TAPPI

2010 PLACE Extrusion Coating Short Course

Charleston, SC
April 24th 26th, 2010

Challenges of
WEB HANDLING AND WINDING
by
R. Duane Smith
Product Manager
Specialty Winding
Black Clawson Converting Machinery / Davis-Standard LLC
90 Minutes of Fun Filled
Adventure
60 min.- Tutorial on Challenges of
Web Handling and Winding
30 min. Case Study Adventure applying
Web Handling and Winding
Principles in the real world!
 Challenges of
WEB HANDLING AND WINDING
CHALLENGES THAT WE
FACE
IN UPSTATE NEW YORK
Black Clawson Converting Machinery /
Davis-Standard LLC
Located in Beautiful Fulton, NY
In the next 60 minutes- We Will Be Discussing

Lots Of Challenges
Challenges in Web Handling
Challenges in Web Spreading
Challenges in Slitting
Challenges in Winding
Challenges in Eliminating
Roll and Web Defects
Goal of this Presentation
That you will take back at least
a few Gold Nuggets from the
information presented and
apply these to improve the
Productivity & Profitability
of your operation
 What is the
Challenge in
Web Handling?
Answer -
Convey the Web Straight
through the Process Without
Wrinkles
Web Tension
In A Perfect World - Would not need
Web Tension
Float The Sheet Straight
Through the Line Without
Generating Wrinkles
 Unfortunately
Rollers are not
Perfect
Webs are not
Perfect
What are the Challenges of
Web Handling
Roller Design?
Web Handling Rolls
DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS
Having the Right Roller
Material
Having the Right Roller
Diameter
Having the Right Roller
Bearings
Having the Right Roller
Spacing
The Challenges of Air
Greasing
Web Handling Roller
Alignment
 ROLL MATERIALS
Chrome Plated Steel- Carbon Fiber Composite
Normally Used with Roll Materials for Special
Paper & Paperboard Applications i.e. Thin
Anodized Aluminum- Films & Non-wovens
Used for Films, Light + Less weight & inertia
Paper & Aluminum than Aluminum
Foils - Less Durable than Metal
- More Difficult to
Manufacture, therefore
The cost of Steel and
more Expensive
Aluminum are about
equal However Costs are
Coming Down
 IDLER ROLL DIAMETER

Diameter

Length
Roll Diameter
LENGTH
- Generally = 16 or Less, i.e. @ 64 = 4
DIAMETER
- Paperboard or Stiff Material, Consider Bend Radius
- Roll Deflection, Rule of Thumb:
- Generally .010 per each 100 of Roll Face
- Less If Handling Unsupported Foil
- More If Handling Extensible Web Materials
IDLER ROLL BEARINGS
Low friction seals & Keep brg. size to Min.
Dead Shaft Type Live Shaft Type
Bearing

Bearing

+ Usually Less Expensive + Less Deflection due to Head

+ Lower Inertia Stiffness and Larger Journals
- Greater Deflection (Not for + Bearings Out in the Open
Wide, High Tension Applications) + Bearing Size Not Limited
- No Bearing Re-Lubrication + Bearings Easily Lubricated
- Difficult Bearing Replacement - More Expensive
- Requires Larger Diameter bearings - Greater Inertia
(journal sag w/ sm. dia.)
ROLL SPACING

Rule of Thumb- Roll to roll spacing -2/3 Web

Width
Thin (.0003) Aluminum Foils, use 24 max.
Longer spans if a Spreader roll is used
after the longer span.
Roll Spacing is Speed / Tension Influenced;
Web Flutter - Shorter distances between rolls
AIR GREASING
Tracking & Web Scratching Problems
Traveling Web

Air
Roll

Air Entrainment Principles

Rolls and Webs Surface Do Not Affect Air Layer
Larger Roll Diameters Entrap More Air
Smoother Rolls Will Lose Traction Easier & Scratch Web
Possible Solutions
Rougher Rolls Surface
VentAir Groove Rolls Surface
 Web Handling
Roller Alignment
Rule of Thumb-
Rollers Should be Level & Tram
within .010/ 100 (.001/ foot)
Greater Allowable Misalignment for
Extensible Materials (stretchy films)
Less Allowable Misalignment for Non-
Extensible Materials (aluminum foil)
Other Web Handling Roller
Considerations:
Roundness (TIR)
Roller Straightness
Dynamic Balance
Reference Book
The Mechanics Of Rollers
Dr. David Roisum
TAPPI Press
Challenges in Web Handling
Easy to Align Web Handling Rollers
to 1 PART IN 10,000 (.010 / 100)
Difficult to Manufacture Webs to
1 PART IN 100 ( 1% Across Sheet)
Web Producers Challenge
Make Web Basis Wg. Profile as
Flat as Possible
Basis Wg. = f(thickness & moisture)
 Web Handling Challenge
Pull Sufficient Tension to
Convey Imperfect Web Materials
Straight Through the Process
Without Wrinkles
Suggested Amounts of Web Tension
Rule of Thumb
10 - 25% of Machine Direction
Tensile Strength of Web Matl.
TENSION TERMS
Unit Tension Pounds / Linear Inch

PLI
40 40

80 lbs. 80 lbs.

80#
Per 1 Width = = 2 Pounds Per Linear Inch (PLI)
40

Unit Tension Conversion - 1 PLI = .571 newtons/cm

 TYPICAL TENSION VALUES - Films & Foil
FILMS TENSION LEVELS
Polyester 0.5 to 1.5 lbs./inch/mil
Polypropylene 0.25 to 0.5 lbs./inch/mil
Polyethylene 0.10 to 0.25 lbs./inch/mil
Polystyrene 0.25 to 1.0 lbs./inch/mil
Vinyl 0.05 to 0.2 lbs./inch/mil
Aluminum Foils 0.5 to 1.5 lbs./inch/mil
Cellophane 0.5 to 1.0 lbs./inch/mil
Nylon 0.10 to 0.25 lbs./inch/mil
1 lbs./inch/mil = 7.03 kg./cm/mm
TYPICAL TENSION VALUES - Paper
PAPER, Basis Wgt. TENSION LEVELS
15 lbs./ream (3000 sq.ft.) 0.5 pli
20 lbs./ream 0.75 pli
30 lbs./ream 1.0 pli
40 lbs./ream 1.5 pli
60 lbs./ream 2.0 pli
80 lbs./ream 2.5 pli
Unwinding Tension (pli) = basis weight x 0.035
Winding Tension (pli) = paper basis weight x 0.055
.035 X 1.5 (50% greater) = Approx .055
TYPICAL TENSION VALUES - Paperboard
BOARD THICKNESS TENSION LEVELS
8 point 3.0 pli
12 point 4.0 pli
15 point 5.0 pli
20 point 7.0 pli
25 point 9.0 pli
30 point 11.0 pli
40 point 14.0 pli
50 point 16.0 pli
60 point 18.0 pli
1 point = .001 = 25.4 microns
Tech Tip - Web Tension - Give me
your card with Email
Cardinal Rule of

Web Handling 101

Provide Isolation Of
Unwinding Tension
From Various Process Tensions
From Winding Tension
For Web Tension Isolation
Must Have Grip On Web!!!
Pull Roll
Differential Tension
Outgoing Outgoing
Tension Tension
T2 =2 PLI T2 = 1 PLI

T1 = 2 PLI
T1 = 1PLI Ingoing Tension
Ingoing Tension

T = T1 - T2 T = T1 - T2
=1-2 =2-1
T = -1 PLI = +1 PLI
(Regenerating) (Motoring)
Contact Type Pull Rolls
Nip Pull Rolls Rubber Covered Rolls
Pivot Cylinder

Outgoing Nip

S Wrap Pull Roll

Nip Pull Roll T1/T2= f(wrap, coef. of
Suggested Nip = friction)
3 x Tension S Wrap Will Not Isolated
Check Loaded Deflection Tension Waves
 Suction Rolls

+ Used for tension isolation when you

cant nip the substrate
- Deckles for width changes
- Vacuum blower (noisy) -locate remote
TENSION CONTROL
Highly Extensible Webs
Draw Control w/ Transducer Operator Feedback
Normal Webs
- Unwinds - Dancer Control
- Processes - Transducer Control
- Winders - Transducer Control unless Roll
Changer has significant Web Length
Changes. Then must use Dancer
DANCER SYSTEM MUST BE
PROPERLY DESIGNED
 Z-BAR DANCER
Center Position Control
System
Low friction, pneumatic
actuated/ loading
Rolls Weight taken
through pivots
Hysteresis free
Inertia compensated
Best for Unwinds for
Soft Tension Control
TRANSDUCER
LOAD CELLS
Best for Winder
tension control
+Most responsive for
drive trimming
+Direct readout of
tension
+Good for high speed
operation
+ Precision roll balance
for best accuracy
Practical Example:
A West Coast Company Was Losing $100Ks
in Products due to Wrinkles.
Consultant Cost $5,000.00
You could have solved problem with the
information gained by Participating in
This TAPPI Short Course
Problem: 55# photographic printing
Wrinkling on one side - Just before nip
of Rider Roll on Winder. Only Wrinkled
on Wide Width Product!
Solution:
This 55# calendered grade had tensile strength of 37 #/inch.
10% of tensile = 3.7% pli min. suggested tension
90 psi on dancer = 210# tension / 80 web = 2.6 pli
Problem: Not pulling sufficient tension to pull out
acceptable basic wg. variation across sheet.
Winder Spindle Drive @ 50 dia - 210#=60% FLC
(Plenty of Spindle Power to pull more tension)
Solved Problem by: Moving the dancer roll from 24 to
pivot to 16 to enable pulling 315# tension or 3.9 pli
@ 90 psi on the 80 sheet.
This enabled pulling sufficient tension to
pull sheet flat before nip and eliminating
Wrinkle.
The most costly defect in Web Handling is:
WRINKLING

Tech Tip on Wrinkles Give me Email address

Challenges in
Web Spreading
Web Spreaders Purposes:
To Prevent Wrinkles
To Separate Webs
CONVERTERS CHALLENGE
Provide the Best Spreader for the
Application And Keep Spreader
Properly Adjusted
COMMON TYPES OF SPREADERS:

Reverse Crown Rollers

FlexSpreader Rollers
Herringbone Grooving (Al. Foil)
Single Bowed Spreader Roll
Dual Bowed Roll Arrangement
REVERSE CROWN SPREADERS
Spreading Action Web

Diameter Diameter
Plus

A roll that has a diameter at the ends slightly

larger than in the center. The surface speed
is greater at the ends than the center. The
surface speed difference causes an ingoing
web tension distribution that is shaped
similar to the speed profile. The rolls
spreading action is a function of its crown
and roll deflection.
Most Effective on Extensible Materials
REVERSE CROWN SPREADERS
Application
-Wrinkle Removal
-Most Effective on Extensible Materials
-Web Wrap should be Greater Than 60 Degrees
-Web Entry Span should be 1.5x Web Width Min.
-Suggested Dia. Difference .3-.5% of Roll Dia.
-Poor Mans R.C.S. is Tape on Ends of Idler Roll
Pros - Least Expensive Type of Web Spreader
- Easily Retrofitted to Operation
Cons - No Running Adjustments of Spreading
- Spreading Action is Very Product Dependant
 FlexSpreader Roll

A FlexSpreader is a roller that has a spiral

grooving cut into a soft rubber covering. The
grooving starts at the center & is cut at an
angle so that the web tension deflects the
lands outwards, carrying the web with them to
provide the spreading action. The amount of
spreading is a function of rubber cover
hardness and Web Tension.
FLEX SPREADER DESIGN

Spiral Points in Web Direction

Most Effective on Non-Extensible Materials

 FlexSpreader Roll
Application:
- Wrinkle Removal
- Pre-wind Web Spreading with No Slitting
- Pre-slit Web Spreading with Slitting
- Most Effective on Non-Extensible Materials
- Web Wrap Should be 90 Degrees or Greater
Pros - Relatively Low Cost, Easily Retrofitted and Operated
- Self Compensates for Tight and Loose Areas
Across Web for More Uniform Cross Machine Web Tension
- Grooving Eliminates Slippage Due to Air Entrapment
Cons - Needs Web Tension to Provide Spreading Action
- Limited Control of Spreading Flexibility
ALUMIUM FOIL SPREADING
HERRINGBONE ROLLS
Outward groove
machined into shell
Roll is directional
Works well on foil
web paths
Keep to less than
90 degrees wrap
for foil
BOWED SPREADER ROLL

A roll with a fixed or variable curved axle

supporting segmented, bearing mounted
metal sleeves. Sleeves are typically covered
w/ a flexible soft rubber covering. High wear
applications - eliminate the cover and the
metal sleeves are traction coated.
BOWED SPREADER ROLL-
WEB BEHAVIOR

Real Web

Ideal Web
BOWED SPREADER
WEB PATH Wrap Angle

Plane of Bow
Bow
Direction

Web
Entry Span Diameter Exit Span

IMPORTANT FACTORS:
-Web Length of Entry Span wants to be as long as possible
to Minimize required Bow. Length of Exit Span short as possible
-Wrap Angle to be 45-180 degrees to max. traction & min. bow.
(Old thinking was 15-30 degrees not true today!)
- Bow Direction to be set at 90 degrees to Bisector of Wrap
Angle in the Direction of the Web Travel
 BOWED SPREADER ROLL
Application:
- Wrinkle Removal and/or Slit Web Separation
- Can be used on both extensible and non-extensible matls.
- VentAir grooving reduces slippage from air entrainment
- Lead-in web span to be as long as possible to minimize
required bow
PROS - Can be used on processes having a wide range of matls.
- Can be adjusted to tighten center or ends of web
- Readout of amount of bow available
CONS - More complex and costly than other spreaders
- Needs to be driven on light tension applications
- Bow position and amount of bow on variable bow rollers
may be misadjusted by operators
- Bearings are not able to be relubricated and difficult to
replace
Web slitting applications usually limited
to 4 rolls or less
BOWED SPREADER ROLL
Amount of Spreading
Function Of :
Amount of Bow
Amount of Wrap
Amount of Web Tension
DUAL BOWED ROLL SPREADING

Schematic Courtesy of Spencer Johnston

DUAL BOWED ROLL SPREADING

BOW POSITION
SPREADING
PARALLEL LEAD-IN ACTION ZONE
& LEAD-OUT WEBS ROTATABLE TABLE TO
VARY AMOUNT OF WRAP

BOW POSITION

Bows are parallel with the bows pointing 90 degrees to

the lead-in and lead-out web paths as shown. The
spreading action takes place between the two bowed
rolls with no spreading effect upstream or downstream.
Additional spreading flexibility can be provided by a
rotatable table to vary the amount of wrap on the rolls.
DUAL BOWED ROLL SPREADING
Rotatable Spreader Table

Schematic Courtesy of Spencer Johnston

DUAL BOWED SPREADER ROLL
Application: Slit web separation for slitting
and spreading multiple rolls (usually 5 or more)
Can be used for a wide range of material
and slitting variations
Parallel lead-in and lead-out web leads and
sufficient distance between rollers for web
separation are critical.
1st and 2nd rolls will most likely have
different amounts of bow due to deflection
from tension vector.
Spreading action function of amount of
wrap, bow and web tension
Spreading Applications
Tech Tip Email Address
Practical Example-
When Spreader Doesnt Spread!
Problem: To get web separation you have to
rotate the bow of the bowed spreader roll
directly into the web. This produces high
tension in the center of web and possibly
baggy edges of the end slit webs.
Solution: There is slippage between web and
roll. The rotating spreader has become more
like a stationary type spreader device. Most
likely one or more of the bearings have failed.
Check to ensure that the cover turns freely. If
it does then the covering needs to be
roughed-up or vent-air grooved to restore
traction.
Challenges in
Web Slitting
Selecting the Best Type of
Slitting to Consistently
Obtain Clean Cuts
While Optimizing Ease and
Safety of the Slitting
Operation
Most Common Types
of Slitters Used in the Web
Converting Industry

Razor Slitting
Score (Crush Cut) Slitting
Shear Slitting
 Razor Slitting
Cutting or Slicing Action
From Web Being Pulled
Thru a Stationary Knife
Simplest & Cheapest
Method of Web Slitting
Can be Easily Adapted to
Fit Almost Any Location
For Appropriate
Materials, Cleanest Type
of Slitting
Light Film Applications
Require Web Support
 Score (Crush Cut) Slitting
Slitting is Crushing Action in
Nip Between Slitter Blade and
Anvil Roll
Easy to Use and Adjust
Can be Dusty and Produce
Poor Edge Quality
Thick and/or Dense Matls.
Require High Nip Loads
Ability of Blade to Absorb
High Cycle Stresses Limits
Speed.
Blade Design for Web Material
Critical for Success
Score (Crush) Slitter Geometry
Score (Crush) Slitter Blade Profiles
 Shear Slitting
True Shear Action Between
Two Rotating Nips
Most Versatile Slitting Method
Properly Configured, Highest
Quality Slit Edges
Highest Initial Costs
Most Difficult to Adjust Slit
Widths
Blade Life Function of
Overspeed, Shear Angle,
Depth of Overlap and Side
Pressure
Shear Slitting Systems
Performance Considerations
Top and Bottom Blade Diameters
Top and Bottom Blade Overlap
Top and Bottom Blade Materials
Bottom Blade Overspeed
Sideload Pressure of Top and Bottom
Blades
Profile of Top Shear Slitter Blade
Shear Angle of Top Slitter Blade
Rigidity of Top and Bottom Blade Holders
 Shear Slitter Configuration

Tangential Shear Wrap Shear

OFFSET IN DIRECTION Of WEB NO OFFSET REQUIRED
1/25th Of Top Blade Dia. (Blades on Common Centerline)
Shear Slitter Blade Profiles

TANGENTIAL SHEAR BLADES

Shear Slitter Blade Profiles

WRAP SHEAR AND SHEETER

BLADES
Converter's Challenge

Match Material Characteristics

With Best Slitting Method
Identify The Dominant Material Properties
Caliper - Is the Web thick or thin?
Density - Is the Web bulky or highly compressed?
Elongation - Is the Web stretchy under tension?
Stiffness - Does the Web easily bend?
Tensile - Does the Web break easily?
Abrasiveness - Will the Web be abrasive to the
slitter blade?
Compressibility - Will the Web recover from
compression of the slitting nip?
Challenges in Web Slitting
Selecting the Best Type of Slitting Summary

RAZOR SLITTING
Challenges in Web Slitting
Selecting the Best Type of Slitting Summary

SCORE (CRUSH) SLITTING

Challenges in Web Slitting
Selecting the Best Type of Slitting Summary

SHEAR SLITTING
Shear Slitting Tech Tip
Practical Example

When More Isnt Better

Problem: High amount of slitter dust and short blade
life of top shear slitter blades. Product 35#, .003
thick printing paper.
Solution: Too Much Penetration of top blade into
bottom knife (.03+web thickness) and/or Too Much
bottom knife overspeed (3 to 5% max.) and/or Too
Much shear angle (1/2 degrees suggested) and/or Too
Much side load pressure (should be able to easily
spin top blade when loaded against bottom knife).
Use only enough penetration to prevent blade
jump, and overspeed, shear angle and
sideload pressure to obtain clean dust free
edges of slit rolls. More Isnt Better !!!
Challenges in Winding
If all webs were Perfect
Winding would not be Challenging
Perfect Web- No Such Animal !!
Winding operations challenge :
To wind webs with Slight
Imperfections and produce Quality
Rolls that will run on Customers
processes without problems that
will produce High Quality Products
for their Customers
The Art of Winding Good Rolls

WHAT IS A
GOOD Quality
ROLL?
WHAT IS A Quality ROLL?
Yours Rolls of Paper, Film or Nonwovens
MUST BE:
RIGHT SHAPE - ROUND AND PROPER
WIDTH
RIGHT SIZE - RIGHT DIAMETER OR LENGTH
RIGHT CONSISTANCY - NOT TOO HARD
- NOT TOO SOFT
LOOK GOOD - NO BLEMISHES OR
VISUAL DEFECTS
AROMA? - WIND POOR QUALITY ROLLS -
SOMEONE WILL RAISE A STINK!!!
Roll Hardness
The Critical Factor
In Determining the
Difference Between
A Good Roll & A Bad
Roll
 ROLL DEFECTS DUE TO
ROLL HARDNESS
OUT-OF-ROUND ROLLS
ROLL BLOCKING
RIDGES
BAGGY AREAS
CORRUGATIONS OR ROPE MARKS IN
WOUND ROLLS
Art of Winding Article
Paper Film & Foil Converting
Full Article available on www.bc-egan.com
Give me a Email and I will send you hyperlink.
HOW TO ACHIEVE &
MEASURE ROLL HARDNESS
AS ROLL WINDS - INWOUND TENSION OR
RESIDUAL STRESSES BUILD UP INSIDE THE
ROLL
IF STRESSES BECOME GREATER AS ROLL WINDS
LARGER - INNER WRAPS TOWARDS THE CORE
WILL LOOSEN AND GO INTO COMPRESSION
THIS CAUSES ROLLS TO CONTAIN DEFECTS SUCH
AS TELESCOPING, BUCKLING &/or STARRING

ROLL HARDNESS MUST BE

PROFILED TO PREVENT THIS!
 ROLL HARDNESS
PROFILES
Roll Hardness vs. Diameter

120
100
Hardness Taper

80
Ideal Hardness Taper
60 Maximum Hardness Taper
40 Minimum Hardness Taper

20
0
Core Full Roll
Diameter

From Chapter #21 of TAPPI Film Ext. Manual 2nd edition, 2005
Winding Process
Three Winding Principles for
Roll Hardness Control
TNT Winding Principles :
Tension - The WINDING WEB
Tension
Nip - The NIP of the Pressure Roll
or Drum
Torque - The TORQUE from the
Center Drive or Torque Drum
Tension Principle of TNT Winding

Elastic Webs - Web Tension

is Dominant Principle of
Winding in order to Control
Roll Hardness
The more that you stretch the
web before winding - the
harder the wound rolls will be.
Tension Principle of Winding

How Do Determine
the Maximum
amount of Tension
to Wind Film Webs
at ????
Maximum Allowable Tension
Empirical data has shown that a
tensile stress of 1.5% of the
elastic modulus, or Modulus of
Elasticity, can be applied without
inducing significant permanent
stresses in film webs.
The Modulus of Elasticity shows
a stress vs. strain relationship
Stress/Strain Curves for Film
How to Determine the
Modulus of Elasticity of Plastics?
A secant modulus of 1 or 2
% strain, can be used to
determine a useable
Elastic Modulus by
extrapolating it linearly to
100%
Stress/Strain Curves for Film
Tension Principle of Winding
Modulus of Elasticity
Some typical secant moduli are:
Flexible PVC 350- 560 kg/cm2 (5-8 kpsi)
LDPE 1,000-1,800 kg/cm2 (15-25 kpsi)
LLDPE 2,000-2,800 kg/cm2 (29-40 kpsi)
HDPE 5,600- 9,100 kg/cm2 (80-130 kpsi)
BOPP 7,700- 24,000 kg/cm2 (110-350 kpsi)
PET 14,000- 38,000 kg/cm2 (200-550 kpsi)
Maximum Allowable Tension
Example:
Maximum Tension of 2 mil LDPE
Assume a modulus of 20,000 (LDPE)
-1.5% of 20,000 is .015 x 20,000 or 300 psi
Assume a 60 in. wide x .002 in. thick web
-60 x .002 x 300 psi = 36 lbs. Max. Tension.
Try to keep web at or below this tension
during processing
Tension Principles of Winding
Taper Tension
Reduce the tension smoothly
as the roll diameter increases
0 - 50% taper, 25% common
Taper Tension reduces roll
defects such as -
Telescoping, Buckling and
Starring
NIP Principle of TNT Winding

Nip of Winding Rolls :

Removes the boundary layer of air
following the Web.
Adds Inwound Tension - The higher
the nip, the harder the rolls.
Challenge is to have sufficient nip to
Wind hard & straight rolls without
winding in too much inwound tension
to prevent blocking and deforming the
web over caliper bands.
NIP Principle of TNT Winding

Nip must be applied

where web enters
the winding roll.
The winding rolls &
lay-on rolls weight
and web tension
should not affect
the Nip loading.
NIP Principle of TNT Winding

Nip Load should be

tapered as roll winds
to prevent starring
and telescoping.
However, larger
winding rolls dia.
drags more air and
produces a Nip
Taper Loading with a
constant loading
pressure.
Gap Winding
Air sometimes wants to be
wound into the winding roll of
material to:
Prevent blocking problems
Prevent deforming the web that is
wound too tightly over gauge bands
Lay-on Roll should follow the
Winding Rolls Surface with a
Small Controlled Gap
Winding Process
Basic types Winding Processes
Center Winding
Surface Winding
Combination Center/Surface
Winding
EACH TYPE USES ONE OR MORE
OF THE T.N.T. PRINCIPLES TO
BUILD ROLL HARDNESS
CENTER TYPE WINDER
Tension & Nip are Dominant
Winding Principles
Turret Center Winders
Gap Winding - Use web Tension only.
(Web tension provided by spindle torque)
Contact Winding - Use web Tension and
Nip To control roll hardness
Advantages - Can build softer rolls.
Quick indexing, fast cycle times.
Disadvantages - Limited maximum roll
dia. due to torque applied thru layers.
Higher probability of scrap during roll
changes.
Turret Center Winders
Best for Winding Small Diameter Rolls
Best for Winding Soft Rolls
i.e. Films with Gauge Bands
Better Control of Inwound Tension
Easily Provides Dual Direction
Winding
Can Provide Adhesiveless Transfers
Turret Center Winders
Drum Surface Winders
Drum Surface Winders
Winding Elastic Materials -
Web Tension is dominant winding principle.
Winding Inelastic Materials -
Nip is dominant winding principle.
Advantage - Web Tension is not supplied
from torque applied thru the roll.
Disadvantage - Can not wind air into roll to
minimize gauge bands and roll blocking.
 Drum Surface Winders
Best for Winding Very Large Dia. Rolls
Best for Winding Hard Rolls
i.e.. Protective Films
Best Utilization of Space and
Horsepower
Minimum Waste During Transfers
Less Expensive
Less Equipment
Single and Smaller Winding Drive
Drum Surface Winders
+ In-line slitting with little waste
+ Thread up is simple and accessible
+ Winding of Large Dia. Rolls of
Non Extensible Webs
- Tension is not controlled through the
wound layers- tension is only known prior to the drum
- Single direction winding only
- Requires tape or glue on core for auto.
transfers
- No gap winding available
Drum Surface Winders
Center/Surface Winders
Use Both Winding Methods
CENTER/SURFACE TYPE WINDER
Web Tension is Independent Winding
Principle from Winding Torque
 Center/Surface Winders
Can use all three TNT principles -
Tension, which is used for slitting and
spreading, controlled by Surface Drive.
Nip is controlled by the lay-on roll loading.
Torque from spindle drive controls roll
hardness independent from web Tension.
Advantages - Can build larger rolls of slippery
materials and can taper inwound tension without
effecting neck-in of web width. Also can supply
web tension w/o stretching web over gauge bands.
Disadvantages- More costly and complex.
Tech Tip- When to Use
Center/Surface Winders
Art of Winding
SETTING AND PROGRAMMING OF
TENSION, NIP & TORQUE
WILL VARY DEPENDING ON:
Type & Design of Winder
Type of Web Material
Width of Rolls Being Wound
Speed of Winding Operation
Different Web Products and Different Applications
Dictate Desired Roll Hardness
HARDNESS PROFILE MUST BE
REPRODUCED CONSISTENTLY
MEASURING ROLL HARDNESS
ROLL HARDNESS MEASURING DEVICES NEED
TO BE AVAILABLE TO WINDER OPERATORS
RHOMETER - Measures Hardness
Across Outer Surface
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RHOMETER
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Winding Oscillation
Webs that contain severe caliper
or gauge bands can not be
wound without forming ridges
and deforming the web as it
winds over these ridges.
The Winder and the Slitters must
be moved back and forth, or
Oscillated, to randomize these
bands in the roll.
Challenge of Oscillation Speed
Has to be Fast Enough to
Randomize Bands Yet -
Slow Enough not to
Strain or Wrinkle Web
Rule of Thumb -
Max. Oscillation Speed =
1 per minute per 500 fpm Winding
Speed
 For Best Results
Vary Oscillation Speed
Proportional to Line
Speed
Practical Example
Cant Wind Straight Sided Rolls
Problem: When winding double sided silicone
release PET film, the rolls dish on the winder.
Solution: When trying to wind slippery grades
to diameters over 3 to 4 times core OD,
you need to be able to center/surface wind.
Then start winding with very high torque
and taper torque to almost nothing by 4
times the core OD. Roll hardness profile is
built using nip control of pressure roll on
winding roll(s). Web tension is pulled by
pressure roll speed control.
 ROLL DEFECTS DUE TO
ROLL HARDNESS
OUT-OF-ROUND ROLLS
INTERNAL WEB BURSTS
RIDGES
BAGGY PAPER
CORRUGATIONS OR
ROPE MARKS
OTHER VISUAL DEFECTS TO AVOID FOR
CONSISTENTLY WINDING Quality ROLLS
Poor Starts
Core Offsets
Splices
Offsets and Interweaving
Dished or Telescoped Rolls
Starred Rolls
Trim Wound in Rolls
Slitter Rings
Other Slitter Defects Such as:
Excessive Slitter Dust
Nicked Edges
Scalloped Edges
High Edges
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Roll and Web Defect Terminology
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Roll Defects General
Roll Defects Web Profile
Roll Defects Edge
Roll and Web Defects - Wrinkling
Web Defects Papermaking
Web Defects Calendering
Web Defects Aqueous Coating
Defects - Film Extrusion and Lamination
Defects - Web Handling Defects
Defects - Slitting Defects
Each of 224 defects
Concise information on:
A description of the defect
An illustration of the defect
Lists the synonyms or Also Known As
terms commonly used
Cross references these synonyms in
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Lists common causes of the defect
Lists the common remedies of the defect
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Challenges of Web Handling and Winding

Questions
????

Slide Courtesy of

Dr. David Roisum

Web Handling & Winding Case Study
Based on a true Situation - Slightly Altered to Protect Confidentiality

Problem Description:
A manufacturer of the flexible
packaging material used to
form consumer fluid
containers was having a defect
called Tunneling
Typical Coating, Laminating and
Extrusion Coating Machine Line
Problem Description:
Tunneling is where a small area
across the web delaminates
between the PET film and the
Aluminium Foil
The tunneling defect occurs after
the dry bond lamination & before
the PET film and aluminum foil
laminate is extrusion coated with
the polyethylene.
Roll and Web Defect Book
On Page # 350
Problem Description:

TUNNEL DELAMINATION
 Product Structure:
Material Caliper Thickness % Tensile Modulus
PET .00048" 10.4% 500,000 psi
Foil .00035" 7.6% 10,000,000 psi
PE .0040" 82.0% 25,000 psi
Structure .00483" 100%
Product Web Width 42"
 Remember this slide????

Web Tension -Films and Foil

PRODUCT TENSION LEVELS
Polyester 0.5 to 1.5 lbs./inch/mil
Polypropylene 0.25 to 0.50 lbs./inch/mil
Polyethylene 0.25 to 0.30 lbs./inch/mil
Polystyrene 0.25 to 1.0 lbs./inch/mil
Vinyl 0.05 to 0.2 lbs./inch/mil
Aluminum Foils 0.5 to 1.5 lbs./inch/mil
Cellophane 0.5 to 1.0 lbs./inch/mil
Nylon 0.10 to 0.25 lbs./inch/mil
 The Suggested Tension for each
Product Used in the Laminate
Maial Tension/Mil x Thickness x Width =
Suggested Tension
PET .5-1.5 pli/mil x .48 mil x 42" = 10-30#
Alum Foil .5-1.5pli/mil x .35 mil x 42 = 7-21#
PE .25-.3 pli/mil x 4.0 mil x 42 = 40-48#
 Web Tensions being ran on
extrusion laminating process:
.48mil PET unwound at 30# tension
.35mil Foil unwound at 10# tension
4.8mil laminated and extrusion coated
Sheet wound at 80#, constant tension
Possible Causes:
From information in the Extrusion and
Laminating Chapter (#8) in the Roll and Web
Defect Terminology Book:
Possible Causes:

Chapter #8- Extrusion and Laminating Defects

For a laminating process, each material

should be strained by approximately
the same amount before laminating to
prevent defects curling and tunneling
Strain = Stress/Modulus of Elasticity (E)
= (Tension/Area)/Modulus
= Tension/(Area x Modulus)
Solution to Tunneling Problem
Since: The Area x Modulus (E) (.00035 x
10,000,000) of aluminum foil is much
greater than the polyester (PET) film
(.00048 x 500,000).
Then: For a laminating process: the foil
should be pulled at the high end of the
tension range and the polyester film
(PET) should be pulled at the low end
of the tension range.
 Solution to
Tunneling Problem

Pulling higher tension on

the foil (20# vs. 10#) and
lower tension on the
polyester (10# vs. 30#) will
eliminate the tunneling
problem!
 However
We still have a web handling
problem! Pulling higher
tension on the foil causes
tension wrinkles (diagonal
lightning bolt wrinkles) in the
long web lead before the
laminating nip.
From Dr. David Roisums Chapter on
Roll and Web Defects- Wrinkles
Diagonal Shear Wrinkles
on pages 150-&151
 Shear Wrinkles
Diagonal Wrinkles are tension
induced wrinkles which can be
caused by cross machine
differences in the thickness of
the web and are exaggerated by
roller deflection, roller
misalignment and/or long web
leads
 Remember this slide????

Idler Roller Diameter

Diameter

Length
Roll Diameter
LENGTH
- Generally DIAMETER
= 16 or Less, i.e. @ 64 = 4
- Paperboard or Stiff Material, Consider Bend Radius
- Roll Deflection, Rule of Thumb:
- Generally .015 per each 100 of Roll Face
- Less If Handling Unsupported Foil
- More If Handling Extensible Web Materials
 Remember this slide????

Web Handling
Roller Alignment
Rollers Should be Level & Tram
within .010/ 100 (.001/ foot)
Greater Allowable Misalignment for
Extensible Materials (stretchy films)
Less Allowable Misalignment for
Non Extensible Materials (aluminum foil)
 Remember this slide????

Idler Roller SPACING

Rule of Thumb, Roll to roll spacing -2/3 Web
Width
Thin (.0003) Aluminum Foils, use 24 max.
- Longer spans if a spreader roll is used
after the longer span.
 To Eliminate The Foil
Wrinkles
A Herringbone Spreader Roll should be
added to the line just before the Foil
Laminating Nip. Adding this roll will
shorten the long draw and provide
spreading just before laminating.
This spreader will also help compensate
for possible deflection &/or alignment
problems which can generate wrinkles on
unsupported foil.
 Remember this slide????
HERRINGBONE SPREADER ROLLS
Outward grooves
machined into
shell
Roll is directional
Works well on foil
web paths
Keep to less than
90 degrees wrap
for foil
 Adding a Spreader Roll before
the Laminating Nip Allowed
Pulling Greater Tension Without
Generating Wrinkles
Case Study in Film Ext & Laminating:
Suggested Tension
PET .5-1.5 pli/mil x .48 mil x 42" = 10-30#
Alum Foil .5-1.5pli/mil x .35 mil x 42" = 7-21#

Solution to Tunneling Problem :

Decreasing the Web Tension on the PET
film from 30# to 10# and
Increasing the web tension on the foil from
10# to 20# after adding web spreading
Eliminated the tunneling problem!
Now For The
Winding
Problem
 Case Study - Winding
Based on a true Situation - Slightly Altered to Protect Confidentiality

Problem Description:
This same manufacturer of the
flexible packaging material
used to form consumer fluid
containers was having a
winder defect called Buckling
 Winding Problem
The composite structure is wound
on 7" O.D. fiber cores to a
diameter up to 36".
The rolls are being center wound
without a nip at a constant
tension of 80#.
Problem Description:
The finished rolls look excellent right
off the winder however, after they
have been stored for a day or longer,
buckling wrinkles which caused
pleat type fold overs across the web
show up in the first couple inches of
material wound on the core. This
material was rejected as scrap at the
subsequent operation which
resulted in considerable scrap costs.
In Roll and Web Defects on Page
139
Problem Description:
The warm web wound into the roll is
curing during storage. This causes the
outer surfaces to contract and the inner
wraps towards the core to be put under
high compressive stresses.
These high compressive stresses force
any air that was wound into the roll to be
compressed and/or forced out the sides.
The web is being center wound at a
constant 80# tension without using a
layon roll to nip the winding roll at the
point the web enters the roll.
The Solution for Buckling Problem
This Laminated Flexible Packaging
product needs to be wound with a
very tight start and then taper the
roll's hardness as the roll builds.
Due to the cooling or curing action
of the material, we would suggest
a 25% to 50% winding tension
taper.
 Remember this slide????

ROLL HARDNESS
PROFILE
125
Ideal Hardness
Ha rdne s s Ta pe r

100 Taper
75 Maximum
50 Hardness Taper

25 Minimum
Hardness Taper
0
Core 60"
Roll Diameter

From Chapter #21 of TAPPI Film Ext. Manual 2nd edition, 2005
Remember this slide????

T.N.T. -Tension Principle of Winding

Common Practice is to start winding
with 50% greater tension then the
unwinding tension.
(See chart on Typical Tension Values-
Paper suggesting unwinding at .035 x
basis weight and winding at .055 x
basis weight.)
 Remember this slide????

Suggested TENSION VALUES Paper

PAPER, Basis Wgt. TENSION LEVELS
15 lbs./ream (3000 sq.ft.) 0.5 pli
20 lbs./ream 0.75 pli
30 lbs./ream 1.0 pli
40 lbs./ream 1.5 pli
60 lbs./ream 2.0 pli
80 lbs./ream 2.5 pli
Unwinding Tension (pli) = paper basis weight x 0.035
Winding Tension (pli) = paper basis weight x 0.055
Conversion Factors lbs./3000 ft2 x 1.63 = = grams/sq. meter
pli x 5.6 = kg/cm
 The Suggested Tension for each
Product Used in the Laminate

Material Tension/Mil x Thickness x Width = Suggested

Tension
PET .5-1.5 pli/mil x .48 mil x 42" = 10-30#

Alum Foil .5-1.5pli/mil x .35 mil x 42 = 7-21#

PE .25-.3 pli/mil x 4.0 mil x 42 = 40-48#

Total Tension = 57# to 99#
 Remember this slide????

Tension Principles of Winding

Taper Tension
Reduce the tension smoothly as
the roll diameter increases:
0 - 50% taper, 25% common
Taper Tension reduces - telescoping,
end crowning, starring and buckling
problems
T.N.T. -Tension Principle of Winding
To obtain the reqd. tight start, it is
suggested that winding tension at
the start be about 100#.
(10# PET, 20# foil and 40# for the PE
= 70# plus 50% greater starting
tension = approx. 100#)
Then tapering the winding tension to
50# (50% taper) at a 36" diameter.
T.N.T. -Nip Principle of Winding
This application AIR is NOT
our Friend!
Should use the nip from a lay-
on roll to build the desired
roll hardness and to minimize
air wound into the roll.
Another Rule of Thumb-

Suggested starting nip is 3 times the

starting tension or
3 x 100# =300#.
 Remember this slide????

Nip Principles of Winding

Nip Load should be
tapered as roll winds to
prevent starring and
telescoping. However,
Larger winding rolls dia.
drags more air and
produces a Nip Taper
Loading with a constant
loading pressure.
 T.N.T. -Nip Principle of Winding
This nip load can be held constant as
the hydraulic pressure of the air
reduces the nip due to the amount of
air being brought into the nip as the
winding roll's diameter builds.
If greater roll hardness taper is desired,
then the nip load can be decreased as
the winding roll's diameter builds to
further decrease the inwound tension
as the roll winds.
Lay-on Nip Roll Added to the
Winder To remove air from the winding roll.
The Solution for Buckling Problem
By increasing the Winding Tension
to 100# at the start and then
tapering to 50# at a 36" diameter.
Then by adding a nip roll which was
used to supply a 300# Constant
Nip to evacuate the air.
The Buckling Problem as the roll
cured was eliminated!
We covered
a Lot of Material in a Short Time
Challenges in Web Handling
Challenges in Web Spreading
Challenges in Slitting
Challenges in Winding
Challenges in Eliminating
Roll and Web Defects
Questions
????
Slide Courtesy of

Dr. David Roisum

Remember this slide???? It was a long while ago !!!!

174 slides in 90 minutes

Goal of this Presentation:
That you will take back at least
a few Gold Nuggets from the
information presented and
apply these to improve the
Productivity & Profitability
of your converting operation
 Thank You!!!
TAPPI
2010 PLACE Extrusion Coating
Short Course
Challenges of
WEB HANDLING AND WINDING
R. Duane Smith
Black Clawson Converting Machinery / D-S LLC