@Porcelain chips I'm not sure the Democrat or Republican parties as a whole are self-aware enough to realize that

none of it really matters because either way the US is regressing towards Plato's republic

@Porcelain chips Look at Democrats, everything they're doing currently points to them just waiting out Trump so they can get back to their agendas first in 2018 by repealing everything, and 2020 by "taking back" the Presidency

that's all they want

Tulsi Gabbard from Hawaii is DNC but seems reasonable. What about her as Presidential Candidate?

Just to go back to their agendas

or is she not in the suitpants-afficionado circle?

Isnt it a narrative that theres a significant portion of people who are neither. Like the people who went Obama -> Bernie -> Trump?

And didnt vote Johnson cause wasted vote

@GingaBomber I was one of those

Down to the T?

Yep

Tulsi Gabbard won't get the support from the party, they will go for someone like Andrew Cuomo instead

Huh... Okay then

Didnt expect that to be an answer

Just because it's a "narrative" doesn't mean it doesn't have some truth to it

Well, I kinda made it up from memory. I mean I have seen people admit that

well, a shame that good people cant get up by their own merits anymore 😉

Most just wanted change

And well, people like those 3 being candidates were a symtom, people wanted to be back in control

Rock the boat as people say

Honestly, I think what we need before another alternative party (because technically, the Libertarians *are* an alternative) is term limits and age limits for all political offices

Hillary really alienated me from the dems. I've always voted blue but then I got a letter a few weeks before the election; it was her "thanking" me for my support. I am on disability and have never donated to the party. My father and other family members have. They never got a thank you letter. I did. I am the only woman in the family; the ones who donated and supported her were hard-working men; this really broke me and made me distance myself from her entirely.

Pics of the letter with names blacked out?

Or not actually, I might be able to google it

so you saw this as pandering to you as part of a special interest group? well, thats pretty corporate huh

bad style

Or they didnt think she would have noticed

@GingaBomber I'll have to go find it. It's a generic letter but the rest of my family never recieved one.

Ah thanks anyway.

Do DM it to me, in case of all the comments flood it out

If you okay

Okay.

Should clarify that I aint american, but I found the politics there fascinating

I'm a gay guy, and I voted for Trump because of numerous reasons, but what made me interested in politics in general was first #Gamergate, and second was in political conversations, people would speak on my behalf/imply that I was "obviously" a democrat because I was gay

Really pissed me off

I'm of the opinion that, with the exception of tyrannical parties, the outcome of elections is mostly irrelevant, increasingly so as time goes on. What really matters is the ideas and morals of the society. This is what really shapes the fate of a country.

And well... Kinda rooted for them the whole way, cause if it aint the US being No1 in military, it will be either Russia or China

And I dont trust either. So well, lesser evils and all that

Well, it always boils down to the people really.

Culture?