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Quiet by Susan Cain
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In a twist that will surprise precisely no one, this book spends a fair amount of time cheering for introverts. What were the odds, right? I assume if you're picking this book up you're on board with that to a certain extent, and likely something of an introvert yourself.

This book is certainly for you-or for the perplexed extrovert or "pseudo-extrovert" that might be confused by your supposedly mysterious ways. It's a sort of shield, a blockade, a set of reinforced walls that Cain feels it is necessary to throw up around introverts (particularly American introverts) to protect them from the "Extrovered Ideal," of American socialization. The tone of the beginning of the book is thus rather defiant, like Cain is screaming back at everyone she has ever felt pressured by to go to a happy hour or to a dinner party when she had much rather just read a book instead. There's some of this kick-back throughout the book, with plenty of cathartic/sympathetic/rather relatable war stories from introverts just tryin' to make it in an extrovert's world.

It is particularly meant to speak to introverts in the high flying business, legal, and/or educational world, where a premium is put on socializing, teamwork, constant connection and multitasking (I am speaking here particularly of the rarefied worlds of Big Law, Wall Street Finance, and Ivy League academia). It's a very career and work focused book, with a surprisingly frequent focus on the bottom line about what traits introverts are more likely to have and how these should be recognized at the top tables in all fields. Her argument, based on one scientific study after another throughout the chapters (deployed like so much artillery), is that introverts tend to think more deeply about problems and persist for longer in trying to solve them. Introverts are supposedly more likely to care about the feelings of others, to make excellent compromising leaders, and to be excellent negotiators (Cain's particular area of expertise) based on their ability to seem soft and actually be tough at the same time. She scorns the merely "shy" as extroverts in disguise who share extroverts' traits and want the spotlight but who are just too scared to get it (she would never say this outright, but it is clear that she believes they don't deserve the secret introvert password and is determined to keep out the riffraff). She argues that the extroverts in powerful positions she has seen are more likely to take unjustified risks, to get hopped up on testosterone and the thrill of the chase, to listen to the loudest person in the room, and to walk all over introverts.

She readily admits the nuances in these sweeping generalizations. She also admits the worth of extroverts and how introverts greatly enjoy and need their company, both professionally and personally. In addition, she also talks about some legitimate times when introverts may devote time and energy to being extroverted (if they care about something enough- "Free Trait Theory"). Finally, and in the part that I most appreciated, Cain talks a bit about the "Situational" theory of personality- that is, that people's personalities can be completely different in different situations, times and around different people. Therefore, there are very few "pure" introverts or "pure" extroverts. She also admits that the way that these generalized "traits" play out may look very different and may, after all, not be very predictive in any direct way. (Many extroverts may have excellent impulse control, or introverts who care deeply about a cause may act frequently and completely out of character in order to fight for what they believe in.)

However, the space devoted to these arguments is much, much smaller than the space devoted to proving, endlessly, how awesome introverts are and why the professional world should value them and stop trying to tell them that they have to be like extroverts because I'm okay and you're okay and it takes all kinds and a village to make the world go round.

And honestly? This is a message that's happening to hit me at the right time, when I'm involved in a workplace with a whole lot of extroverts surrounding me. I did find it useful in my particular mindset where I am actively waging a struggle to define my own style in a new profession, since introversion is a part of my identity. I also thought that some of the studies she cited DO make a lot of sense and should be more widely looked at (like the ones that talk about why it's a good idea to ask people to provide feedback and brainstorm online rather than in big meetings or why introverts with closed door offices are more productive or some of the advice to parents about how to cherish their introverted child). I also think that it's nice to have someone sounding the alert that someone speaking quietly is not wrong by default- turn on cable news for thirty seconds and you'll be reminded why that is important.

And yet, despite the evident time put into this book, and despite my bias towards it, I couldn't shake the feeling of cynical questioning of what felt like a great deal of pop psychology and arguments made based on feelings, anecdotes and newspaper clippings collected into a narrative. It felt like a file you might keep to make yourself feel better and to express an important part of your identity, rather than a research paper and I'm sure it was aiming at something closer to that crossed with an advice column. There's such a lot of speculation in here, and lots of scientific studies without citations or countervailing evidence brought into play. (For example, it certainly didn't help that the minute after I read one of the more fluffy scientific studies in here about how we Americans as a culture are more drawn to people that display significantly more traditionally dominant body language in pictures I saw it in an issue of Marie Claire in a box near the back of the magazine reconfigured to be about women being attracted to men and how you've gotta look aggressive and Manly to get us ladiezz don't you know?) It just seems like a book written for a specific audience that you can rely on to make that leap to "just know" what you mean because they've got an emotional bank of misunderstood years and moments to draw on. In short, it appeals to an "emotional truth" built on hundreds of pages of stories and studies that may or may not add up to anything at all. On the one hand, it's maybe okay to create a space for a "community" of sorts to feel and process some of that- on the other hand, it will drag down the overall quality of that work into something closer to a melancholy history crossed with a dinner party argument.

Therefore, despite its strengths, and despite the personal enjoyment and help that I have taken from the book at this particular time, I can't rate it as more than an above average read. An intellectualized comfort read for introverted professionals, really, if such a specialized category really exists. I can't rate it higher when I feel like one good scholarly journal review would take the whole theory down, especially when it feels like an argument for corporations to pay introverts more a lot of the time. Nonetheless, a lot of interesting questions asked, a lot of self-reflection inspired. Recommended for my fellow introverts if you're at a place where you feel like something like I described above might be helpful to you at this time. Otherwise, I'd say you could skip it or just watch her TED talk instead.
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April 6, 2013 – Shelved as: 21st-century
April 6, 2013 – Shelved
April 6, 2013 – Shelved as: owned
April 6, 2013 – Shelved as: philosophy-theory-criticism
April 6, 2013 – Shelved as: its-the-quiet-ones
April 6, 2013 –
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9.01% "This more than slightly ranty and self-righteous and definitely biased. But it's biased towards me so let's be real. I'm gonna keep reading."
April 6, 2013 –
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24.02% "Since this is the sort of book that encourages some degree of navel gazing, I wen and re-took a Meyers Briggs test to see if it would be any different than the last times I did it, years ago. Nope. INFJ, as ever. Firmly classed with the introverts: http://www.16personalities.com/infj-p..."
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message 1: by Kelly (last edited Apr 16, 2013 04:36AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kelly I loved the conversation that it inspired! I think Meyers-Briggs and all that is fascinating. I'm still reading up on it intermittently. I just can't give this more than three stars because it seemed to position itself as more scholarly than I think the book actually was. Lots of interesting ideas, but because of the obvious bias, lack of citations, and the "pay us introverts more money and attention!" angle, it ended up making me feel cynical about how true a lot of actually was and how much was anecdote strung together by cherry-picked scientific studies.


message 2: by ariel (new)

ariel haha this review is amazing. i'm looking for a book on myers briggs myself... im thinking of getting Gifts Differing: Understanding Personality Type but would love a recommendation.


Kelly I don't really know any other books about this, actually. I have just been reading online. Let me know if you find a good one! This is a fine exploration of the "I" part of your personality. A few flaws, I don't buy the whole thing, but some interesting ideas to consider.


message 4: by ariel (new)

ariel yeah but im an I without any of the good parts like deep introspection or a fulfilling interior world or a creative mind, so i think id just find this frustrating.


Kelly I've seen your reviews! To judge from that, there's definitely some introspection and creativity there! But in any case, while Cain does gravitate to talk about issues like that, she also talks about more basic introvert "needs" like downtime, being quieter in conversation, alternate methods of communication (for some, especially in the workplace), support in trying something new, small group socializing, things like that.


message 6: by Lilo (new) - added it

Lilo Kelly, would you please contact me again. My computer has crashed, and I cannot find the message you sent me anymore. Your profile page does not allow sending messages.


Kelly I did not contact you. I think you might have me confused with someone else.


Hayley I think your review was astute. Reading this book was validating for me (an introvert), but conclusions the book drew were fuzzy, sometimes too general, and based on personality profiles that are fuzzy to begin with.


Kelly Yes, I think that is a nice succinct way to say it, much more succinct than I was able to do. It's a nice comfort read to make you feel better, but I doubt it would stand up as more than that with all the anecdotal and pop-science evidence it quotes.


message 10: by Val (new) - rated it 2 stars

Val Thanks for saying exactly what I thought as I was reading.


Kelly I appreciate you commenting to say so! I thought I was perhaps a bit harsh on the book, given that I did get a lot out of it personally at the time, but I think that people should be warned to take a lot of it with at least a pinch of salt.


message 12: by Denise (new) - added it

Denise Whoa! I agree whole-heartedly with this review. As an introvert who also suffers from extreme social anxiety, you'd think this book would give me cause to celebrate, but I found it giving me pause more often than not. Thank you for putting my thoughts down for me so succinctly.


Kelly Yeah, I wish that I could be more unabashedly for this book. But due to the methodology and the purpose of the book I think that a lot of introverts will find cause to pause.


message 14: by [deleted user] (new)

But isn't the point of argumentation picking pieces of evidence that will support your claim? Otherwise, thanks for this review! I haven't read it before but I might, just to see what the hype is all about.


Mukesh Kumar Very well put. I too have a soft spot for the author for choosing such a subject, still agree with your review totally.


Kelly Thanks!


Íris I'm only 12% into the book and I'm already thinking exactly what you thought. It's annoying me to be honest.


Petter Wolff Very well put. Now I don't need to write a review of my own, I'll just point to yours :)
I'm 100 pages in and think I'll stop (perhaps watch the TED instead), I don't need the affirmation and think I'll find little else.
Thanks!


Alejandra Arevalo Totally agree with you Kelly, right now I´m like Iris in about 23% of the book and I´m getting particular annoying for the lack of citations and that it is contrary to she´s idea of an introvert need and the feeling that the book try to inspire about that the introverts are better than the extroverts. I introvert myself, love the time for contemplation, agree with almost all the things she consider as a introverts needing, but too these book has nothing new on it, maybe in north america the separation is really a problem, but where I live I have never have problems to be a introvert, to be shy yes, but not introvert, you have to have the courage of been who you are all the time, and the people will acept it. Now I started the book because I know someone who read these and started to live even more by himself, and used the book like a kind of mantra to the rest (of the world) that he is better. So I will finish it for him, but the idea dont excited to much.


Kelly Yes, it is frustrating not to be able to totally support and agree with a book that is created, in part, totally for me. If you're not excited about it don't finish it!


message 21: by Soyekwo (new) - added it

Soyekwo Rogers people am new in this whole thing. i beg to be guide on how to use it...Thank you


message 22: by Cass (new) - rated it 3 stars

Cass I agree with you completely. I'm halfway through this book and although it's a bit of an ego boost to see all my positive attributes praised and glorified, Cain does not comment much on the drawbacks of being introverted. And the opposite seems to be said of extraversion. I personally enjoyed the book throroughly, and appreciated the insights into some of my personality traits, but in the eyes of a critic I have to say that Cain comes across as very biased. I feel I have to give this book two ratings: I give it 4/5 for me, but when recommending it to someone else, I'd give it 3/5.


Kelly Yeah. It's one of those books that it's definitely a cheerleading sort of book. Which, fine, introverts don't get a lot of those. But it's a perspective that might be healthy for some introverts to adopt, that might be inspiring if you are an introvert in a certain profession especially. It's purpose is totally biased, and that's fine- as long as everyone realizes that and is able to put those "eyes of a critic" on some of its claims and not present them as fact.


message 24: by Tristan (new)

Tristan I really enjoyed this, but I read it so long ago (and at such a young age) that I remember very little of it. Looking back, I completely agree with your review; the book definitely ignores some counter-evidence, but I've seen most popular nonfiction tends to be a little less scrupulous with its science than maybe it should be. You make a very nice point about its benefits weighed against its flaws.


Kelly Thank you. Yes, it is not as scrupulous as it should be for an argument that deals so heavily in statistics and the supposed "thoughtful" powers of introverts.


message 26: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer Hettenbach Damn,dude


Andrew Simpson A good review - I can't disagree with most of your points but I do feel this kind of book was needed and has started some interesting discussions. No-one should take anything written in this book as fact but hopefully it gets people to question the evidence behind similar statements about extroversion.

I do feel the shy comment in your review was a little harsh on the author. I can see very easily why you would want to state the difference between them in a book like this as the terms do tend to get confused a lot. It doesn't mean you can't be introverted and shy.


message 28: by Jim (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jim Holy Shit. This might be the best review I've seen on Goodreads. Most of the reviewers of this title are all "yay it's me! and I'm GOOD!". You are like "sounds like me but wait a minute". Following you from now on if you'll allow


Kelly Thanks, and of course!

I get why so many people just love this whole-hog, of course, but I don't personally think it does anyone a service to get all defensive about this book. Doesn't Cain say introverts are often more thoughtful? Well, let's show that, guys!


Andrew Simpson Completely agree with your last comment - sorry if my comment was one of those that came across as defensive. I really liked your review and was being a bit picky on a tiny part of it.

I wasn't defending the book itself but thought the separation of shyness from introversion was actually really valuable and it actually did change the way I see myself and some people I know.

I wrote my comment a bit early though (after watching her TED talk and being about 50% of the way through the book). Towards the end she seems to just keep mixing up the terms herself and contradicting herself.


message 31: by Jeffrey (new)

Jeffrey Warner This is a really great review. I appreciate you taking the time to write it!


Kelly Thanks Jeffrey.

And no, Andrew, I didn't think you personally were coming off as defensive. That was a reference to others.


message 33: by [deleted user] (new)

This review is so odd to me for two reasons. The first being sociology and psychology, unlike other sciences, are inherently fluid - each individual's brain can function and respond differently to stimulus at any given time due to the complexity of contributing factors. For this reason scientific research concerning behavior is still relatively young; asking Cain to present more citation than she has is almost unreasonable. Yes, she is mostly theorizing but, with the given data currently available, it seems that is as far as anyone could expect her to go. Secondly, my copy of the book has 45 pages of notes in which she gives literal citations for much of the scientific information in the book; this allows you, as the reader, the power to cross-check and scrutinize the content and context of each of her assertions. I wouldn't say you're wrong about your hazy feelings but, it seems like they come more from your personal desire for concrete evidence than from Cain asserting the information she has provided creates a bulletproof conclusion. She does what many good psychologists do; she asks questions to get the audience to consider their own perspectives, and possibly previously unknown perspectives in the process. I don't recall ever feeling like she was closing the door to interpretation in the process but, my experience only reflects how I percieved her tone.


Stephanie Stanton I think your review is well thought out and astute. I like the way you are trying to be critical and step back from your personal inclination to go all out and give it 4 stars. Something about it made you hold back and I know what you mean. But I also agree with Elizabeth above; the nature of sociology and psychology is fluid, soft and certainly still in its infancy. I'm sure if our passion was to find counter-evidence for some of her sighted studied, there would be some. To add to this, there always limitations in any study in this field.

Cain did a pretty good job I feel of pooling her sources together and presenting them in a very accessible way and I will be looking at some of her appendix content more closely.

Like you, raising awareness of the need for different approaches to brain storming was something that stood out from the book and should definitely be considered more as an approach for gathering ideas. That along with the need for a rethink about how the workplace and even schools are designed were issues I had grappled with and debated about with friends/ colleagues before. Now I understand more clearly why I had my reservations about what I now view as our extrovert favouring ways of running things.

It's fair to say that in her attempt to raise the profile of and give a voice to the introverts, helping them feel ok with who they truly are, she has been successful. I make this judging by the general feed back, and as a classic introvert myself, how the book personally made me feel.

I am deciding whether to give it a 3 or 4 also. But I feel more inclined to go with 4.

Again, your review was insightful and refreshing.


message 35: by David (new)

David Metting Very helpful review! I am halfway through the book and am having similarly ambivalent feelings. The lack of citations frustrates me as well.


message 36: by John (new)

John Great review that convinced me to follow the advice in your last sentence, saving me time and frustration. Thanks!


Jenalee Great review. You nailed exactly what I've been thinking while reading it. I thought that I (as a text book extrovert) was just being sensitive to her diatribe on the louder ones, but that would be impossible right? Cain clearly explains that only introverts are possible of sensitivity.


Kelly Thanks- yes I think this wound up being more of a commiseration after the end of a long week amongst introverts than she wanted it to be.


message 39: by Elie (new) - added it

Elie Lebbos Awesome review... I have no interest in reading a book cheering for a portion of society because of some temperamental characteristic.


Rachel Y nice review!


Kelly Thanks!


message 42: by Amber (new) - rated it 1 star

Amber Thank you for this honest review, especially since you identify as an introvert. I'm an extrovert--I read this book im order to attempt to gain some understanding of those that think so differently than me. Let me just say that Meyers Briggs I'm ENFP, which is the "least extroverted" of the extroverts, and also that I am NOT a person who takes everything that I disagree with as a personal attack. But DANG. This book made me feel like absolute crap...like I am only put into positions of leadership because I shove my way in, not because I truly deserve them. I have no idea how difficult it is to be introverted in this extroverted world. It's why I read this book. But instead of really learning anything I couldn't learn from an online essay, I felt like this book spent the majority of it angry at me because I'm loud. and look, I freely admit I need to shut up sometimes and listen to my introverted friends and coworkers. But I think it should be understood that extroverts aren't loud and crazy talkers because we are choosing to be rude...just like introverts are naturally who they are, we are naturally who we are. Sometimes I WISH I could just chill out, but it's just not how I work. to blame extroverts on basically all the world's problems is obnoxious. We are nlt purposely ignoring introverts' contributions...it is just that bexause our brains are all wired differently, we often honestly don't understand that someone with an opinion wouldn't just SAY IT. I read this books for this vrry reason; to try to be more self aware of when I am railroading others. In the end, I just feel blamed for every mistake humanity every made. I jist wish there was something out there that showed how both extroverts and introverts are BOTH necessary to running this lovely planet. I personally need introverts in my life to challenge me. And if this were a world of introverts, well...I'd like to know how that could possibly work.

i know some will read this and accuse me of just being upset because all the faults of extroverts she mentions are ones I have. and I do have some. But we aren't less intelligent, and we are less EMOTIONALLY intelligent. We just THINK DIFFERENTLY. and with that, I'll end my review is a true extrovert way: with all caps and yelling.


message 43: by Amber (new) - rated it 1 star

Amber (Apologies for the typos. my phone is having keyboard issues every since in had an unfortunate encounter with a glass od sweet tea.


Kelly :) No worries. Anyway, it seems like you read this from laudable motives and I hear that you feel hurt by her points about extroverts and I get why. There are a lot of remarks that can be read as hostile. I would really really hold on to your great thought about "everyone being wired differently" because I think Cain agrees with you, but my read was she's *also* felt attacked for years for just being wired the way *she* is, and this is her defensive reaction to that- I think all those feelings you're feeling, she's felt too, and it resulted in this book, you know? And this is what happens when people feel unappreciated by each other and can't communicate well- we all feel attacked and defensive and upset and can't hear each other and what we're really saying, you know? (She actually does say several times that extroverts and introverts need each other, and extroverts have lots of value, for example, but I appreciate that's hard to remember after the rest of it.) We're too deep in our fight or flight reaction by then. That's part of another thing I found troublesome about this book- rather than just saying "here's what you might find of value in quiet people", it had to become about who is better than who because that's how American society operates, it's perceived as all zero-sum in so many worlds, when of course it's much more cooperative than that.

I think the best and kindest thing I can maybe say is to think about this book like you just walked in on someone's group therapy session, where it's assumed all listeners have similar issues, you know? She's not thinking about your feelings in the room right now. Does that make sense?


message 45: by SLT (new) - rated it 5 stars

SLT Respectfully, I loved the book. And I do think introverts are awesome and deserve more praise and respect and appreciation. Full disclosure, I fall smack dab in the middle of the specialized category of introverted professionals you describe. My professional background is actually quite similar to Cain's. In the legal field specifically, there are boundless examples of extroverts forcing their ideas forward, not because they are the smartest or most circumspect or correct, but because they are the loudest and most aggressive. Better to win than to be right. While this book was not the most academically weighty or cite-supported work I have ever encountered, I think it's tough to strike the balance between scientific and accessible. She could have cited more academic articles or other studies, but that would have gotten boring in a hurry. I think she struck a good balance. I feel both informed and entertained. Sure, there was a little bit of preaching to the choir. A book applauding introverts, for introverts. But I think it's high time we had a champion. Boisterous assertiveness and outgoing enthusiasm gets plenty of praise. Introverts are the underdogs in many settings, and I think they/we are widely misunderstood. I can appreciate what you're saying, but I don't know how she could have implemented all your suggestions and still had the book be as readable and enjoyable as it was.


message 46: by [deleted user] (new)

Nailed it!


Kelly Thanks!


Angello Ioakimides ...how would you make it better?


message 49: by Neeraj (new) - added it

Neeraj I'm an introvert, will this book help to improve my personality and open up more with people ??


Angello Ioakimides Neeraj wrote: "I'm an introvert, will this book help to improve my personality and open up more with people ??"

It DOES tell you how the brain is trainable, what you need to secure in order to be happy and yet to be free to choose your path, even if it involves predominantly extrovert activities. Knowing one's self is the first step to choosing how they want to live happy.

I hope this answers your question.


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