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Miyu Nagasaki

I invite you to participate in this discussion: Talk:Miyu Nagasaki#Requested move 3 February 2021. --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Kenta Izuka

Please will a project member look at this draft with a view to the passing of WP:NACTOR. We need to be able to assess this for pushing back to the author or accepting. Fiddle Faddle 11:42, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Kami of disease and pestilence

So I’m having this discussion here, this one editor named User:Imaginatorium pointed out some problems with this deity named Ekibiogami.

The Wikiproject Mythology even lists this deity in missing articles, here.

So do y’all have any thoughts on this? CycoMa (talk) 17:25, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@CycoMa: My quick googling gives me no hits on えきびよがみ (ekibiogami) (ok, it gives me two hits, one Twitter and one on Fandom.com), but if we assume that the "bio" is an incorrect/misleading romanization and it should actually be "byo", then I do find えきびょうがみ (ekibyōgami). Kotobank says that Ekibyōgami is the same as Yakubyōgami. Anyway, I think Imaginatorium may be right, and someone romanized it as ekibiogami at some point, even though ekibyōgami would be more accurate, and others started citing that one person. Ekibyōgami is a real name though, I am finding that. I can probably get you sources to support the name Ekibyōgami if you need them. Erynamrod (talk) 20:32, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

There is no question that there is a kami called 疫病神; it's listed in a standard Japanese dictionary. The only question is how to read it. The same standard dictionary says it is read (in WP:STANDARD Hepburn romanisation) yakubyōgami. There should really therefore be no problem whatsoever adding this as an entry. But the reading is not immediately obvious (to a native Japanese speaker), and will have been (widely?) misread as ekibyōgami; it would therefore be reasonable to add a note that it has been (widely?) thus misread. But all this depends on what you think is the best source of information about Japanese kami, a standard Japanese dictionary in Japanese, or random internet musings in English, including *obvious* errors like romanising びょう as "bio". Imaginatorium (talk) 07:38, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium: As far as I understand, we're on the same page. I think the "bio" is clearly a mistake (though romanization is done all sorts of ways and so you get into an argument of whether it's a mistake or just this person's random way of romanizing, but for simplicity's sake, we'll call it a mistake). I think the best course of action would be to put the yakubyōgami as the main and a note that the ekibyōgami reading is used (misused?) sometimes. Erynamrod (talk) 16:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merger of LGBT themes in anime and manga and History of LGBT anime pages

A proposed merger of the LGBT themes in anime and manga and History of LGBT anime pages is located at Talk:LGBT themes in anime and manga#Merger proposal and may be of interest to the members of this WikiProject. --Historyday01 (talk) 18:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Need someone who knows Japanese railways for Ekiben Hitoritabi

Ekiben Hitoritabi is in need of someone who knows the Japanese train system to resolve some links to disambiguation pages -- there are currently seven train stations linked to dabs on the page, the most of any current enwiki article apparently.

Also of help would be someone who can check for sources in Japanese. The English sources I've found make it clear the subject is notable, but none qualify as significant coverage, and I think someone could AfD this article at any time based on sources available in English. —valereee (talk) 13:51, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

@Valereee: Looks like RandomCanadian fixed all of them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:35, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: Guessed that the page was probably on Valereee's watchlist, but yeah should probably have left a word here. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:36, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

@RandomCanadian, very cool! You just fixed the enwiki page with the most dabs! It's on my watch, but so are 5K+ other pages so I often miss things, so thanks @Nihonjoe! —valereee (talk) 19:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

@Valereee: I'll add that grand achievement to my user page :) Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:45, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

lol I totally think you should! The Brave Little Tailor killed seven in one blow, got rich and famous. :D —valereee (talk) 19:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

What is the Japanese name of the series How to Draw Manga?

Also, is there a ja wiki article? It is not currently linked. The series is described as very popular so I'd assume it should have a ja wiki entry? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:07, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Piotrus: I have a couple at home. I can check when I get off work. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:40, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Piotrus: After researching a bit, I found the listings on the Graphics-Sha website. There doesn't seem to be a series name for the books in Japan. As far as I can tell, there's no equivalent jawiki article. You can see some of them at the very bottom of this list (you have to click "show more" a couple or three times to see them). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:51, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Nihonjoe, Thanks. Wouldn't the Japanese name be マンガの描き方 ? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Perhaps (that would be one way to translate it back into Japanese), but most of them don't have that anywhere on them, so there's no way to know for sure. The publisher doesn't have them listed as part of a series with a series title. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:19, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Source review (re Miki Matsubara personal life section)

An ip user added this and this as supporting refs but neither appear reliable to me. The 2nd one looks like a fan/user-made post but I can't figure out what kind of website middle-edge.jp is. A translated vers of the page didn't help either. Hoping someone here can provide clarification on both sources. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Both seem to be tabloids of a sort. Middle Edge seems slightly more reliable than GGG-Channel, but that's not really saying much. Neither even have company information on their site that I could find (office address, principle information, etc.), so I'd lean toward them not being reliable sources. I'd also be interested in hearing the opinion of others like Hoary and Imaginatorium (and anyone else who wants to chime in). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:58, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

My impressions are the same as Nihonjoe's. If I were seriously interested in Matsubara (somebody I'd never heard of till minutes ago), I'd go to a good (Japanese) library and ask for access (DVD-R or online or whatever) to the archives of the national newspapers. (None of the strings "asahi", "yomiuri" and "mainichi" currently appears in the article.) Of course most editors can't easily go to any major Japanese library; and I'll admit that I have minimal interest in Japanese pop songs, TV, etc, and therefore am unfamiliar with worthwhile resources for this kind of thing. -- Hoary (talk) 00:15, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe and Hoary: those were also the first things I looked for (co. info or a relatively substantial about us section), so when I couldn't find anything it made me suspect they might not be. Thank you both for clearing this up for me—I'll remove the sources.

I don't have any particular interest in Matsubara myself, I came across the page completely by chance, but I'll see if her Japanese WP article contains any usable sources by EN-Wiki's standards. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 00:47, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Carlobunnie, I should have said "minimal knowledge of"; lack of interest is by the way. (Or so it ought to be. In fact, lack of interest results in lack of knowledge -- and possibly vice versa.) I do get the impression that very many articles here about Japanese pops are poorly sourced; but I have limited time available for editing and normally prefer to spend it elsewhere. As for the article ja:松原みき: list list list list; it might be a parody of a ja:WP article. -- Hoary (talk) 02:32, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Japanese-English Bilingual Corpus of Wikipedia's Kyoto Articles

Hi, I'm wondering if there is any interest in requesting a bot to port the contents of the Japanese-English Bilingual Corpus of Wikipedia's Kyoto Articles as subpages of this WikiProject, with the eventual goal of publishing the usable parts onto mainspace.

To put it succinctly, the corpus is a collection of 14,111 Japanese Wikipedia articles manually translated into English, released in 2010 under a CC BY-SA 3.0 license, which is compatible with Wikipedia. A web version of the corpus is on https://www.japanese-wiki-corpus.org/. I would like to fill the gap in English Wikipedia's coverage of Japanese topics using this corpus, as I've discovered that for history articles alone, up to 72% of the articles on the corpus we don't even have on ENwiki (of the 1966 articles in the corpus categorized under History, 1420 articles are not on ENwiki).

There are obvious problems with this, chiefly that JAwiki has different standards than ENwiki, so this is why I want to have the corpus dumped in the WikiProject first, and have people check the articles and doing some cleanup before sending them onto mainspace. Said cleanup would include finding sources on the original JAwiki pages that the corpus specifically left out.

As this would be sizable undertaking requiring both manpower and the use of a bot, I want to gauge the level of interest in doing this. Thanks. _dk (talk) 02:44, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

@Underbar dk: I posted about this in the past, but there wasn't any response. I personally would support such a project, especially considering these are manually translated and under a usable license. Though yes, the sourcing would be a hurdle. Opencooper (talk) 20:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I have been going through the original JAwiki "History" articles to see what articles we can safely port over to ENWiki, rating them by their state of their sourcing on my userspace. And the results so far are....not great. It's probably not as good an idea to use a bot to dump these articles like I originally suggested due to how little the number of articles we can actually use (under 50%) and the amount of cleanup required. _dk (talk) 00:21, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

I support selectively bringing them over, provided we can find the sources to support them. I don't personally have time to work on that right now due to other things that are filling my time, but I think this could help expand the coverage here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Japan Progressive Party

Hi, what do you think of this edit? According to Kotobank, 最右翼 mean “ultraright”.

Thanks. --Thibaut (talk) 11:44, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

@Thibaut120094: Yeah, it means "far right wing" (literally). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)