And well... Kinda rooted for them the whole way, cause if it aint the US being No1 in military, it will be either Russia or China

And I dont trust either. So well, lesser evils and all that

Well, it always boils down to the people really.

Culture?

culture comes from principles

Fascinating actually, GG isnt something I see discussed outside KIA in a possitive light

I mean, i kinda got jaded with the media after that

@WOODY I disagree, policies are vastly more important, it is the morality of wanting to help others that has led us directly into this finacial crisis which our generation will be paying off for our entire lives, as well as our children's lives.

Found Pool after that. Well, went after alternative news

I mean, man... The journey.

@GingaBomber You find American politics interesting? I prefer satire based on American politics:

The Ephebians believed that every man should have the vote. Every five years someone was elected to be Tyrant, provided he could prove that he was honest, intelligent, sensible, and trustworthy. Immediately after he was elected, of course, it was obvious to everyone that he was a criminal madman and totally out of touch with the view of the ordinary philosopher in the streets looking for a towel. And then five years later they elected another one just like him, and really it was amazing how intelligent people kept on making the same mistakes.

- Terry Pratchett, *Small Gods*

I think American politics is so dynamic because of sort of the frontier history; it's a young country that has had to give the middle finger and fight a lot. It had to go from 3rd world to first world in 200 years. In the late 1800s half of the country was still living in a way that is comparible now to a lot of developing countries, while the other half was 1st world and both ends were trying to create enough infelstructure to have everything even across the board.

Oh god, I need more clips, cause that ones so true

Well, does not help that the people we want in politics dont want to be in it

You get the power hungry and the greedy, since they are the ones with the initiative to run for it

@Deleted User are you suggesting that the only moral choices are to help others? I recently read Atlas Shrugged, and the objectivists would argue that altruism is actually immoral.

And well, people dont like to be forced into a duty they did not wish for

@WOODY I would say that helping others in of itself is a virtuous thing to do that lines up with Western Values, but Democrats and the left has taken it to an extreme, slowly and progressively in the last 50 years

What if say it was a difference in empathy then?

Or to whom the altruism was directed against?

Like the Repubs being American citizens, especially the vets and the homeless, while to the Dems, minorities

@Deleted User I would agree that it aligns with Western values, but disagree that it is virtuous to sacrifice your own values and happiness for others. The democrats are merely taking this principle towards it's logical conclusion. Just as the Socialists in Russia did.

Oh god, @Timcast We need a discussion channel

please

@Deleted User @WOODY Helping others is something that's heavily emphasized by Christian values, upon which most of Western civilization is built, but the main focus of Christianity's "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is the poor and disabled that are right in front of you, as opposed to the Democrats' "Oh no, these people halfway around the world are so disadvantaged! We must help them!"

Unless this is the room

perhaps swapping over to <#398973785426100234>

for now

Then dunno if its right to call it te Newsroom

@Timcast At this point I'd almost recommend creating a new <#398858182455459853> and renaming this channel

Cause this will be the first shit people see when they join

Oh god

like Tommy C 😉

I agree

@GingaBomber I think you mean 10 minutes after they join

They will see it

I think.

Well they can see it, 10 mins is just before they can reply

I don't know if I wasn't able to see anything for 10 minutes or everybody was just silent for >10 minutes when I joined last night

no, I could see people typing when I first joined