User talk:Bergenga/Archive 1

Hi Bergenga. I see you do a good job about cycling on Wikidata. If you have a doubt to how fill Wikidata, I write a page of documentation on Module:Cycling race. I will be interested if you can add a translation of this documentation on Module:Cycling race/doc in norvégian bokmål and norvégian nynorsk.

This program that we currently develop is available on NO Wiki. If you want, I can make a copy for NN Wiki. Functions in more will arrive in few months, and you will can reuse datas we already enter for FR Wiki. My project is to work together on Wikidata to share datas, to save time with this work, and pass more time to write texts in articles and boost cycling on Wikipedia. On an other hand, I take a very big number of photos on cycling races in the north of France and in Belgium. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 10:01, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jérémy! Of course I'll do some translation work, but I may not do it the very first days. I will translate to Norwegian Bokmål, but at the moment I don't see any reason to translate to Norwegian Nynorsk (NN), neither to make a copy of the module there. The cycling coverage there is minimal, with just simple articles for the Grand Tour races and a few riders. I guess you have seen that I added label and description for NN on most of the items I have updated, but that is just because of my general principle of always adding those in case they will be useful at some later point. There really is no actual use of it on NN at this time. I do also have a few photos from Tour of Norway. I have from the stage finishes here in Drammen in 2012 and 2013 and from the stage start here in 2015. I also plan to take some photos at the stage start here this year if possible, and maybe try to see some of the other stages. I can upload some of the photos, but they are not my priority now.

This project is really great, and it's in my opinion a very good showcase of how one can use Wikidata to rationalise editing and presentation of articles related to specific subjects in many different languages. I look forward to more parts of it becoming ready for use.

I do also have some sugguestions and thoughts about the listofstages part:

1. For some races, there is a separate article about each stage, like in Tour of Norway 2015 on Norwegian Bokmål. Would it be possible that it checks if there is an article connected in the current language, and then link to the article instead of a section? I don't know how important it is to have those separate articles, but if we are to use the templates on older races, it would be nice if this was possible, so that we don't have to rearrange stuff too much.
2. In Norwegian, dates are written with a dot after the number, like "1. januar", "17. mai", "24. desember", etc. It is always the dot, it does not change with the number. Would it be possible to add the dot there in the code just for the languages that use it? From what I can see the same goes for German (and Danish and a few other), but I guess you should ask them if they want it, because I don't know for sure if they use it in all cases.
3. When length of stages have decimals, it uses the dot as a decimal sign (like 182.6), but in Norwegian (and as far as I know several other European languages) the comma is always used as the decimal sign (like 182,6). Would it be possible to fix this? For example by replacing the . with a , in a string operation. (I have no experience with the programming language used here, so I don't know its limitations.)

I had also thought about suggesting that there should be a Wikidata property for UCI race classfications, but as I see that all the values have been added (2.HC, etc.), I guess this is already planned. Bergenga (talk) 23:33, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Bergenga. It is interesting to have you comments (it is thanks to this we improve the program). I call @Molarus: that write the code, I am only the guy who makes tests and discuss with users.

1. Yes, it is possible, I suppose the concerned races are essentially from Scandinavia and Grands Tours. On FR Wiki, we have a new infobox for stages that only takes its datas from Wikidata, see for example fr:18e étape du Tour d'Espagne 2015. Its module, in use since the end of september, is here. When I create it, and it is always the case, it was the first infobox that can only takes its datas from Wikidata. This infobox is now more or less obsolete because we can only use it on the French Wikipedia.
2. Again, it is possible. A japanese user brings an improvement for the date (they write the month before the day) and Molarus adapt the program/super module.
3. It is the same in French.

Yes, something new will appear. I was discussing of this subject with TomT0m, a french user. And today we discuss of that with Molarus. It is a novelty. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 10:02, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

To be more precise, we spent more time to try the different functions in all possible cases. To be interesting for different users, the program must respond at all race. For some races, for example, we have halves stages, or we have prologue. It is rare, and surely concern 2 or 3 % of races for each cases, but we always must find the solution for the user can use the program instead doing a former table. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 10:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it is a good thing to try all different possibilities at an early stage. :-)

BTW, I noticed that there are two elements Q3356693 and cycling race class defined by the International Cycling Union (Q22348500) that are kind of very closely related. One is a list of race classifications in several different languages (not French!), and the other is the general definition of what that list would contain. I kind of think those two elements should be connected (not merged), but I can't really think of how they should be. Maybe you do? Bergenga (talk) 12:59, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

I merge, it is the same thing. Thank you, my English is not very good and it is sometimes hard to find an item. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 13:04, 2 February 2016 (UTC)