The community has reached a consensus to use the current configuration.

I think this is OK. It will be during the end of the Charter ratification vote that is ongoing, but I think we were comfortable with votewiki being in English for these elections (the options etc would be in Mandarin as usual though).

The Movement Charter Ratification vote is ended. Should this poll be started?

We hope this could be set up as soon as possible in case of any time conflict with the upcoming U4C 2024 special election (started at Jul 27). Thanks.

Should be done. Election admins (Jimmy Xu, AT, Wong128hk) may check everything looks OK.

@jrbs Hello, could you please change the end date to 26 July 2024 00:00. The voting period is 14 days. Thanks.

In T368610#9972203, @SCP-2000 wrote:

@jrbs Hello, could you please change the end date to 26 July 2024 00:00. The voting period is 14 days. Thanks.

I've made this change.

There is an error on the poll. Can someone edit it?

In T368610#9975673, @3301796 wrote:

There is an error on the poll. Can someone edit it?

What is the error?

The content of the poll has not written yet! (It should be您是否同意解任 Mys_721tx 的管理員？, 支持, 中立, 反对)

In T368610#9975680, @3301796 wrote:

The content of the poll has not written yet! (It should be您是否同意解任 Mys_721tx 的管理員？, 支持, 中立, 反对)

Please have a look at the description of this task, specifically the configuration here: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:管理員解任投票/Mys_721tx/第2次/config.json

If the configuration is incorrect, one of the election admins should let me know as soon as possible. Changing the options like this would require us to restart the poll.

Ok, thanks.

Oh, no. All oversighters in zhwiki are all inactive lately...

After some internal discussion, this was a misunderstanding on @3301796's part. The configuration was correct and there is no need to change the options.

In T368610#9975726, @0xDeadbeef wrote:

After some internal discussion, this was a misunderstanding on @3301796's part. The configuration was correct and there is no need to change the options.

All fine :)

@jrbs Hello, could you please add WiTo7946@zhwiki into the voter list? His username was changed recently. Thanks.

In T368610#9979773, @SCP-2000 wrote:

@jrbs Hello, could you please add WiTo7946@zhwiki into the voter list? His username was changed recently. Thanks.

Done.

@jrbs Hello, the vote is ended. Could you please grant the right to Scrutineers for checking votes? Thanks.

In T368610#10016978, @SCP-2000 wrote:

@jrbs Hello, the vote is ended. Could you please grant the right to Scrutineers for checking votes? Thanks.

Sorry, I didn't realise they had been blocked. The blocks are lifted now.

@jrbs Per consensus of B'crats, the poll need to be extended for a week in order to get a clear community consensus. Please note. Thank you.

Due to local policy, we need Stewards as scrutineers.

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:管理員的離任#解任程序

In T368610#10036120, @kiryuukoko wrote:

Due to local policy, we need Stewards as scrutineers.

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:管理員的離任#解任程序

Although the policy requires that there should be Stewards as scrutineers, there have been no Steward scrutineers in previous elections. It seems that the community has already ignored this requirement.

Anyway, I think it should be discussed on the local discussion first. Since the community and bureaucrats didn't express any opposition to the process of this vote before or during the vote, I don't see any reason to delay it. Thanks.

In T368610#10036050, @Wong128hk wrote:

@jrbs Per consensus of B'crats, the poll need to be extended for a week in order to get a clear community consensus. Please note. Thank you.

Do you mean 1 week from today (i.e. closing on August 8 or 9)?

In T368610#10037244, @jrbs wrote:

In T368610#10036050, @Wong128hk wrote:

@jrbs Per consensus of B'crats, the poll need to be extended for a week in order to get a clear community consensus. Please note. Thank you.

Do you mean 1 week from today (i.e. closing on August 8 or 9)?

Based on past community convention, the poll shall be extended for one week immediately after the B'crats consensus made. Under this circumstance, the poll is supposed to close on 8 Aug, however I think it should be set to 9 Aug as there is technical processing time. Awaiting @Wong128hk or other crat response.

The zh.wiki community never reached a consensus w.r.t. extending the poll. Local policy did not stipulate the procedures related to extension, either. Local policy did require Stewards as scrutineers, and we would like to request Stewards involvement as the B'crats are trying to extend the poll without disclosing result of the current poll. B'crat @Wong128hk also stated that WMF’s security team is already investigating activities that may have obstructed procedural fairness of this RFDA. Under the circumstances, shouldn’t the zh.wiki community hold and wait for result of security team’s investigation? I don’t see how extending the poll for 1 week can correct any potential issues with procedural fairness.

Under current rules, local bureaucrats has the final say on whether the poll should be extended. It is always possible to deal with other problems (including the legitamacy of the extended poll itself) after the whole procedure had concluded, so there's no reason not to go forward with it.

In T368610#10037450, @Ericliu1912 wrote:

Under current rules, local bureaucrats has the final say on whether the poll should be extended. It is always possible to deal with other problems (including the legitamacy of the extended poll itself) after the whole procedure had concluded, so there's no reason not to go forward with it.

There is no such "current rule" that says "local bureaucrats has the final say on whether the poll should be extended." Current rule only says "惟懷疑投票結果被作弊或其它不恰當行為嚴重影響，可由行政員討論決定該次投票是否有效" (Only if there is suspicion that the voting results have been manipulated or significantly influenced by other improper conduct, can bureaucrats discuss and determine whether the poll is valid.) In the history of zh.wiki's 41 RFDAs since June 2006, the poll has never ever been extended before.

Though with no clear mention in policy and without precedent in RFDAs, I do think it is within their authority to extend the poll, in order to determine community consensus in a critical situation, just as RFAs, in which they had exercised the power to prolong the poll multiple times before.

@Ericliu1912 @Zheng_Zhou Please discuss this matter on zhwiki instead of here. This isn't the place to discuss policy. Thanks.

In T368610#10037542, @SCP-2000 wrote:

@Ericliu1912 @Zheng_Zhou Please discuss this matter on zhwiki instead of here. This isn't the place to discuss policy. Thanks.

Sure. I just want @jrbs to notice that there was NOT a consensus and the security team should avoid extending the poll (from a technical perspective) unless the zh.wiki community reaches such a consensus. Thanks.

In T368610#10037447, @Zheng_Zhou wrote:

B'crat @Wong128hk also stated that WMF’s security team is already investigating activities that may have obstructed procedural fairness of this RFDA.

I think you mean the Trust and Safety team, as far as I know the Security team is not looking at this.

The community reached a rough consensus that Stewards should be the scrutineers.

In T368610#10039344, @jrbs wrote:

In T368610#10037447, @Zheng_Zhou wrote:

B'crat @Wong128hk also stated that WMF’s security team is already investigating activities that may have obstructed procedural fairness of this RFDA.

I think you mean the Trust and Safety team, as far as I know the Security team is not looking at this.

Yes, the Trust and Safety team (not the Security team). Pardon me.

In T368610#10039379, @kiryuukoko wrote:

The community reached a rough consensus that Stewards should be the scrutineers.

What? Though it is indeed better to invite them as co-scrutineers.

@jrbs may I know if the vote can start extend at anytime or need to wait until the end of UCoC poll, technically ?
If possible, please start extend from 5 Aug 00:00 UTC and end at 11 Aug 23:59 UTC. Thanks.

In T368610#10040294, @Wong128hk wrote:

@jrbs may I know if the vote can start extend at anytime or need to wait until the end of UCoC poll, technically ?
If possible, please start extend from 5 Aug 00:00 UTC and end at 11 Aug 23:59 UTC. Thanks.

Yes, I think this is fine.

Could I please receive confirmation that there is consensus among the community to do this?

In T368610#10040333, @jrbs wrote:

In T368610#10040294, @Wong128hk wrote:

@jrbs may I know if the vote can start extend at anytime or need to wait until the end of UCoC poll, technically ?
If possible, please start extend from 5 Aug 00:00 UTC and end at 11 Aug 23:59 UTC. Thanks.

Yes, I think this is fine.

Could I please receive confirmation that there is consensus among the community to do this?

yes, we got the community consensus to doing so. thank you.

Sorry for my delay, I am travelling to Poland for Wikimania at the moment. But I have extended the end date until August 12 at 00:00 UTC.

In T368610#10041012, @jrbs wrote:

Sorry for my delay, I am travelling to Poland for Wikimania at the moment. But I have extended the end date until August 12 at 00:00 UTC.

This change has not propogated to zhwiki and https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/404 is still indicating the election had finished. Probably similar to T342774#9315133.

In T368610#10041049, @jimmyxu wrote:

In T368610#10041012, @jrbs wrote:

Sorry for my delay, I am travelling to Poland for Wikimania at the moment. But I have extended the end date until August 12 at 00:00 UTC.

This change has not propogated to zhwiki and https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/404 is still indicating the election had finished. Probably similar to T342774#9315133.

Ah, sorry, I forgot about that quirk of SecurePoll. Updated this now too. :)

In T368610#10041065, @jrbs wrote:

Ah, sorry, I forgot about that quirk of SecurePoll. Updated this now too. :)

Yea works now. Appreciate your help

@kiryuukoko This election doesn't have stewards as scrutineers. Thanks.

@jrbs The poll is now ended. Rights should be granted to suppressers in zhwiki.

In T368610#10056501, @3301796 wrote:

@jrbs The poll is now ended. Rights should be granted to suppressers in zhwiki.

I believe they should already have access, but let me doublecheck

They had expired. I have added them back for another month.

@AT @jimmyxu @Wong128hk You can see the result of the poll now.

We've completed the tally and have posted the result on-wiki.