385C Cat Vs PC8007 Komatsu

Product Comparison – 385C vs PC800-7
Introduction
Caterpillar Competitive/Comparative
The 385C is the successor of the 385B. The 385C meets the The PC800-7 is the heavy-duty version of the PC750-7. The
EPA Tier III Emission Regulations as standard. The engine PC750-7/PC800-7 are the successor of the PC750-6/PC800-6
horsepower and hydraulic performance are the same as the and were introduced in Japan on June '03. The engine
385B. horsepower, operating weight and bucket capacity are the
same as the former models.
Photo C-01: 385C Overview (CDSCF1536) Photo P-01: PC800-7 Overview (PC800 PDSCF0668)
Product Comparison Section - Machine Configurations
Make Caterpillar KOMATSU
Model 385C PC850-7

Metric Metric English
Heading Unit English Unit Unit Unit Unit
Value Value Value
Boom 8.4 m 27 7 ft in 8.2 m 26 11 ft in
Stick 3.7 m 12 2 ft in 3.6 m 11 10 ft in
Bucket Capacity 3.5 m3 4.58 yd3 3.4 m3 4.45 yd3
Bucket Tip Radius 2150 mm 2883 in 2235 mm 2997 in
Bucket Width 1970 mm 2642 in 1810 mm 2427 in
Service Hours 12.3 hours 293 hours
Undercarriage (Standard/Long) STD STD
Shoe Width 650 mm 872 in 710 mm 952 in
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Performance
Engine Horsepower
• The Cat C18 engine incorporates CAT ACERT • The SAA6D140E3 engine on the PC800-7 uses
Technologies to meet the EPA Tier III Emission Regulations. traditional fuel injection system and does not have the
• The C18 engine features higher engine horsepower by capability to meet EPA Tier III Emission Regulations.
16% and larger displacement by 16% than the SAA6D140E3 • The displacement of the SAA6D104E3 engine is
on the PC800-7. As a result, the Power/Displacement ratio of 15.24liter that is smaller by 16% than the C18 engine.
the C18 engine is 21.55kW/Lit that is smaller by 3% than the
SAA6D140E3.
Photo C-02: SAA6D140E3 Engine (PC800 PDSCF0773)
Photo C-02: C18 Engine (385C CDSCF1929)
Model 385C PC800-7

Metric English Metric English
Heading Unit Unit Unit Unit
Value Value Value Value
Engine Model CAT C18 Komatsu SAA6D140E-3
Type 4 cycle 6 cylinder DITA 4 cycle 6 cylinder DITA
Displacement 18.1 liter 1104.53 in3 15.24 liter 930.002 in3
Rated Speed(rpm) 1800 1800
Rated Power (Rated Output) 390 kW 523 HP 338 kW 453 HP
Max. Torque 254.25 kg-m 1839 ft-lb kg-m 0 ft-lb
Emission Regulations
(Tier-Stage) EPA Tier III EPA Tier II
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Hydraulic System
• The 3-pump system is used on the 385C. This system • The pump arrangement of the PC800-7 is the 2-pump
features excellent simultaneous operation with swing and system which is the same arrangement as for the medium
implement/travel because the swing circuit including the class excavators.
swing pump is completely independent of main pumps for • The PC800-7 uses the pilot operated OLSS
the implement and travel. (Open-Center Load Sensing System) hydraulic system
• The 385C uses electrically controlled PPPC valve which was used to Mid size class excavators long time
system to improve controllability. before.
Photo C-03: Electrically controlled PPPC Valve System Photo P-03: Pilot operated OLSS Hydraulic System (PC800
(prepro 385c_0255) PDSCF0814)
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Hydraulic Pump Flow
• The main pump discharge flow except the swing pump • Because the PC800-7 does not provide the swing pump,
is the 980liter/min which is similar to the PC800-7. the total amount of hydraulic oil flow is 988liter, which is
However, the total amount of the flow including the swing 45% less flow than the 385C.
pump is 1430liter/min, which is 45% more flow than the • The system pressure is 31.4MPa which is 2% lower
PC800-7. than the 385C.
• The 385C uses higher system pressure than the • The system pressure can be increased by activating the
PC800-7. In addition, the Heavy-Lift mode, which increases One-Touch Pressure Up system. Even if activating this
system pressure to 35MPa when activated, is provided to the function, the system pressure is 34.4MPa, which is still
385C to increase lifting capacity. lower than 35MPa.
• Two units of larger capacity hydraulic pumps are used • The main pump consists of four pumps. (Two units in
to the 385C as main pumps. This pump of the simple each pump casing) This complex pump arrangement has risk
arrangement contributes to the improvement in the reliability to decrease the reliability than the 2units on the 385C.
of the 385C.
Photo P-04: Hydraulic Pumps (PC800 PDSCF0736)
Photo C-04: Hydraulic Pumps (385C CDSCF1878)
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Product Comparison Section - Hydraulic Pump Flow
Main Pump
Make Caterpillar
Model
Metric Metric English English Metric Metric English English
Heading
Value Unit Value Unit Value Unit Value Unit
Model Variable Displacement Piston Variable Displacement Piston
Number of Pumps 2 2
Max. Pressure 32000 kPa 4641.28 psi 31400 kPa 4554.26 psi
Max. flow per One Pump 475 L/min 125.48 gal/min 494 L/min 130.50 gal/min
Swing Pump
Make Caterpillar
Model Variable Displacement Piston Not Available
Metric Metric English English Metric Metric English English
Heading
Value Unit Value Unit Value Unit Value Unit
Model Variable Displacement Piston
Number of Pumps 1
Max. Pressure 28700 kPa 4162.65 psi kPa 0.00 psi
Max. flow per One Pump 460 L/min 121.52 gal/min L/min 0.00 gal/min
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Cooling Capability
• The variable speed cooling fan driven by the hydraulic • Fan speed depends on engine speed because the fan is
motor is adapted to the 385C to improve cooling efficiency directly connected to the engine via the fan belt.
and reduce noise. • The radiator, oil cooler and the after cooler are arranged
• The OCS (Oil Cooler Separate) type cooling unit is used in series. This type of the cooling unit is unfavorable in
to the 385C. This layout features better cooling efficiency accessing the cooling core.
and better clean-ability of the cooling unit.
Photo C-05: OCS Type Cooling Unit (Pripro 385c_0212)
Photo P-05: Tandem layout Cooling Unit (PC800

PDSCF0761)
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Boom Cylinder Position
The rod end of the boom cylinder is positioned to the boom The rod end of the boom cylinder is positioned to the boom
side. side.
Photo C-06: 385C Boom Cylinder (385C CDSCF1645) Photo P-06: PC800-7 Boom Cylinder (PC800 PDSCF0843)
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Styling
Photo C-09: Front View (385C CDSCF1536) Photo P-09: Front View (PC800 DSCF4544)
Photo C-10: Right View (385C CDSCF1529) Photo P-10: Right View (PC800 PDSCF0677)
Photo C-11: Rear View (385C CDSCF1527) Photo P-11: Rear View (PC800 PDSCF0680)
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Photo C-12: Left View (385C CSDCF1539) Photo P-12: Left View (PC800 PDSCF0670)
Appearance
• The cab which is newly designed for future models is • The stripes on the left side panel and the cab are differed
adopted. from the former model.
• Large “CAT” logo is placed on the counterweight
Photo C-13: New Cab for next generation excavators (385C Photo P-13: Newly designed Cab (PC800 PDSCF0979)
CDSCF1554)
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Photo C-14: Cat Logo on the Counterweight (385C Photo P-14: Black Strips for -7 Series (PC800 PDSCF0727)
CDSCF1618)
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Versatility
Vehicle Configurations
Various configurations are provided to the 385C to meet the The PC800-7 does not offer the front linkage for Deep
wide variety of the applications with highest efficiency. Trenching. Also, the PC800-7 provides fewer variations of
Especially, the Reach boom (10m) is a unique front linkage the sticks.
to make Deep Trenching possible.
Vehicle: Backhoe, Front Shovel
Vehicle: Backhoe(385C), Front Shovel(385CFS)
U/C: STD LC
U/C: STD, LC
Boom: Reach(10m), GP(8.4m), Mass(7.25m) Boom: 8.2m, 7.1m
Stick: R5.5, R4.4, GP3.7, GP3.4, GP2.92, M3.4, M2.92 Stick: 3.6m, 4.6m, 5.6m 2.9m
C/W: 11.6ton, 14ton C/W: 9.8ton, 12ton
Photo C-15: Front Linkage (385C CDSCF1545) Photo P-15: Front Linkage (PC800 DSCF4634)
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Stackable Valves
The stackable valve function which is provided to the Mid The PC800-7 also does not provide the stackable valve
series excavators is not provided to the 385C. However, one function.
auxiliary valve is standard for the 385C.
Photo P-16: Main Control Valve (PC800 PDSCF0814)
Photo C-16: Main Control Valve (Prepro 385c_0256)
Boom and Stick

The operators/customers can select optimum booms length Less front linkage variations than the 385C are provided for
and stick length to provide maximum performance from the PC750-7/PC800-7. Even if the combination of longest
combination of three booms and seven sticks. Especially, the boom and longest stick, the maximum digging depth is less
combination of the Reach boom and the R5.5 stick make than 11m.
deep trenching over 11m possible.
Boom: 8.2m, 7.1m
Boom: Reach(10m), GP(8.4m), Mass(7.25m) Stick: 3.6m, 4.6m, 5.6m 2.9m
Stick: R5.5, R4.4, GP3.7, GP3.4, GP2.92, M3.4, M2.92
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Auxiliary Hydraulics
Full range of the versatility is provided to the booms and The booms and sticks do not have the provision of installing
stick as standard. All booms and sticks have the provision of hydraulic liens as standard. Also the front linkage which has
installing high pressure lines, medium pressure lines, drain the capability to installing auxiliary lines is not provided as
lines and coupler lines. Because the bosses to install various an attachment. If the hammer line is required welding the
lines are provided in advance, field installation can be bosses to the front linkage in the field is required.
accomplished with less down-time and at low cost.
Photo P-17: Stick without capability to install Auxiliary

Lines (PC800 PDSCF0853)
Photo C-17: Bosses to install Auxiliary Lines (385C
CDSCF1660)
Auxiliary Pump
The 385C has the capability to installing the auxiliary pump It is unclear if the auxiliary pump can be installed.
as standard.
Photo C18: Capability to install Auxiliary Pump (CD

CDSF3171) Photo P18: Main pumps (PC800 PDSCF0736)
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Ease of Operation
Cab Layout
• The switches and selectors which are frequently used are • The switches are located to the right console, left console
centralized to the right of the operator. The operator can and on the monitor panel. The operator needs to stoop to
easily access to the switches and selectors without access the switches on the monitor panel.
stooping. • Because of the wider monitor, there is risk that the knee
• Wider clearance between the seat and the footrest present interferes with the monitor.
the comfortable foot space to the operator.
• Narrower monitor prevents the interference with the knee.
Photo P-19: Switches on Monitor (PC800 PDSCF1012)

Photo C-19: Right side Switches Panel (prepro 385c_0382)
Photo P-20: Switches on Left Console (PC800 PDSCF1016)
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Photo P-21: Switches on Right Console (PC800
PDSCF1020)
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Monitor
• The monitor enclosure is compact so that it does not • The monitor cannot adjust its angle due to no tilt
obstruct front visibility. However, wide area of the monitor mechanism.
screen presents excellent visibility to the operator. • Because of the striking keypad color, monitor screen is
• The monitor can be adjusted so that the monitor screen hard to see.
faces to the operator by tilting the monitor. The tilt • Frequently used switches such as travel speed and wiper
mechanism can also be used to prevent the reflection of the are on the monitor. The operator needs to stoop to perate
unnecessary light. these switches.
• The keypad is equipped with a cover and also the
display screen is simple, which helps prevent the operator
from misleading.
Photo C-22: Monitor Overview (385C CDSCF1734) Photo P-22: Monitor Overview (PC800 PDSCF1012)
Photo C-23: Monitor Tilting Mechanism (385C Photo P-23: No tilting mechanism (PC800 PDSCF1060)
CDSCF1771)
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Monitor Display
• The monitor screen is a full graphic dot matrix display • The display screen is a full graphic dot matrix display
screen and has larger display area with 70mm in width screen which is the same as the 385C. But the screen is
and 125mm in length. smaller than that of the 385C with 77mm in width and
• The screen is easy to see due to high contrast and 55mm in length.
simple screen because the background is black. • The background of the screen is brightened. This causes
low contrast and unclear display screen. Especially, it
cannot read under direct sun light.
Photo C-24: Display Screen (385C CDSCF2050)

Photo P-24: Display Screen (PC800 PDSCF1015)
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Monitor Language Display
• The monitor has a capability to show the information • Because the monitor on the PC800-7 does not have the
with the language. One of 27 languages can be selected capability to display the language, warning information
through the monitor functions. is displayed only by icons. But, the icons which are not
• Warning information is shown with both of the icon and familiar for the operator have risk of misunderstanding.
the language. This helps the operator intuitive understanding
and to preventing misunderstanding.
Photo C-25: Language display capability (320D PICT0086) Photo P-25: Warning information by Icon (PC450-7
P05239)
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Information Display
• With the default screen, the display is very simple • The default screen is complex because the switches
because the machine status is only displayed on the screen. status is displayed on the screen in addition to the
• When abnormality is occurred, the warning information machine status.
window is displayed on the default screen. If the • When abnormality is occurred, the icon is displayed on
abnormality is urgent, the master lamp will be blinked and the default screen. The monitor has the alarm function,
alarm will be also activated, so that the operator can notice but does not have the master lamp. It has the possibility
the urgency immediately. to miss alarm sound in a noisy environment. As a
result, there is risk that the operator does not notice the
urgency.
Photo C-26: Default Screen (385C CDSCF2050) Photo P-26: Default Screen (PC450-7 P05258)
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Work Mode
Because of following reasons, the work mode is not The PC800-7 does not provide the Work Mode.
necessary to the 385C.
The 3-pump system adapted to the 385C provides

independent swing circuit from the implement. The discharge
flow from the swing pump depends on swing lever stroke.
This means that the swing priority is varied by the swing
lever stroke. And this is the same function as the automatic
priority function which is adapted to the Mid size class
excavators.
Photo C-27: 3 pump System on 385C (385C CDSCF1884)
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Joystick
• The 385C uses the electrically operated joysticks. • The joystick is the pilot operated type.
• Because the height adjustment mechanism and a tilt • The armrest provides the tilt mechanism, but does not
mechanism are provided to the armrest, the operator can provide the height adjustment mechanism, which can
adjust the relative relationship between the joysticks and the cause uncomfortable posture. In addition, the armrest is
armrest so that the operator can operate the joysticks in a installed to the backrest of the seat. Changing the
comfortable posture. reclining angle of the seatback changes the relative
relationship between the joysticks and the armrest.
Photo C-28: Electrical Joystick with Height Adjustable Photo P-28: Pilot Operated Joystick (PC800 PDSCF1005)
Armrest (385C CDSCF1816)
Photo P-29: Armrest (PC800 PDSCF1035)
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Cab Accessories
Drink Holder Drink Holder
The drink holder is positioned on the right front of the cab. Because the drink holder is situated behind the seat, it is hard
just under the monitor. This position allows the operator to fro the operator to access. This position is not practical.
access the drink easily.
Photo C-30: Drink Holder (385C CDSCF1736) Photo P-30: Drink Holder (PC800 PDSCF1042)
Accumulated Hour Meter Accumulated Hour Meter
The accumulated hour meter is located under the monitor, Accumulated hour is indicated only on the monitor.
allowing for confirming it from outside of the cab. In Confirming the accumulated hours is required to turn the
addition, the accumulated hour meter can be displayed on the power on.
monitor.
Photo P-31: Accumulated Hour Meter displayed on the

Photo C-31: Accumulated Hour Meter (385C CDSCF1742) Monitor (PC800 PDSCF1015)
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Skylight
• The wider skylight of 780mm in width and 445mm in • The dimensions of the skylight are 700mm in width and
length is provided to the 385C. 490mm in length.
• Because the head guard is installed on the cab, the fixed • The skylight is fixed type. The sliding sunshade is
type skylight is provided to this vehicle. provided to the skylight, but does not provide the
• The retractable sunshade provided to the 385C can sunshade to the front windshield.
cover not only the skylight, but also upper-half of the front
windshield.
Photo P-32: Fixed type Skylight with sunshade (PC800

Photo C-32: Fixed type Skylight with Sunshade (385C PDSCF1056)
CDSCF1578)
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Visibility
Upper Visibility Upper Visibility
• The wider skylight of 780mm in width and 445mm in The upper-front visibility is obstructed because there is a
length provide broad upper visibility to the operator. upper-front pillar to the cab.
• Because there is not the upper-front pillar, the cab
provides excellent upper-front visibility with no
obstacle.
Photo C-33: Upper Visibility (385C CDSCF1576) Photo P-33: Upper Visibility (PC800 PDSCF1056)
Wiper Sweep Area Wiper Sweep Area
• Longest wiper blade, which is moved parallelogram, is • The wiper blade of the upper wiper is 550mm in length,
provided to the 385C. and sweep area is 0.396m3 or only 38% of the front
• The width of the wiper is 1220mm, and sweep area is windshield can be swept by the upper wiper.
0.83m3 or this wider wiper can sweep 79% of the front • The lower wiper is not provided to the PC800-7.
windshield.
• Therefore, the lower wiper does not require to the 385C.
Photo C-34: Parallel Wiper (385C CDSCF1559) Photo P-34: Single wiper (PC800 PDSCF1002)
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Front Windshield
• The front windshield is made by the Laminated Glass • The front windshield is made by the Laminated Glass
that prevents the scattering of pieces when the glass is which is the same as the 385C.
broken. • The PC800-7 also uses the one-piece front windshield.
• The One-Piece front windshield of 805mm in width and But the dimensions are 732mm in width and 1410mm in
1440mm in height is used to improve front visibility with no height which are smaller than the 385C.
center pillar.
Photo C-35: Front windshield (385C CDSCF1567) Photo P-35: Front Windshield (PC800 PDSCF0984)
Right Side Window

The right side window is the one-piece type and is made by The right side window is the one-piece type and is made by
the tempered glass the tempered glass.
Photo C-36: Right Side Window (385C CDSCF1575) Photo P-36: Right Side Window (PC800 PDSCF0997)
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Left Side Window
The left side window is the fixed type and is installed on the The left side window is the fixed type and is installed on the
cab with adhesive. cab with adhesive.
Photo C-37: Fixed type Left Rear Window (385C Photo P-37: Fixed type Left Rear Window (PC800
CDSCF1572) PDSCF0990)
Rear Window
The hammer for emergency exit is provided to the rear The emergency escape mechanism is included into the rear
window. window.
Photo C-38: Hammer for Emergency Exit (385C Photo P-38: Rear window with Emergency Exit (PC800
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Door
• The door is mounted to the cab shell with two door • The door is mounted to the cab shell with two door
hinges. The upper door window is slide-able and can lock at hinges. The upper door window is slide-able and can
the closed position. The lower window is fixed type. lock at the closed position. The lower window is fixed
• Two releasing latches are provided to the door. One type.
releasing latch is for the operator who sat on the seat. And • The door provides only one releasing latch. The
another one is provided to release the door from behind the operator cannot release and close the door from the
cab or this release latch allows the operator to release the catwalk.
door from the catwalk.
Photo C-39: Door (385C CDSCF1557)

Photo P-39: Door (PC800 PDCSF1003)
Photo C-40: Door Release Knob behind the cab (385C

CDSCF1591) Photo P-41: Door Release Knob in the cab (PC800
PDSCF1029)
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Photo C-41: Door Release Knob in the cab (385C
CDSCF1590)
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Hydraulic Actuation Lever
• When the hydraulic actuation lever is in Lock position, • When the hydraulic actuation lever is in Lock position,
the joysticks and travel levers are inactivated. the joysticks and travel levers are inactivated.
• When the hydraulic actuation lever is in Unlock When the hydraulic actuation lever is in Unlock position, the
position, the engine is not cranked. engine is not cranked.
Photo C-42: Hydraulic Actuation Lever (Lock Position) Photo P-42: Hydraulic Actuation Lever (Lock Position)
(385C CDSCF1821) (PC800 PDSCF0995)
Photo C-43: Hydraulic Actuation Lever (Unlock Position) Photo P-43: Hydraulic Actuation Lever (Unlock Position)
(385C CDSCF1822) (PC800 PDSCF0996)
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Operator Comfort
Seat
The 385C offers wide variety of the seats and suspensions The low back seat with mechanical suspension is only
shown below: available to the PC800-7. No more seat and suspension
1. Seat: Low back seat, High back seat, High back seat variety to the PC800-7.
with seat heater
2. Suspension: Mechanical suspension, Air suspension
Photo C-44: Seat (385C CDSCF1825) Photo P-44: Seat (PC800 PDSCF1388)
Armrest
• The armrest is with the height adjustment mechanism • The armrest is with the tilt mechanism, but not with the
and tilt mechanism. height adjustment mechanism.
• The armrest is mounted to the console, not to the seat. • The armrest is mounted to the seatback, not on the
This location has the advantage to maintaining the relative console. Adjusting the seatback changes the relative
relationship between the joystick and the armrest even when relationship between the joystick and the armrest.
reclining the seat.
Photo C-45: Armrest (385C CDSCF1813) Photo P-45: Armrest (PC800 PDSCF1035)
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Console
• The 385C uses the integrated seat and console. The • The console can be adjusted along with the seat.
operator can adjust the seat position with maintaining the • The suspension is mounted between the console and the
relative position with the joysticks. seat. Because the console is mounted to the cab floor
• Both of the console and the seat are mounted to the cab without the suspension, the vibration from the cab floor
floor via the suspension. This type of design attenuates the is directly transmitted to the consoles/joysticks.
vibration transmitted from the cab floor to the console and
seat.
Photo C-46: Integrated Seat and Console (385C Photo P-46: Integrated Seat and Console (PC800
Climate Control
• Full automatic positive ventilation climate control is • Full automatic positive ventilation climate control is
used to the 385C. used to the PC800-7.
• Four air outlets are provided. • Four air outlets are provided.
• The climate control panel is located on the right • The climate control panel is located on the left console.
console. This layout has the risk of water damage from
rain/snow if the excavator is operated with the door
open.
Photo C-47: Climate Control Panel (385C CDSCF1781)

Photo P-47: Climate Control Panel (PC800 PDSCF1061)
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Storage
Two storage spaces for the small articles such as a pencil and The storage space for the small articles is not provided to the
a cellular phone are provided. One storage space is situated PC800-7. But, there is Hot & Cool box behind the seat.
on the left console just under the armrest and another one is
positioned rear on the right console.
Photo C-48: Storage Space on Left Console (385C

CDSCF1773) Photo P-48: Hot & Cool Box (PC800 PDSCF1045)
Photo C-49: Storage space on Right Console (385C

CDSCF1749)
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Lunch Box
• A large capacity of the lunch box, which dimensions are • Smaller lunch box which dimensions are 410mm in
475mm in width, 485mm in length and 240mm in depth width, 255mm in height and 280mm in depth is provided to
is provided. the PC800-7.
• The lid is also provided as an attachment. • The lid is not provided.
Photo P-50: Lunch Box without cover (PC800

Photo C-50: Lunch Box without Cover (385C PDSCF1057)
CDSCF1762)
Photo C-51: Lunch box with Lid Cover (325D

100PENTAX IMGP1508)
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Durability
Cab Shell
The bolt-on FOGS can be installed to the cab without any The bolt-on FOGS can be installed to the cab without any
modifications. modifications.
Photo C-52: Cab with Head Guard (385C CDSCF1824) Photo P-52: Cab with Head Guard (PC800 PDSCF1386)
Track Frame
• The track frame is bolted to the carbody with 11 • The track frame is bolted to the carbody with 10
units/leg of M36 bolts. units/leg of the M36 bolts.
• The track frame is made by pressing the steel plate of • The track frame is made by pressing the steel plate of
the thickness of 18.5mm and is the box construction. the thickness of 22mm and is the box construction.
This design provides excellent rigidity against bending • The dimensions of the track frame are 435mm in height
stress and twisting stress. and 575mm in width.
• The dimensions of the track frame are 475mm in height
and 670mm in width, which are 21% larger cross
section area than the PC800-7.
Photo C-53: Track Frame (385C CDSCF0072) Photo P-53: Track Frame (PC800DSCF4571)
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Sprocket
• The sprocket has 23 teeth. The diameter is 952mm. • The sprocket has 23 teeth. The diameter is 952mm.
• The sprocket is bolted to the final drive with 28 units of • The sprocket is bolted to the final drive with 25 units of
the M30 bolts. the M24 bolts.
Photo C-54: Sprocket (385C CDSCF0079) Photo P-54: Sprocket (PC800 PDSCF0044)
Track Link
• The link pitch is 260mm which is the same as the • The link pitch is 260mm which is the same as the 385C.
PC800-7. • But, link width is 65mm and does not provide the strut
• The link on the 385C is more durable than the PC800-7. to the link.
Because link width is 74mm which is wider than the • It is unclear if the lubricated track link is used to the
PC800-7, and the link is reinforced by the strut. PC800-7.
• The GLT-4 lubricated track link by which its life is
dramatically extended is used to the 385C.
Photo C-55: Track Link (385C CDSCF0075) Photo P-55: Track Link (PC800 PDSCF0041)
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Product Comparison Section - Link Dimensions
Make Caterpillar Komatsu

Model 385C PC800-7
English English
Heading Metric Value Unit Unit Metric Value Unit Unit
Value Value
Lin Pitch 260 mm 10.24 in 260 mm 10.24 in
Link Height 155.1 mm 6.11 in 155 mm 6.10 in
Link Width 73.9 mm 2.91 in 65 mm 2.56 in
Link Pin Diameter 55 mm 2.17 in 55 mm 2.17 in
Link Pin Bushing Diameter 85 mm 3.35 in 90 mm 3.54 in
Piping for Travel Motors

The travel motor piping is protected by the cover from the The travel motor piping is protected by the cover from the
damage. damage.
Photo C-56: Piping for Travel Motor (385C CDSCF1511) Photo P-56: Piping for Travel Motor (PC800 DSCF4600)
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Carbody
• Using the thicker plates to the vertical plates (center and • The PC800-7 uses thinner plates to the vertical plates.
leg) are the feature of the 385C carbody. • The upper plate is made of two pieces of the steel
• The lower plate thickness is 41.2mm which is slightly plates. (45mm for leg part and 65mm for center part). Two
thicker than the PC800-7. pieces of the plates are welded at the root of the leg. This
• The upper plate is made of the one piece of the steel design has risk to concentrate the stress to the welding
plate. This design allows the carbody to transmitting the portion.
stress from the upper structure to the track frame/ground,
smoothly.
Photo C-57: Carbody (385C CDSCF0086) Photo P-57: Carbody (PC800 DSCF4628)
Product Comparison Section - Carbody Dimensions
Make Caterpillar
Model
Top Plate(Leg) 45.1 mm 1.78 in 45 mm 1.77 in
Top Plate(Center) 45.1 mm 1.78 in 65 mm 2.56 in
Vertical Plate(Center) 50.6 mm 1.99 in 36 mm 1.42 in
Vertical Plate(Leg) 45.3 mm 1.78 in 32.2 mm 1.27 in
Bottom Plate 41.2 mm 1.62 in 40 mm 1.57 in
Carbody Height 475 mm 18.70 in 502 mm 19.76 in
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Swing Frame
• The main rails are the box construction for whole • The front half of the main rails are the box construction,
length. but “T” shape steels are used to the rear half of the main
• Tow main rails are integrated with one thicker lower rails.
plate by welding. Then, this integrated structure is as one, • The designs of the swing frame and the skirt are the
and becomes the primary structure of the swing frame. This same as the 385C.
design has the advantage to increasing the rigidity of the • Following is the plate thickness of the primary
swing frame. structure:
• The skirt is also the box construction to increase the
strength of the swing frame
• Following is the plate thickness of the primary
structure:
Photo C-58: Swing Frame (385C CDSCF1659) Photo P-58: Swing Frame (PC800 PDSCF037)
Skirt Plate mm 5.2 Skirt Plate mm 4.8

Skirt Height mm 300 Skirt Height mm 300
Turn Table Plate mm 41.2 Turn Table Plate Thickness mm 45.5
Thickness(Front) (Front)
Turn Table Plate Thickness mm 25.5 Turn Table Plate Thickness mm 27.9
(Rear) (Rear)
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Main Beam
• The main rails are the box construction for whole • The front half of the main rails are the box construction,
length. but “T” shape steels are used to the rear half of the main
• Two main rails are integrated with the steel pipe to rails.
increase rigidity. The dimension of the pipe is 302mm in • Two main rails are connected by the cross plate.
diameter and the plate thickness is 25.4mm. • Following is the plate thickness of the main rails:
• Following is the plate thickness of the main rails:
Photo P-59: Main Beam (PC800 PDSCF037)

Photo C-59: Main Beam (385C CDSCF1659)
Front Half (Box Construction) Front Half (Box Construction)
Vertical Plates mm 30.5+30.7 Vertical Plates mm 25.1+27.6

Horizontal Plate mm 31.3 Horizontal Plate mm 51
Width of Box Construction mm 272 Width of Box Construction mm 275
Rear Half (Box Construction) Rear Half (I Channel Construction)
Vertical Plates mm 20.4+20.2 Vertical Plates mm 24

Horizontal Plate mm 31.4 Horizontal Plate mm 51.2
Width of Box Construction mm 272 Width of Horizontal Plate mm 275
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Swing Bearing
• The dimensions of the outer race are 1952mm in • The dimensions of the outer race are 1981mm in
diameter and 165mm in height. diameter and 150mm in height.
• The outer race is bolted to the swing frame with 48units • The diameter is close with the 385C, but the height is
of the M30 bolt. Comparing with the PC800-7, the bolt size 10mm or 10% less than the 385C. The outer race is bolted to
is the same, but more bolts are used to the 385C. the swing frame with 44units of the M30 bolt.
• The dimension of the inner race is 1752mm in diameter • The dimension of the inner race is 1809mm.
which is 57mm smaller than the PC800-7. However, this • It is unclear if the cross roller bearing is used to the
means that the 385C uses more thicker outer race. In fact, swing bearing.
the thickness of the outer race on the 385C is 100mm though
the PC800-7 is only 86mm.
• In addition, the cross roller bearing is used to the 385C.
The cross roller bearing features longer life than the ball
bearing because the roller touches the inner race and the
outer race with lines, not points.
Photo C-60: Swing Bearing (385C CDSCF0089) Photo P-60: Swing Bearing (PC800 PDSCF0050)
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Clearance Between Track and Upper Frame
The clearance between shoe lug and the skirt is 195mm. The clearance between shoe lug and the skirt is 166mm.
Photo C-61: Clearance between Track and Upper Frame Photo P-61: Clearance between Track and Upper Frame
(385C CDSCF0092) (PC800 PDSCF0705)
Weld Length
The track frame is bolted on the carbody with 11 M36 bolts. The track frame is bolted on the carbody with 10 M36 bolts.
Photo P-62: Bolted Joint Track Frame (PC800 DSCF4581)

Photo C-62: Bolted Joint Track Frame (385C CDSCF1504)
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Stick
• The stick is designed to use thinner plates with larger • It is estimated that the stick on the PC800-7 is heavier
cross section area. This design allows the stick to reduce its than the 385C. Because the casting material is used to the
weight while maintaining the strength. stick nose and thicker plates are used.
• The 385C uses one stick cylinder though the PC800-7 • The cross section area is smaller by 13% than the 385C.
uses two stick cylinders. This design also helps to lower the • Two stick cylinders are used to the tested vehicle
stick weight (PC750-7 uses one stick cylinder). This design has risk to
• Even if the 385C uses one stick cylinder, cylinder increasing its weight because of heavier cylinder weight and
power (thrust x stroke) is larger than two stick cylinders on larger cylinder bosses.
the PC800-7 because of the larger dimensions of the stick • Though the PC800-7 uses two stick cylinders, the thrust
cylinder. cylinder power (thrust x stroke) of two cylinders is lower
than one stick cylinder on the 385C.
Stick Dimensions Stick Dimensions

Upper Plate Front mm 16.1 Upper Plate Front mm 19.0
Thickness Rear mm 30 Thickness Rear mm (One Piece)
Side Plate Front mm 30.4 Side Plate Front mm 32.0
Thickness Middle mm 14.2 Thickness Middle mm 18.9
Rear mm 22.8 Rear mm 44.8
Lower Plate Thickness mm 22.5 Lower Plate Thickness mm 28.0
Cross Section Width mm 496 Cross Section Width mm 480
Cross Section Height mm 770 Cross Section Height mm 690
Cross Section Area m3 0.3819 Cross Section Area m3 0.3312
Stick Cylinder Dimensions Stick Cylinder Dimensions

Bore mm 220 Bore mm 185
Rod Diameter mm 150 Rod Diameter mm 120
Stroke m 2.262 Stroke m 1.61
Hyd. Pressure MPa 32 Hyd. Pressure MPa 31.4
Thrust x Stroke ton-m/1 unit 284 Thrust x Stroke ton-m/2 units 277
(Cyl. Extended) (Cyl. Extended)
Thrust x Stroke ton-m/1 unit 152 Thrust x Stroke ton-m/2 units 117
(Cyl. Retracted) (Cyl. Retracted)
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Photo C-63: Stick (385C CDSCF1636) Photo P-63: Stick (PC800 DSCF4635)
Photo C-64: Stick Cylinder (385C CDSCF1652) Photo p-64: Stick Cylinders (PC800 PDSCF0863)
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Boom
• The boom is designed to use thinner plates with larger

cross section area. This design allows the boom to reduce its • Each of the upper plate, lower plate and side plate
weight while maintaining the strength. consists of one piece. With this design, the plate thickness is
• Each of the upper plate, lower plate and side plate decided to meet maximum stress portion. As a result, the
consist of three pieces to reduce boom weight while boom constructed with one place is heavier than the boom
maintaining strength because various plate thickness can be constructed with three pieces.
selected to meet various stress. • In addition, the forged boom-nose and the bracket that
• The boom nose is made with the fabricated material to install two stick-cylinders are the causes to increase the boom
reduce boom weight. weight.
Photo C-65: Boom (385C CDSCF1545)
Photo P-65: Boom (PC800 DSCF4634)
Boom Dimensions Boom Dimensions

Upper Plate Front mm 16.3 Upper Plate Front mm 25.0
Thickness Middle mm 25.1 Thickness Middle mm (One
Rear 30.4 Rear Piece)
Side Plate Front mm 18.2 Side Plate Front mm 25.2
Thickness Middle mm 25.3 Thickness Middle mm 27.8
Rear mm 29.2 Rear mm (One
Lower Plate Front mm 22.2 Piece)
Thickness Middle mm 22.3 Lower Plate Front mm 24.5
Rear mm 24.8 Thickness Middle mm (One
Cross Section Width mm 660 Rear mm Piece)
Cross Section Height mm 1170 Cross Section Width mm 664
Cross Section Area m3 0.7722 Cross Section Height mm 1265
Cross Section Area m3 0.84
Boom Cylinder Dimensions
Bore mm 210 Boom Cylinder Dimensions
Rod Diameter mm 145 Bore mm 200
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Stroke m 1.967 Rod Diameter mm 140
Hyd. Pressure MPa 32 Stroke m 1.95
Thrust x Stroke ton-m/2 units 444 Hyd. Pressure MPa 31.4
(Cyl. Extended) Thrust x Stroke (Cyl. Extended) ton-m/2 392
Thrust x Stroke ton-m/2 units 233 units
(Cyl. Retracted) Thrust x Stroke (Cyl. Retracted) ton-m/2 200
units
Boom Cross Section

The boom cross section area is 0.7722m3. The boom cross section area is 0.84m3.
Photo C-66: Boom (385C CDSCF1545) Photo P-66: Boom (PC800 DSCF4634)
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Boom Foot
• The boom widens smoothly toward the boom foot. This • The boom foot width is 1140mm which is narrower than
design allows the load to be smoothly transmitted to the the 385C. The PC800-7 also uses smaller boom foot pin
boom foot without concentration of the load. which is 140mm in diameter.
• The boom foot width is 1240mm and the boom foot pin
is 150mm in diameter which are larger than the PC800-7,
improving the durability.
Photo P-67: Boom Foot (PC800 PDSCF023)
Photo C-67: Boom Foot (385C CDSCF1658)
Boom Lights
• Dual lights are situated to both side of the boom. • Single light is situated to both side of the boom.
• Also, storage box mounted light and cab lights are • The storage box mounted light and cab lights are
provided. In addition, the frame mounted working light is provided. But, the light under the cab is not provided to the
situated under the cab. PC800-7.
Photo C-68: Boom Lights (385C CDSCF1565) Photo P-68: Boom Light (PC800 PDSCF0885)
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Photo C-69: Boom Lights (385C CDSCF1566) Photo P-69: Boom Light (PC800 PDSCF0888)
Bottom Guarding
• Whole area of the bottom of the upper structure is The bottom guards are not provided under the control valve
completely protected with the bottom guards. and the fuel tank.
• The 385C uses thicker bottom guards than the PC800-7.
Photo P-71: Bottom Guards (PC800 DSCF4606)

Photo C-71: Bottom Guards (385C CDSCF1728)
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Product Comparison Section - Bottom Guarding
Make Caterpillar Compared To

Model Machine Model # Machine Model #
Below Radiator 5.2 mm 0.20 in 3.2 mm 0.13 in
Below Oil Cooler mm 0.00 in mm 0.00 in
Below Engine 4.3 mm 0.17 in 4.1 mm 0.16 in
Below Control Valves 5.3 mm 0.21 in No Covermm ######## in
Below Pump 5.3 mm 0.21 in 3.2 mm 0.13 in
Below Fuel Tank 3.4 mm 0.13 in No Covermm ######## in
Below Hydraulic Oil Tank 5.3 mm 0.21 in 3.1 mm 0.12 in
Below Swivel Joint 5.5 mm 0.22 in 19.3 mm 0.76 in
Travel Motor Projection

• With equipping the 650mm shoe, the projection of the • With equipping the 710mm shoe, the projection of the
travel motor cover is 155mm for upper part and 112mm for travel motor cover is 75mm. But, the projection of the travel
lower part from the shoe width. piping cover on the travel motor is 200mm. If the PC800-7
• The final drive does not project from the shoe width. equips the 650mm shoe which is the same width as the
385C, the projections are 105mm and 230mm, respectively.
More projection than the 385C increases risk of damages. .
• The final drive does not project from the shoe width.
Photo C-72: Travel Motor Projection (385C CDSCF1508) Photo P-72: Travel Motor Projection (PC800 PDSCF0714)
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Photo C-73: Final Drive Projection (385C CDSCF1510) Photo P-73: Final Drive Projection (PC800 PDSCF0716)
Wire Harness Protection

The wire harnesses are protected with the Yellow Blade. The • The knitted type wire harness protection is used only for
Yellow Blade has a resistance to wear and excels in drainage bare engine.
of the wire harness. The Yellow Blade is also used in the • Wire harnesses in other area are protected with the
engine compartment because of its excellent heat-resistance. corrugate tubes. The corrugate tube is weak to heat and has
no drainage.
Photo C-74: Yellow Blade (385C CDSCF1986) Photo P-74: Wire Harness on Engine Protection (PC800
PDSCF0403)
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Photo P-75: Wire Harness Protection except engine (PC800
PDSCF0401)
Hose Clamp
The hoses for the air, coolant and hydraulic system are The single spring clamp is used for the coolant. But, the
fastened with two spring clams to prevent leakage in the long clamp without spring is used to the hydraulic system and air
time. system.
Photo C-76: Hose Clamp for Hydraulic System (385C Photo P-76: Hose Clamp for Hydraulic System (PC800
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Photo C-77: Hose Clamp for Air System (385C Photo P-77: Hose Clamp for Air System (PC800
Serviceability
Easy to Troubleshoot
Pressure Taps Pressure Taps

Because the pressure taps are provided on the hydraulic Four pressure taps are provided to the delivery lines. But,
system, the hydraulic pressure can be measured without there is no pressure tap to other lines, such as regulator and
disconnecting the hydraulic hoses. The pressure tap also pilot.
reduces time and prevents oil spillage when pressure
measurement.
Photo C-78: Pressure Tap (prepro 385c_0186)
E.T Connectors ET Connector

The 385C provides three E.T connectors, in the cab, on the The PC800-7 does not have the capability to connect the
relay panel and in the engine compartment. diagnostic tool. When diagnosis is required, disconnecting
The E.T connectors make the diagnosis without the connector and inserting the dummy tool are required.
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disconnecting the connectors possible. The ET connectors are
also used for updating the controller.
Photo C-79: ET Connector on Relay Panel (385C

CDSCF1837)
Photo C-80: ET Connector in Engine Compartment (385C

CDSCF1962)
Photo C-81: ET Connector in the Cab (Prepro 385c_0412)
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Hydraulic System
Centralized Maintenance
• The maintenance platform is provided on the upper • The maintenance platform does not provide to the
structure. Most of the maintenance points on the upper PC800-7.
structure can access from the maintenance platform and • Because servicing should be accomplished from the
catwalks. upper deck, some of the maintenance points are situated
• Because most of maintenance points are situated above under the service floor.
from the service floor, the service person can access the
maintenance point without having uncomfortable posture.
Photo C-82: Service Platform (385C CDSCF1857) Photo P-82: No walk way on the upper deck (PC800
PDSCF0770)
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Monitor Service Features
• The monitor has the capability to memorize and display • The monitor has the capability to memorize and display
the replacement interval for twelve kinds of filters and fluids, the replacement interval for ten kinds of filters and fluids by
in language. icon. But, some icons are hard to understand due to not
• In addition, the monitor has the capability to familiar.
memorize/display the accumulated working hours for engine, • The monitor does not provide the capability to
pump, travel motor and tools. This information will be useful memorize/display the accumulated working hours of major
for preventive maintenance. components.
Photo C-83: Maintenance information (Japanese) (385C Photo P-83: Maintenance Information (PC450-7 P05255)
CDSCF2029)
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Swing Motor Accessibility
• Level check and refilling of the swing reduction oil can • The access methods of the level check, refilling and
be accomplished from the upper deck. draining of the swing reduction oil are the same as the 385C.
• Because the 385C uses two swing motors, the draining • Because the drain cock is not provided to the drain port,
can be accomplished from the boom foot and under the wrench is required when draining the oil.
machine. The drain cock is provided to drain the oil without
tools.
Photo C-84: Swing Reduction Gear Oil Drain Cock (385C

CDSCF1917) Photo P-84: Swing Reduction Gear Oil Drain Plug (PC800
PDSCF0769)
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Swing Gear Lubrication
The swing gear inspection hole is situated in the battery The swing gear inspection hole is located in the toolbox.
compartment. And operator can access the inspection hole by However, accessing the inspection hole is hard because of
lining his belly on the battery narrow open area.
Photo C-85: Swing Gear Inspection Hole (385C 183NIKON Photo P-85: Swing Gear Inspection Hole (PC800
DSCN0351) PDSCF0417)
Service Intervals
• In general, the 385C features longer maintenance • The PC800-7 requires daily greasing to the front linkage.
intervals than the PC800-7. • Change interval of the coolant is unclear
• The 385C does not require greasing daily or 10 hours • The PC800-7 requires level check and oil change of the
intervals. PTO Case Oil.
Photo P-86: Level Check Gauge for PTO Case Oil
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Product Comparison Section - Service Intervals
Make Caterpillar
Model
Heading Hours Hours
Front Pin Greasing - Bucket Linkage 50 10
Front Pin Greasing - Other Pins 50 10
Swing Bearing 250 100
Greasing Swing Gear 2000 2000
Engine Oil 500 500
Coolant 3000 Unclear
Hydraulic Oil 5000 5000
Swing Drive Oil 1000 1000
Final Drive Oil 2000 2000
Fluid change PTO Case Oil No Required 1000
Engine Oil Filter 500 500
Hydraulic Return Filter 1000 1000
Hydraulic Pilot Filter 1000 500
Hydraulic Pump Drain Filter 1000 Not Available
Hydraulic Motor Drain Filter 1000 500
Hydrauilc Tank Breather Filter Element
Not Available 1000
Fine filtration Filter 500 Not Available
Fuel Filter - Primary 250 Not Available
Filter change Fuel Filter - Secondary 500 500
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Maintenance of Cooling Package
• The OCS (Oil Cooler Separate) Cooling unit is used to • Accessing the cooling core is hard because the radiator,
the 385C. oil cooler and after-cooler are arranged in series.
• Because the oil cooler is independent from the radiator, • The radiator screen is provided. But reverse fan
this design has the advantages not only improving the function is not provided.
cooling efficiency, but also accessing the cooling unit easily.
• The radiator screen is provided as an attachment.
• The reverse fan function is provided as an attachment.
Photo C-87: Separate Cooling System (385C CDSCF1846) Photo P-87: Cooling Unit (PC800 PDSCF0761)
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Refueling
• The fuel tank has the capacity of 1240liter. • The fuel tank has the capacity of 880liter.
• In addition to the sight level gauge, the float type level • The flat type level gauge is not provide to the strainer.
gauge is provided to the strainer. This helps the service
person to confirm fuel level during refueling.
Photo C-88: Fuel Cap with Fuel Gauge (385C Photo P-88: Fuel Cap without fuel Gauge (PC800
Photo C-89: Fuel Level Gauge (385C CDSCF1900) Photo P-89: Fuel Level Gauge (PC800 PDSCF1065)
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Air Filter
• The 385C uses the double element type radial air filter • The double element type radial air filter is provided to
with pre-cleaner. the PC800-7.
• The dust sensor is provided to the air filter. When the • The dust indicator is situated to the air filter, but dust
filter is plugged, warning information is displayed on the sensor is not provided. The operator/service person cannot
monitor. confirm the condition of the air filter through the monitor.
Photo P-90: Air Cleaner (Elements removed) (PC800

Photo C-90: Air Cleaner (Elements removed) (385C PDSCF0790)
CDSCF1873)
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Hydraulic Filters (filtration)
• In addition to the return filters (capsule filters), the • The return filter, motor drain filter, pilot filter and PTO
pump drain filter, motor drain filter and pilot filter are filter are provided to the PC800-7, but the pump drain filter
provided to extend life of the hydraulic components and is not found.
hydraulic oil. • The PTO filter is unnecessary to the 385C.
• Furthermore, the fine filtration filter, which has the • The S.O.S sampling port is not provided.
capacity to filter more minute contamination, is equipped to
this vehicle.
• The S.O.S sampling port is provided on the pilot pump.
Photo C-91: Pilot Filter and Pump Drain Filter (385C Photo P-91: Pilot filter and Motor Drain Filter (PC800
CDSCF1889) DSCF4713)
Photo C-92: Motor Drain Filter and Return Filter (385C Photo P-92: Return Filter (PC800 PDSCF0824)
CDSCF1862)
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Photo C-94: SOS Sampling Port (385C CDSCF1890) Photo P-93: Filter for Pump Coupling Lubrication (PC800
PDSCF0744)
Engine Oil Filters

• The engine oil filter is situated on the engine to • The engine oil filter is situated on the engine.
accessing from the platform, easily. • The S.O.S sampling port is not provided to the
• The S.O.S. sampling port is provided on the engine oil PC800-7.
filter base.
Photo C-95: Engine Oil Filter with SOS Sampling Port Photo P-95: Engine Oil Filter (PC800 PDSCF0780)
(385C CDSCF1937)
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Capsule Filter
• The return filter is a capsule type. Three capsule filters • Two element type return filters are equipped on the
are used to the 385C and filter cartridges are the common to PC800-7.
the mid size excavators. • Because the return filter is in the oil, it is required to put
• The filter can be replaced without making hands dirty. a hand in the oil when removing the element. Of course,
• The shutter provided to the bottom at the filter is shut the oil which dripped from the filter element makes the
when removed to prevent spillage of the oil. The shutter also upper deck dirty.
prevents dirt and contaminations from going into the filter. • Because the hydraulic oil is exposed when replacing the
filter, there is risk to enter contamination/water into the
hydraulic tank.
Photo C-96: Capsule type Return Filter (385C CDSCF1997) Photo P-96: Element type Return Filter (Element removed )
• (PC800 PDSCF1339)
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Engine Access
• The maintenance points for the engine are centralized. • The engine should be accessed from two maintenance
• Most of maintenance points can be accessed from the points of the upper deck and the counterweight. Not only
platform. And most of maintenance points are located above this design causes the inefficient maintenance but also it is
from the service floor. dangerous.
• The service person needs to be on the edge of the upper
deck when accessing the counterweight. In this situation, no
assist grip is provided on the upper deck. When the service
person is on the counterweight, the lifting eye on the
counterweight is a dangerous projection.
Photo C-97: Engine Access (385C CDSCF1928)
Photo P-97: Engine Access (PC800 PDSCF0450)
Final Drive
One drain port and one level check/refill port are provided. One drain port and one level check/refill port are provided.
Photo C-98: Final Drive (385C CDSCF0079) Photo P-98: Final Drive (PC800 PDSCF0044)
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Fuel System
• Large capacity of the priming pump is provided in the • Two priming pumps are situated to the low of the
engine compartment. engine, under the upper deck. The priming is hard because
• Because the priming pump is situated above from the the capacities of both priming pumps are small.
platform, the operator/service person can easily access and • The operator/service person requires crouch down when
operate it from the platform. accessing the priming pumps.
Photo C-99: Fuel Priming Pump (385C CDSCF1934)

Photo P-99: Fuel Priming Pump (PC800 PDSCF0784)
Photo P-100: Fuel Priming Pump (PC800 PDSCF0783)
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Water Separator
The water separator is situated the right side of the machine The water separator is not provided to the PC800-7.
and can access from the catwalk, easily.
Photo C-101: Water Separator (385C CDSCF1863)
Cab Air Filters

• The air filter for circulated air is situated under the • The air filter for circulated air is situated under the
lunch box. Any tool is not required when detaching and lunch box. Any tool is not required when detaching and
attaching the filter. attaching the filter.
• The air filter for fresh air is located to the back of the • The air filter for fresh air is located on the left side of
cab shell, and is accessible from the battery compartment. the cab shell, and is accessible from the catwalk.
Photo C-102: Air Filter for Circulated Air (385C Photo P-102: Air Filter for Circulated Air (PC800
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Photo C-103: Air Filter for Fresh Air (385C CDSCF1838) Photo P-103: Air Filter for Fresh Air (PC800 PDSCF1063)
Anti-Skid Deck
• Small peaces of the sand papers are pasted in the areas
• The new type anti-skid plates are used in the areas which are accessed frequently on the upper deck to prevent
which are accessed frequently on the upper deck to prevent slippage. However, the interval between the sandpapers is
slippage. too wide.
• The anti-skid plate provides more effect to prevent the • The sandpaper is less effective in preventing slippage
slippage than the sandpaper. Also, the effect of the anti-skid than the anti-skid plate. It doesn't have the effect which
plate can last linger than the sand paper. almost stops a slip on the condition that snow accumulated
in the time.
• The sandpaper wears out in a short time.
Photo C-104: Anti-Skid Panel (385C CDSCF1921) Photo P-104: Sand Paper on the Upper Deck (PC800
PDSCF0770)
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Access to Cab and Upper Deck
• The handgrips and steps are provided to the both side • The handgrips and steps are provided to the both side
for accessing the cab and upper deck. for accessing the cab and upper deck.
• The maintenance points on the upper deck are • Because the platform is not provided to the PC800-7,
centralized to the platform. Most of periodic maintenances the periodic maintenances should be accomplished on the
are accomplished from the platform. upper deck. .
• The operator/service person can access the upper deck • The operator/service person can access the upper deck
from the left side catwalk by using the ladder which is from the left side catwalk by using the ladder which is
provided behind the cab. provided behind the cab.
Photo C-105: Step and Assist to accessing the cab (385C Photo P-105: Step and Assist to accessing the cab (PC800
Photo C-106: Steps and Ladder to accessing upper deck Photo P-106: Steps and Ladder to accessing upper deck
(385C CDSCF1598) (PC800 PDSCF0719)
Service From Upper Deck
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Cat Walk
The catwalks are provided to both sides. The catwalk is provided only to left side.
Photo C-107: Left Side Catwalk (385C CDSCF1601) Photo P-107: Left Side Catwalk (PC800 PDSCF0726)
Photo C-108: Right Side Catwalk (385C CDSCF1608) Photo P-108: No Catwalk on Right Side (PC800
PDSCF0718)
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Fan Belt Re-tensioning
• Because the 385C uses hydraulically driven fan motors, • The fan is driven by the fan belt and the belt is required
the fan belt is not required to the C18 engine. re-tensioning by manually.
• Because the automatic belt re-tensioning system is • The manual re-tensioning device is situated
provided to the accessory belt, re-tensioning is not required counterweight side on the engine. The operator/service
to the C18 engine. person needs accessing the counterweight.
Photo C-109: Hydraulically Driven Cooling Fan (385C Photo P-109: Manual Fan Belt Re-tensioning System
CDSCF1956) (PC800 PDSCF0797)
Track Frame Cleaning

The upper face of the track frame is horizontal. The upper face of the track frame is horizontal.
Photo C-110: Upper face of the Track Frame (385C Photo P-110: Upper face of the Track Frame (PC800
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Environment
The C18 engine on the 385C meets EPA Tier III Emission The SAA6D140E3 engine on the PC800-7 meets EPA Tier II
Regulations. Emission Regulations. This engine does not have the
capability to meet EPA Tier III Emission Regulations.
Photo C-111: C18 Engine (385C CDSCF1946)

Photo P-111: SAA6D140E3 Overview (PC800
PDSCF0776)
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Technical Specifications
Engine
Metric
Caterpillar Competitor
Unit
385C/385CL PC800-7
Model CAT C18 Komatsu
Type DI, ATAAC DI, ATAAC
kW 390 338
Horsepower PS 530 460
HP 523
Dsiplacement Liter 18.1 15.24
N-m 2493
Max torque
rpm 1400
# of Cylinder 6 6
English
Unit
385C/385CL PC800-7
Model CAT C18 Komatsu SAA6D140E3
Type DI, ATAAC DI, ATAAC
kW 390 338
Horsepower PS 530 460
HP 523 0
Dsiplacement in3 1104.5 930
lb.ft 1838.7 0
Max torque
rpm 1400 0
# of Cylinder 6 6
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Weights
Metric
CaterPillar Komatsu
Unit
385C 385CL PC800-7
Operating Wg kg 81510 83930 76200
Type Of Undercarriage STD-VG LC-VG STD-VG
Boom Length m 8.4 8.4 8.2
Stick Length m 3.7 3.7 3.6
Bucket Capacity m3 3.5 3.5 3.4
Shoe Width mm 650 750 710
Counterweight ton 11.6 11.6 12
English
CaterPillar Komatsu
Unit
385C 385CL PC800-7
Operating Wg lb 179700 185030 167990
Type Of Undercarriage STD-VG LC-VG STD-VG
Boom Length ft 27'7" 27'7" 26'11"
Stick Length ft 12'2" 12'2" 11'10"
Bucket Capacity yd3 4.58 4.58 4.45
Shoe Width in 26 30 28
Counterweight lb 25573 25573 26460
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Service Refill Capacities
Metric
Unit
385C/385CL PC800-7
Fuel Tank Liter 1240 880
Hydraulic Tank Liter 810 440
Hydraulic System Liter 995 800
Coolant Liter 101 85
Engine Oil Pan Liter 65 55
Swing Drive(Each) Liter 19 24.5
Final Drive(Each) Liter 21 20
Pump Drive Lter
English
Unit
385C/385CL PC800-7
Fuel Tank Gal 328 232
Hydraulic Tank Gal 214 116
Hydraulic System Gal 263 211
Coolant Gal 27 22
Engine Oil Pan Gal 17 15
Swing Drive(Each) Gal 5.02 6.47
Final Drive(Each) Gal 5.55 5.28
Pump Drive Gal 0 0
74
Hydraulic System
Metric
Unit
385C/385CL PC800-7
Type x # of Unit 2 2
Main Pump
Max Flow (Total) Lit/min 950 988
Type x # of Unit 1
Pilot Pump
Max Flow (Total) Lit/min 87
Swing Type x # of Unit 1 Not Available
Pump Max Flow (Total) Lit/min 460
Cooling Type x # of Unit 1 Not Available
Pump Max Flow (Total) Lit/min 50
Imprement(STD) KPa 32000 31400
Imprement(Pressure Up) KPa 35000 34300
Relief Swing KPa 28700 28400
Pressure Travel KPa 35000 34300
Pilot KPa 4120 2900
Cooling KPa -- --
English
Unit
385C/385CL PC800-7
Main Pump
Max Flow (Total) Gal/min 251 261
Pilot Pump
Max Flow (Total) Gal/min 23 0
Type x # of Unit 1 Not Available
Pilot Pump
Max Flow (Total) Gal/min 121.5 0
Cooling Type x # of Unit 1 Not Available
Pump Max Flow (Total) Gal/min 13.2 0
Imprement(STD) psi 4641 4554
Imprement(Pressure Up) psi 5076 4975
Relief Swing psi 4163 4119
Pressure Travel psi 5076 4975
Pilot psi 598 421
Cooling psi -- -
75
Drive
Metric
Unit
385C 385CL PC800-7
Type of Undercarriage STD-VG LC-VG STD-VG
High km/h 4.5 4.5 4.2
Travel Speed Mid km/h -- --
Low km/h 2.8 2.8 2.8
Max. Drawbarpull kN 592 592 559
Gradeabiity %
English
Unit
385C 385CL PC800-7
High mph 2.8 2.8 2.6
Travel Speed Mid mph -- -- --
Low mph 1.7 1.7 1.7
Max. Drawbarpull lb 133090 133090 125670
Gradeabiity % 0 0 0
76
Swing Mechanism
Metric
Unit
385C/385CL PC800-7
Swing Speed rpm 6.2 6.6
Swing Torque KN.m 260.24
English
Unit
385C/385CL PC800-7
Swing Speed rpm 6.2 6.8
Swing Torque lb-ft 191940 209461
77
Track
Metric
Unit
385C 385CL PC800-7
Overall Length mm 5840 6360 5810
Tumbler Length mm 4600 5120 4500
Track Extended mm 3510 3510 3500
Gauge Retracted mm 2750 2750 2780
Min Ground Clearance mm 850 850 840
# of Track rollers 8 9 8
# of Carrier rollers 3 3 3
English
Unit
385C 385CL PC800-7
Overall Length ft-in 19'2" 20'10" 19'1"
Tumbler Length ft-in 15'1" 16'10" 14'9"
Track Extended ft-in 11'6" 11'6" 11'6"
Gauge Retracted ft-in 9'0" 9'0" 9'1"
Min Ground Clearance ft-in 2'9" 2'9" 2'9"
# of Track rollers 8 9 8
# of Carrier rollers 3 3 3
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Product Comparison – 385C vs PC800-7

Product Comparison Section - Machine Configurations

Make Caterpillar KOMATSU

Model 385C PC850-7

Photo C-02: SAA6D140E3 Engine (PC800 PDSCF0773)

Photo C-02: C18 Engine (385C CDSCF1929)

Model 385C PC800-7

Photo P-04: Hydraulic Pumps (PC800 PDSCF0736)

Photo C-04: Hydraulic Pumps (385C CDSCF1878)

Photo C-05: OCS Type Cooling Unit (Pripro 385c_0212)

Photo P-05: Tandem layout Cooling Unit (PC800

Photo P-16: Main Control Valve (PC800 PDSCF0814)

Photo C-16: Main Control Valve (Prepro 385c_0256)

Boom and Stick

Photo P-17: Stick without capability to install Auxiliary

Photo C18: Capability to install Auxiliary Pump (CD

Photo P-19: Switches on Monitor (PC800 PDSCF1012)

Photo P-20: Switches on Left Console (PC800 PDSCF1016)

Photo C-24: Display Screen (385C CDSCF2050)

The 3-pump system adapted to the 385C provides

Photo C-27: 3 pump System on 385C (385C CDSCF1884)

Photo P-29: Armrest (PC800 PDSCF1035)

Accumulated Hour Meter Accumulated Hour Meter

Photo P-31: Accumulated Hour Meter displayed on the

Photo P-32: Fixed type Skylight with sunshade (PC800

Wiper Sweep Area Wiper Sweep Area

Right Side Window

Photo C-39: Door (385C CDSCF1557)

Photo C-40: Door Release Knob behind the cab (385C

Photo C-47: Climate Control Panel (385C CDSCF1781)

Photo C-48: Storage Space on Left Console (385C

Photo C-49: Storage space on Right Console (385C

Photo P-50: Lunch Box without cover (PC800

Photo C-51: Lunch box with Lid Cover (325D

Make Caterpillar Komatsu

Piping for Travel Motors

Product Comparison Section - Carbody Dimensions

Skirt Plate mm 5.2 Skirt Plate mm 4.8

Photo P-59: Main Beam (PC800 PDSCF037)

Front Half (Box Construction) Front Half (Box Construction)

Vertical Plates mm 30.5+30.7 Vertical Plates mm 25.1+27.6

Vertical Plates mm 20.4+20.2 Vertical Plates mm 24

Photo P-62: Bolted Joint Track Frame (PC800 DSCF4581)

Stick Dimensions Stick Dimensions

Stick Cylinder Dimensions Stick Cylinder Dimensions

• The boom is designed to use thinner plates with larger

Photo C-65: Boom (385C CDSCF1545)

Photo P-65: Boom (PC800 DSCF4634)

Boom Dimensions Boom Dimensions

Boom Cross Section

Photo P-67: Boom Foot (PC800 PDSCF023)

Photo C-67: Boom Foot (385C CDSCF1658)

Photo P-71: Bottom Guards (PC800 DSCF4606)

Make Caterpillar Compared To

Travel Motor Projection

Wire Harness Protection

Pressure Taps Pressure Taps

Photo C-78: Pressure Tap (prepro 385c_0186)

E.T Connectors ET Connector