User talk:Xaosflux/Archive35

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Rich Farmbrough arbitration amendment request

The Arbitration Committee respectfully requests your attention, as an active member of the Bot Approvals Group, at this arbitration amendment request, which seeks to remove bot-related restrictions from Rich Farmbrough. Any comments would be appreciated. For the Arbitration Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 18:53, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Was this bot approved?

It seems there's a bot running right now that has the userpage saying it's unapproved. The bot in question is DYKReviewBot. Could you please take a look? Anarchyte (work | talk) 06:44, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

@Anarchyte: It's approved for trial. Im on my phone so can't link to the BRFA. ~ RobTalk 07:01, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
It is in an approved trial Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/DYKReviewBot. If you have any sort of feedback on the trial, please comment at the request page. — xaosflux Talk 11:08, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

SIG MCX

Thanks for the barnstar. Can you figure out why the info box doesn't display fully? --agr (talk) 16:08, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

@ArnoldReinhold: fixed it up, there was a weapon type that was a not-quite optional parameter on that infobox. — xaosflux Talk 20:20, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I couldn't figure it out. -agr (talk) 15:54, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

RMpmc

I've made a little proposal at Template talk:RMpmc#Appearance, and since all this is still so new, I'd like your input.  What's in your palette? Paine  17:06, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Replied, and on the deletion discussion. — xaosflux Talk 17:23, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Move bug in throttle increase

Hi Xaosflux, see this test I did in my space. There seems to be a bug in the implementation of the throttle limit increase for extendedmover. I moved these 16 pages in my space sequentially to "/m2", all without a problem. When I moved them back, the ninth page complained of a throttle limit hit, but the tenth to 16th all succeeded seconds afterwards. I had to wait a minute before I could move that ninth page. Do you know what the issue is, and should a ticket be submitted to ask if this is really expected?

FYI, the specific move that failed (and that I did a minute afterwards) was Special:Diff/727244335. Thanks — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 17:41, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Andy M. Wang:, phab:T138703 was only closed out a couple of hours ago - so it could be something odd with replication/etc - I'd give it a day and try again. If you are still having the problem I'll try to reproduce with another account as well then we can open a bug. — xaosflux Talk 17:59, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Mailing list

Hi Xaosflux - is the EFM mailing list still in use, and if so would it be possible to be added to it? I've submitted a subscription request, thank you :) -- samtar talk or stalk 09:36, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes it is, it looks like you got on now. User:MusikAnimal and User:Samwalton9 are the list admins. — xaosflux Talk 11:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Good stuff, thank you anyway -- samtar talk or stalk 11:55, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

BAG

You made the call, I have answered. HighInBC Need help? {{ping|HighInBC}} 20:27, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Userboxes

Yeah sure. Go ahead man Reverend Mick man34 ♔ (talk) 13:46, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Your RfB

With the numbers being what they are right now, there's an excellent chance that this one will go to a bureaucrat chat. You might just barely eke this one out, Xaos. In the event that it ultimately passes, I'd like to give you my preemptive congratulations. (Fingers crossed.) Kurtis (talk) 08:30, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

A bit of a belated response here, but I would have actually encouraged Xaos to stick it out to the end of any hypothetical bureaucrat discussion. The end result never leaves the consensus in a state of flux. Kurtis (talk) 10:33, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

After reviewing the milkmaid and her pail, I think my best course of action is the quietly sit in this corner for now. — xaosflux Talk 11:49, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Love that reference : ) - jc37 00:29, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
I think is better than just the parable, because if you don't know it you get to be the best subset of user on Wikipedia: a reader! — xaosflux Talk 03:52, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
roflmao! - (definite laugh out loud moment : ) - jc37 03:57, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


Discussion at WikiProject_Articles_for_creation

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation#Move_Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation.2FRedirects_to_Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation.2FRedirects_and_categories.3F

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation#Move_Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation.2FRedirects_to_Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation.2FRedirects_and_categories.3F. Could you please close this discussion and make the required edits? I'm not sure on who else to contact. Anarchyte (work | talk) 04:54, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

15:15, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Heroes of 71

The MfD instructions only allow for deletion of problematic pages and nothing in the discussion indicated a problem. WP:N doesn't apply to drafts, the age is irrelevant and the COI issue is resolved because the editor isn't being a COI anymore. please reverse hut closure in line with policy. Wikijuniorwarrior (talk) 19:35, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Replied on your talk. — xaosflux Talk 20:03, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
I saw the ping from the user's talk page. I would prefer to discuss here, regardless of the discussion with WJW. I'm concerned by WJW in general, who is mucking up a storm on WP:AN#Revert non admin closure and who is clearly a WP:SPA regarding drafts. I'm skeptical that he is of the genuine belief that the draft can be improved. (Already at least one allegation at AN questioning whether the user might in fact be a WP:SOCK, but I won't go that far since the user has a user page indicating prior anonymous experience.) Would you reconsider your un-deletion here, or should I pursue another avenue (WP:AN? WP:DRV?)? I would personally prefer a relist and some appropriate WP:CANVASSing to WT:VG to get a discussion on the specific case of this draft rather than a soft delete. --Izno (talk) 20:45, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Izno There's numerous editors who argue to undelete drafts of all sorts and then move on. One of the problems of MFD. I'd say you'll have to sit on it before relisting it for deletion. To be fair, the editor could have made a WP:REFUND request and we'd be here again. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:56, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
@Ricky81682: Well, I'm taking it at face value that this basically was a WP:REFUND given that it was "soft" delete in the first place, but I suppose Xaox could have refunded a not-so-soft delete as well. But I think for a refund, the user has to show that he is willing to improve the draft, and given the behavior of the editor in other forums... I find that path an unlikely one. --Izno (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
@Izno: Eh, it's not as bad as the editors who went on a craze asking for refunds and them moving them back into the userspace of six/seven/eight-year-old inactive users (after it was moved to drafts for some work and eventually to MFD to kill) under the belief that those users shouldn't have to figure out redirects. I have a dozen or so very, very drafts that we'll have to debate again. And those editors have been here for years. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:02, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm usually willing to stretch WP:AGF very far - so I hope that Wikijuniorwarrior actually has an interest in improving this content, but if they don't this one draft being restored is very unlikely to be an immediate problem for our readers. The MFD sat open for almost 3 weeks without comment, which lead to my soft delete. Feel free to relist it in the future if it continues to be problematic, but I'd give it at least 4-6 weeks to see if it gets improved (barring any information that this was a bad faith restoration request). Please note, that while I will assume lots of good faith - if someone starts asking for lots of undeletions with no intention to work on them I will be less likely to just flat restore. — xaosflux Talk 21:12, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Roger. I'll take a look at this again at a later date. --Izno (talk) 21:17, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
I think, given the indef block of the user asking for a refund, that it might be appropriate to re-delete the page. Would you mind doing that? --Izno (talk) 11:30, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 Done Izon I have re-deleted, still as WP:SOFTDELETE. — xaosflux Talk 13:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Bombardier Movia & CNR Changchun C951

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BAG membership

Hello xaosflux. I was asked if I would consider a BAG nomination. I value your opinion, so what are your thoughts on my suitability to serve as a BAG member? — JJMC89(T·C) 05:02, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi JJMC89, I think that in order to gain support you would need to demonstrate more contribution in Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval (outside of your own requests) - which you can start at immediately. Asking questions to the proposers that are relevant to evaluating technical operations, community support, and adherence to policies and guidelines is one way; reviewing trial results (which can be tedious for large runs) is another good way. Putting the time in will give the !voters information to consider. Also, while being a sysop is not required for BAG, having NAC closures in your contributions in other discussion venues is a good way to demonstrate that you can measure discussion consensus. I hope to see you around WP:RFBA either way. — xaosflux Talk 11:53, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice xaosflux. I'll see what I can do to help out at BRFA, and I have done NACs at AfD. — JJMC89(T·C) 21:25, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Crat list

Is your subscription working? (NB it's a very low traffic group) --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:08, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dweller: Yes, thank you! — xaosflux Talk 11:32, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Groovy. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:37, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Changing the content model of a sandbox

Hi! I just created MediaWiki talk:Gadget-DRN-wizard.js/sandbox and realized I don't have the ability to specify its content model. Would it be possible for you to change its content model to Javascript, like you did with MediaWiki talk:Gadget-popups.js/sandbox? Thanks! Enterprisey (talk!(formerly APerson) 03:49, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

@Enterprisey:  Donexaosflux Talk 03:51, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
A non-admin method you may be able to use is to create it at User:Enterprisey/Sandbox.js then move it. (I haven't actually tried this). — xaosflux Talk 03:52, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! Enterprisey (talk!(formerly APerson) 03:54, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

12:01, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

A suggestion

You may want to use this template on your user page instead of the clock you have. -- Template:Calendar clock with Wikipedia stats --VarunFEB2003 I am Busy 12:52, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks VarunFEB2003 but I would never replace old WikiClock he's over 10 years old :D — xaosflux Talk 14:14, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Oh I get it happy aniversary to your clock! VarunFEB2003 I am Busy 13:01, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Bulk messaging

I didn't know - thanks for telling me. Something very useful to keep in mind for the future. :-)

Happy editing! --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:53, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Tony Scherman

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Problem with tag closing

Hi, there appears to be a problem with Fluxbot trying to fix Category:Pages using invalid self-closed HTML tags. It is splitting up <ref name"z"/> into <ref name"z"></ref> which is incorrect according to Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: using a source more than once. An example is here, the actual change does not fix the problem which is the </blockquote/> tag in the article. Keith D (talk) 23:40, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Keith D, I am fixing and reverting as needed - see continued discussion at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Fluxbot 6. — xaosflux Talk 00:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 23 July

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 Donexaosflux Talk 00:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Oam9383

Might need to shut down their talkpage access as well, continued vandalism there. RickinBaltimore (talk) 14:05, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done CSD'd as well. — xaosflux Talk 14:08, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: I've seen this LTA around for a while now (discussion) and they actually tagged themselves as a Diamese sock - I'm working on this which may help limit them - if you have any thoughts please email me -- samtar talk or stalk 14:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes that is persistent; that EF appears to be good - "test against recent" came up with what I would expect. — xaosflux Talk 15:18, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

19:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of 20160726-test-xaosflux B

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This will be deleted shortly, I'm fairly confident readers will not be confused by it. — xaosflux Talk 23:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I've moved it to User:Xaosflux/20160726-test-xaosflux B, as this preserves the page in case it's needed to demonstrate the testing while keeping it out of mainspace. Hope you don't mind; I didn't see the message you placed here until after it was done. Feel free to move it back temporarily if you weren't done testing. ~ Rob13Talk 23:29, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Question

Hi, become an admin, how do to that? I want admin to be RIGHT NOW!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TRCuba (talkcontribs) 07:53, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Administrators are elected by the community at the WP:RFA page. Very new editors don't really have a chance in winning the elections because they don't have enough documented experience for the community to review. — xaosflux Talk 11:12, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Kingdom of Ulidia

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Import of de:Hybridnavigation

Hi, I asked for import to user name space User:Bussakendle/Import Hybrid navigation. Of course You can also import to my sandbox. Thanks. bkb (talk) 09:29, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done. — xaosflux Talk 11:42, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Number of BRFAs

Hey xaosflux. For a bot that will process multiple templates in a similar manner, would you want to see one BRFA or a BRFA for each template? The task will be to remove template parameters for IDs that have been migrated to Wikidata (sample edits). I am planning on using a custom AWB module, most of which shouldn't change from one template to another. — JJMC89(T·C) 10:26, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

From a technical point of view, a single BRFA is likely OK - however the broader the task the more community support may be required. — xaosflux Talk 13:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

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Mass message

Hello xaosflux,
IF you see this page - Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Incubator/Indian military history/Mailing list that you created it contains a inputbox in which one can type his name to place it in the list. What module or template produces that inputbox? Moreover when I click edit source it gives me completely different layout and I am probably editing a different page? If I type the full URL - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Incubator/Indian military history/Mailing list&action=edit it takes me to the real edit page. How does this happen? Thanks. VarunFEB2003 I am Online 13:46, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

VarunFEB2003 that page is in a special Content Model that can only be created by administrators. There are some "blank" pages that are created in this model for anyone to adopt and use, see available pages here: Wikipedia_talk:Mass_message_senders#Mass-mail_subscription_list_shells. If you manually enter an edit url you will get the json editor for the page - but your edits will be rejected if they are not in the special content model. Using the edit button on the page actually loads the Special: editor for that content model. — xaosflux Talk 15:12, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

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User:Bbb23 (alternative)

For your edification, I don't have and have never had an alternative account. At one point I did think about it but then discovered I would have to pay royalties to Bishonen, who has the exclusive rights to alternative accounts. --Bbb23 (talk) 15:49, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, I've blocked that account for impersonation. I was about to block it!xaosflux Talk 15:51, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) As well as, more expensively, to The Lady Catherine de Burgh. Bishonen | talk 15:54, 6 August 2016 (UTC).

Whisperback

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Kudpung's talk page. 06:44, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

No one voted to delete. I took the case to review but could you restore them all so I can add sentences and keep them?

Why did you delete Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiAfrica/Stubs/Aaron Banda? No one wanted it deleted but you it seems — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sulky mulky (talkcontribs) 21:04, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Sulky mulky there really is no content to "restore" on these - most were empty section headers and literally "Page title - is ... ". Please see notes at Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Wikipedia:WikiAfrica.2FStubs.2FAbel_Tilahun. Please also note, while I closed the discussion and it had little participation, I did not nominate these so there was at least one other editor involved in each. Feel free recreate any of these as drafts, with enough content to identify the subject. — xaosflux Talk 21:48, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

15:41, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Your request for bureaucratship

And thus, after nearly two-and-a-half years, I relinquish the symbolic title of "Wikipedia's Newest Bureaucrat" to you. Well done for the overwhelming amount of people in support for your candidacy and well done for the successful result in itself. Good luck, Xaosflux! Acalamari 00:11, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, and the all the members of the community who contributed to the discussion; I hope to serve everyone well. — xaosflux Talk 00:13, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
On a bureaucratic note (pun intended), I'll leave you to update your details here, such as the mailing list, your time zone, etc. Acalamari 00:27, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Oh, and I guess there's a screwdriver too. So... yeah. :-P ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:50, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


Conrats

Congratulations
Heartiest Congratulation on one of the most successful RfB's I hope you prosper and better this place. Congrats again Varun  11:42, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

You're a crat! Congrats! ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 11:48, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Good Humor
for your guidelines. I'm so happy to work near by users like you . thank you for being here. Amir Muhammad 04:12, 24 July 2016 (UTC)


Abuse filter question

Hi Xaosflux. I was hoping you could help me out here. I'm looking to set up an abuse filter to help me track a sockmaster. For obvious reasons, I don't want to discuss what the abuse filter would be on-wiki. Any chance you could hop into the BAG IRC channel quickly to discuss? ~ Rob13Talk 23:01, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Looks like we missed eachother. — xaosflux Talk 00:43, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey, sorry. I stepped out to grab my laundry, but I'm back again if you happen to be around. I'll be in IRC for the next few hours. ~ Rob13Talk 00:49, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
BU Rob13, 786 appears to be all FP's - how long do you want to leave it going? — xaosflux Talk 11:29, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
I think you mean BU Rob13.... Omni Flames (talk) 07:33, 4 August 2016 (UTC) --- Oops, yes. — xaosflux Talk 11:29, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Weird, I never got any pings from this page. Just sent you an email about it and came here to drop {{YGM}}. ~ Rob13Talk 05:42, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
@BU Rob13: - updated, and see email for one recent hit on the old pattern you may be interested in. — xaosflux Talk 05:46, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
This filter will be useful whether or not it does what it's intended to do. I've already found other vandalism, etc. with it. They've all been FPs in the sense that they weren't what I intended to find since the change, but they've also all been useful diffs to look at. ~ Rob13Talk 21:11, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Side note about Jaguar's BRFA

Please let me know if you'd prefer I not suggest that BRFA route of obtaining AWB access in special cases like Jaguar's. I realized after the fact that I was kind of volunteering the BAG to babysit, and that wasn't my intention. The already-existing oversight processes of bot approvals seemed most appropriate in this case, and I'm aware that semi-automated "approved bots" have existed in the past, so I thought it was a good fit. I'll refrain from doing it in the future if BAG members would prefer I not, though. Either way, I'll stick around for the BRFA so as to take some of the load off. ~ Rob13Talk 19:45, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, BRFA is really designed to approve bot accounts to do work, from what I can tell this editor just wants to use AWB to automate parts of their editing, now they are talking about programming something - it is a bit of a mess. I looked at the other threads and it looks like multiple admins already said no AWB for this user. Unless that task is significantly defined it will be rejected; and if the editor thinks they can use a bot account for non-approved tasks - the bot will be blocked. — xaosflux Talk 20:24, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, when I recommended this I didn't yet realize it was a CIR issue. If I realized that, I would have just said no outright. ~ Rob13Talk 01:27, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Mis-understanding

I was asking if you would remove the ACC flag from User:Bluerasberry as they have not used it since May. Sorry for the confusion. Mlpearc (open channel) 00:53, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Bluerasberry is listed as part of the education program, added by OhanaUnited, which is listed as a reason to be in that usergroup per Wikipedia:Account_creator. While I do clean up old permissions from time to time, it is normally for completely inactive users. If you see any suggested misuse of this please discuss with Blue, or bring to WP:AN. — xaosflux Talk 00:57, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

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User talk:Fluxbot

Hello Xaosflux,
I wanted to ask you something. The edits made to the bot's talk page like this and this look like manual i.e made by you. I just had a doubt, few weeks ago MusikAnimal advised a new user NepaliKeto62 who had created a bot account (so called) that never (with bolding) make manual edits from your bot account and had mentioned this policy - Wikipedia:Bot_policy#Bot_accounts which says bot accounts should not be used to answer messages related to the bot. Now I am in a confusion! Which of you is correct? Both of you have a lot of experienced in bots! Can you advice me? Meaning you are the best to say about it! Many thanks and sincere regards. VarunFEB2003 I am Online 06:30, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

VarunFEB2003 - the bot policy allows for an exception related to edits by bots that affect only the operator's or their own userspace. As you noted, if other editors have questions for a bot operator, the operator should reply to the editor, not use the bot account to make responses. — xaosflux Talk 10:40, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
So is it allowed make manual edits from a bot but that would be contradicting to this! Can you please explain it to me. Thanks! VarunFEB2003 I am Online 12:15, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure where you are lost here?Bot accounts should not be used for participating in discussions. There is no blanket prohibition regarding "manual edits". Bots are only expected to edit according to their tasks, with the exceptions I listed above. — xaosflux Talk 12:49, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

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Content model change

Hi Xaosflux, may you change the content model of User:Andy M. Wang/prototyping1 from wikitext to JavaScript? (I believe that will also inherently protect the page from nonsysops from editing it, right? (I was also wondering if it would be helpful to have a help page like "Help:Content model" or "WP:Content model" that soft-redirects to mw:Help:ChangeContentModel?) — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 20:59, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Andy M. Wang the model change has been completed. — xaosflux Talk 01:02, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
I think a Help: soft redirect sounds fine. — xaosflux Talk 01:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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Don't forget to delete the talk pages. Mage Resu (talk) 21:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
More pages. Category:Talk pages of MascotGuy sockpuppets to be deleted Mage Resu (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

 Done If you see more, just tag for CSD. — xaosflux Talk 21:36, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
That's odd. I don't recall actually creating the category page. Just added a whole bunch of sock talk pages to the nonexistent category and added a CSD template to each of them. Thanks for helping! Mage Resu (talk) 22:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

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You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Kudpung's talk page. 03:31, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

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The patrol page

Wikipedia:New pages patrol/RfC for patroller right

Kudpung sent me an email with the entire content he drafted.

He wanted me to copy paste it on that page removing his comments. You have done a good beginning. Now should I copy paste Kudpung's content below it. He won't be available for few hours now. --Marvellous Spider-Man 13:04, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Marvellous Spider-Man Feel free to do anything, it is a wiki! I suggest you start by adding more to the page, then during discussion we can whittle it down. I think a good example of a recent RfC for permissions is here: page mover rfc. One thing that usually makes these RfC be more likely to come to a decision is to have a dedicated "drafting period" where the "what will be decided" steps get nailed out, before any "!voting" period opens. — xaosflux Talk 14:16, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

stub tags

Hallo, it's probably less than helpful to add {{geography-stub}} to an article as you did here: it just takes it out of the Category:Stubs which stub-sorters look at, without sorting it into a useful category. Best just leave it as {{stub}} unless you can slot it into at least a country.

I might have a look at Category:Geography stubs to see if anything else there needs rescuing.

In fact I found it depressing how many people had edited that article without putting the country name into the lead ... I was alerted to it by chance by spotting this strange talk page notice! PamD 22:36, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi PamD, in looking at my diff you referenced above, the prior version was not in any categories at all - I didn't remove it from anything. The only place I can see this would have cleared the page from any sort of category list would have been in Special:UncategorizedPages. Please let me know if I've missed something here. For what it's worth - I rarely do these, but was working though some issues related to WP:CXT. — xaosflux Talk 00:18, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Ah yes, sorry - you'd given it the {{geography-stub}} from scratch, rather than replacing {{stub}}. Apologies. But it's probably better to add {{stub}}, which leaves it in the category where people will look and sort it, rather than a stub template which is always going to be too broad. (Though I admit I do tend to drop quite a lot of articles into {{software-stub}} to leave someone else to sort them out!) PamD 07:14, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
And I've now cleared out the sortable stubs from within Category:Geography, leaving it only a collection of geography journals ({{geography-journal-stub}} goes there) and a tiny handful of the otherwise unsortable! PamD 08:01, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the update - best wishes for future stub sorting! — xaosflux Talk 11:40, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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Your deletion of a wikipedia-talk page

On 5 January 2016 you deleted Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Liisa Ladouceur (G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page). Just wondering what was the rationale for such an unusual deletion? Thanks in advance for responding on my talk page. Ottawahitech (talk) 14:44, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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Question concerning discretionary sanctions

I noticed that you stopped in to fix a stray tag marking part of a discussion about a dead gorilla who was being compared to a Presidential candidate's chances in the 2016 election. (Though this struck many as unencyclopedic and misleading, an administrator kept "accidentally" reverting it). This same administrator has recently redirected the "political positions of Ralph Nader" to Nader's bio page (without any discussion or reinstating references added), and called for the deletion of the article "political positions of Jill Stein". Is this normal behavior for a "neutral" administrator?

My question concerning discretionary sanctions (I have been banned from the topic Jill Stein by Nuclear Warfare) is: "Do I have the right to ask the question above (Is this normal behavior for a "neutral" administrator?)". My question concerning the problem of the page hack : "Is anyone looking into this?"

Thank you for your time. SashiRolls (talk) 12:20, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello SashiRolls, if you have concerns about an edit that I made, I will be happy to review any edit I made, if you can provide me the diff link. For this instance, even if the edit was related to your topic banned area I think it is OK for you to provide me the link, especially if it was related to an edit made in my capacity as an administrator. Prolonged discussion may not be available if against your topic ban but I will review and at least make a short reply for you. Regarding your other questions - most high profile pages are heavily watched by other editors, and most editors strive to maintain quality and neutrality. As your questions about the actions of the other administrator are specifically related to article content in the are you are topic banned from - you don't really get to follow up on it. Deletion discussions are also highly watched by many editors - and failed deletion nominations are common. I understand you are interested in these topics - but as you have active sanctions, if you wish to continue to help us build the encyclopedia I suggest you edit in other areas. — xaosflux Talk 15:01, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
It is just the fact that the process is supposed to be a process and not an administrator quietly deciding to redirect long-standing pages (related to Green political postions), as has been done for Political positions of Cynthia McKinney (a reasonably well-referenced page from what I see from the history, certainly not a redirect candidate) and Political positions of Ralph Nader (which did need better referencing, but could have been improved). This is the work of the same administrator that led me to add the faulty tag that you corrected here (diff). I've been editing in other areas, and am observing and will continue to observe the strictest silence on the pages in question. I'm waiting to see how this develops to formulate my appeal. SashiRolls (talk) 15:52, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the link, my edit was purely technical in nature, and I find no fault in whoever introduced the technical error (it is currently transparent to readers until a new software release that this is preparing for) - there have been thousands of these to clean up across all pages. As for your content and topic concerns - have faith that other editors will continue to care for pages in your absence from editing them and go in to any future appeal proceedings with a calm manner. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 16:13, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the sound of advice, xaosflux :) And thanks for your work, I've learned a lot from all this. SashiRolls (talk) 16:56, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


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Hey xaosflux. Per wikitech-l all users with the move userright will be able to change the content model of pages (editcontentmodel) beginning 12 September. For us that means (auto)confirmed and page movers (and admins who already have it). A Phabricator task to change who is assigned the right can be created. I don't think it should be granted to page movers since it doesn't apply to moving pages. I'm not sure if (auto)confirmed should have it or not. I think MMS is a reasonable candidate if we revoke it from (auto)confirmed. Maybe template editors? Thoughts? Should an RfC or proposal be dawn up for discussion at a VPR? (I thought you would be interested.) — JJMC89(T·C) 20:11, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

JJMC89 I read the phab ticket, and they are usually worded a bit different then they are implemented. As far as enwiki goes, what I suspect will occur is that (editcontentmodel) permission will be added to the Autoconfirmed users and Confirmed users (they probably wont bother with page mover since it is an enwiki specific group). As rights are cumulative, unless enwiki makes a decision to not give this to (auto)confirmed users it is moot if it is actually also deployed to out custom pagemovers group. I don't think giving it to move enabled groups is a good idea - and have commented at phab:T85847. If the sysadmins decide too bad - this is our new default because something something flow something something - then we can poll enwiki and request that enwiki is different. — xaosflux Talk 00:50, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
It is being explicitly granted to page movers (extendedmover) per this commit (line 7788). I agree, I don't think it is a good idea – I don't think it is similar to moving. Users who are granted the right should be expected to know how and when to (not) use it. Deploying it to the masses is likely to lead to problems. — JJMC89(T·C) 01:25, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
JJMC89 please see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#restrict_changecontentmodel_permission. — xaosflux Talk 02:02, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Xaosflux, are you able to change the contentmodel of Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page? — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 02:29, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
It is able to be targeted, but I don't want to break that page - let me see if there is somewhere else to try. — xaosflux Talk 02:35, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Andy M. Wang Attempting to change to model on testwiki:Talk:ET43 fails with error The flow-board content model does not support direct editing. — xaosflux Talk 02:40, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. What about a direct topic like testwiki:Topic:T6442d08n4xqo3ia? — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 02:42, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Same The flow-board content model does not support direct editing. — xaosflux Talk 02:45, 15 September 2016 (UTC)


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I was eating cookies when I got your mass email about the Extended page protection. Thanks for keeping everybody informed and your work on Wikipedia:Administrators/Message list itself. I share my cookies with you. Jason Quinn (talk) 20:49, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Question

I realise that there is no deadline, however my bot request has been open for 8 days, and counting. I know that bots such as JJMC8789 bot task 7 take a longer time to process, but mine is extremely simple and only affects a bit over 1,000 pages. Thanks, Dat GuyTalkContribs 09:38, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I'll try to get to this in the next 2 days; I think most of the other WP:BAG guys are busy too. — xaosflux Talk 12:25, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Aand responded again. Dat GuyTalkContribs 14:32, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
And again. Dat GuyTalkContribs 05:43, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
And again, hopefully for the last time. Sorry if this is nudging you. Dat GuyTalkContribs 16:10, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Policies for dealing with new articles at NPP & AfC

HI. Following 5 years of unstructured discussion, a dedicated venue has been created for combined discussion about NPP & AfC where a work group is also being composed to develop recommendations for necessary changes to policies and related software. It is 'not an RfC, it is a call for genuinely interested users who have significant experience in these areas to join a truly proactive work group. There is some reading to be done before signing up. See: Wikipedia:The future of NPP and AfC. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:45, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

21:30, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Right-patrol

Hi Xaosflux, I notice that when I use/hide the tool, the "Mark this page as patrolled" disappears/appears. I'm a bit shady on the technical details of (patrol), but I believe this right gives users the ability to "Mark this page as patrolled", as well as use the Page Curation tool to apply deletion tags, review pages, etc, right? If that is the case, perhaps MediaWiki:Right-patrol deserves a clarification? — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 01:49, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

(patrol) permissions are currently required to use the page curation tool; check out Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/RfC for patroller qualifications and lets see where that goes before expanding the definition - I'm fairly sure it is not changing and there is just a verbiage mixup going on at that page. — xaosflux Talk 02:13, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I checked the core code myself and it's apparent that MediaWiki:markaspatrolledtext-file is related to (patrol) as well. While the NPP RfC has mostly focused on getting competent patrollers for new articles, its implications for non-admin file patrollers have not been discussed as far as I know. (reupload) needs repatrolling. It seems that the new right would need to be reassigned based on competence in article evaluation or competence in file patrolling, but that seems to be out of scope of the current RfC. Any thoughts? A potential workaround is to split file patrol from (patrol), but I don't know what the dev cost increase would be. — Andy W. (talk) 00:43, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
What kind of workload are we talking about here New Unpatrolled Files currently only has 1 file backlog, and of the last 5000 manual patrols performed, only 69 are to the File: namespace, and most of those look like they are from people who would fairly easily qualify for Patrol access. — xaosflux Talk 02:57, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

RfC for page patroller qualifications

Following up from the consensus reached here, the community will now establish the user right criteria. You may wish to participate in this discussion. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:51, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Self-closed tag pages keep drifting into the category

Category:Pages using invalid self-closed HTML tags is adding new pages all the time, despite its being nearly three months old, and based on some insource searches I have done, many thousands of pages have yet to be added. Examples: 3,777 pages, 223 pages, 173 pages, 118 pages, 133 pages (with some false positives, but mostly error pages).

Can you please run Fluxbot 6 through the current contents of the category to fix the easy cases? That will enable human editors to focus on the tricky ones. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:08, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Jonesey95 I sure will - likely in the next couple of days. The category slowly populates by the software for pages that are not actively edited. — xaosflux Talk 13:05, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
The pages listed here could also use a pass by the bot so that editing them doesn't clog watchlists. They have self-closed span tags within "includeonly" sections, so the pages themselves do not show up in the category, but pages that transclude them are in the category. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:57, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

I see that the bot is plowing through the category. Nice work! Note that Category:User pages using invalid self-closed HTML tags has been split from the main category for some reason. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:22, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jonesey95 was just about to ping you, at start of current run there were 4291 pages, run 1 just finished lowering it to 2284; the split is good - we really should concentrate on Articles first - because they are most likely to impact readers. — xaosflux Talk 16:25, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! There are only four article-space pages in the category right now, at least according to a petscan search, and no templates. I'll see if I can fix those right now.
I did some null edits on the results of insource searchs to add about 3,000 pages to the category. I'll be off-wiki for a day or two, but I have a few more searches to do that will probably add a few hundred more pages. I may ping you for another run after that. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:32, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
This bot task is primarily fully supervised, if you find a very very explicit pattern with high use I may run it semi-supervised (spot check mode) on it. This has been good for cleaning up things like old broken user signatures, but the error rate is too high if the pattern is not very specific. — xaosflux Talk 16:37, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
We're making good progress. It looks like you got about 3,000 articles out of the category on your last bot run, and I got another 800 or so out over the last few days. I have added a few hundred more to the User/User Talk subcategory through insource searches and null edits, and both categories are ready for another pass. I have noticed that many of the errors in these pages are caused by editors' signatures. Here are a few patterns that have cropped up quite a bit, and their replacements:
  • \<b\/\>fan71\<nowiki\/\>fan71 (User Kornfan71)
  • \<\/sup\/\>\<p style=\"font\-family\<p style=\"font\-family'); (User Journalist)
  • pie\]\]\<sup\/\>\pie\]\]\<sup\> (User Illogicalpie)
There may be more editor sigs that you find, but these are the most common that I have found. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:29, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

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Consensus will never be reached because there are two intractable sides, at least one of which has resisted mediation. By locking the page you unilaterally have declared victory for one of the sides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.221.197 (talk) 02:27, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

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Phab task

Hey xaos, wanted to ask if you might have time to look over a draft for the phabricator task for the recent RfC on userpage protection. I'm still working at it, but not having a lot of experience writing these up before, I wanted to get a second set of eyes on it, and it seems like you have some experience in this area. If you're too busy or not interested, that's fine too, just let me know. Thanks, I JethroBT drop me a line 17:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

I JethroBT To start with, all of the technical goals (not the programming code) need to be very clearly spelled out and attached to the RfC. These should be of the "one thing per line" type variety. This change is likely not of the "easy" variety for developers overall - however some portions of it may be able to be introduced in pieces. If you start drafting these line by line onwiki, I can help make sure they make sense prior to throwing this in to phab (and it may be in to multiple phab tickets). For an example, see the "Summary of under the covers technical changes" on Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/RfC_for_patroller_qualificationsxaosflux Talk 00:14, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: Thanks. I've started a draft in my userspace here. I've tried to keep it fairly simple, and pointed to settings that may need to change based on feedback in the RfC and a little of my own research on MediaWiki. I can see how these changes may not be simple, though I'm not sure how to break these up into more specific technical goals. Any suggestions? I JethroBT drop me a line 21:51, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

RevDel Request

Hello, Xaosflux. I would like to request revision deletion under R2 for this edit on my userpage. Also, if there is some alternative way that I'm supposed to use to request this that I didn't know about, I would be glad to hear about it. Thanks for looking at this request, Gluons12 | 19:15, 17 October 2016 (UTC).

 Done Gluons12 this is completed - you can also see Wikipedia:Revision_deletion#How_to_request_Revision_Deletion. — xaosflux Talk 19:26, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Gluons12 | 19:36, 17 October 2016 (UTC).

Thanks...

for the barnstar. I would have cleared it the other day but Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Raging Fire (band) confused me. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 22:45, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

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Category:Wikipedian new page patrollers

Could you please empty the Category:Wikipedian new page patrollers of patrollers, I don't know how to do it. There is no need to delete the cat itself. These are the ones that remain after deleting the userbox templates that were transcluded but not subst'ed. I've explained at WT:PERM why this needs to be done. It's so tat I can send the mass message to all former 1,800 users on the list you made so that if they are still around (roughly 50% of them are/were never genuine patrollers, and many others are simply no longer editing),I can send the mass message encouraging those who might still be around to apply for the new right. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:48, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

@Kudpung: there is no "simple" way to empty a category - it requires going to everywhere it is in use and removing it - if it is in a template (like a userbox) it can be updated in one place (and it looks like it may have been) - but for everyone who just slapped the category on their page usually a bot needs to go do it - and there are bots that will do this following a WP:CFD. I created the CFD for you, please enter the rationale here: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_November_1#Category:Wikipedian_new_page_patrollers. If you want the existing members of the category removed, "delete" is fine - if you want them moved to a new category change this to "rename". — xaosflux Talk 12:24, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I've just completed the deletion rationale. I suppose for everyone who just slapped the category on their page a bot will be needed to go do it.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:52, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

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Admin newsletter

I've suggested that here should be a regular newsletter for admins (see details at User talk:MusikAnimal#PERM). Would you be interested in being part of a small editorial team? I see you have recently created an admin mass mailing list. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:14, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

'Crat question

Hey, I am thinking about trying for an RfA again. (Yeah, I know...) My question is how things have changed since last fall in terms of who monitors !voter and comment behavior and other supervision of the process -- My understanding is that it is the 'crats. During my previous RfA there was a fair amount of chaos. In general, I was just wondering about the changes in policies that govern RfAs and if you had any suggestions for how to keep things a bit calmer than they were last year if I throw my hat in again. I know where isn't anything more to be done about things like this or the off-wiki doxxing that occurred, but I am wondering how the RfA world could handle round two of me trying for RfA. Montanabw(talk) 08:56, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Montanabw, RfA is still contentious and as you had the second most opposed (by !votes) application in the last 3 years (2014, 2015, 2016) you may expect to get a lot of scrutiny and be prepared to address any concerns that were raised last year. Civility enforcement on the RfA page is ultimately maintained by 'crats and most of us do watch the pages - but we try not to get involved with anything that may steer the results. There is a recent discussion about moving certain discussions to the RfA talk pages you may want to look at as well. — xaosflux Talk 15:18, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Fascinating, and thanks for the link. I commented. Oh, I do expect scrutiny next time around. My concern is, the concern about steering the results by inconsistent action ... in my case, all sorts of people were moving and deleting other people's stuff, and in one case, a !voting admin was selectively removing some comments of other people -- arguably, anyone who !voted should not be allowed to do any of that. It would be useful if one can point to consistent rules about WHO can alter comments! In addition, I was VERY troubled by the things that wound up revdeled after the AfC closed (which should have been struck by a neutral "traffic cop" at the time), and things like the person (a now-indef blocked editor) who kept altering their comments without using strkeout or other indicia so people knew that that editor had done so, thus creating a false record of the discussion. My primary concern is that I am unclear how to handle such things if they happen this year and would be interested in a better understanding of what is a 'crat issue, what might be an oversighter issue and what is a "any random person can do this-- except the candidate" situation. I need to stay above the fray, but there times when I really wanted to say something last year (mostly the items I pointed out here). I am actually saying this not only for myself, but other controversial candidates. Montanabw(talk) 20:32, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Montanabw, going right back to the reform project I led at WP:RFA2011 the community has formly rejected the introduction od any official mechanism for clerking' the RfAs. Bureaucrats have not been given any additional powers and the right (or more accurately, the possibility) for absolutely anyone to mess with the process whether constructively or disruptively still remains. And whether those interventions are constructive or disruptive also remains very much open to debate. The spite, nastiness, and disingenuous voting that pervades RfA still continues unabated, and with total impunity. The recent (Dec 2015) round of reforms did nothing to improve the situation - leaving the question: What was the ultimate purpose of those reforms? They certainly have not encouraged more candidates of the right calibre to come forward. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:32, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Correct, not much "powers and rights" - I agree it is still a messy area. Wikipedia:2015 administrator election reform/Phase II/Clerking RfC was the closet that came regarding "clerking" by 'crats - though no crat is required to do this. — xaosflux Talk 02:42, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Kudpung's comments about the problems are spot on. The messiness of the process is a barrier to people becoming candidates at RfA. It is an issue and over the long term, a concern. If the community can police itself, that would be a good thing to see. I think a very simple solution would be to either have uninvolved, non-voting admins who agree to clerk, or perhaps have one supporter and one opponent to agree to !vote and then work together to fairly and equally supervise the process. Montanabw(talk) 08:05, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

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MassMessage

Well, to be honest, I've tried mass-message, and have not been pleased. It doesn't work at all as well as I'd like it to - I returned to using AWB because it allows me more control over what pages I hit with the message. I know there's supposed to be a way that I can create a list of pages and use mass-message to target those, rather than a category, but I haven't been able to make it work yet. If you could point me towards a tutorial, or explain to me how I could do something like that, I'd be happy to return to the mass-message function. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:08, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Mass-messaging with categories is problematic. I send messages for the Guild of Copy Editors using a list of user names that lives on a page, and it works well for me. These are the short instructions another editor made for me.Jonesey95 (talk) 03:42, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
OK. I've figured out what I need to do to make mass-messaging work, I think. Should be OK from here on out. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:11, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Good deal! — xaosflux Talk 02:18, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

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NPR phases

Hi Xaosflux, wanted to follow up on the second phase separately. I believe the ~41 remaining users listed at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/List3 accorded should be evaluated "eventually" (a week or two if really need be). It may be seen as unfair that some editors are not evaluated on that list based on their alphabetical positioning.

Side note: as one who suggested the phased approach on the RfC and on the ticket, and despite support from devs on the ticket, didn't mean to overcomplicate this stage if it did... was a good faith suggestion to help with the technical permissions transition, since it involved a revocation. Didn't mean to step out of my purview if I did, and apologies that I myself am unable to help with the list. — Andy W. (talk) 01:29, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't bother me any, I'm just trying to get a feel if the community thinks we have satisfied or not satisfied the RfC closing provisions. — xaosflux Talk 02:03, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Andy M. Wang, there are no rules on Wikipedia about the order in which items on a list should be addressed. I abandoned the list because (not in order)
  • nobody else was prepared to help with the list in spite of asking
  • nobody could find a way of creating a proper list anyway, despite the presence of some seasoned IT geeks on this particular project
  • There was no proper sequence or coordination of the various items to be carried out before the right was rolled out, categories created, and PERM going live.
  • For the work on the NPP project I started 4 years ago and dedicated 1000s of hours to and finally got consensus for, when I pointed out all the above issues, I was told that I was no longer required.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:17, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Confirmation status

Thank you so much!

Actually I lied, this is not my account at all, I just found it on BugMeNot. (And it wasn't that easy either BTW -- did you know that Wikipedia is still available on it (and similar sites) under wikipedia.com or alternate domain components such as xx.wikipedia.org or wikipedia.xx? (I'm telling you that because I hope that you -- meaning, Wikipedia -- won't be able to prevent *all* combinations on *all* such sites anyway...))

Though still, the reason I obtained this account and asked for the permission *was* in good faith. I was hoping to (I just didn't get to owing to lack of time) use it to tell a certain admin who has semi-protected his talk page that he's being a harmful clown for blanket-removing a certain edit of mine.

And no, that edit was not insulting at all. It was about reinstating a certain simple good faith template I made. It was completely apolitical (didn't use a single word of human language), using #exprs, CSS border radii, et c., and removed only because of (another admin's) technical incompetence.

Why not give it a look and restore the template (or give other users feedback if it's unfitting the wiki for any reason, if you feel like it)?

Regards! ~~~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiktoria14 (talkcontribs)

Damn

Oops, I figured I'd screw something up. Thanks for fixing. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:50, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow :) — xaosflux Talk 18:51, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Mailing2

I have just completed a triage of this list (which took several hours), but suddenly it no longer displays its content. Its edit history is intact and the content is there when viewed from the 'edit' mode. Why is this? Is there anything you can do? I believe it happened when I created the talk page for the list.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:34, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Checking right now, I'll fix it one way or another! — xaosflux Talk 03:49, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
@Kudpung:  Done I think there is a bug of some kind in that extension, possibly related to copy pasting that may include invisible right-to-left text markers. — xaosflux Talk 03:54, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks:) I'll just finish a second quick triage run then get the newsletter out. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:59, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
Newsletter sent to just under 1,500 users. I didn't realise until too late that the debug tweaks you made restored all the users I triaged out of the list (I was working on a backup list on my hard disc). Never mind, around 50 of them were indef blocked, while the vast majority of the rest were either users whose only edit (or one of their first 5 or so edits) was to add the userbox to their user page never to edit again, users who have not edited for many years, or users with extremely low edit counts. All as I anticipated (mainly based on the complex NPP survey I designed and ran a few years ago) in which the total list came to 3,937 users having patrolled new pages, excluding blocked editors. Of the non-blocked users:
  • 2,504 came from Scottywong's list of patrollers;
  • 1,300 self-identified with a “new page patroller” userbox;
  • 133 self-identified with a “this user uses Twinkle...” userbox.

Of the users asked to fill in the survey, only 1,255 responded which after removing the nonsense responses only 304 were left. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:03, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Wow lot of work there! Good job! — xaosflux Talk 05:18, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm about to send a newsletter to all admins informing them of the new user right. Could you please check it out. It's here. Thanks.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:19, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
Kudpung It seems OK, there is a mailing list here: Wikipedia:Administrators/Message list. — xaosflux Talk 13:58, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Competing bots?

This looks odd. - Brianhe (talk) 05:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Brianhe The robot wars have begun! Actually, that was a run of User:Fluxbot#Task5 for Special:PermaLink/749415268#Bot_mistake_help, rollback of a malfunctioning bot. — xaosflux Talk 05:39, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Also, looks like I didn't the the bot assert to work with rollback since it didn't have admin (markbotedits) access - apologies for any recent changes flood. — xaosflux Talk 06:07, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Bot war

GreenC bot appears to be in an edit war with Fluxbot, as indicated by these edits:

DonFB (talk) 05:48, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

@DonFB: Please see the section right above this one. — xaosflux Talk 05:48, 14 November 2016 (UTC)


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A new user right for New Page Patrollers

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Messasge List

Hi. I've spent an hour trying to create a message list at Special:CreateMassMessageList but either the instructions are not clear or I'm missing something (probably the latter). Within the New Page Reviewer project I need a list called Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants message list. The list to import is here. Can you help? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:45, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

 Done @Kudpung: the list has been made, it can be tricky. There are two entries on your import list you may need to review and add if they are needed: user talk:** {{user3|JJBers Public ; user talk:**{{user2|Sandgem Addict. — xaosflux Talk 15:17, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:55, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up about those two. Sandgem was a false positive, but I have removed JJBers from the list and from reviewing drafts at AfC. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:55, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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Watchlist notice

Hi Xaos, hope you're well. I'm a little concerned we're still seeing admin accounts compromised - do you think a watchlist notice urging users to change passwords would be appropriate? -- samtar talk or stalk 13:32, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Not yet, this is being discussed on the mailing list - as far as admins go we already mass messages all of them. If this is to the point where we want to encourage all editors to act we should do a sitenotice, not a watchlist notice - but I think it is premature right now; we can discuss on VP if you'd like to get more input. — xaosflux Talk 14:28, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Worth noting I boldly created the edit request for it, which was done - I agree discussion is needed to deal with the long term solution, but with account compromises as recent as hours ago I think now is the time to get people resetting passwords or enabling 2FA -- samtar talk or stalk 14:36, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
It won't hurt - the massmessae should have gotten ahold of the admins already - but if we need all the editors, then sitenotice-logged-in is the way to go. — xaosflux Talk 14:39, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, is this being tracked anywhere on phab/elsewhere? I'm sub'd to T150605 but I would imagine (hope?) there is incident documentation going on -- samtar talk or stalk 14:44, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
FWIW, I read the mass message, followed up on what to do, found it terribly complicated and/or needing paid subscriptions to external services, that I gave up on it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:57, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
@Kudpung: you may find the simple guide which Ritchie and I have written useful -- samtar talk or stalk 21:44, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
We have updated the help page considerably over the last few days - you should not need to purchase any subscription services, but you will need generally need a tablet or smartphone. — xaosflux Talk 22:21, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer

Hi Xaosflux. I noticed that my new page feed has become different (the yellow highlighting is absent now on unreviewed pages), probably because of the New Page Reviewer right addition. I noticed at Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers that there is a Grandfather clause: "Users who made at least 200 uncontested patrols between 1 January 2016 and 6 October 2016 will be accorded the right by administrators without the need to apply at WP:PERM." I have 200 plus uncontested manual patrolled edits between these dates. Would you please be able to accord the said flag to me? I have read the tutorial and have a clean CSD log with only two rejections in all my CSD tags till date, both which got eventually deleted. Thank you. Lourdes 06:02, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Lourdes I did a quick check of your [114]log for the grandfathering status, there may possibly be a database issue but it looks like you were just short of the automatic requirement (only patrols of "new articles" were in the count and the "automatic" patrols don't count). I don't normally do a lot with NPR, so may be missing something. I suggest you drop a request over at WP:PERM, they have been getting resolved fairly quickly. If you mention your prior CSD log and that you have already reviewed WP:NPR and Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Help (which is a newer new-page patrolling utility that you may find greatly helps-it takes a little getting used to but is better for dealing with the non-speedy deletion type new pages) I don't think you should have any issue getting set up. — xaosflux Talk 12:53, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Sure do. Thanks for the reply. Will apply at perm. Lourdes 13:54, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks again. Applied and got the flag. Would actually assist me at NPR. Thanks. Lourdes 01:49, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Good deal, if you haven't take 5 mins to explore the Curation hoverbar - you might like it! — xaosflux Talk 02:11, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
I actually had used it before. The new updated version is definitely better. Thanks for the nudge :) Lourdes 13:21, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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One quick request again

Hi Xaosflux :) One quick request again. In September, I had requested and you had helped me by unchecking the auto patroller and reviewer flags. Katie has been kind enough to give the rollback bit. Might I request you to please add back the reviewer and auto patrol bit? Thanks and cheers. Lourdes 02:43, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

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Hello! I just wanted to know if it's okay to add a comment like the one I did to a user's rollback request, the one you just marked as not done. Adotchar| reply here 22:41, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

@Adotchar: It isn't normally necessary - closing admin typically go through those type of stats - it is "okay" in that there is no policy against it; if you have specific information that is not obvious from statistics (like 'this diff shows user X vandalized article Y) that type of information is usually welcome. Happy editing, — xaosflux Talk 22:50, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I get bored sometimes and do some quick checks for people and just state it, instead of having admins go through his stats. Adotchar| reply here 00:39, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
If you were to look at my account now, would you say I would qualify for rollback permissions? I don't have it yet, and I need it for STiki. Adotchar| reply here 00:41, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
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Infobox_television

Why did you revert it? I made a valid point. Several articles those articles I listed and several others are screwed up since you reverted. Grapesoda22 (talk) 01:04, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

@Grapesoda22: At Template_talk:Infobox_television#Italicized_show_name you said you were satisfied by the explanation Mdrnpndr gave. At this point, please discuss any additional reverts at Template_talk:Infobox_television - if you have a version ready to go, please file an edit request there. — xaosflux Talk 01:07, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
I meant I was satisfy with you removing it. Grapesoda22 (talk) 01:40, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
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@Grapesoda22: Please make your suggested edit at Template:Infobox television/sandbox, test it, then make an edit request at Template talk:Infobox television. — xaosflux Talk 02:47, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
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Can you check what's wrong with this list please. When I added User talk:Rwxrwxrwx, it blanked the page. I restored the list by undoing my edit. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)

Readded, seems OK now. MMS content model is a little buggy still :( — xaosflux Talk 17:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

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I was reading through the latest NPP RfC and related threads and noticed something I'm apparently confused about. I figure you'd probably know :) Much has been made of the possible dangers of "bad" new articles getting indexed by search engines. Speedy tags apply {{NOINDEX}}, but is it actually the case that new articles are not indexed until patrolled? I don't believe that was true last year (last time I had a reason to notice), but I may be behind. WP:NOINDEX seems to be out of date. I tried to test it by creating an article with my sock, but was lucky enough that it was patrolled quickly. (Yet the article still isn't indexed on google, and others I created today with my main account are... unfortunately I don't have enough articles stored up for any more sampling :) Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:59, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Opabinia regalis: (no)indexing isn't always an exact science. Since October 2016 (c.f. phab:T147544) new articles get an html attribute applied <meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow"/> until they are patrolled (or until 90 days go by, I haven't tested that). This attribute is also applied if the article contains a deletion tag such as {{speedy}}. Note, this is similar, but not identical to the behavior that __NOINDEX__ uses. There is a configuration parameter $wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl that prevents the INDEX, NOINDEX magic words from overriding the namespace default (which for Namesapce:0 (Article) is set to INDEX). This is to prevent vandals from NOINDEX'ing random pages out of search. The noindex meta tab is merely a request to web crawlers - Google generally honors these - but some search engine may not. Finally, being available for indexed doesn't require or "push" a notice to all of the search providers of the world - it is up to them to fetch and index a page - sometimes this is fast, sometimes it takes a long time. Hope this helps. — xaosflux Talk 14:06, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I know it's not a push notification that pops up immediately; it's just very noticeable that I created three articles yesterday on very similar topics, and the two created by this account were indexed immediately, but the one that needed "patrolling" is still absent. Hardly statistically significant, but I hadn't given it much thought because most of my articles are on very obscure topics and they usually pop up in google searches for the title near-instantly. I suppose we'll have to at least update the boilerplate for autopatrolled - the conventional wisdom is that the user right doesn't benefit the holder, but does benefit others by saving them some work; that's clearly no longer true if we assume that people create new articles because they want others to find and read them.
Anyway, thanks for the phab link, that's what I was looking for. Opabinia regalis (talk) 20:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Opabinia regalis I can't find the documentation - but I hear that google does follow our new pages feed - but that non-autopatrolled page (autopatrol is included in your sysop group) would have been skipped - so now it would have to wait to get spider-indexed. I'm assuming you are referring to New Jersey polyomavirus. I pulled the source on it, and it is not (now) flagged for noindex. I made a minor edit on it, that may help kickstart indexing on an external site. Please note, none of this behavior has changed due to removing the patrol behavior from autoconfirmed users - non-autopatrolled editors woudl still have needed someone else to mark their page as patrolled. This indexing behavior is likely different due to the October software update. — xaosflux Talk 20:49, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Opabinia regalis FYI - I used google webmaster tools to submit a request to crawl that page now - and now it is the #2 search result: google-result-here. — xaosflux Talk 20:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
p.s. google has massive caches - I got it to show me that result, but when reloading its not up - their index will take a little time to replicate. — xaosflux Talk 20:57, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Ahhh, if google is directly following the new pages feed then that would make sense. Thanks, I see it now! (The other two articles are MW polyomavirus and STL polyomavirus, which were autopatrolled and indexed right away.) Opabinia regalis (talk) 21:26, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer - RfC

Hi Xaosflux. You are invited to comment at a further discussion on the implementation of this user right to patrol and review new pages that is taking place at Wikipedia:New pages patrol/RfC on patrolling without user right. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Module:Shortcut/Sandbox

Module:Shortcut/Sandbox, a page which you created or substantially contributed to (or which is in your userspace), has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Module:Shortcut/Sandbox and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Module:Shortcut/Sandbox during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Pppery 18:44, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

bot on pl.wiki

Your bot are destroyng references: [135], [136], [137] and some other. Malarz pl (talk) 07:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Replied to you at w:pl:Dyskusja wikipedysty:Malarz pl. — xaosflux Talk 13:36, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Fluxbot request

Can Fluxbot please make a run through Category:User pages using invalid self-closed HTML tags? It looks like it is stable and not adding new pages via the job queue, and it has a lot of bot-fixable tags. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: I'm not getting many hits in there with my current replace options (and I'm running about 40 of them at once) - do you see any specific patterns that are highly repeated? — xaosflux Talk 16:50, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm seeing lots of p/ and some h2/ and some /br and a little span/. Those are all bot-fixable. Others require manual oversight, which I can do. I was hoping you could clean out the easy ones for me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:24, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: I got some, the /br's are broken, but they are not causing this categorization; the h2's should be good; the p's are a mess because it is not a simple <p/> replacement to something, sometimes it should be removed, sometimes swapped to </p> and sometimes replaced with line breaks or with <p></p>. I've run in to a few problem with the span regex I'm tweaking a bit more. — xaosflux Talk 17:49, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Get what you can. I'll chip away at the rest. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:50, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Lists

Sorry to bother you but I wonder if you could make a list for me again (I really need to learn to do this myself, but the instructions are too vague to follow. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:04, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Kudpung Not a bother at all! List created here: Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter list. You can create a blank list using: Special:CreateMassMessageList and if you have a list of names like you did you can use 'Edit' on it to dump them in. The MMS content pages are a bit fragile, they don't like much in the description and can break with some users with certain special characters in their names. — xaosflux Talk 15:38, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:35, 25 November 2016 (UTC)


Bureaucrat chat

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Godsy/Bureaucrat chat

I would be grateful for your input in the above discussion. Many thanks, WJBscribe via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:33, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

18:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

MusikBot II

What's the procedure for getting the bot/admin bits? Should I post at WP:BN? No rush, just curious :) I know you're super busy! And actually expect an email from me soon... :) MusikAnimal talk 18:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

If it isn't action after another day or so, post at BN for someone to review the closed BRFA for flagging. I would only do it if it was posted at BN and all the other crats ignore it - since I was the BAG approver. Note: dealing with the onhold RFA is a bit more priority for crats today :D — xaosflux Talk 19:44, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Video game content rating system

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You were mentioned at ANI

I've pinged you to this thread as it relates to CAPTAIN RAJU's NPP right which you granted, just to let you know -- samtar talk or stalk 14:22, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, replied there. — xaosflux Talk 15:33, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Dear Sir, I want to link my blog [http: topcoconutoilsecrets . com/ The Coconut Oil Secrets] to this Wikipedia page. Is this possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallsportfolio (talkcontribs) 18:18, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Most articles can be edited, please see Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for the types or links and sources the community generally supports being added to encyclopedia articles. If a technical block is preventing your edit, you can request it by clicking on the "talk" tab for the page and leaving a message for other editors. Some new and unregistered users are unable to add certain external links. — xaosflux Talk 18:58, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

BBC 12-hour Editathon - large influx of new pages & drafts expected

New Page Reviewers are asked to be especially on the look out 08:00-20:00 UTC (that's local London time - check your USA and AUS times) on Thursday 8 December for new pages. The BBC together with Wikimedia UK is holding a large 12-hour editathon. Many new articles and drafts are expected. See BBC 100 Women 2016: How to join our edit-a-thon. Follow also on #100womenwiki, and please, don't bite the newbies :) (user:Kudpung for NPR. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2016 (UTC))


Appreciation

Xaosflux, your consistently helpful suggestions are so refreshing, insightful and sincerely supportive. I'm honestly appreciative of your support and suggestions in all places where we have interacted. It's rare to find editors who are so forthcoming. Thank you. Lourdes 02:38, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Restoration of Admin Privileges

I haven't been on in some time but am back to do regular editing (at least I hope I will be). I don't have any specific need for admin privileges right now, but before I would regularly do some clean up on some lists that are edited in talk or user space then switched over on the date the changes become effective (such as merging histories etc).

Thanks for giving me the notices with clear instructions on how to restore admin privileges when the time comes. --Trödel 03:34, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

@Trödel: those are mostly form letters, but we do try to make sure they are clear and useful! Stop by WP:BN if you want to resume mopping. Happy editing, — xaosflux Talk 03:56, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you again (and for autopatrol restoration) --Trödel 04:01, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
If there are any of the other lower flags (e.g. rollback, pending change review) you have a need for let me know, or post over at WP:PERM. — xaosflux Talk 04:03, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
rollback would be nice - I just could have used it for a stupid error I made a mistake from lack of wikiediting for a while --Trödel 04:13, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 Donexaosflux Talk 04:17, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
thx again --Trödel 04:25, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


RfC

Hi. You may in fact not be aware of it, but mass messaging with the help of automated processes is expressly disallowed by an established guideline. I, for example, only mass inform users of RfC on highly important or sensitive issues that may broadly affect Wikipedia in general, and I do so in full observance of the rules. It's often a tedious task to do manually, but I see no reason why editors, particularly admins, should be encouraged to openly disregard an accepted convention. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:09, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

If you are referring to BU Rob13, I asked him to stop flooding recent changes with high speed assisted editing, MMS is much less impacting - as to the "content" of the message, I did not review it or comment on it, but BU Rob13 said he had already reviewed it against the canvassing guideline and I assumed good faith. His interpretation of that guideline to his activity may vary from other editors. Is there another specific guideline you are referring to? — xaosflux Talk 21:27, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
This issue has got me in hot water for having done the right thing again. I was severely reprimanded by Risker a while back for even manually messaging concerned users. I think it was on the early NPP RfC - which passed. Using (semi) automated mass message systems for RfC - whether the message is neutral or not - is expressly disallowed by the guideline - something I have been aware of for years and which is unambiguous in its wording.. I am now on the thin end of the wedge for having complained to BU Rob13 for his abuse of admin privilege: a) because as an admin he already has permission to use mass message bots, and b) for insisting that the guideline does not apply to him. This all rather disappoints me, especially as on more than one occasion, his behaviour has nearly caused me to retire. I don't think that those of us who toe the line and act like reasonable admins for years should have to suffer these indignities. Perhaps someone should start yet another RfC (::sigh::) to get a consensus for that guideline - either to change it, or to maintain the status quo. The saddest thing is that Rob is indeed an enthusiastic editor and new admin (whose RfA I supported), works hard and in good faith, and genuinely believes he's doing the right thing. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:13, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
I agree - and it may be time to update that guideline (and it is just a "guideline") - the arbcom mention is over 10 years old and was not directly tied to a finding, just a principal. As far as "what need to be done now" - see my last line on BU Rob13's talk page - if you think this has impacted the RfC from being able to run properly that concern needs to be addressed before it goes much further. — xaosflux Talk 01:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
@Kudpung: I've explicitly stated I will not make such notifications again. I'm quite confused how that's been interpreted as "insisting that the guideline does not apply to [me]"? I made these types of mass notifications on your request. There is no winning for me here. If I did not make the notifications, you would have accused me of attempting to sneak through a change, as you've loudly done before in similar situations. If I do make the notifications, you claim they're spamming due to the number of editors who commented at the most recent RfC. Obviously, I cannot cherry pick which editors to notify, because that would be a blatant violation of the letter and intent of WP:CANVASS. The list of editors I notified was the list of editors who had edited the previous RfC page in full. At this point, I've fulfilled WP:ADMINACCT, as I've explained my logic behind sending out the message in the first place and promised not to do so again. It's obvious that notifying the entire group of editors who've participated in a past related RfC does not place any influence on the ongoing RfC except to increase participation, so there aren't any outstanding issues there. I will be archiving the thread on my talk page. If you wish to pursue your apparent vendetta against me in other venues, WP:ANI and WP:ArbCom are that way. I've never had any interest in escalating your dislike of me into anything more than that, and I still don't. Your email today labeling your own actions harassment and egging me on to open an ArbCom case haven't changed that. Your email was the first time the "H" word has ever been used in our correspondence on- or off-wiki, and I hope this to be the last time. I'll forward on your off-wiki correspondence with me to the Arbitration Committee in case you decide to go that route, but I certainly hope you decide to work together productively instead. ~ Rob13Talk 02:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Xaosflux, I do not believe for a moment that the action has impacted the possible outcome of the RfC, nor have I at any time even hinted that it would or that it were not neutral. My concern is for the blatant disregard of another aspect of WP:CANVASS which I do not understand why recently promoted admins are allowed to ignore to their convenience, while others rigorusly abide by the somewhat ridiculous rules of Wikipedia whether we agree with them or not. I have never, ever, compromised my integrity as an admin by suggesting hat someone flagrantly break the rules by using any mass message systems to canvass for a RfC, and I defy Rob to scour my edits and provide a diff. Not for the first time has Rob misinterpreted what I say on Wikipedia. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:11, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi, so:
  1. The RfC is OK - it can continue on its way
  2. There are a few active threads open on Wikipedia talk:Canvassing that may impact or reinforce the current guidelines - up to the community where this goes
  3. BU Rob13's activity has stopped and he has said he will "not do it again"
  4. I don't see Arbcom taking this occurrence up as a "admin action" issue - there is a lack of demonstrated "harm"
  5. I've explained my own comments - it was only that MMS is preferable to unflagged highspeed manual editing, I assumed good faith that the canvass guideline issues were already taken care of
  6. If there is outstanding "conduct" or "behavior" tension between the two of you - I hope you can both move past it - this is a big place and there is plenty of work for us all to do
xaosflux Talk 03:31, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Just to better explain my actions per WP:ADMINACCT, I thoroughly reviewed WP:CANVASS to guarantee that my mass notification was allowed prior to bots being involved. I believe I made it very clear on my user talk page that I am not experienced with mass message sending and was uncomfortable using it. I was unaware of the one sentence about using a bot deep in WP:CANVASS, and even if I had been aware of it, I was unaware that mass message sending was even carried out by a bot. I've watched the new page reviewer newsletters #1 and 2 be sent out by Kudpung in the recent past, and they featured a call to action to !vote a particular way at the community wishlist. Based on those experiences, I had little reason to believe this was an issue, and I'm still not quite sure how that call-to-action using MMS is allowable while mine is "abuse of admin privilege".

I made a good-faith attempt to follow Kudpung's wishes, expressed at Wikipedia:New pages patrol/RfC on patrolling without user right, where he stated "In my opinion this current RfC as originally proposed is flawed. Firstly, all those who supported and opposed the the previous two RfC have been denied the right to be properly informed of this new RfC. They must be informed, neutrally and individually of this RfC and there should be a watchlist notice. This should not be allowed to be a back-door overturn by a minor quorum of a major new policy that reached consensus on not one, but two consecutive RfC." He later went on to state that were I to launch more RfCs relating to substantial issues, "it stands to reason that everyone will be notified in order to have a fair representation by the people who previously turned out to support or oppose the previous RfCs". I erred in my method of following Kudpung's wishes. That error is mine, although I think it's a reasonable error to make given this whole history. Even an administrator is allowed to make an occasional error, so long as they respond to criticism appropriately and work to undo any damage caused. Here, no damage was caused at all, as all parties note that the end result is exactly what should have occurred. Still, in my first response to the criticism, I stated definitively that I will not make such notifications in the future. I also noted that I believe WP:IAR could have provided a policy basis for my action in hindsight, but it certainly was not my original intention to invoke IAR. I generally find it distasteful to intentionally make IAR actions when dealing with advanced permissions.

This all could have been handled with a lot more grace. Throwing around terms like "abuse of administrator privilege" is unhelpful when dealing with a simple mistake that caused no damage. Hopefully, this complete explanation puts this well to rest. I have absolutely no desire to have an internet slap-fight over trivial matters when both our time can be better spent improving the encyclopedia. As Xaosflux said, it's a big project. I remain interested in working together productively, as I hope I've made clear in my many comments on-wiki and our private correspondence, Kudpung. ~ Rob13Talk 06:36, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for creating this.

I expect that sooner or later, there will be a legitimate request to hide a particular log entry from public view, probably for something like this. Without your work, it would've been relatively easy: The offending edit would just be revision-deleted or suppressed. If hiding specific log entries from public view without making the entire log private, then we are set. If not, consider working on making it so, and/or be prepared to hide this log's entries from public view should the need arise. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:28, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

@Davidwr: currently abuse-filter logs do not have a admin-only revdel type mode per-log entry (only for ALL logs from a filter), however individual log entries may be suppressed by an oversighter - so if you see one just file an oversight request. — xaosflux Talk 18:33, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. It will be extremely rare that something MUST be hidden from non-admins without meeting the requirements for being WP:OVERSIGHTed. In fact, I can't think of any such situation off the top of my head. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:41, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Genfixes

I am concerned that the original issue I raised with genfixes is getting lost under a tidal wave of discussion of Yobot. Do you think that it would be sensible to open a formal RfC or would it be better to wait till the Yobot issues are resolved, or at least settle down? SpinningSpark 19:48, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Spinningspark it depends - if your concern is with only the one bot keep addressing it - if it is with genfixes for all bots (and possibly all editors?): can you summarize in one or two sentences what type of outcome you would like to see? — xaosflux Talk 19:55, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, the reason I raised it at BAG was precisely because I thought this was more general than one bot, otherwise my block of the bot would have sufficed. My concern is that items that are added to genfixes have the effect of creating a crowd-sourced bot (as well as being used by actual bots) but there is no formal control of these contents. The outcome I would like to see is BAG take on that formal control, or, failing that, that community approval is sought for some form of control. SpinningSpark 20:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
There a few venues:
  1. If you want an approvals process for AWB genfixes: I think the place for this is WT:AWB. I don't see BAG being charge of the genfix lists, as it is used by non-bots as well. - May need to be an RfC.
  2. If you don't want bots using genfixes at all anymore - start a thread at WP:BOWN, will need to be an RfC. If it passes, BAG would need to coordinate informing existing AWB bot's to stop using this, and would honor the community result for future requests.
@Spinningspark: is there something I'm missing? — xaosflux Talk 20:26, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't really want to stop bots using genfixes. I would very much see that as the nuclear option. I'm not convinced that the folks over at AWB have the necessary skill set for this. It needs people looking at it from a community point of view rather than developer and bot operator point of view. Do you know of some similar process they are running that could be modified? At the moment it is anarchy.[142][143][144] I know AWB is used by non-bots, but that was kind of partially my point. Editors are not likely to question the fixes they are being offered (bots do it, so it must be ok, I heard one user say!). They will assume they have approval and just mechanically accept them. As I said, that amounts to a crowd-sourced bot which is what puts it in scope of BAG. SpinningSpark 21:29, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
I think you should start a thread at WT:AWB and advertise is elsewhere. BAG does not have very many active editors, so may not have the manpower to take care of this. Ideally, for enwiki use the software maintainers would ensure that their updates have consensus. — xaosflux Talk 21:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Ok, understood, but it is still problematic to approve a bot to do something that is liable to change. It would be possible to approve for a specific version of genfixes. It could be made clear to operators that subsequent changes to genfixes invalidate the bot approval if anyone raises an objection with them over those subsequent changes. What do you think? Also, it is certainly within the ambit of BAG to ask operators seeking to perform generalfixes to point to a discussion, especially for changes to genfixes since the last approval. SpinningSpark 11:14, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
That may be possible, but will require: an AWB genfix versioning, release, and review system - as well as a mechanism to tell the AWB software which genfix version to run. Please discuss these changes at WT:AWB. I'm not sure what type of genfixes you think would be OK for bots, but not for human editors in this system? Perhaps bots could run "approve version" n-1? — xaosflux Talk 21:51, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
I was thinking more of something that could be implemented without imposing anything at AWB (I will eventually raise something at AWB, but not yet, and it is unclear what they would be willing to do). What I had in mind was taking a snapshot diff of the genfixes page at the time of bot approval. That serves as version control for the bot. The bot then happily runs until someone raises an issue. If, and only if, the issue concerns something that has changed in genfixes since the bots approval then the bot is obliged to stop and seek new approval. I don't necessarily distinguish here between OK for bots and humans. As I said to you earlier, I kind of consider the human operators to be a crowd-sourced bot as far as genfixes are concerned, but I appreciate you are not going to take that one on board. SpinningSpark 22:34, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
AWB does not currently support genfix version snapshots - the AWB developers would need to be willing to introduce this from a technical aspect - all of that is a software issue and absolutely needs to be dealt with from the AWB side. — xaosflux Talk 23:19, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Possibly I have got this entirely wrong, but doesn't genfixes consist of this page of regex fixes and this page of template redirects? All of that is on-wiki and editable here (and only protected to autoconfirmed level!). Those can be snapshotted with a diff. Anything hardcoded in is captured in AWB's own version cntrol. SpinningSpark 10:38, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Have you ever used AWB? The only client option is "Apply general fixes" (ON/OFF). If you want some accounts (e.g. bot accounts) to use one set of genfixes, but human editors to use another - there would need to be somewhere to specify which one to use in the software. Typo fixing (ON/OFF) is a separate client option (that bots should not be using at all). I just pointed AWB at some new articles (didn't save) and with genfixes on it wanted to do things like remove trailing whitespace, add birth categories. I'm not sure of everything genfixes may include (I do not use it on my bot). — xaosflux Talk 12:27, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't really have much experience with AWB for general editing. I mostly use it to generate lists. My intention was not to have bots work from a different set of fixes, but rather to have the bot stop and investigate if it is brought to the operator's attention that something potentially controversial had been added to genfixes post approval. I'm going to drop this now, it is clearly not going to fly with you. SpinningSpark 12:40, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
OK, I think some of your ideas are good - I just don't have all the right information answer each point, if you resume this at WT:AWB please ping me in. — xaosflux Talk 12:46, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Files for discussion

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Files for discussion. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry!

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:44, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Eubot redirects

Thanks for getting back to me. I had already gone through the approved runs of Eubot's redirects and did not find any approving this, not only in the wording but in the dates that it was run (December 2008).

From a previous Eubot run, I forget which and excuse me for paraphrasing, but the intent was to "Create redirects to prevent accidental creation of duplicate articles". That is as near as I can remember the wording off the top of my head. Now, to me that is a bit kinda weird anyway, because we WP:SALT articles after ther's a problem, not pre-emptively (I am not an admin, I do not want to be, I am just an editor, that's fine with me).

What I would kinda like is a definitive statement from an admin that "Nope, this never got approved, nor even discussion". The thing is, everything I'm whacking into WP:RFD is "Delete". Of course it is, but actually about 90% of Eubot's redirects were sensible (even though nowaday not useful with improvements to the search engine, but that's a battle for another day, they're harmless but not useful.) The 10% are mostly where Eubot created redirects from redirects, in bizarre ways. It has managed, which I listed tonight, to create an {{R from title without diacritics}} from a {{R from title with diacritics}} to a target which, mirabile dictu, has no diacritics. That kind of nonsense we can do without. Backwards run my sentences now until reels my mind. Si Trew (talk) 23:29, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

These go far back in to wiki-history, creating a redirect was once the preferred method of salting a page, then there was a cludgy method using embedding an empty page to a cascading page (individual admins had these too e.g. User:Xaosflux/JUPE). — xaosflux Talk 00:25, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
What is it you want to achieve? (e.g. an X3 CSD?) — xaosflux Talk 00:28, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Edit conflicts

It seems you did half the page editing that needed to be done to close the Ivanvector RfA. Thanks for the help! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:05, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

I had them all open - but you beat me to the most important one :D — xaosflux Talk 00:10, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
I figured it was something like that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:11, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Mentioned you

Hi Xaosflux, I mentioned you in the arbitration case request (don't worry it's not about you :P), hoping that you might be able to provide some input (I think it was you) paraphrased you. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 08:11, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, replied there - will watch for pings. — xaosflux Talk 12:57, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Yobot evaluation of tasks

Just a summary of the current problem and the solutions I tried seeking for advice: I am willing to give away all tasks that are related to talk pages. Still the only real problem is that Yobot runs unconditionally with CHECKWIKI errors (task 16). All other tasks have very tight skip conditions. Task 16 goes off hand everytime there are changes in CHECKWIKI's code. For error number have been been repurposed. One idea is that I abandon completely task 16 apart from 2-3 errors I have skip conditions. I tried to find other bot operators willing to take over the tasks but this is not easy. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:08, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Magioladitis if it is not working the way you want in certain namespaces, suspend it. I don't think it will impact readers to be suspended, or any significant wikiprocesses? — xaosflux Talk 14:01, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Non-BAG BRFA involvement

At the risk of being very alphabet soup-y, how does the BAG feel about non-BAG BRFA involvement? Is it helpful to you? I likely can never be a BAG member, because I lack technical skills outside of AWB regex, but I'd be happy to occasionally help with patrolling if that saves you time. For instance, I could read through the discussions leading to the bot and note whether consensus appears sufficient or not, endorse/oppose a trial/approval, etc. I'm just not sure if that's actually helpful or whether you'd have to do the same stuff you already do before making a decision. ~ Rob13Talk 09:44, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

All editors are welcome to comment on BRFA's. The format doesn't lead to "NAC" type closures. One area I think is most useful would be in reviewing the "linked discussions" and comments related to if the community consensus that the task "should be done" exists. — xaosflux Talk 12:41, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Cold War

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Happy New Year, Xaosflux!

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Magioladitis.

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thanks

Thanks for taking a peak at my nascent scratch pad of AE/DS reform ideas. It's intended to be a constructive effort, not a bitch session. Can you offer any suggestions or pointers to other venues I should maybe check out? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Infobox country at games

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Category:Catholic lay societies has been nominated for discussion

Category:Catholic lay societies, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:40, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Categories in the bulk-deletion request

Please see WP:ANI#BrownHairedGirl and categories; this is in respect to the recreation of the categories you mass-deleted because of the WP:AN#Bulk delete request, round 1 thread. Nyttend (talk) 02:16, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

@Nyttend: thank you for the note, I made a statement at the case request. — xaosflux Talk 02:45, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the input. Nyttend (talk) 02:52, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

User:InternetArchiveBot/Dead-links.js

Hi, strange problem. I'm trying to add some additional content to this page and it says "Invalid Content" but the content is fine. The page is suspiciously close to 5k in size, do you think there is a page size limit? Trying to add

"{{Website}},
"{{Internet}}

..to the end of the "ignore_tags" record. I made other edits a few minutes earlier no problem, and backed those out and was able to add back in, but can't get past 5k. -- GreenC 04:34, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Green Cardamom  Done from above, you are missing closing "'s. — xaosflux Talk 04:54, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
FYI they can be much larger, see MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js for example. — xaosflux Talk 04:55, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Ahh, time to call it a night :) thanks. -- GreenC 05:29, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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Suggestion for MediaWiki:Pagetriage-welcome and MediaWiki:Newpages-summary

Hi Xaosflux, you and Kudpung had assisted me in placing links to the page curation and special new pages feed scripts on the above pages. I had a suggestion. Instead of giving the direct link to the script, I would recommend that the links be changed to the script documentation pages, which are better in explaining how to install the script, than the script page itself. In others words:

  1. In MediaWiki:Pagetriage-welcome, the line "[[User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js|Use the Page Curation script]]." may be changed to "[[User:Lourdes/PageCuration|Use the Page Curation script]]."
  2. In MediaWiki:Newpages-summary, the line "An alternative [[User:Lourdes/SpecialNewPages.js|script]] is available for the same." may be changed to "An alternative [[User:Lourdes/SpecialNewPages|script]] is available for the same."

Thanks and cheers. Lourdes 08:44, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Lourdes@ I think that is fine - would you leave these as edit requests on those associated talk pages in case anyone else wants to comment? Happy editing, — xaosflux Talk 12:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes. Will do that. Thanks. Lourdes 14:26, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi again Xaosflux, I don't think anyone has replied on those two talk pages till now. Thanks. Lourdes 07:27, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Lourdes I added the edit request templates to attract attention (via a report and a category) if they go uncontested for a few days I'll do them if someone else doesn't do it first. (Several admins patrol Category:Wikipedia fully-protected edit requests and keep it low). — xaosflux Talk 15:48, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Lourdes 17:54, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
I just noticed that Jo-Jo Eumerus has done the requested change. Thanks, ciao Lourdes 18:36, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 January 2017

interface-editor

Hi Xaosflux. I would like to ask for your opinion. I'm planning to propose the creation of an interface-editor right, and I've drafted an RfC at User:Fastily/IE Sandbox. Could you review, give me some feedback, and/or comment on the feasibility of said proposal? Thanks in advance, FASTILY 01:31, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

@Fastily: see User talk:Fastily/IE Sandbox. — xaosflux Talk 03:37, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Wow, this is fantastic! :D I'll definitely incorporate these suggestions into the proposal. Thanks! -FASTILY 06:33, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:New York Daily News

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Miss Universe 2016

Hi kan you add in the awards section the list of winners during the Miss Universe Mindanao tapestry? Phoenix Best Smile - Indonesia, Pearl of Phoenix - Philippines & Miss Phoenix Petroleum - Venezuela. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ph awesome (talkcontribs) 14:45, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I activated an edit request here: Talk:Miss_Universe_2016#Awards, someone will attend to it soon. — xaosflux Talk 14:49, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

20:15, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Indexing user pages

Hi Xaosflux, thought I'd consult you first on this issue.

User space has been noindexed (that's to say, not findable by internet search engines) by default since November 2015.

However, it is still possible to override this by using the magic word or its templated equivalent on a user page. Category:Indexed pages shows nearly 1,000 cases where this has been done. Just looking at the 13 cases listed under K, we find three formatted as articles (Krupa Vara Prasad, Ktv ch, and James 1997/sandbox (sorted to "Koibana Onsen")). There are two pages of javascript to do with WikEd International, that seem to relate to Cacycle; these pages may or may not have a reason to be indexed. The others I would classify as typical unproblematic userpages: one belongs to an arb (Ks0stm) and two others to established users (Kiore and Krishna Chaitanya Velaga) who might want to comment.

New page patrol does have a queue for user pages (Special:NewPagesFeed) which may prevent indexing while unreviewed, as it does for mainspace. In practice though the majority of user pages seem to be going without review and dropping off the back of the queue at the 30-day mark.

Question: should the magic word be disabled in userspace? or are there reasons to continue to allow users, intentionally or not, to have their user pages or draft articles indexed by search engines?: Noyster (talk), 14:22, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

@Noyster: to be intentionally, manually tagged for indexing: I think we should continue to allow this in general. Some people host user scripts, user essays, even their own user page that may want to be found by people on other wiki projects. Now: if someone is using their userspace as an inapproriate webhost (possibly even more easily identified because of manual index tags), MFD or CSD can be swiftly applied. — xaosflux Talk 19:50, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
@Noyster: Thank you for the invitation to the discussion. I agree with Xaosflux that user pages "intentionally, manually tagged for indexing" should be indexed. Unfortunately I can no longer remember why I chose to add the {{INDEX}} to my user page which I did in an isolated edit on 26 December 2015. This does raise an interesting question: Should there be a mechanism so user pages that are to be indexed need to have that periodically reaffirmed? Kiore (talk) 20:12, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
@Kiore: may have been around then when the default index status for User: namespace was changed from index to noindex - maybe you noticed you disappeared from search results. I think that's why I did it - because a search for something like "xaosflux wiki" was turning up results for the piles of other language user pages I have, but not my "primary" one here on enwiki. — xaosflux Talk 20:50, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
If you consider this a legitimate thing for users to want to do then I'm OK with that. It does mean we have to be vigilant for people bypassing the new page patrol apparatus to get their publicity on Google this way: Noyster (talk), 10:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you

The Barnstar of Diligence
I see you working endlessly on so many places, and thought that some positive confirmation wont hurt.
Thanks for all you do for fellow Wikipedians and for the community! Dan Koehl (talk) 17:12, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Misc Question

Hi how can I make make a common pages — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarzan bond (talkcontribs) 06:54, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are asking, I left a banner on your talk page with links to a lot of information. — xaosflux Talk 12:48, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

18:45, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Revocation of TE permission

Hi Xaosflux, please can you remove my template editor permission, for the time being, as per your post earlier in the month. I haven't had the time to continue testing the changes I am making prior, so won't be committing to anything in the near future. Thanks. Nördic Nightfury 14:01, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done If you need it back in the future just drop on over to WP:PERM. — xaosflux Talk 14:03, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Will do. Thanks Nördic Nightfury 14:04, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter - February 2017

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  • When performing some administrative actions the reason field briefly gave suggestions as text was typed. This change has since been reverted so that issues with the implementation can be addressed. (T34950)
  • Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
  • The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.

Arbitration

Obituaries

  • JohnCD (John Cameron Deas) passed away on 30 December 2016. John began editing Wikipedia seriously during 2007 and became an administrator in November 2009.

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace

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Unblocks

Did you actually check the cases where I unblocked Yobot? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:59, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Magioladitis I did not investigate this thoroughly, thus didn't write up a proposal - only commented on another. I amended that comment now to make it conditional that there is actually a finding. — xaosflux Talk 16:05, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. See for example that the first unblock was after contact with the blocking admin User_talk:Magioladitis/Archive_2#Yobot. (Compare the times + see how fast I responded to an error that was not even related to the "cosmetic" problem) I read a lot around but very few evidence that makes me sad. It it also weird for me that I am accussed for something and it s not the accuser who has to prove their allegations but me to dig and prove my "innocence"(?) -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:12, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
See also that the second block was mainly that the blocking admin makes an alternative suggestion User_talk:Magioladitis/Archive_5#Empty_sections_and_See_also_.2F_Further_reading related to the task of tagging empty sections. See that the unblock was in cooperation with the blocking admin, unrelated to "cosmetic" changes and focused in a single task. The third unblock discussion: User_talk:Yobot/Archive_2#Taxobox_.28and_other_infoboxes.29_breaking reveals that the error was fixed 1 day before the block and that I contacted the blocking admin before the unblock. The fourth blockk is also unrelated -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
I was really thining that comment to be an "if" the whole time, just didn't turn it in to words, basically: I don't think you should be de-sysoped but you should probably stay away from the unblock button on yourself going forward and trust if that was explicitly required you would be able to honor it. — xaosflux Talk 16:23, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
While the current policy does not disallow it, I wrote that I gree with that. But I think we should not stay to that and really evaluate if my unblocks evade something and also investigate how is this related to my edits or my bot editing. I think they are unrelated still they are used to create chaos and increase discomfort against me. So we have a pattern of increasing complains based on a series of unrelated events. It' clear to me that none really wants to investigate deeper and till now all statements rely on the "where there's smoke..." scenario. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:12, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

You really have to take some time to check the unblocks before you judge me actions in a span of 10 years. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:00, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Replied at the workshop. I really don't want to hash this out here. — xaosflux Talk 00:51, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Deletions

Thanks for the help. It can't be a common occurrence for the same person to thank you and to use rollback on you for the same edit :-) I envisioned this situation when "Thanks" was new, but for the opposite situation: I requested a confirmation dialogue so that it would be harder to thank vandals. Nyttend (talk) 05:06, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

No worries, I saw the "you were reverted" box and was wondering what was going on :D — xaosflux Talk 05:08, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - newsletter No.2

Hello Xaosflux,
A HUGE backlog

We now have 804 New Page Reviewers!
Most of us requested the user right at PERM, expressing a wish to be able to do something about the huge backlog, but the chart on the right does not demonstrate any changes to the pre-user-right levels of October.

Hitting 17,000 soon

The backlog is still steadily growing at a rate of 150 a day or 4,650 a month. Only 20 reviews a day by each reviewer over the next few days would bring the backlog down to a managable level and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work!
It didn't work in time to relax for the Xmas/New Year holidays. Let's see if we can achieve our goal before Easter, otherwise by Thanksgiving it will be closer to 70,000.

Second set of eyes

Remember that we are the only guardians of quality of new articles, we alone have to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged by non-Reviewer patrollers and that new authors are not being bitten.

Abuse

This is even more important and extra vigilance is required considering Orangemoody, and

  1. this very recent case of paid advertising by a Reviewer resulting in a community ban.
  2. this case in January of paid advertising by a Reviewer, also resulting in a community ban.
  3. This Reviewer is indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry.

Coordinator election

Kudpung is stepping down after 6 years as unofficial coordinator of New Page Patrolling/Reviewing. There is enough work for two people and two coords are now required. Details are at NPR Coordinators; nominate someone or nominate yourself. Date for the actual suffrage will be published later.


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BAG News

BAG News February 2017

Greetings Bot Approvals Group member!

  • 2017 has been busy, with 37 closed BRFA's so far this year.
  • If you have not already, you may want to consider adding Wikipedia:BAG/Status to your watchlist, it is a bot generated list of all in progress requests.
  • There are multiple discussions ongoing at Wikipedia talk:Bot policy regarding updates to portions of the bot policy. Please be sure to follow for any policy changes upcoming.

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Watchlist notice

Unlike AfC, the GOCE, or MilHist projects, for example, New Page Review is a function and one that is established by policy. As an admin I am not aware that I need special permission or a consensus to make this kind of watchlist notice. Please do the community the correct service and revert your revert. And rather quickly please otherwise the New Page Patrol system is going to wallow in future in the typical apathy and anarchy Wikipedia is headed for, and I will personally regret the thousands, (yes thousands) of hours I have spent on it. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:57, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

We are obviously at a disagreement to this, as I mentioned at MediaWiki talk:Watchlist-details prior to you making an administrative edit to the notice without discussing. Will leave this for an uninvolved administrator to deal with now. — xaosflux Talk 01:04, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
@Kudpung: I tagged that talk for edit request to attract patrolling admins. — xaosflux Talk 01:24, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 6 February 2017

19:46, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Rangeblock

Hi Xaosflux. You previously helped with this in Katie's abscence. Please could you re-block, and if possible, for longer? The evidence is here. First IP after the last 10-day block expired was reported and blocked. The third IP was back today, and as you can see from their contribution history, making less than helpful edits. Any questions, please ping me or drop a note on my talkpage. Thanks. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 18:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Lugnuts 180.234.0.0/16 has been blocked for a month this time. — xaosflux Talk 20:41, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 07:41, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

WP:RFPI

Thank you - please put article in the sandbox. Arigo (talk) 15:38, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Question

Hi, on 4 February I noticed this and today (8 February) I noticed this, is it a coincidence? Do you edit from a mobile device? Sorry I'm just curious.. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 18:52, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Vejvančický I found where mine came from, some of the examples on other projects for using the Special:ApiSandbox have a manual link to enwiki Talk:Main page, I've been changing them to the sandbox page when I find them. — xaosflux Talk 21:50, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
I've added a warning edit filter, hopefully will put a stop to this. See Filter 838 log for any hits. — xaosflux Talk 22:05, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
@Vejvančický: looks like it's working stopped one already Log838. — xaosflux Talk 18:44, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Yes, thank you, I noticed the IP attempt yesterday. To me, it's still a bit puzzling but I'm not a technical person so it probably doesn't matter :) --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 05:37, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Import of de:Harald Sicheritz to Harald Sicheritz

Again, thanks. @References - do they have to be translated as well? @Weblinks - why does my Wikipedia username show up as .../with my name. How to get rid of it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arigo (talkcontribs) 14:54, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

@Arigo: User:Arigo/Harald Sicheritz is a subpage of your otherwise not created userpage User:Arigo. For references, the actual name of references should not be translated, but the meta data about them (such as access date, publication date) should be. — xaosflux Talk 18:39, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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Admin list

Re this, it's a perfect job for a bot. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:51, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I was thinking that, but we did want to let them opt-out and the changes happen so rarely. — xaosflux Talk 13:03, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
True. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:25, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
If wanted, I could write a bot to maintain WP:ADMINMMS, Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter list, and similar MMS lists, adding/removing from rights changes, which would allow users opt-out. — JJMC89(T·C) 04:39, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
NPR list may have a lot more activity - however I'm not sure if having patrol rights is a requirement for being on that list or not? — xaosflux Talk 13:03, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
I don't know that it is a requirement. In any case, I wasn't planning on having the bot remove those without patroller. It would go through the log and add those granted patroller and remove those that had patroller removed. The admin list could have the requirement of must have sysop. — JJMC89(T·C) 04:16, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Since that list has no requirements, no longer being in that group may not be sufficient to remove someone - is that the currently established practice? — xaosflux Talk 12:55, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Having gone through the logs back to the creation of the list, only one user (excluding +sysop) has not been removed after patroller was removed. — JJMC89(T·C) 20:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
May want to ask the folks over at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers what they want done with that. — xaosflux Talk 21:03, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Anyone is free to add themselves to the New Page Review message list or remove themselves from it. Blocked and banned users are generally removed as well as users who have their rights revoked. It's generally considered to be one of the tasks for the NPR coordinators. But that's up to them. I don't see a need for a bot to automatically administer the list. It's already added to automatically when an admin creates a new rights holder using the user rights management tool. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:21, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Kudpung - hope that clears things up - doesn't look like we need a bot to do any of this right now. — xaosflux Talk 22:27, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - newsletter No.3

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Hello sir

I was wondering if you could please kindly take a little time from your busy schedule and visit my new article Reverend King Ezeugo

I would really be grateful if you can give me some insight, e.g if you think it's lacking in some areas, If you think I should include more inline stations, if you think I should add more content in some categories etc It would really really be appreciated, but perhaps you are way too busy and cannot assist at the moment. I equally understand.

Thank you. Celestina007 (talk) 12:15, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

  • (talk page watcher) @Celestina007: It's rather good. Very intersting. But I suggest it will need some tightening, perhaps a little re-writing in the main section; and mainly sourcing every sentence of that section which will need such to avoid any hint of WP:BLPVIO- as there are some pretty strong claims being made! And yes, cats, formatting, etc, but that can be left until last. It's the floridity that needs addressing primarilly  :) have a great day! O Fortuna!...Imperatrix mundi. 12:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2017

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2017).

Administrator changes

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  • A bot will now automatically place a protection template on protected pages when admins forget to do so.

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Bit removal request

This users access to ACC has been suspended, could you please remove the Account_Creator flag from their account. Thanx, - Mlpearc (open channel) 17:48, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

 Donexaosflux Talk 19:15, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much. :) - Mlpearc (open channel) 19:23, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

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RFA by year page

Hi Xaosflux, should I have updated this page or should this be done by a crat as I appear to be missing. Amortias (T)(C) 22:29, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

@Amortias: feel free to update it with accurate information. The page 'crats tend to update is Wikipedia:Successful requests for adminship. — xaosflux Talk 23:39, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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User:Mifter/Protection Test

Hi Xaosflux, I wanted to drop you a note in regards to User:Mifter/Protection Test. My goal with the page actually was to cascade protect the main page to add a bit of protection considering we have seen compromised Sysops unprotect/modify the protection on the Main Page as it adds another step that a compromised account would have to take and might slow down/minimize the risk that the MP would be open to vandalism. Checking now, it looks like when I moved page to fix a typo the rationale got left in the original location. We currently have WP:CASC which is a collection of what we used to do in the userspace regarding cascade protecting high risk images/templates but I wanted to make this separate as a compromised sysop unprotecting CASC (to remove the cascade protection from the main page) could cause even more damage to the other items on that page. On that, I wanted to hear your thoughts on creating a subpage (or several like we have with Main Page/1, Main Page/2, etc.) to cascade protect the main page and make it more difficult for a compromised account to unprotect the Main Page in the future? Mifter (talk) 18:23, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

@Mifter: Hi Mifter, gotcha, that one looked like a temporary test; we do have a centralized cascade page you could use though - Wikipedia:Cascade-protected items/content. Does that work for you? — xaosflux Talk 18:43, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
I figured as much as it initially was a test (to make sure the multi-layer cascade didn't reveal anything odd in the software). My concern is that using the centralized cascade page could lead to a compromised account unprotecting the whole cascade page (to remove the cascade on the Main page) whereas a subpage keeps the halo protection on the MP but if a compromised account unprotects it to get rid of the cascade it does not expose the other high risk pages/images on the centralized page. I'm planning to create a subpage of WP:CASC for just the main page to strike a better balance. Mifter (talk) 20:10, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
I've created and protected the subpages (five total similarly as we have done with the Main Page itself). Mifter (talk) 20:35, 25 March 2017 (UTC)


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broken accountcreator template

Hi, I don't know which template you used but it (or invocation thereof) seems broken. special:diff/772687056 cc Ibaimendi --Jeremyb (talk) 19:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

@Jeremyb: thanks for the note, looks like its been broken - removed that section for now in Special:Diff/772883135. — xaosflux Talk 22:34, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Main Page

Hey, you're an admin, right? Well, I figured I'd alert you about a situation on the Did you Know section on the main page. I'd estimate that about ~2 million people know that thrust into a difficult situation, Horney Dicks failed to satisfy. I suspect this as vandalism, though it's not listed on the edit history. It's location is the last did you know on the did you know section. Greasemann (talk) 01:06, 1 April 2017 (UTC)Greasemann

@Greasemann: - check the date this is likely part of WP:FOOLS - and the main page content may be a bit "silly" today - however if it is factually inaccurate please post to WP:ERRORS for review. — xaosflux Talk 01:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2017

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2017).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

  • Following a discussion on the backlog of unpatrolled files, consensus was found to create a new user right for autopatrolling file uploads. Implementation progress can be tracked on Phabricator.
  • The BLPPROD grandfather clause, which stated that unreferenced biographies of living persons were only eligible for proposed deletion if they were created after March 18, 2010, has been removed following an RfC.
  • An RfC has closed with consensus to allow proposed deletion of files. The implementation process is ongoing.
  • After an unsuccessful proposal to automatically grant IP block exemption, consensus was found to relax the criteria for granting the user right from needing it to wanting it.

Technical news

  • After a recent RfC, moved pages will soon be featured in a queue similar to Special:NewPagesFeed and require patrolling. Moves by administrators, page movers, and autopatrolled editors will be automatically marked as patrolled.
  • Cookie blocks have been deployed. This extends the current autoblock system by setting a cookie for each block, which will then autoblock the user if they switch accounts, even under a new IP.


See, I tried that

I tried so many things and nothing worked. You just learned what I already knew: the internet is terrible. CityOfSilver 15:39, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Should be good now. — xaosflux Talk 15:42, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Ping

You've got mail. RivertorchFIREWATER 17:13, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Replied by email. — xaosflux Talk 17:15, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


Fools stuff

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Accusation

I am really sorry for accusing you of creating a hoax! I didnt notice you are a bureaucrat. Plus there was a indef blocked account with similar name. And the most important? I had forgotten it is April Fool's! Kostas20142 (talk) 15:12, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

No worries, I probably should have added the humor tag on the top of that at first. — xaosflux Talk 15:14, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

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V-steaming

You wouldn't be the first to question my knowledge of vaginas. Drmies (talk) 17:07, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

@Drmies: Ha! That was not my question! — xaosflux Talk 17:09, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

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17:53, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

RfA Redux

I'm trying not to pester editors who've opposed my RfA, but I'm curious about your statement, "You mention working with patrolling of edit by new users, but I notice you have not really been involved in patrolling new pages (barely any patrols or page curations in recent years logged). You mention working with anti vandalism, but have very little actual vandalism cleanup logged. Since several supporters specifically cite anti-vandalism work, the tools that I've created have been specifically aimed at helping my patrolling activities and even one of the opposers cites RC patrol ("in which it is relatively easy to make larger numbers of edits") as a reason for opposition, I'm wondering what exactly the problem is here? It feels a bit like I just don't use the patrolling / anti-vandal tools you expect me to. GoldenRing (talk) 14:24, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

In brief, I expect admin candidates that include patrolling or anti-vandalism background statements to have significant logged contributions in these areas. — xaosflux Talk 15:58, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Bureaucrat discussion - GoldenRing

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Hi @Samwalton9, Dane, and Ks0stm: I split some of your comments between the original thread and this new thread so that it can have a longer discussion when the original eventually ends. If any of you object to this refactoring of your comments, feel free to revert my entire edit. (It is a little 'out of the box'). — xaosflux Talk 00:42, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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Request

Would it be possible to block my IP range (2001:8003:30E5:BB00::/64) from editing for 6 months, as required by my school teacher because she thinks I'm not competent enough to edit Wikipedia. Thank you for your help if you can. --2001:8003:30E5:BB00:35D2:621F:F7E1:6245 (talk) 06:32, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello BB00, while technically possible, we don't issue rangeblocks preemptively as they could impact other people if the range is reallocated. You can certainly just not press the edit button if you don't want to edit; blocks have no impact on reading pages. Additionally, there are unblock requests active in this range already (e.g. User talk:2001:8003:30E5:BB00:DD7C:8852:3152:F01B). — xaosflux Talk 11:52, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Blacklist

Hey Xaosflux, could you please remove the blacklist for the specific phone number "1-800-273-8255"? I wish to redirect 1-800-273-8255 to National Suicide Prevention Lifeline and I want to make 1-800-273-8255 (song) a redirect to Everybody (Logic album) with the "r with possibilities" tag. Cheers, Anarchyte (work | talk) 13:31, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

@Anarchyte: The blacklist was for an entire pattern, not just the number - as this is very explicit I created the pages as redirects for you (instead of making a whitelist override for just 1 number); now that they are created you may edit them normally. Hope this works for you, if not let me know. — xaosflux Talk 15:08, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, that works fine! Anarchyte (work | talk) 15:48, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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Small fix post some global deprecations

Hello Xaosflux, as the page User:Lourdes/SpecialNewPages.js is protected, I needed your assistance in making a small change to the script:

Please change the first line of the script from:

$( document ).ready( function() {

to

$.when( mw.loader.using( ['mediawiki.util'] ), $.ready ).done( function() {

TheDJ has already done this change to the other parallel script User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js.

Thanks. Lourdes 01:05, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@Lourdes: This is  Donexaosflux Talk 01:48, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Lourdes 02:37, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

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I appreciate your vigilance around the study pages I created on testwiki. Just a quick heads up that I have been using my volunteer account as well as my work account (User:Jmorgan (WMF)) to edit those test pages. Apologies for the confusion; the dual account use is an artifact of where the code that updates the pages is hosted. I'll make sure to clean up after myself. Cheers, J-Mo 22:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jtmorgan: I'm sorry for any confusion - I was actually having a problem with rollback and recent changes and was trying to fix it on testwiki - any of those edits/reverts I made can be completely ignored or re-added at anytime. — xaosflux Talk 00:54, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

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Help with mass messaging

Hi! I'm trying to run an edit-a-thon and I was wondering if you could help me with sending a mass message to a couple of groups/categories. I looked at the mass message page but I was very confused about many things and I found your username on that talk page. Thanks! 80atUO (talk) 18:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@80atUO: I can probably help - few basic questions:
  1. where are the current list(s) of people that you want to GET the message?
  2. How did people get on these lists? (That is - is it reasonable to think they expect to get mass messages, for example project members of a wikiproject vs everyone in Category:Wikipedians with public domain text contributions (minor edits only))
  3. Have you already written the message you want to send? If so where is it?

xaosflux Talk 20:16, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Xaosflux:
  1. This is what I am confused about, I'm not sure how to create a list but I do have one wikiproject and one user group I would like to send this message to.
@80atUO: I can help you make your list, ping the the pages that include the people. — xaosflux Talk 21:39, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
  1. The people got on these lists because they are part of a wikiproject or alumni of the University that is hosting this edit-a-thon.
  2. I have the message in my sand box.
What should I do from here? thanks!80atUO (talk) 20:39, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Also, the page that has the message. — xaosflux Talk 21:39, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: what do you mean by page? Am I supposed to create an event page first? 80atUO (talk) 21:43, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
@Xaosflux:I have added some information to a meetup page, but I'm not sure if I did it right [236] 80atUO (talk) 22:07, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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Email from me

Hello. I sent you an email. --George Ho (talk) 13:50, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho:  Donexaosflux Talk 15:31, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Another email. --George Ho (talk) 18:02, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

 Donexaosflux Talk 21:08, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Double thanks. George Ho (talk) 22:13, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Content model change request

Hey xaosflux. Please change the content model of User:Magic links bot/config/MagicLinksReplacer and User:JJMC89 bot/config/UserGroupsMassMessageListUpdater to JSON. — JJMC89(T·C) 04:18, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@JJMC89: User:JJMC89 bot/config/UserGroupsMassMessageListUpdater is  Done; User:Magic links bot/config/MagicLinksReplacer is  Not done - it has Invalid content data - looks like a missing set of {}'s. Ping me after updating if you would like. — xaosflux Talk 12:53, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I've removed part of it until it is converted to JSON. — JJMC89(T·C) 19:30, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
@JJMC89:,  Donexaosflux Talk 19:40, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I forgot to escape the \'s. — JJMC89(T·C) 19:50, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

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Request

Would you be willing to look into this: [248], I am also troubled by this edit: [249]. It appears as if a Muslim faith editor was offended. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:57, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Knowledgekid87: it looks like this is now open at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:El_cid.2C_el_campeador_reported_by_User:Vice_regent_.28Result:_.29 - I'm at work right now so can't research much right now, but the admins at that noticeboard can. — xaosflux Talk 15:11, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Okay thanks! - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:13, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I just have a few questions...

Hello, Xaosflux.

I see you've been on Wikipedia for a while (not to mention you're an admin and a Bureaucrat.), so I thought I could trust you to answer some questions for me. Now, I am not all that new to Wikipedia and editing, but do I have to be autoconfirmed/confirmed to use the 'Twinkle' gadget now? 2: I am thinking of making an article, though I am not the best with formatting on Wikipedia, particulalry. Any tips or shortcuts I can Use? Thank you for your time, and I hope you can get back to me soon!

-User:SkepticSalmon 2017-05-23T15:29:23‎

@SkepticSalmon: Wikipedia:Twinkle has information on Twinkle, and yes you need to be autoconfirmed to use it; this occurs automatically 96 hours (4 days) after you register, provided you have made at least 10 edits. Wikipedia:Your first article has a lot of information on how to write your first article. Most editors start making updates to existing articles, copyediting, etc - but that is not required. — xaosflux Talk 15:34, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

2017 Manchester Arena bombing

Hello! Having attempted to discuss the matter (which, as I noted, was discussed beforehand), and having received no response after more than a day, I redid the move for the reasons cited. I then noticed the protection and self-reverted immediately.

If you wouldn't mind reading my explanation and deciding whether the protection is still needed, I'd sincerely appreciate it. Thanks very much. —David Levy 05:33, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@David Levy: Please note, that section was already archived. I suggest you reopen the discussion (or just start a new section) and give it some time for discussion. Unlike the move from "incident" to "bombing" moving from 2017 Manchester Arena bombing to Manchester Arena bombing does not appear to have impact on reader presentation or search results requiring heightened urgency; allowing for a discussion to be open for more than a few hours would be appropriate. I'm not personally inclined towards one title or the other. As your prior move was reverted - attempting discussion is advisable now. — xaosflux Talk 11:57, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Note: that few hours was in regards to the original move discussion that was attended to by many editors - your last discussion was really just your statement, there was no response from the person you posed the question to - or any other editor at all. — xaosflux Talk 12:00, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Indeed. My move – of the sort usually regarded as uncontroversial, with no advance discussion required – was reverted by the editor who'd previously moved the article to its current title in response to the discussion mentioned above. He claimed that I'd performed an undiscussed move unilaterally, despite the fact that matter was addressed by numerous users in the aforementioned discussion (both inside and outside a dedicated subthread), with most agreeing that "2017" should be omitted from the title. He'd acted on this discussion without providing a written assessment of its outcome (including any analysis of the matter in question), and it was closed shortly thereafter (before I'd even seen it).
Nonetheless, I honored his request by "attempting discussion". I pinged him and replied to his message with a detailed explanation of why my move was appropriate and consistent with a longstanding policy. I also and copied and pasted the handful of objections raised in the move request's subsection (including one that was valid but reflected an unrelated concern, one based on a rationale that the community has rejected consistently, and one with essentially no expressed rationale at all) and provided detailed responses thereto. This consumed a nontrivial portion of my evening and delayed my sleep.
As you noted above, I received no replies (from the individual demanding discussion or anyone else), and the section was archived.
At this point, I've invested vastly more time in the matter than is normally expected; this is a routine piece of housekeeping, ordinarily performed on-sight with no discussion whatsoever and little or no controversy. Editors unfamiliar with our naming conventions frequently are unaware that we omit the year unless disambiguation is required, so many articles are affected. Correcting this error is more akin to fixing a typo than it is to the sort of substantive issues typically addressed in move requests. If every instance required its own discussion, I'm not sure that I'd have time for much else at Wikipedia.
To be clear, the above isn't intended to come across as hostile. I'm frustrated with the situation, not with my fellow editors. —David Levy 15:17, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
(I'm at work, but wanted to give you at least a short reply right now) - I think you best course of action is to unarchive your discussion and let it sit for a day or 2, assuming noone still cares you can complete the rename without expending much energy. — xaosflux Talk 15:31, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I'll follow this advice. Sincere thanks for taking time out of your day to provide it. —David Levy 15:37, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

1-800-273-8255 (song)

You're the admin who created the redirect for the Logic song, can you create the talk page for the song too? Thanks. JustDoItFettyg (talk) 23:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@JustDoItFettyg: -  Donexaosflux Talk 23:20, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Sic

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Oliver Hammam

Thanks for your reply on village pump and action taken to stop this editor. When I made my suggestion on Villega pump I already suspected this editor was not a resource for Wikipedia, but by rephrasing your earlier suggestion I hoped he might understand (assuming good faith against the odd ;-). Clearly not working - so blocking is in order. (above not something for general talks so I posted it here). Cheers Arnoutf (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

12:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Cheers!

Thanks for rev-del'ing that spam on WP:Articles for creation/Redirects. Shearonink (talk) 13:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Mass Message sending

Hello Xaosflux! I have messaged you because I made two mass message requests to the group WikiProject YouTube, which I would like you to send. I am forwarding you these requests, because it looks like since March 17, 2017, you have been the only one sending out mass-message requests. To see the requests, click here. Thank you for your time. Jamesjpk (talk) 15:21, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Edit filter help

Any chance you could help with this request? I know nothing about regex and writing filters, so I'm not sure how to implement this. It just needs to tag them so they are more noticeable. I'm asking because I've seen you edit other edit filters. Thanks in advance for any help. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:24, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Replied at that page. — xaosflux Talk 18:29, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

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Blank talk pages

I notice you're deleting blank talk pages - thanks for that. Please look the contributions of Emmy Expert (talk · contribs), it seems that they've been creating lots of them. – Train2104 (t • c) 13:24, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

@Train2104: I was doing some cleanup where a page was blanked with only one author (WP:CSD#G7) - strictly worded this does not cover general deletion of talk pages, however there really is no good reason for mass creating blank talk pages either - have you asked that editor what is going on? — xaosflux Talk 13:46, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, to get a sorry and a removal shortly thereafter, with no change in behavior. – Train2104 (t • c) 13:48, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Why??

Why did you delete this talk page?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Chess_museums&action=edit&section=new

IQ125 (talk) 17:07, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@IQ125: I was doing a batch of general cleanups - this appears to be a page created in error from the history where you blanked it seconds after creating:
2016-11-26T11:00:30 . . IQ125 (talk | contribs | block) (empty) (←Blanked the page)
2016-11-26T11:00:03 . . IQ125 (talk | contribs | block) (47 bytes)
2016-11-26T10:59:42 . . IQ125 (talk | contribs | block) (48 bytes) ({{WikiProject Chess|class=Start|importance=Low}}) 
If you have any content/tags/etc that you want on that page, feel free to recreate it. — xaosflux Talk 18:44, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi, just put the page back, I cannot remember what was on it anymore, it was not created in error. IQ125 (talk) 19:13, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@IQ125: OK, Category talk:Chess museums is restored - take a look, it is literally a blank page. You put a banner on it, and then removed the banner 48 seconds after you added it, leaving it blank last year. Feel free to put anything useful there. — xaosflux Talk 19:20, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

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page recreation request and redirection remove request

Hello sir as per discussion i will follow wikipedia guideline. Before posting school(Rawat Public School CBSE,Rawat Public School pratap nagar jaipur, Rawat public school) article one of my friend who operate multiple account did not follow guideline .

Please give me permission for edit page with name Rawat Public School CBSE and please remove Account with name @Sharmaraj123: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayushjain772 (talkcontribs) 17:48, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Page redirected

hello sir, As i will write article and revision according wikipedia guideline . so please remove redirection rule from this page and give me a chance to edit my rawat public school page The page Rawat Public School CBSE already exists, but is a redirect to Jaipur. Can i edit it again ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayushjain772 (talkcontribs) 17:52, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Ayushjain772:. The page you mentioned (Rawat Public School CBSE) is not protected and can be edited already; however I strongly recommend you review Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rawat Public School, Pratap Nagar, Jaipur first as a community discussion already determined that this page was not appropriate. As far as User:Sharmaraj123 goes, we don't delete user accounts - just stop using it. — xaosflux Talk 17:58, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


Thank you for your suggestion (Rawat Public School CBSE) i' editing it please give me permission waiting for approval — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayushjain772 (talkcontribs) 16:55, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

@Ayushjain772: There should be no permissions required - are you getting a permission error of some sort? — xaosflux Talk 17:08, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

i'm afraid from page redirection so asking you that i can edit it again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayushjain772 (talkcontribs) 17:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

{[re|Ayushjain772}} if you are having a technical issue, let me know and I'll be happy to look in to it. If you are looking for permission to make a content related edit I'm the the one to ask - bring it up at the associated talk pages of the articles. — xaosflux Talk 17:38, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Elegie

Elegie has been diligently plugging away at converting http external links to https in templates. In the course of this work Elegie has met the criteria for the TE privilege. I see no reason for Elegie's work to need a second pair of eyes - the requests have always been carefully prepped. I've encouraged an application & just now added a refresher to the conversation. Can you think of a way to encourage an application? Perhaps the assessment of an admin who regularly hands out TE would help? Thanks, Cabayi (talk) 09:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

@Cabayi: I'm a little on the fence about this here's why: a cursory check of their contributions looks like they meet the checkboxes, however their actual template/module related work appears to be limited to these minor http[s] changes which doesn't represent an understanding of complicated template syntax or LUA programming. That could also mean they know their limits - and I don't think they would break things but they may actually prefer the safety net of edit requests. A statement to the effect of what their future template/module editing plans are may go a long way if included with a PERM request. — xaosflux Talk 11:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section

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Title blacklist

Hi, could you please remove Hōkūleʻa from the blacklist? I closed this but was unable to move it to its new location. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:39, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

 Donexaosflux Talk 11:03, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Bot task??

Please read my latest comments. The regex I use now fxes the ons left unfixed by the bots. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:57, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

The request: Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/New page reviewer

Please look the review - click here. - Prinsipe Ybarro (Talk to me) 08:51, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

This was already closed by another admin. — xaosflux Talk 11:32, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

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It involves discussion about private filter 860, so that's why I sent you an email. —MRD2014 01:51, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

@MRD2014: I've made an adjustment. — xaosflux Talk 02:27, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. It may need further adjustment because I've seen vandals become more creative in order to evade the filter. Not right now, but maybe in the future. —MRD2014 02:32, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Certainly, I don't think they are wiki-savy, so if you see others, feel free to drop a diff here. — xaosflux Talk 02:34, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for helping me with my login problem. I already thanked you on the other page, but I felt the need to do so on your page as well, because good things deserve recognition. At first I felt you underestimated my problem by giving me a standard suggestion, and I'm sorry if I seemed to reply a bit harshly to that (being a programmer I had the impression you were thinking about me as a newbie), but after that you've still been very kind and you gave me the solution I needed. I don't know you but I gave a quick look to your user page now and it appears you're a very good administrator and more than that, I'm glad I've been lucky enough to get my problem report to be read by someone as experienced as you. The only thing that's still outstanding is my report on Wikidata (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Talk:Q4010562), I hope someone knows how to deal with that because there's no way in the world I'm going to click on a Wikidata link ever again, given what happened the first and only time I ventured there.
Best regards, and thanks again :)
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@Nineko: good to hear you are fixed, this looks to be a software bug that a fix will soon be deployed for. Regarding Q4010562, I've dissociated the entries and they are no longer linked at w:en:Via (album) or w:it:Via (Claudio Baglioni) - thank you for bringing attention to that error. Now that your hash is updated you should be able to safely go to wikidata again. I've logged your case to the existing bug report as well. Happy editing, — xaosflux Talk 01:29, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Also, that may be your first attempt to edit on wikidata, but your first visit (logged in post-central auth deployment) was 4 years ago. (see here). You have an unusual number of "visits" on your central auth; these normally only appear for people that have deliberately run a script to attach to every project - I had a hard time finding a project you had never visited to get you working! — xaosflux Talk 01:37, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that, I have to admit that when the central login thing kicked in, I somehow misunderstood how it worked, and I thought I had to visit every possible Wikipedia and every possible related project to make it work, which (believe me or not) I did by hand and not with a script, it took me a good while to do so, too (I later realised I didn't need to do it, which, incidentally, made it possible to solve my login issue). To be honest I completely forgot I visited Wikidata too, and even though there might not be problems for me to go there again, I'm still happier that someone more experienced than me could handle the "Via" song/album issue, though, as I'm not completely sure how Wikidata works and what I should have edited to fix the entry. I might be a programmer and I can administrate websites, yes, but some of Wikipedia's internal workings are still a mystery to me, one I'm not sure I want to unfold :)
Thanks again for everything.
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You are most welcome! — xaosflux Talk 01:58, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Anarchyte

Hello. Just a friendly heads up that you didn't actually promote him; the mop switch is still in the "off" position. 😇 --Dylan620 (I'm all ears) (Chris Cornell 1964–2017) 13:05, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@Dylan620: It was stuck in the container had to get some bolt cutters! (Actually the interface seemed to get mad when I added and removed in one step, fixed it right before you messaged). — xaosflux Talk 13:08, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Ghar Wapsi

Xaosflux, I'm a little confused about this deletion. Sure, it was created by a blocked sock, but the last revision contained some substantive discussions about the page title and the sources. Surely keeping it serves a better purpose than deletion? Vanamonde (talk) 05:33, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: than you for letting me know, this one was deleted in error and has been restored. That sock had a large batch of 0-byte empty pages they created, this was not intended to be removed. — xaosflux Talk 11:21, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
No worries, and thank you. Vanamonde (talk) 11:26, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm going back through that entire batch today, looks like there was a problem with my query - any other of that group that had any other comment will be restored as well. — xaosflux Talk 11:28, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93:  Done Thanks again - that mess should be all cleaned up now. — xaosflux Talk 11:41, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

pls

have a look - I think it needs exterminating User:2001:8003:1006:7400:8DE2:9C6D:B2F6:508C and its edits zapped, just an idea of course... JarrahTree 11:28, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@JarrahTree:  Done and  Donexaosflux Talk 11:30, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you much appreciated - great when that stuff goes before it sits there like... JarrahTree 11:32, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Rights

Take a look at https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/19881

Some of them may need to be removed. XXN, 18:26, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@XXN: Hi, I actually did a batch of these earlier (c.f. Wikipedia:Database reports/Blocked users in user groups for an automated report) - blocking alone isn't "cause" to remove groups for most of the low security groups, as sometimes editors become unblocked and can resume where they left off. We do occasionally clean these out - but slowly. I starred your query though, looks like it ran fairly quick. — xaosflux Talk 19:45, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Hmm, I didn't knew about that reports page. I just saw that you have removed the rights of a recently blocked sock and I thinked it might be of interest for you to see the whole list of potential candidates to be left without rights :) --XXN, 20:16, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Single-payer_healthcare

Xaosflux,

That seems to solve the problem. Thanks.

--Nbauman (talk) 23:47, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

It was a team effort - glad we could help! — xaosflux Talk 23:51, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

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User:Lourdes/SpecialNewPages.js

Hi Xaosflux. Hope you're doing well. Can you please assist in changing one function in User:Lourdes/SpecialNewPages.js (I've replaced a deprecated function)?

Please change

mw.util.wikiGetlink('Special:NewPages/hidepatrolled'),

to

mw.util.getUrl('Special:NewPages/hidepatrolled'),

Thanks. Lourdes 16:44, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done @Lourdes: all set! — xaosflux Talk 00:33, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you :) Lourdes 00:46, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Xaosflux, regarding these two revision deletions [285] [286], I don't believe that RD6 applies. The intention of that criteria is that it applies to mistakes in previous redactions not administrator actions. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 07:24, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@Callanecc: I made some adjustments, - I referenced the wrong change reason the first time and didn't want that attached to that user unnecessarily - take a look at the public display that is now showing here: Special:UserRights/Polyporales. If you still object I'll revert that last one as well. — xaosflux Talk 11:20, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
I guess there's a technical policy issue, but IAR would absolutely apply to this bit (now that it's clear what you were doing - fixing). Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 03:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for feedback, will call this done for now. — xaosflux Talk 03:54, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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Please stop thte bot!

It is current changing "X architecture in New York" to "X architecture in New York (state)", but it needs to differentiate between places in New York state and places in New York City, otherwise someone is going to have to do it later. The ambiguity betwen "New York" meaning the city and "New York" meaning the state is not being solved with these changes, it is simply all being pushed into the state, which is not correct. Please stop the bot's run. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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"hide bots"

Can you tell me how to hide bots? I can't even figure out how to easily detect them, let alone hide them. If you just meant hide edits made under a bot flag, that's easy but almost useless: the complaints about Mag.* were substantially about edits made under his main account flooding watchlists, plus the perennial pseudo-debate about whether AWB is a bot (depending on what mode it's in etc). In the last Mag case I remember learning that lots of AWB edits are identified in the edit summary, but lots more aren't.

If I haven't looked at an article in a while, I like to look at its history since last time, to see how editors have changed it (i.e. the series of creative human decisions steering the article's development). That means I want to ignore every automated edit of any sort, not just the ones made under bot flags. Any advice is appreciated! Thanks.

173.228.123.121 (talk) 09:00, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi 173.228.123.121. Hidebots is not a standard feature of page histories, it is for Special:RecentChanges and Special:Watchlists. Watchlists are only available for editors with an account. Account holders can also use user scripts to hide things client-side on their watchlists, see Wikipedia:Customizing watchlists. You could possibly make a localhost set of javascripts/cascading style sheets to modify your client without an account. The 'bot assertion' flag is not stored in the page history, only in the recent changes tables used by watchlists recent changes feeds. It would be possible, but could be locally processing intense, for you to write a custom script that would hide page history based on string matches for usernames, or recursive queries of each editor to pull their groups. I don't recommend trying to hide only 'bots' on a history view - for example you would still have the line for vandals, but not the line showing that their vandalism was reverted (by a bot). — xaosflux Talk 11:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, and good point about the vandal reversion bots, though there are only a few bots to do that, so I could make exceptions for them. I looked at recent changes just now and I do see a link to hide or unhide bot edits. But, I thought that only meant the edit was made under a bot flag: is that right?
  • I thought that it was possible for bot operators (when using a bot account holding the bot permission) to turn off the bot flag for particular edits, when they do want the edits to be on recent changes. So the presence of a bot permission in the user rights doesn't always mean the edit would be hidden by recent changes under "hide bots". I'm not sure of this though.
  • Is it possible to randomly access the recent changes log? I.e. can I easily tell from it whether a given 3 year old edit would have been hidden?
  • One of the contentions in the ongoing arb case is about Magioladitis running bots on his main account. That account has never been in the bot group, so hide bots on recent changes wouldn't have hidden them.
  • It sounds like not storing the bot assertion in the edit history is a loss of information that probably should be fixed in the server code.
I have plenty of local processing power so the approach of getting the user groups is doable, but I don't see how to handle the case where a given account makes a mixture of bot edits and "real" edits, and I only want to see the real ones. "Hide bots" even if I could use it doesn't seem to help much with this problem. 173.228.123.121 (talk) 00:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Accounts with bot access "may" flag their edits as bot (and if they use the webapi it is the default); generally they are expected to with some specific exceptions. As far as editors you don't want to see - you can hide them from your watchlist with javascript, or you can hide things based on summaries (like "using AWB") - this is not foolproof. Some of these features are best done with integrated userscripts, but you will need to create an account to use that. For logged out users, bots are hidden by default on Special:RecentChanges - you can toggle it with the "show bots/hide bots" options. The recent changes tables are only 30 days old, 'bot assertions' are not part of attribution requirements and are not stored in page histories. In general, editors are not expected to make high-speed minor edits. Normal edits usually use the webui, so would not be flagged as "bot" - as they would have to specifically unflag every single edit use a uri parameter to not-flag an edit. — xaosflux Talk 00:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks again. Thinking about it further, what I really want amounts to a Turing test on edits, so I can't expect the wiki software to do that. I.e. I don't want to ignore all the edits of user XYZ, but only the automated ones, which requires being able to tell them apart, and there is no explicit metadata I can use for that (I can think up some heuristics). It's unfortunate that the bot assertion isn't stored in the page history: was that a deliberate decision? There's all kinds of important metadata in the page history that aren't needed for pure attributional purposes, and the bot assertion is something I'd have wanted to keep.

Separately, are you saying most automated edits these days are made by browser scripts through the web ui? I would have expected them to use the editing API, but that info doesn't seem to be preserved either. 173.228.123.121 (talk) 01:57, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

From a statistical point, "most" automated edits would be made via the writeapi, and most common bot frameworks include using the bot assertion flag. If using the webui, they would specifically have to unflag an edit. For example I run a bot that performs various tasks on multiple projects and languages. Occasionally I will do the task manually using the webui, logged in as my bot - I don't have to specifically declare it as a bot edit. There are a collection on enhancement requests being discussed regarding history data and even hide bots. You can follow or join in the discussion at this phab:T18228 task, and its related tasks. Please note, adding to phabricator discussions does require creating an account. — xaosflux Talk 03:01, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Especially: phab:T13181. — xaosflux Talk 03:02, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks once more! I'll look at those Phab tickets. 173.228.123.121 (talk) 03:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

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Interesting

I'm assuming this is your playground — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.186.67.54 (talk) 15:00, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello. This is a User talk page. Every editor has one and it can be used to ask questions, leave messages, etc. — xaosflux Talk 15:49, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Yobot 53

Since I replied to Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 53. Should we revive the discussion about approving it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:24, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Magioladitis: as task 53 is only marked as expired, feel free to revert the expiration and relist at anytime or create a new task if it will be significantly different - whichever works best for you. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 21:45, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Feel fee to comment. I am trying to focus on re-organising the non-controversial tasks. Especially, the non-CHECKWIKI ones. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:52, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Question about the "Oversight" revisions you have there

Hello there,Xaos. I noticed as of lately that there has been a recent Revdelete action here on your talkpage. I checked that IP,and apparently,it says in the filter log about some sort of a "Customer service ticket" transcription. And apparently,it has been removed by Oversight due to it being "Purely disruptive material",as you said it. Could you please elaborate? As i dont see why such an edit about a customer service ticket should be revdeleted. I thought that was reserved for blatant viruses and personal attacks only. 78.98.82.157 (talk) 17:10, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes there was a revdel, no there was not an oversight (suppression). What was removed was a large non-wikipedia related copy/paste that has been placed on multiple pages in a purely disruptive manner that potentially contains inappropriate material. As for the abuse log, please specific about which exact entry in Special:AbuseLog you are referring to. — xaosflux Talk 21:34, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Here is the log for 178.41.181.147 for reference. — xaosflux Talk 21:36, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
I see what you are referring to in that log now, and those obviously have nothing to do with Wikipedia. The closest we have to a "customer service ticket" would be an WP:OTRS request. — xaosflux Talk 21:39, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm,upon closer inspection,i see that the stuff about that "Martha Partridge" was originally some sort of an post on the nosleep subreddit. Apparently,it details a series of weird occurings at a most likely fictional website called happygames.com. It seems that IP was quite obsessed with it as a matter of fact. Probably someone who got too immersed,perhaps? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.98.82.157 (talk) 08:04, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

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Misbehaving bot

Hello. As a member of the Bot Approvals Group, you may be able to assist me with a problem. User:Cydebot has merged "Category:Social Democratic Party (Serbia) politicians" into "Category:Social Democratic Party (Serbia 2001–10) politicians". The parties, however, are not the same. Have you any suggestions on the best way to correct this situation? CJCurrie (talk) 00:52, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) First, there appear to be only three affected articles, so any changes can simply be done manually. Second, the category name "Category:Social Democratic Party (Serbia 2001–10) politicians" is not compliant with MOS:DATERANGE. It should be "2001–2010". Third, it looks like the recent merge was performed by Merge bot, not Cydebot. Have you tried posting to Merge bot's talk page? – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:20, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @CJCurrie: The Cydebot change was three years ago and there are only a couple of pages, the "best way" would be to just create whatever category is appropriate and updates the articles by hand. The actual recent deletion is a one-off job to clean up old Cydebot moves, if you create a new you should not run in to it repeating. — xaosflux Talk 01:23, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Ah, okay then. I had images of the bot continuing to "correct" the category page every time it was restored. CJCurrie (talk) 01:30, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

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 Done @MBlaze Lightning: Welcome back. — xaosflux Talk 10:43, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
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Help with AWB

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A missing Madman, an unattended bot task

Madman is still radio silent - I hope they are well, though other pursuits seem to have called them away. I emailed them a little while ago asking for the source code for the Wikipedia:Bureaucrat activity report but have not received any response. Probably we eventually need to replace the ailing Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/MadmanBot 13 as well unless they are able to find time for coding bots.

As best I can tell, no bureaucrats unquestionably fail to meet the activity requirements but as days turn to weeks, months, and years, the report will be needed at some time in the future. Do you think you could work on sourcing a replacement?

Good luck =) –xenotalk 04:13, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: Hey, so... happened to think to check on my talk page and bot activity out of the blue... gratified to see things are still going on without me, not as gratified to see it looks like e-mails are no longer working and you had to do August 2017 manually. What can I do to help? I'm hoping that the e-mail issue is a simple framework change that I can resolve by verifying the bot's address or some such. And I'll add my enwiki e-mail address to my phone so I have greater visibility on notifications in the future. As I'm sure you know, I've been away for a while but should have a little bit of time to make some revisions before I'm caught up in madness again. V/r, — madman 01:12, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh, I see that the call is for a bureaucrat activity report vs. fixing administrator activity report, but would be happy to do both. Looking into the former; I should still have the source code. — madman
@Madman: actually both - thanks for the note, had @JJMC89: looking in to replacing the admin report - but if you are up for repair and continue that's ok too - don't think we should have 2 bots doing that, so JJMC89 if this is back may need you to stand down on task 13 - but thank you for considering!!! — xaosflux Talk 02:31, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
@Madman: The API has been returning the incorrect response when an email is successfully sent. (See phab:T171416.) xaosflux, I'll wait a bit before withdrawing the task. — JJMC89(T·C) 02:45, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
@JJMC89: – Ah, that makes sense. If I understand the Phabricator ticket and the roadmap correctly, I think the fix should be out on enwiki now, so that's one thing I don't have to worry about. — madman 22:48, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
@Madman: Yes, the fix is now deployed. — JJMC89(T·C) 02:32, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Okay, so a.) I found that the notify2 task had been commented out in the inactive-admins crontab; usually I do this when I had to do the second notification on a date other than the 25th for some reason, but I must have forgotten to uncomment it. Rookie mistake... b.) I removed -o and -e on the jsub so all standard output and error will go to a file on the report (it goes through the logging framework anyway), removed the redirection to /dev/null on the crontab entries, and the e-mail from cron will be redirected to my personal e-mail when I get it. I see that the report ran on the 1st but I don't see an attempt to edit the page, which is weird. This may happen when a task exceeds its memory limit so I bumped the memory limit by 25% and we'll see how it goes on the 1st. — madman 02:42, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Note, there is not a specific fixed "2nd date", though practice is generally "a week before". The 25'th satisfies the "again several days" requirement even for February. — xaosflux Talk 11:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Looks like you want me to tweak the template so there's a line break after each of the iarows? Just a guess... ;) I know how that kind of OCD can be and will tweak after the run I'm monitoring in 7m. Thanks, — madman 00:54, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Nah, not really :d I would rather that "removed rows" don't leave gaps - or that everything has gaps. I was trying to get rid of an unwanted whitespace, but it was actually the TOC at the resolution I was in! — xaosflux Talk 01:16, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Mmm, okay; let me know if you want me to revert the new month template changes (I got them in before the clock ran out, though I missed a linebreak after iarow/b and that did bother me). We'll see how a removed row looks when the update task runs and I may tweak the template manipulation functions. The report and notify1 tasks seem to have run without a hitch. — madman 01:20, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
It looks fine how it is, thank you for the updates. — xaosflux Talk 01:21, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I see what you're saying about an {{iarow}} being removed for an administrator who's resumed activity but the line break being left. The template library I wrote is pretty generic– it removes the first character of the template instance through the last character, because no other behavior can guarantee formatting doesn't get broken. But I think I can special-case this one in, maybe add an optional parameter to remove a line break following if present. It certainly does look relatively ugly as is. I'll let you know when I make that change. Cheers, — madman 23:33, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


Salvidrim RfB

As you were the one who protected the page, would you consider adding my "support" vote? I had originally intended to support, but was given pause by some of the "opposes". After some investigating and much reflection, I decided my "support" vote was still appropriate; the request was taken down literally as I was in the process of voting. I realize it's not customary to add votes to a closed discussion, but this is largely a technicality. Obviously this isn't a major issue, but in the spirit of IAR, as well as the precedent set by allowing a vote to be stricken after the close, I feel my request is reasonable. Thank you for considering this matter. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:05, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

@Joefromrandb: this is highly unusual, and normally votes added after a closing are reverted. That discussion is over, there is no benefit in continuing the consensus building exercise as the candidate withdrew. My suggestion to you at this point is to leave your comment on the RfB talk page, on the candidate's user talk page - or some sort of message on each. It will be available for anyone reviewing at a later time. — xaosflux Talk 22:12, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Again, this situation is somewhat of an anomaly, as I was in the process of voting when the RfB was taken down. It's not as though I'm attempting to add my voice to a closed discussion (OK, I kind of am, but you get my point; it was a bizarre sequence of timing that precluded my vote from being registered). I did, in fact add a note to the talk page explaining this. I realize it doesn't change anything, and it's not an exceptionally big deal. I just felt that since precedent has been set in allowing a "support" vote with which the voter was no longer comfortable to be stricken, my request isn't as unusual as it would otherwise be. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:18, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Incidentally, I did not in any way mean to insinuate foul play. A user made a reasonable request that his vote be stricken, in light of new information of which he was previously unaware, and Salvidrim, in a show of class, struck the vote. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Adding more to that discussion will not help improve the encyclopedia at this point, the options I gave you above allow both your voice to be heard and/or you to let the candidate know your sentiments. — xaosflux Talk 23:33, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


Objection - ADMINACCT

I discovered this [321]. Please WP:ADMINACCT for greenlighting a further interaction ban violation instead of blocking for breaching the interaction ban with the question. Legacypac (talk) 13:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

@Legacypac: I felt this was in spirit of the original ban that allows each of you to comment on discussions started by the other about third parties, without directly interacting with each other. I do not feel that asking for clarification of the ban components is block worthy. If after reviewing this you still object I will post at AN for review by other admins. Please reply here. — xaosflux Talk 14:19, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Arguably there should have been no comment on the Taku thread at all as I'm pretty heavily involved with User:Hauster in trying to rationalize Taku's drafts. His first comment is essentially discussing my editing, as I'm the most active person clearing Draft space and that activity takes up a large percentage of my edits. (the edit I recalled was to another thread) If a person feels the need to ask for permission, it suggests they know it's against the rule, and they are moving into forbidden territory. I don't mean to be difficult, I'm just VERY interested in fully protecting a restriction I took a lot of abuse and an unfair editing restriction to finally achieve. Legacypac (talk) 14:32, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
@Legacypac: Without getting into the substance of this, please note that there is no need or reason to reference "ADMINACCT" in asking an administrator a question about one of his or her comments or actions. Most, if not almost all, admins will gladly respond to such questions, so there is no need to preemptively remind them via a policy citation that they are supposed to do so. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:42, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
xaoflux is a good admin, but Admins generally have recently failed miserably at protecting me from Abuse. One of them is now at ArbComm partly for adding to the abuse. "unexplained administrator actions can demoralize other editors who lack such tools" was why I linked to policy. At this point I'm not interested in taking this issue to ANi. I apprecite xaosflux's detailing of his thought process, and I hope he will appreciate why I find his action frustrating. Perhaps he will consider if the post he greenlighted went beyond the limited permission he granted. See you all next time the IBAN is pushed or broken. Legacypac (talk) 14:54, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
@Legacypac: I did consider that the posting would be in a gray area and watched to see what was posted. I understand this is a delicate situation. Please note, had you wanted to make a similar post my response would have been the same. Additionally, if this becomes a recurring trend I won't be as supportive and will note on the other greenlight that it was for that instance only. — xaosflux Talk 15:23, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank-you very much. I will not be wanting to make such post but thanks for the balance :) Legacypac (talk) 15:32, 22 August 2017 (UTC)


ACTRIAL

Hi Xaosflux. The trial goes live in just 5 days on 7 Sept. We're still looking for an admin to volunteer to make the changes to the site interface. The list of changes is at Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed article creation trial#User interface messages. It's only a few minutes work. Any chance you could help? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:12, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@Kudpung: I'll check on my work scheduled, it looks like the new interface messages can be made in advance (nothing is calling them now). Admin Scottywong already did initial work on this - don't want to step on his toes if he is already on deck? — xaosflux Talk 01:09, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I've asked Scott as well, but as he's retired I don't really want him to feel he has to do it if he doesn't want to. We just need to be sure an admin will be around to do it - and knows what he is doing. I'm out of town most of this coming week. Danny Horn has assured me this morning that the WMF is on schedule so, yes, it could be done any time now really. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:45, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I look over it tomorrow and do as much in advance as possible. — xaosflux Talk 01:47, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Soounds good. Thank your very much. I have an alt account that has never edited that can do some checking for function. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:08, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Xaosflux, I think the owner just forgot to put the BRFA in the right place. I thought it was a compulsory step which would also focus your attention on various attempts to pursue the same objective. But well, I learnt I was wrong, cheers! --Vituzzu (talk) 20:08, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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Quick question

This seems to be something that you would know: is there currently a bot that monitors inactive users for user rights that have an activity requirement. I'm thinking page mover and NPR since those are the two I deal with the most, but I think template editor also has one. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: there was one that published to Wikipedia:Database_reports, but it has gone inactive. In many cases, there are many legit alt accounts so while an "informational" report may be useful, it shouldn't be treated like this page. I have a quarry I run from time to time to check on these, see quarry:query/18989. There are a handful of 'legacy' patrollers that could be removed, think I'd want to give them notice first though. — xaosflux Talk 01:00, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response. There has been some discussion at WT:NPR about those not using the right so I was curious. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:07, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Certainly, I left a brief note there - let me know if you need anything. — xaosflux Talk 04:05, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

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23:25, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Template:Middle East conflicts detailed map

File:Modulemiddleeastov.png
Screenshot of Module:Middle East conflicts detailed map

Dear xaosflux, Will you allow me to try to convince you to change your opinion/vote at ”Templates for discussion”? I am the inventor of war map templates/modules. No one loves these maps more than I do. I have been working on developing them for the last 5 years and have written their rules, their documentations, a top 10 style explanation of rules, etc. I fought hard to establish the maps when no one believed in them and many were trying to delete them. I then fought hard to keep the maps in conformity with Wikipedia rules, especially in terms of reliable sourcing etc. I also spent quite some time getting POV pushers, edit warriors, sockpuppets warned, reverted, blocked… I am quite proud of what we (many participants over time) have achieved. Today, I need your help to allow me to cut one bad branch (Template:Middle East conflicts detailed map) so that the maps “tree” would grow better and prosper. The template in question does not contain any datapoint, so no information will be lost. The template only combines the data in the other individual country templates. I will not bore you again with all the details about why this template is so bad. I just ask you to trust me on this. The removal of this template will allow the maps area to gain in credibility and be on more solid footing to continue to prosper and expand in the future. Tradediatalk 21:20, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

@xaosflux: Indeed, “there is no use for data on this”. I have included to the right a picture with a screenshot of Module:Middle East conflicts detailed map which draws the template in question. As you can see, the module code is 2 parts. The first part invokes country modules which contain the datapoints (orange oval). The second part is simply a caption with an explanation for the different colored icons (blue oval). Therefore, this template/module has no datapoints, and just adds together all the datapoints from the other country modules. If you are now convinced by this, would you be able to strike the “keep” from your vote or even put in a “delete”? I am afraid that the discussion might be confusing to the admin trying to close it. Thank you again for your time. Tradediatalk 03:01, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
I noted that keep was conditional and will let the closing admin sort it out. Please note, that you can argue on the article talk page that the template shouldn't be used without actually requiring that it be deleted. — xaosflux Talk 03:14, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Filter 642

Why does this filter allow vandals to remove OTRS tags, but disallow the restoration of them? Shouldn't it (or another filter) prevent vandals from removing them in the first place? Sakura Cartelet Talk 00:27, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Sakura Cartelet: 642 is a bit touchy, its purpose was just to prevent falsely flagging files as OTRS logged, my latest touch to it was to allow admins to add these tags - primarily for special housekeeping efforts for non-OTRS admins. So this leaves a bit of a gap you have noticed. There is a messy way to restore these tags you could do - but its the "wrong way", so that leaves you stuck if you run across this type of vandalism. You can make a talk-page edit-request (ala {{sudo}}) to request a patrolling admin restore any you run across. If you are seeing this happen frequently, we can create a companion filter to prevent the removal of OTRS permissions tags; if you see it frequently drop a note at WP:EFR. Hope that answers your question! — xaosflux Talk 02:05, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

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Closing EFH requests

Hi Xaosflux, I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but EFH states The discussion will be open at least 3 days.? Dane made a request at 03:50, 4 October 2017 (UTC) and the request was closed as successful at 11:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC) -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 11:49, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

@There'sNoTime: you are not, I closed early in error and have already reversed. — xaosflux Talk 12:00, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

RevDel Request

Hello! I have privacy concerns and I need to remove all my history from my user page and my talk page. This is my user page history in this link and my talk page in this link. Could you please help me? Thanks! 😊 Lunajav (talk) 13:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Lunajav: Your entire userpage history has been deleted. Per the deletion policy (Wikipedia:User_pages#Deletion_of_user_talk_pages) entire user talk pages are generally not deleted - and I see your talk history includes communication with other editors regarding article content. Is there a specific history version of your talk page that you have concerns with? — xaosflux Talk 13:21, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for deleting my user page history. (Redacted). To be specific, I need your help to remove starting from Sept 10, 2017 at 21:58‎ to Oct. 1, 2017 at 03:09 in this link if you would agree. Thank you again. Lunajav (talk) 16:46, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
@Lunajav: I've removed version where you discussed your academic level, and will request oversight purges for those; the other version do not appear to fall within the deletion policy. If you have major privacy concerns still, please use the contact form at WP:OVERSIGHT. — xaosflux Talk 17:09, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks for helping me. Lunajav (talk)

14:21, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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Precious
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Removal of user groups

The Kostas RfA was correctly snow closed after a few hours by a bureaucrat. It was closed while I was doing my research and before I could make my vote (which is now superfluous anyway). However, many of the votes, incuding those of admins, claimed hat collecting as the major issue. Time line of the candidates PERMS and ORCP:

  • 5 April 5 Rollbacker
  • 14 April 2017 1st ORCP (users advise against RfA)
  • 14 April 2017 pending changes reviewer
  • 18 April 2017 page mover
  • 24 April 2017 new page reviewer
  • 2 June 2017‎ Subscribed to the Admins' Newsletter
  • 18 July 2017 2nd ORCP (users strongly advise again against RfA)
  • 11 October 2017 mass message sender
  • 11 October 2017 RfA (no significant edits at all during the 5 months preceding the RfA.

The need for these tools has never been properly demonstrated, in particular, only one single New Page Review has been made. Even applying as much AGF as I can, I also find this looks very much like blatant hat collecting. I'm inclined to revoke some of these permissions. Thoughts? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:54, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

@Kudpung: I'd check with each of the granting admins if there is not a clear revocation reason. I recently processed that MMS, and it did follow a prior WT:MMS request that was successfully completed. Absent any misuse I'm not too worried about that one - I usually ask for a few WT:MMS requests but it does appear to be tied to a limited to work at DRN. WP:ADMINNEWS is open to anyone, and posted publicly, don't think I'd call it a 'hat'. — xaosflux Talk 03:08, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. No, there doesn't appear to be any mis-use anywhere; the problem is mainly no, or little use, which leads to the opinion of many that this is all a hat collecting exercise. I think we'll have to leave things as they are. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:32, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I too have felt concern over the progression outlined by Kudpung, to which I would add their repeated offers to nominate other users for various toolsets: here, here, here, and here. There's also this and this. Nothing inappropriate, in isolation; but screaming "hat-collecting" when taken in sum. Vanamonde (talk) 06:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
There's also being Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Clerks. power~enwiki (π, ν) 13:23, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I forgot that one. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:01, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Follow up regarding Confirmed WP permission request

Hi there, just wanted to quickly follow up with my ping of you on the WP Requests for permission/confirmed page as I non-admin marked a request as "not done" per what you said above to another account and based on the fact that the request was the only contribution (that I can see at least) that the account in question has made. I hope that was okay of me to do in this case. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 02:39, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

@TheSandDoctor: in general yes, we don't early confirm just to bypass semi-protection. There are always exceptions (for example if someone is a long-term heavy contributor on another project), in this case sending them to the request an edit process is what I would have done. — xaosflux Talk 12:26, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification. Want to help out wherever possible, but at the same time do not want to overstep my role/boundaries. So (just to confirm) you are saying that it is okay to assist with the Confirmed requests which are obvious/quick fail from time to time (like my example)? --TheSandDoctor (talk) 16:43, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
For the most part, WP:PERM doesn't need clerking and requests should be closed by admins - anyone is welcome to comment on any request. — xaosflux Talk 16:52, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Noted. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 17:19, 13 October 2017 (UTC)


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Permissions

Hi I am the new media Officer at Shillingstone-railway-project.org.uk, signed in as Johncurfin3 and would like permission to update the photo gallery currently being shown on the Shillingstone railway project page. I have updated some of the text on 17th October and expect to add more in next few days! Thank you (Johncsurfin3 (talk) 18:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC))

Replied on your talk. — xaosflux Talk 17:11, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello Sir!

Why I'm not able to Extended confirmed user, I had asked for permissions so that I could not reverted the wrong edit. I saw that without any account, many users do wrong editing which I can not get reverted, and I can not undo it Because it is under the rule of Wikipedia, I am very diligent for my work, I respect you very much. I do not see the reverse button in my desktop screen if I get this permit I do not see a revert button in my desktop screen if I could get this permit, maybe it could be reverted somewhere. . And sorry for wasting your time. Pl98 (Talk to me) 16:48, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

And sir only give me a permission only one week So that I can understand it well, and I will show you my best work. Thanks sir Pl98 (Talk to me) 17:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Pl98: I don't think you fully understand this account flag. Can you provide me an example of something you are unable to do right now? — xaosflux Talk 17:11, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

I can't do this Reverted the wrong editing. Pl98 (Talk to me) 17:45, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

@Pl98: I need you to be much more specific please. On what page are you trying to make an edit? What happens when you try? Can you point to the edit you are trying to revert? — xaosflux Talk 17:46, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

If someone has done wrong editing then I can undo it. Can not be reverted. Pl98 (Talk to me) 17:51, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

In general, reversions have nothing to do with "extended confirmed" user access - which is mostly related to making edits to some very heavily contested content areas. For lots of information on reverting, please see Help:Reverting, for semi-automating part of that task you may also be interested in Wikipedia:Twinkle. — xaosflux Talk 17:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
For more general use questions, you may find more help at Wikipedia:Teahouse as well. — xaosflux Talk 17:56, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very very much my good Administrator You are the best sir nice talking to you. And again Thanks for giving to me guidelines. Pl98 (Talk to me) 18:01, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

And Sorry sir Wasting Your time :-( Pl98 (Talk to me) 18:02, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

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Autoconfirmed issue

I've contacted one of the WMF people working on ACTRIAL in case it's connected to that, so I'll wait to hear back before posting elsewhere. Best, SarahSV (talk) 05:00, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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@TheSandDoctor: replied. — xaosflux Talk 04:48, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Same. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:03, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
@TheSandDoctor: replied. — xaosflux Talk 13:22, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Same. Also, I will see if you replied as I routinely check that email ;-) --TheSandDoctor (talk) 19:43, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Replied. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 07:19, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Replied. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 03:18, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

EFH

Hello, I was wondering if anything else needed to be done at Wikipedia:Edit filter noticeboard#Request for EFH bit for Nihlus in order to finish the process. Thanks. Nihlus 00:29, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

@Nihlus:  Donexaosflux Talk 02:37, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Re-protection request of User:TweetCiteBot/status & User:TweetCiteBot

Since TweetBot was renamed to TweetCiteBot, could you please protect the destination (control) page (redirect is now what is protected & same with User:TweetCiteBot)? Thanks! --TheSandDoctor (talk) 06:08, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

@TheSandDoctor: the protections were preserved during the move. — xaosflux Talk 11:30, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Oh, it didn't look like they were accordant the page logs, sorry. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 13:10, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

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BAG Edit

Hey Xaosflux, I was confused by this edit. BetacommandBot3 still operates within the channel and was actually how I saw your edit. Am I missing something here? Nihlus 05:20, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

@Nihlus: Nope, I was just flat out wrong there, I had my channels confused - thank you for the correction! — xaosflux Talk 13:29, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

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User:Pankoken/Jan Oltmanns

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List of Papua New Guinea national rugby league team players

Just a quick question would this article qualify for the A3 CSD category? Whispering 04:05, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@Whispering: Strictly speaking, no. WP:CSD#A3 is for "no content" and that page does have content, assuming this all are actually "Papua New Guinea national rugby league team players". It is certainly in need of work, but such lists appear to be generally tolerated (c.g. List of England national rugby league team players and List of Ireland national rugby league team players for examples as well as Category:Lists of rugby league footballers). — xaosflux Talk 04:35, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: See that's why I asked, instead of tagging it and wasting the admins time. External links qualify, internal links do not good to know. Whispering 04:44, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

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Your reverting my edit

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Article_titles&oldid=prev&diff=812390364 Why? Andrewa (talk) 16:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

@Andrewa: my apologies, it was in error (inadvertent rollback click); I have reversed my edit! — xaosflux Talk 16:36, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
All good, I know the feeling. Andrewa (talk) 16:48, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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I completely understand why you'd think that should be declined at first glance.

However, WP:G7 specifically refers to substantial content. Pretty much every one of the very low portion of edits on that page not made by me was either (1) outright vandalism, soon reverted or (2) general bot-like fixes: spelling/grammar, automatic citation expansion, etc.

Neither of those types of edits is substantial and therefore neither precludes a G7 deletion, so I ask you to please reconsider. Modernponderer (talk) 16:30, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@Modernponderer: with 800+ revisions over many years, what appear to be 2 foreign language forks, and 9 page watchers this is too far outside the "speedy" realm in my opinion. If you think this would be uncontroversial, through a {{prod}} on it and it will go away in about a week. — xaosflux Talk 16:37, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Mass message list

I speak fluent SQL, but am not terribly familiar with the data structure here. Is there any way I could take a swing at the list, since it seems to be giving everyone else grief? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@SarekOfVulcan: of course you can. I'm at work right now, but trying to through guesses at quarry and walk the tables. Unless it times out, I suspect this entire thing can be done directly from the database in one big query. — xaosflux Talk 15:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
@SarekOfVulcan: one challenge is that several attempts have been made, but they all had bad outputs - the query and outputs need to have some quality control checking before it is used. — xaosflux Talk 15:43, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
@Enterprisey: I pinged you on the other page, but may want to let Sarek have a swing first. — xaosflux Talk 15:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
So, where do I look for the data? Like I said, I'm not terribly familiar with the structure here... --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:47, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Never mind, figured it out. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:49, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
For online access your best bet is quarry, try following this one I ran: 23368 and you can for it. One thing to add may be another nested condition with revision_userindex.rev_page with page.page_namespace. — xaosflux Talk 15:51, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
@SarekOfVulcan: mw:Manual:Database_layout has a layout. — xaosflux Talk 15:58, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
And note that many of the sensitive fields have been filtered out of the replication on quarry. — xaosflux Talk 15:59, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm trying some things now. I'm afraid of timeouts, these are large joins... – Train2104 (t • c) 16:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Looks like you're heading in a better direction than I am, Train2104 - I'll back off and let you work. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:14, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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Old BRFA's

Can you please expire these old BRFA's? Thanks.

(I found these by patrolling Category:Open Wikipedia bot requests for approval, which occasionally contain misguided non-bot requests by new users)

– Train2104 (t • c) 16:47, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Train2104: OK,  Done thanks for the note. — xaosflux Talk 18:57, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

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Are you okay there? Talking to yourself? Maybe you spend too much time surrounded by bots.... :p Ben · Salvidrim!  00:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
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It's that time of the year...

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And olive branch & holiday wishes!

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What should I do about this small ambiguity in my edit request

Merry Christmas, Xaosflux. I've now submitted my Smiley edit change request here. Unfortunately there's a minor apparent error in the existing Template which my code fixes, but I'm not sure whether I'm properly authorized to do so, so there's a minor ambiguity about it in point 6 of my edit request which might get my request into trouble as the request is supposed to be unambiguous. So might you have any advice for me about that? (But please don't bother if it's too much hassle, as it will presumably sort itself out eventually, though it might be well into January before that happens, but if necessary I can presumably live with that) Tlhslobus (talk) 10:36, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

@Tlhslobus: the "unambiguous" part is not so much that, but in looking at your request and the sandbox history I'm not exactly sure which is the version you want loaded. Can you add a one line to the end of your request, something along the lines of (Replace the entire page with Special:PermaLink/816739269 from Template:Smiley/sandbox)? (Assuming there is a complete version ready to go there)? — xaosflux Talk 12:36, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, xaosflux, I've now added that as a Clarification as it is a ready to go version there (apart from the documentation change which anybody can easily add; and no harm will result from a slight delay in adding that). Tlhslobus (talk) 07:03, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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Sorry, I edit conflicted. Alex Shih (talk) 04:54, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

No worries, same result. — xaosflux Talk 04:56, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

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Unable to block a vandal

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Hi,
While I was lurking at AIV, I came across a vandal. I tried to block him, but it says I can't block that user. Any idea why this is happening? —usernamekiran(talk) 18:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Um... because you're not an admin? --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:18, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
@Floquenbeam: i had an inkling. But it's not fair! Why show all these pretty buttons when I can't use them? I can't even see deleted contribs.
btw, are you the same Floquenbeam who was once mentioned in an RfA question regarding some song? —usernamekiran(talk) 18:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure why it didn't occur to me that you were joking. Sigh. That was sort of stupid of me, sorry. I don't recall being mentioned in a RFA question, but there aren't very many Floquenbeams here, so if one was mentioned, it was likely me. Unless you mean the sonnet request in my own RFA? --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:30, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
It's rather curious though; I don't see that on mobile WP either? I'm always willing to assume a glitch with en.m (read: therfore don't use), but generally these things seem to be across the board. Odd. And no poetry required :p  :) >SerialNumber54129...speculates 18:36, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
There are several places where admin-only functions are "hidden" (using CSS hacks) from people that can't use them, but they are normally in small sections of the page adding a selector to each instance of a mutli-use template may cause some page load delays/page jumping. — xaosflux Talk 18:39, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Invoked with class="sysop-show". — xaosflux Talk 18:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict)@Floquenbeam: Here it is: Please compose and present one Shakespearean form sonnet illuminating something about Floquenbeam in the role of Wikipedia administrator. Was it in your own RfA?
Maybe Xaosflux would be kind enough to let me use the buttons. Pretty please. I promise I will use them responsibly. Pinky promise.
54129 Recently, all the websites are behaving oddly on BlackBerry OS 10's browser. —usernamekiran(talk) 18:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
You can sign up for the shiny buttons right over here. — xaosflux Talk 18:51, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Um... All RfA's in this year have failed. Maybe in 2019. But till then, cant you just click on "make this user an admin" or something? I cant assign the the rights either. (I can see the buttons for that as well.) —usernamekiran(talk) 19:07, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Failed :( Looks like Special:Makesysop has been deprecated! — xaosflux Talk 19:26, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Dang it! We should try this again in 2019. It might work then. See you around :) —usernamekiran(talk) 19:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
@Usernamekiran: or on April fools I guess :) --Kostas20142 (talk) 20:46, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
@Kostas20142: lol. But most of the people would think i am running RfA seriously. Shouldnt do that. I should come up with some harmless largescale prank. :D —usernamekiran(talk) 21:05, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Wikipe-tan was successful....... IJS. — xaosflux Talk 21:10, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: Be careful, I feel we are going to have a new crat this year XD --Kostas20142 (talk) 21:20, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Aardvark_Floquenbeam is probably ready. — xaosflux Talk 21:38, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
That reminds me. Since the day I realised about about sys-ops and crats (even before creating an a/c), I was wondering if a non sys-op editor can run directly for RfB. As the requirements are not described, it is also not said "the candidate for an RfB should be an admin." —usernamekiran(talk) 14:19, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
@Usernamekiran: policy allows non-admins to run a RfB, and for crats to resign adminship without resigning cratship. The former is pretty much in SNOW territory, the later comes with mostly annoying technical hurdles. — xaosflux Talk 15:53, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

I was just half of an admin!

And somebody took even that away from me!
Do you think it was Fluxbot? Would you please join me in the dark alley to beat him up? —usernamekiran(talk) 20:25, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Yea, no - looks like you still are: Special:UserRights/Usernamekiran. — xaosflux Talk 20:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm getting a strong feeling that you are saying this only because you are afraid to get in a fight with fluxbot.
On a serious note, is there a way to see these options all the time? (I use monobook skin on desktop mode.) —usernamekiran(talk) 18:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Do you mean to not see links you don't want to see on these admin report pages? Short answer: no, we're not going to do that. — xaosflux Talk 18:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
No. I mean, I want to see the admin buttons all the times. —usernamekiran(talk) 20:51, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
You could make a user .js script to add non-working buttons all over the place. — xaosflux Talk 22:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
I dont want to create new buttons. I want get the buttons that admins have. —usernamekiran(talk) 22:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
WP:RFA. — xaosflux Talk 23:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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NPR

Hi Xao. The next election for NPR coords is due to take place in about 3 - 4 weeks. The election pages are being prepared. I'm wondering if you would be prepared to do the honours as 'election commissioner'. It needs someone neutral. The tasks only involve ensuring the candidates are admissible, closing the nominations at the cut-off date, monitoring for dups/socks and striking any other inappropriate votes, and tallying up and announcing the results. I managed the previous one, it's not a lot of work. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I can do that, would be good to have a backup as well. — xaosflux Talk 15:25, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm sill looking. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Second notification for inactive admins

Noticed you did this manually for the January 2018 admins, checked the crontab... yep, I commented it out at some point because we were going to do a manual run on another date.

My mistake, an unfortunately common one when we mix the automated and manual runs and I myself then get mixed up. There should be an automated run of second notifications for the February 2018 admins on January 25th; let me know if it doesn't go and I'll also try to keep an eye out. Cheers, — madman 14:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Looks like it ran OK. — xaosflux Talk 03:00, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Regex Escapes

Did I get the regex wrong? I noticed you re-blacklisted the same URL a bit after I did. SQLQuery me! 04:51, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

@SQL:I reverted mine (had copied from a prior line, but actually was missing an escape) - lots of people working on this at once. — xaosflux Talk 04:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
No worries, I wasn't sure if the escape on the = was needed, so figured I'd ask. SQLQuery me! 04:53, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
@SQL: normally "=" does not require escaping, but as far as I can tell our implementation ignores extra escapes. — xaosflux Talk 04:57, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

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Hello there. I was wondering if you would know the proper process for KolbertBot to get Template Editor permissions, I made a request recently because there was some issues with editnotices killing the bot and forcing a manual restart. Thank you. Jon Kolbert (talk) 17:15, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Jon Kolbert: I don't think this is needed because your bot is crashing - that is something you should deal with on the operator side. As you are not a template editor, it would be a privileged escalation to give your alternate account that access as well. What is the volume of these edits you want to update? — xaosflux Talk 17:28, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
There has been a phabricator task for the issue here, but really there's no tracking mechanism in place for the template-protected pages that are skipped. Adjusting the pywikibot code will just result in these pages being skipped rather than having the HTTPS replacements performed. I'd estimate there are a few hundred templates that would be affected, given that the library of links KolbertBot uses has expanded since the initial TE request back in 2017. Jon Kolbert (talk) 17:45, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
@Jon Kolbert: OK, just file a new WP:BRFA task with the specification to extend your other task to template-protected pages. If it passes we can add the flag. — xaosflux Talk 17:53, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

bot flag

Hi.
Through my other account, I have been doing some "general fixes" using AWB. As it is very unlikely that AWB would make mistakes during that task, would it be possible to get that account a bot flag? If granted the flag, or required to get the flag, I will not make any other edits automatically. Kindly let me know your thoughts about this, and formal process to do this if you think it should be done. Also pinging Primefac. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:31, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: bot flags are for accounts that have well defined tasks that can be repeated. If you were to run a bot, I'd suggest you create a dedicated userid just for bot tasks (e.g. usernamekiranbot) or something like that. To apply for bot authorization, post at WP:BRFA. — xaosflux Talk 19:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
hmm. If I were to create one more account, then I will have more socks on enwiki than I have in my cloth cabinet. Can "general fixes in mainspace" be considered as a well defined task? I can do the rest of semi-auto tasks through my Usernamekiran (AWB) sock. —usernamekiran(talk) 20:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't see a task to just generally fix things ever getting approved. Read over the Wikipedia:Bot policy for more information about what bots are for. — xaosflux Talk 21:36, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
I have already gone through bot policy, and WP:FDB. I made a request after that. So far, it doesnt look good lol. But I hope i get it. —usernamekiran(talk) 03:20, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
I know you're already getting piled on at the BRFA, usernamekiran, but it really sounds like what you're currently using your "AWB" account for is more than suitable - if you're going to be reviewing the edits anyway you might as well do it on a non-bot account. Primefac (talk) 21:21, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
hitting save button every-time, and skimming through all your edits before logging out are very different things. usernamekiran(talk) 21:30, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2018

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