well, a shame that good people cant get up by their own merits anymore 😉

Most just wanted change

And well, people like those 3 being candidates were a symtom, people wanted to be back in control

Rock the boat as people say

Honestly, I think what we need before another alternative party (because technically, the Libertarians *are* an alternative) is term limits and age limits for all political offices

Hillary really alienated me from the dems. I've always voted blue but then I got a letter a few weeks before the election; it was her "thanking" me for my support. I am on disability and have never donated to the party. My father and other family members have. They never got a thank you letter. I did. I am the only woman in the family; the ones who donated and supported her were hard-working men; this really broke me and made me distance myself from her entirely.

Pics of the letter with names blacked out?

Or not actually, I might be able to google it

so you saw this as pandering to you as part of a special interest group? well, thats pretty corporate huh

bad style

Or they didnt think she would have noticed

@GingaBomber I'll have to go find it. It's a generic letter but the rest of my family never recieved one.

Ah thanks anyway.

Do DM it to me, in case of all the comments flood it out

If you okay

Okay.

Should clarify that I aint american, but I found the politics there fascinating

I'm a gay guy, and I voted for Trump because of numerous reasons, but what made me interested in politics in general was first #Gamergate, and second was in political conversations, people would speak on my behalf/imply that I was "obviously" a democrat because I was gay

Really pissed me off

I'm of the opinion that, with the exception of tyrannical parties, the outcome of elections is mostly irrelevant, increasingly so as time goes on. What really matters is the ideas and morals of the society. This is what really shapes the fate of a country.

And well... Kinda rooted for them the whole way, cause if it aint the US being No1 in military, it will be either Russia or China

And I dont trust either. So well, lesser evils and all that

Well, it always boils down to the people really.

Culture?

culture comes from principles

Fascinating actually, GG isnt something I see discussed outside KIA in a possitive light

I mean, i kinda got jaded with the media after that

@WOODY I disagree, policies are vastly more important, it is the morality of wanting to help others that has led us directly into this finacial crisis which our generation will be paying off for our entire lives, as well as our children's lives.

Found Pool after that. Well, went after alternative news

I mean, man... The journey.

@GingaBomber You find American politics interesting? I prefer satire based on American politics:

The Ephebians believed that every man should have the vote. Every five years someone was elected to be Tyrant, provided he could prove that he was honest, intelligent, sensible, and trustworthy. Immediately after he was elected, of course, it was obvious to everyone that he was a criminal madman and totally out of touch with the view of the ordinary philosopher in the streets looking for a towel. And then five years later they elected another one just like him, and really it was amazing how intelligent people kept on making the same mistakes.

- Terry Pratchett, *Small Gods*

I think American politics is so dynamic because of sort of the frontier history; it's a young country that has had to give the middle finger and fight a lot. It had to go from 3rd world to first world in 200 years. In the late 1800s half of the country was still living in a way that is comparible now to a lot of developing countries, while the other half was 1st world and both ends were trying to create enough infelstructure to have everything even across the board.

Oh god, I need more clips, cause that ones so true

Well, does not help that the people we want in politics dont want to be in it

You get the power hungry and the greedy, since they are the ones with the initiative to run for it

@Deleted User are you suggesting that the only moral choices are to help others? I recently read Atlas Shrugged, and the objectivists would argue that altruism is actually immoral.

And well, people dont like to be forced into a duty they did not wish for

@WOODY I would say that helping others in of itself is a virtuous thing to do that lines up with Western Values, but Democrats and the left has taken it to an extreme, slowly and progressively in the last 50 years

What if say it was a difference in empathy then?

Or to whom the altruism was directed against?

Like the Repubs being American citizens, especially the vets and the homeless, while to the Dems, minorities