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Blindsighted (Grant County, #1)
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Feb 20, 2013
bookshelves: crime, murder, rape, georgia, series-debut, autopsy, marriage, divorce, coroner, medical-examiner, forensic-evidence, barry-award-nominee-for-best-first, 2013, macavity-award-nominee-for-best-fi, mystery
Blindsighted: Karin Slaughter's first Sara Linton novel
And the publishers announce:
First there was Patricia Cornwell!
THEN there was Kathy Reichs!
NOW GET READY FOR KARIN SLAUGHTER!
Karin Slaughter
Welcome to Grant County, Georgia. Don't look for it on a Georgia map. It isn't there. And in this fictional County, there's a fictional town. It's a small town called Heartsdale, somewhere around Madison, but before you hit Augusta.
Eddie Linton and Daughters is a plumbing company in town. But it should be Linton and Daughter. Tessa works with her father. Sara grew up and went to medical school and became a pediatrician.
After medical school Sara returns home and takes over the town medical clinic. The nearest hospital is in Augusta. She married Jeff Tolliver, the County Sheriff, but divorced him after he cheated on her with the town sign painter.
Life's complicated when your Ex is the Sheriff and you're not only the town's pediatrician, but also the County Coroner. You bump into your Ex a lot more than you might like. Actually, Jeff wouldn't mind patching things up. After all, he only had that affair because he wanted Sara to need him as much as he needed her. Uh-huh. What? Could this be a new genre? "Crimance?"
Sara definitely doesn't want Jeff back in her life. She's dated the town pharmacist, Jeb, off and on. It hasn't been anything serious. Sara really doesn't have the time.
Things turn nasty when Sara has lunch with her sister Tessa down at Pete's Diner. She steps into the bathroom to wash her hands and finds herself in the middle of a crime scene. Sybil Adams is sitting on the john. Someone has carved a cross into her. Sybil dies in convulsions in Sara's arms as she bleeds out on the bathroom floor.
From whence does the title come? Why, from Belladonna from the Italian meaning "beautiful woman." Traditionally the plant was used to cause dilation of the pupils to make a woman appear more seductive. Use too much of the stuff, you become so sensitive to light you can see nothing, and it's a powerful hallucinogenic, causing paralysis, loss of memory, and convulsions.
Belladona
Sybil was blind. Hmmm...in Roman mythology Sybil was a "Seeress." Well, maybe it was just a coincidental choice and not an attempt at irony. She was a professor at the small college. She was also a lesbian. Was it a hate crime? More conflict rises because her sister Lena is one of Sheriff Tolliver's Detectives. She's out to find her own justice for her sister's death.
Sara's autopsy reveals that Sybil was also raped and sodomized. A second victim is found draped across Sarah's car. She had been crucified in x form, and repeatedly raped and sodomized. She was also stabbed. Sara prevents her death by cracking her chest and massaging her heart. When this young woman begins to tell of her experience, Jeff realizes he's got an escalating serial rapist/killer on his hands.
Slaughter relentlessly turns up the pace when Jeff's detective Lena, Sibyl's sister is the next woman to disappear. Slaughter has the ability to keep you flipping the pages to see what happens next.
Could Sara be the next victim, Jeff worries. Can he find his missing detective?
Blindsighted is a decent series debut. Karin Slaughter has sold a gazillion books. The book blurbs glow.
BUT: I wish I could have liked this book more. The herrings herein are very, very, red. There's the homophobic doper. And a ridiculous stab at an incident of token racism, when some townsmen assume that an aged black man musta dun it. OH, PLEASE! C'MON!
I anticipated the identity of the perp long before the end. While on the surface of things, Sara appears proficient in her forensic skills, she is a pediatrician, not a pathologist. If Sara ever makes it to court, it wouldn't be pretty. Oh. Dang. Spoiler alert: If the perp never survives, you don't have to worry about witness qualification.
And, by the way, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has a death investigation division with either four to five regional laboratories staffed with pathologists. Georgia uses a Medical Examiner System. The Coroner calls for an autopsy, but bodies are transported to the labs for the autopsies. Now, I do understand that six Georgia counties are not covered by GBI, so considering Grant County is fictional anyway, well, heck this is a work of fiction. Interestingly, Slaughter also refers to Sara as a medical examiner in one paragraph in which she also calls her a coroner.
I'm jaded. Twenty-eight years in a District Attorney's Office will do that to you. If you think I'm too hard in my assessment of Karin Slaughter, don't get me started on John Grisham. D.A. does NOT stand for dumb ass, Mr. Grisham.
One thing I must acknowledge. Karin Slaughter has the dynamics of rape and men who rape down with great accuracy. For the dialogue, pacing, and that knowledge, I give this 3.5 our of five stars.
Having said all that, of course I already have the second book in the series. I admit I like it when the good guys win.
And the publishers announce:
First there was Patricia Cornwell!
THEN there was Kathy Reichs!
NOW GET READY FOR KARIN SLAUGHTER!
Karin Slaughter
Welcome to Grant County, Georgia. Don't look for it on a Georgia map. It isn't there. And in this fictional County, there's a fictional town. It's a small town called Heartsdale, somewhere around Madison, but before you hit Augusta.
Eddie Linton and Daughters is a plumbing company in town. But it should be Linton and Daughter. Tessa works with her father. Sara grew up and went to medical school and became a pediatrician.
After medical school Sara returns home and takes over the town medical clinic. The nearest hospital is in Augusta. She married Jeff Tolliver, the County Sheriff, but divorced him after he cheated on her with the town sign painter.
Life's complicated when your Ex is the Sheriff and you're not only the town's pediatrician, but also the County Coroner. You bump into your Ex a lot more than you might like. Actually, Jeff wouldn't mind patching things up. After all, he only had that affair because he wanted Sara to need him as much as he needed her. Uh-huh. What? Could this be a new genre? "Crimance?"
Sara definitely doesn't want Jeff back in her life. She's dated the town pharmacist, Jeb, off and on. It hasn't been anything serious. Sara really doesn't have the time.
Things turn nasty when Sara has lunch with her sister Tessa down at Pete's Diner. She steps into the bathroom to wash her hands and finds herself in the middle of a crime scene. Sybil Adams is sitting on the john. Someone has carved a cross into her. Sybil dies in convulsions in Sara's arms as she bleeds out on the bathroom floor.
From whence does the title come? Why, from Belladonna from the Italian meaning "beautiful woman." Traditionally the plant was used to cause dilation of the pupils to make a woman appear more seductive. Use too much of the stuff, you become so sensitive to light you can see nothing, and it's a powerful hallucinogenic, causing paralysis, loss of memory, and convulsions.
Belladona
Sybil was blind. Hmmm...in Roman mythology Sybil was a "Seeress." Well, maybe it was just a coincidental choice and not an attempt at irony. She was a professor at the small college. She was also a lesbian. Was it a hate crime? More conflict rises because her sister Lena is one of Sheriff Tolliver's Detectives. She's out to find her own justice for her sister's death.
Sara's autopsy reveals that Sybil was also raped and sodomized. A second victim is found draped across Sarah's car. She had been crucified in x form, and repeatedly raped and sodomized. She was also stabbed. Sara prevents her death by cracking her chest and massaging her heart. When this young woman begins to tell of her experience, Jeff realizes he's got an escalating serial rapist/killer on his hands.
Slaughter relentlessly turns up the pace when Jeff's detective Lena, Sibyl's sister is the next woman to disappear. Slaughter has the ability to keep you flipping the pages to see what happens next.
Could Sara be the next victim, Jeff worries. Can he find his missing detective?
Blindsighted is a decent series debut. Karin Slaughter has sold a gazillion books. The book blurbs glow.
BUT: I wish I could have liked this book more. The herrings herein are very, very, red. There's the homophobic doper. And a ridiculous stab at an incident of token racism, when some townsmen assume that an aged black man musta dun it. OH, PLEASE! C'MON!
I anticipated the identity of the perp long before the end. While on the surface of things, Sara appears proficient in her forensic skills, she is a pediatrician, not a pathologist. If Sara ever makes it to court, it wouldn't be pretty. Oh. Dang. Spoiler alert: If the perp never survives, you don't have to worry about witness qualification.
And, by the way, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has a death investigation division with either four to five regional laboratories staffed with pathologists. Georgia uses a Medical Examiner System. The Coroner calls for an autopsy, but bodies are transported to the labs for the autopsies. Now, I do understand that six Georgia counties are not covered by GBI, so considering Grant County is fictional anyway, well, heck this is a work of fiction. Interestingly, Slaughter also refers to Sara as a medical examiner in one paragraph in which she also calls her a coroner.
I'm jaded. Twenty-eight years in a District Attorney's Office will do that to you. If you think I'm too hard in my assessment of Karin Slaughter, don't get me started on John Grisham. D.A. does NOT stand for dumb ass, Mr. Grisham.
One thing I must acknowledge. Karin Slaughter has the dynamics of rape and men who rape down with great accuracy. For the dialogue, pacing, and that knowledge, I give this 3.5 our of five stars.
Having said all that, of course I already have the second book in the series. I admit I like it when the good guys win.
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Thanks for the fun review!
I enjoyed one from the Will Trent series, a GBI guy humbled with functional illiteracy and foster home background instead of a superwoman doctor for hero.
If you are buying e-books, I guess you miss getting hooked by the attractiveness of the author. But you just had to track down the PR shot of the author, and then you just had to make a mug-shot comparison. Just pushing the PC envelope, buster. :-)
I enjoyed one from the Will Trent series, a GBI guy humbled with functional illiteracy and foster home background instead of a superwoman doctor for hero.
If you are buying e-books, I guess you miss getting hooked by the attractiveness of the author. But you just had to track down the PR shot of the author, and then you just had to make a mug-shot comparison. Just pushing the PC envelope, buster. :-)
Mike I loved your review. In addition to it being a fun review of a 'belladonna"- looking author, I also found myself saying, "Amen." People assume that I read a lot of legal thrillers or watch television legal dramas because I am a lawyer. Unfortunately, my being a lawyer often prevents my enjoying them if they lack authenticity or if they deviate from the way the legal system really works. You know? --especially the kind where the lawyer is out finding the real killer just hours before he gives closing argument, wherein he reveals the evidence. :) I know that was not the case here, but it reminded me of why I don't read as much in this area as might be expected. But I did enjoy this review. Thank you.
Thanks for your good effort to help me become a Karin Slaughter fan! I have read some of her books, have most of them; now the hard part: find the time to read them.
Autumn wrote: "I LOVE this book! I love all of her books actually."
I remembered that, Autumn! I think you were looking forward to seeing her at the Alabama Festival of Books last year. Thanks for your comment and your time in reading the review!
I remembered that, Autumn! I think you were looking forward to seeing her at the Alabama Festival of Books last year. Thanks for your comment and your time in reading the review!
Michael wrote: "Thanks for the fun review!
I enjoyed one from the Will Trent series, a GBI guy humbled with functional illiteracy and foster home background instead of a superwoman doctor for hero.
If you are buy..."
Moi? Not politically correct? Why, never, never. I was just gathering evidence. You know...a photo line-up. Yep. Thanks for your comment. I did have fun with this one.
I enjoyed one from the Will Trent series, a GBI guy humbled with functional illiteracy and foster home background instead of a superwoman doctor for hero.
If you are buy..."
Moi? Not politically correct? Why, never, never. I was just gathering evidence. You know...a photo line-up. Yep. Thanks for your comment. I did have fun with this one.
Does this book contain large info dumps on Forensics for Dummies? That's my main complaint on Patricia Cornwell and I have no desire to read any more of that type of thing.
Steve wrote: "Mike I loved your review. In addition to it being a fun review of a 'belladonna"- looking author, I also found myself saying, "Amen." People assume that I read a lot of legal thrillers or watch t..."
My "Brother in Law," may I join you in that AMEN. Thanks so much for reading and your comments. Following is a little something for you and the rest of the "Brethren." *GRIN*
A Desultorily Docketed Philippic
I been Law and Ordered, Drawn and quartered,
John Lescroarted, Nancy Rosenbergered,
Been dumbfounded, bamboozled till I'm blind
Gavin Stevens won't you please come home?
I been CSI'ed, from coast to coast
Been L.A.-ed, Miami-ed, and New York-ed
Been Dextered, Castled, mystified
DNA'ed till I was damn near called dumb day to day.
I been Barry Siegeled, called illegal,
Been John Grishamed, ought to be ashamed,
Lost my wits with Bill Caunitz
Nancy Grace won't you go dance again?
Been over ruled, sustained, affirmed, upheld
Profiled by the FBI, I'm Lincoln Lawyered
Been Jason Gideoned and Joe Rossied
But I don't have no criminal mind
Cause the BAU said I know my stuff
And all the lawyers say I'm tough.
I done paid my dues, play by the rules
Duly noted, legally licensed, I'm in the bar.
But I learned the truth from Atticus Finch
I'm the good guy at the bench.
Public service won't buy me health or wealth
But it beats hell out of greed and stealth.
So, it's all right, Ma. Got no complaints, Pa.
Not a peep. I get a good night's sleep.
Been televised, stupified, back slapped and glad handed
But I got the strength of my convictions most of the time.
(Insert harmonica riff)
I lost my Black's Dictionary, Steve.
Law rock.
With apologies to Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel. *KOFF*
My "Brother in Law," may I join you in that AMEN. Thanks so much for reading and your comments. Following is a little something for you and the rest of the "Brethren." *GRIN*
A Desultorily Docketed Philippic
I been Law and Ordered, Drawn and quartered,
John Lescroarted, Nancy Rosenbergered,
Been dumbfounded, bamboozled till I'm blind
Gavin Stevens won't you please come home?
I been CSI'ed, from coast to coast
Been L.A.-ed, Miami-ed, and New York-ed
Been Dextered, Castled, mystified
DNA'ed till I was damn near called dumb day to day.
I been Barry Siegeled, called illegal,
Been John Grishamed, ought to be ashamed,
Lost my wits with Bill Caunitz
Nancy Grace won't you go dance again?
Been over ruled, sustained, affirmed, upheld
Profiled by the FBI, I'm Lincoln Lawyered
Been Jason Gideoned and Joe Rossied
But I don't have no criminal mind
Cause the BAU said I know my stuff
And all the lawyers say I'm tough.
I done paid my dues, play by the rules
Duly noted, legally licensed, I'm in the bar.
But I learned the truth from Atticus Finch
I'm the good guy at the bench.
Public service won't buy me health or wealth
But it beats hell out of greed and stealth.
So, it's all right, Ma. Got no complaints, Pa.
Not a peep. I get a good night's sleep.
Been televised, stupified, back slapped and glad handed
But I got the strength of my convictions most of the time.
(Insert harmonica riff)
I lost my Black's Dictionary, Steve.
Law rock.
With apologies to Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel. *KOFF*
Larry wrote: "Thanks for your good effort to help me become a Karin Slaughter fan! I have read some of her books, have most of them; now the hard part: find the time to read them."
Thanks, Larry. I know exactly what you mean about time. One great thing about goodreads is finding out great recommendations. One bad thing is I find so much, I will have to grow old as Methuselah to read everything I would like. :)
Thanks, Larry. I know exactly what you mean about time. One great thing about goodreads is finding out great recommendations. One bad thing is I find so much, I will have to grow old as Methuselah to read everything I would like. :)
AndrewP wrote: "Does this book contain large info dumps on Forensics for Dummies? That's my main complaint on Patricia Cornwell and I have no desire to read any more of that type of thing."
No large dumps of forensics. It's actually a bit on the short side in that area. Lightning fast blood test results for toxins and DNA established in two weeks.
No large dumps of forensics. It's actually a bit on the short side in that area. Lightning fast blood test results for toxins and DNA established in two weeks.
I loved your comments on this one and the new genre "Crimance?"
I'm not that quick on my feet but I know there are more of these...hmmm, let me think. Would the Jesse Stone series qualify. I know there's more.
I'm not that quick on my feet but I know there are more of these...hmmm, let me think. Would the Jesse Stone series qualify. I know there's more.
Carol wrote: "I loved your comments on this one and the new genre "Crimance?"
I'm not that quick on my feet but I know there are more of these...hmmm, let me think. Would the Jesse Stone series qualify. I know t..."
Thanks, Carol. Oh, they're out there. *grin* I prefer crime novels, hard-boiled, and noir, most of which lie outside the realm of the rules of evidence.
Don't go thinking I haven't got a heart. I BELIEVE in romance. At the risk of being laughed out of the men's club, TheNotebook can still put a tear in my beer.
I'm not that quick on my feet but I know there are more of these...hmmm, let me think. Would the Jesse Stone series qualify. I know t..."
Thanks, Carol. Oh, they're out there. *grin* I prefer crime novels, hard-boiled, and noir, most of which lie outside the realm of the rules of evidence.
Don't go thinking I haven't got a heart. I BELIEVE in romance. At the risk of being laughed out of the men's club, TheNotebook can still put a tear in my beer.
Mike said "At the risk of being laughed out of the men's club, TheNotebook can still put a tear in my beer."
I've been known to be less than romantic, but I liked The Notebook too! Songs are more apt to make tears in my beer!
I've been known to be less than romantic, but I liked The Notebook too! Songs are more apt to make tears in my beer!
I'm a bit conflicted about this series. I've read several of the books and liked them but then found I just was put off by the level of violence, the sheer level of blood and most of the violence aimed at women. Not sure if the books changed or my tolerance level did. So I stopped reading them.
Mike wrote: "...A Desultorily Docketed Philippic
...
Brilliant--love it!
(S&G had rap before its time: "Been Norman Mailered, Maxwell Taylored, been Rolling Stoned and Beatled til I'm blind ...")
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Brilliant--love it!
(S&G had rap before its time: "Been Norman Mailered, Maxwell Taylored, been Rolling Stoned and Beatled til I'm blind ...")
Sue wrote: "I'm a bit conflicted about this series. I've read several of the books and liked them but then found I just was put off by the level of violence, the sheer level of blood and most of the violence a..."
It's rather an interesting phenomenon, isn't it? Rather like shuddering at ghost stories around the campfire. What is it that makes "us"--enjoy watching a train wreck? I think it's because we tell ourselves these things don't really happen. But they do. And we tell ourselves that even if the do happen, why, it would never happen to me. What baffled me the most as an ADA was when violence was laid out in front of a jury, how judgmental of the victim's behavior they could be. Of course the defense took that tact. Especially in cases of sexual assault. For many years I conducted our Grand Jury proceedings. It was highly educational for me as a trial lawyer. In the Grand Jury, I got to hear what jurors actually thought. I heard their questions. In cases of sexual assault, women were more judgmental of a woman's behavior than the men. "Well, I wouldn't ever have put myself in that position." So I learned in trying a case that often it was more important to proceed as a defense attorney for the victim, explaining their behavior, addressing the points I had encountered time and again within the confines of the Grand Jury. Interestingly, it worked, most of the time. Of course I lost cases. But not very many of them.
I think I understand your conflict over this series. I will read at least one more, perhaps more. But when I find a series to become formulaic, I abandon it. I may well reach the same conclusion as you.
It's rather an interesting phenomenon, isn't it? Rather like shuddering at ghost stories around the campfire. What is it that makes "us"--enjoy watching a train wreck? I think it's because we tell ourselves these things don't really happen. But they do. And we tell ourselves that even if the do happen, why, it would never happen to me. What baffled me the most as an ADA was when violence was laid out in front of a jury, how judgmental of the victim's behavior they could be. Of course the defense took that tact. Especially in cases of sexual assault. For many years I conducted our Grand Jury proceedings. It was highly educational for me as a trial lawyer. In the Grand Jury, I got to hear what jurors actually thought. I heard their questions. In cases of sexual assault, women were more judgmental of a woman's behavior than the men. "Well, I wouldn't ever have put myself in that position." So I learned in trying a case that often it was more important to proceed as a defense attorney for the victim, explaining their behavior, addressing the points I had encountered time and again within the confines of the Grand Jury. Interestingly, it worked, most of the time. Of course I lost cases. But not very many of them.
I think I understand your conflict over this series. I will read at least one more, perhaps more. But when I find a series to become formulaic, I abandon it. I may well reach the same conclusion as you.
Michael wrote: "Mike wrote: "...A Desultorily Docketed Philippic
...
Brilliant--love it!
(S&G had rap before its time: "Been Norman Mailered, Maxwell Taylored, been Rolling Stoned and Beatled til I'm blind ...")"
Sullivan takes a bow. *grin* Yes. I did have fun with that. I'm glad you enjoyed it. ;)
...
Brilliant--love it!
(S&G had rap before its time: "Been Norman Mailered, Maxwell Taylored, been Rolling Stoned and Beatled til I'm blind ...")"
Sullivan takes a bow. *grin* Yes. I did have fun with that. I'm glad you enjoyed it. ;)
Sue wrote: "I'm a bit conflicted about this series. I've read several of the books and liked them but then found I just was put off by the level of violence, the sheer level of blood and most of the violence a..."
This happened to me with another extremely popular author. The violence was so graphic I just trashed the book. This surprised me as I read a great deal of true crime and thrillers. There was just something off-putting about the book I'm not naming. Hmmm. so now I wonder if I should try Slaughter?
This happened to me with another extremely popular author. The violence was so graphic I just trashed the book. This surprised me as I read a great deal of true crime and thrillers. There was just something off-putting about the book I'm not naming. Hmmm. so now I wonder if I should try Slaughter?
Carol wrote: "Sue wrote: "I'm a bit conflicted about this series. I've read several of the books and liked them but then found I just was put off by the level of violence, the sheer level of blood and most of th..."
Carol, it's a difficult call. I did find them well written and did like them for a bit. Not sure how many I read in all as it was pre GR and I haven't added them here. But I reached what I guess was a saturation point. You might want to try one or two, starting at the beginning, and see what you think.
Carol, it's a difficult call. I did find them well written and did like them for a bit. Not sure how many I read in all as it was pre GR and I haven't added them here. But I reached what I guess was a saturation point. You might want to try one or two, starting at the beginning, and see what you think.
Mike wrote: "Sue wrote: "I'm a bit conflicted about this series. I've read several of the books and liked them but then found I just was put off by the level of violence, the sheer level of blood and most of th..."
Mike, thanks for a thoughtful response. That part of criminal law must be very eye-opening. The blame-the victim part has always bothered me, particularly as it seems to uniformly be aimed at women. Nice to know you learned from this and used it in reverse.
Mike, thanks for a thoughtful response. That part of criminal law must be very eye-opening. The blame-the victim part has always bothered me, particularly as it seems to uniformly be aimed at women. Nice to know you learned from this and used it in reverse.
I tend to shy from series as they often don't hold up but it's really time constraints that keep me from making the commitment. I keep saying "when I retire". I wonder if I will.
Carol wrote: "This happened to me with another extremely popular author. The violence was so graphic I just trashed the book. This surprised me as I read a great deal of true crime and thrillers. There was just something off-putting about the book I'm not naming. Hmmm. so now I wonder if I should try Slaughter?
Wouldn't have been the Lucas Davenport series, would it?
Wouldn't have been the Lucas Davenport series, would it?
In my case it happened previously with Patricia Cornwell but it wasn't just on blood and gore. It was also on her plotting becoming a bit ridiculous to my mind and repetitive. So I cold turkeyed her several years ago after reading maybe 5 books. There was also one plot point I won't mention that truly turned me off as I thought it was stupid.
But she still pulls the readers in.
But she still pulls the readers in.
Sue wrote: "In my case it happened previously with Patricia Cornwell but it wasn't just on blood and gore. It was also on her plotting becoming a bit ridiculous to my mind and repetitive. So I cold turkeyed he..."
Oh, I so loved Cornwell's first books but I'm with you that the plotting began to turn me off. Haven't read one in years and yet I hear that some are good.
Do you think an author should quit a series when they're ahead and run the character into the ground? May be a disucssion for another place but interesting just the same.
Oh, I so loved Cornwell's first books but I'm with you that the plotting began to turn me off. Haven't read one in years and yet I hear that some are good.
Do you think an author should quit a series when they're ahead and run the character into the ground? May be a disucssion for another place but interesting just the same.
Carol wrote: "Do you think an author should quit a series when they're ahead and run the character into the ground?"
Almost all of the series I have read or am reading are completed. The only exception that I can think of is the V.I. Warshawski series by Sara Paretsky. That one is still going on but I haven't caught up yet. I am especially interested is seeing how a main character develops over time. And I guess you would also potentially seen the development of an author over the years.
Slaughter has a couple of series and I think one of them might be ongoing? One nice thing about not being caught up as far as I am concerned is that you do not have to wait for the next book to come out.
George Pelecanos is an author where I have now read every book and there are a couple of series or repeat characters.
Are their main characters in a series who have died to conclude their run?
Almost all of the series I have read or am reading are completed. The only exception that I can think of is the V.I. Warshawski series by Sara Paretsky. That one is still going on but I haven't caught up yet. I am especially interested is seeing how a main character develops over time. And I guess you would also potentially seen the development of an author over the years.
Slaughter has a couple of series and I think one of them might be ongoing? One nice thing about not being caught up as far as I am concerned is that you do not have to wait for the next book to come out.
George Pelecanos is an author where I have now read every book and there are a couple of series or repeat characters.
Are their main characters in a series who have died to conclude their run?
I still read Sara Paretsky and I'm enjoying growing older with V.I. I didn't start that series at the beginning but caught up on some of the earlier ones when I discovered her. I've really enjoyed some of her recent ones because of the relevant ties to our shared history (i.e. the 60s and 70s, American politics, the civil rights movement). I also read Nevada Barr and like her partially for the same reason--the protagonist is a woman who is allowed to age in a world that doesn't usually like to discuss this.
Off hand I can't think of a series whose protagonist was killed off.
Off hand I can't think of a series whose protagonist was killed off.
Larry wrote: "Carol wrote: "Do you think an author should quit a series when they're ahead and run the character into the ground?"
Almost all of the series I have read or am reading are completed. The only exce..."
I can't think of a series that ended with the death of the main character. What has surprised me are series that have continued after the death of the original author with pinch hitting writers continuing on.
Almost all of the series I have read or am reading are completed. The only exce..."
I can't think of a series that ended with the death of the main character. What has surprised me are series that have continued after the death of the original author with pinch hitting writers continuing on.
Carol wrote: "Sue wrote: "In my case it happened previously with Patricia Cornwell but it wasn't just on blood and gore. It was also on her plotting becoming a bit ridiculous to my mind and repetitive. So I cold..."
Don't worry about taking the discussion elsewhere. :) I also find the comments interesting. I, too, originally loved Cornwell. However, I burned out after the first few novels. I don't believe I even have them listed on my shelves. I'd have to look.
I highly recommend Thomas H. Cook who has written some wonderful novels in different regions from Cape Cod to Mississippi with no repeating characters in the books I've read. The Chatham School Affair hooked me on Cook. Each of his novels have involved what I would say is psychological suspense and mystery. The characters and plotting have been quite complex.
Don't worry about taking the discussion elsewhere. :) I also find the comments interesting. I, too, originally loved Cornwell. However, I burned out after the first few novels. I don't believe I even have them listed on my shelves. I'd have to look.
I highly recommend Thomas H. Cook who has written some wonderful novels in different regions from Cape Cod to Mississippi with no repeating characters in the books I've read. The Chatham School Affair hooked me on Cook. Each of his novels have involved what I would say is psychological suspense and mystery. The characters and plotting have been quite complex.
Ditto on Thomas H. Cook! He is one of my favorite authors and so under-rated. I am always telling people about him. I started with The Chatham School Affairand most recently loved The Quest for Anna Klein: An Otto Penzler Book
I agree that his books very psychological, well plotted and well written.
I am very enthusiastic about all of his that I have read!
I agree that his books very psychological, well plotted and well written.
I am very enthusiastic about all of his that I have read!
Clearing your reading palate between heavier tombs with a Georgia mystery I see. I do the same and then I have someone say where is the Faulkner review or the Proust review. I tell you these demanding review readers trying to pigeon hole me into reviewing only certain books. I'm a full service reviewing organization over here. haha Wait this isn't about me. There does seem to be a theme in appearance to be a writer of coroner mysteries. I'm afraid Sir Michael you will have to write under a pen name and show a picture of a rather attractive blond woman if you want to write in this genre.
I'm a little surprised at the comparison to Kathy Reichs, though I've seen that before. I feel like Reichs' work doesn't hold a candle to Slaughter's in terms of narration, plot, suspense, character development - pretty much everything. I'm a big fan of Bones, the tv series, so I really wanted to like the books but I find them tedious. I do agree with the Tess Gerritson comparison though. They are both superb masters of suspense in my opinion.
In terms of level of grizzliness, there are some very disturbing scenes, but no more so than what gets played out in many crime drama tv shows. Unless you have a super weak stomach, I'd highly recommend this book, and the whole series, to anyone who enjoys a good thriller.
In terms of level of grizzliness, there are some very disturbing scenes, but no more so than what gets played out in many crime drama tv shows. Unless you have a super weak stomach, I'd highly recommend this book, and the whole series, to anyone who enjoys a good thriller.
I stopped reading Slaughter's books a couple of years ago. The level of violence and bloodletting just got to me after a while. I'm also finding that I have a harder time with several crime series now where women seem to be the victims very often and the details of the crimes sometimes seem to border on the voyeuristic. For that reason, I may be nearing the end of the line with John Sandford after his last book, Field of Prey.
Your review sums up my feelings about this book, the Grant County series and Karin Slaughter perfectly. Thanks Mike.
MaryG2E wrote: "Your review sums up my feelings about this book, the Grant County series and Karin Slaughter perfectly. Thanks Mike."
Thank you, Mary. I appreciate your reading and commenting. You're most welcome. We must compare library shelves. *grin*
Thank you, Mary. I appreciate your reading and commenting. You're most welcome. We must compare library shelves. *grin*
As an addendum to my comment of last August, I have decided to stop reading John Sandford's books too. I guess I have reached my limit for serial killers and the explicit details of his books. Who will be next on my personal "hit" list---Jonathan Kellerman?
Mike wrote: "Sue wrote: "I'm a bit conflicted about this series. I've read several of the books and liked them but then found I just was put off by the level of violence, the sheer level of blood and most of th..."
Mike, is there any police procedural-type series that you DO recommend? Without the blood & gore, gratuitous sex, and violence? A series that usually garners 4-5 stars from you? I would be very pleased to know your recommendation(s).
Mike, is there any police procedural-type series that you DO recommend? Without the blood & gore, gratuitous sex, and violence? A series that usually garners 4-5 stars from you? I would be very pleased to know your recommendation(s).
Sue wrote: "I'm a bit conflicted about this series. I've read several of the books and liked them but then found I just was put off by the level of violence, the sheer level of blood and most of the violence a..."
I agree. It was just beyond too much descriptive violence.
I agree. It was just beyond too much descriptive violence.
I'm not Mike, but I like Susan Hill's Simon Serrailler series. It's British. I also like Sara Paretsky's series though her V.I. is a PI not police. I haven't begun reading most of the British police series yet but have read a few of Elizabeth George's. I find the British series I read tend to be more focused on place, character, mood and plot. If you use some of the library selection lists services that allow you to eliminate exlpicit violence, you may well find some series you will like.
Sue wrote: "I'm not Mike, but I like Susan Hill's Simon Serrailler series. It's British. I also like Sara Paretsky's series though her V.I. is a PI not police. I haven't begun reading most of the British polic..."
Thanks much, Sue, for your comments. You given me some new-to-me authors to explore. My husband liked Alex Grecian's The Yard, so I have some hopes about that British series.
Thanks much, Sue, for your comments. You given me some new-to-me authors to explore. My husband liked Alex Grecian's The Yard, so I have some hopes about that British series.
Virginia wrote: "Sue wrote: "I'm not Mike, but I like Susan Hill's Simon Serrailler series. It's British. I also like Sara Paretsky's series though her V.I. is a PI not police. I haven't begun reading most of the B..."
I don't now that one, so thanks back to you.
I don't now that one, so thanks back to you.
Sue wrote: "Virginia wrote: "Sue wrote: "I'm not Mike, but I like Susan Hill's Simon Serrailler series. It's British. I also like Sara Paretsky's series though her V.I. is a PI not police. I haven't begun read..."
Eek, I just checked the GR reviews on The Yard and I'm having second thoughts. Think I'll try Susan Hill instead!
Eek, I just checked the GR reviews on The Yard and I'm having second thoughts. Think I'll try Susan Hill instead!
Virginia wrote: "Mike wrote: "Sue wrote: "I'm a bit conflicted about this series. I've read several of the books and liked them but then found I just was put off by the level of violence, the sheer level of blood a..."
Hello, Virginia! Yes, definitely. For a straight class police procedural, check out the 87th Precinct Series by Ed McBain. They're very good. McBain is a pro.
For a change of pace, a seemingly British series written by a mother-son writing team under the name Charles Todd. Their writing is seamless. Investigator Ian Rutledge has returned from WWI a shattered man. He is shell shocked. But he has returned to his post at Scotland Yard. He is a crack investigator. But he has a new partner. Inside his head his constant companion is the voice of Hamisch McLeod, a Scotsman he executed for disobeying the order to go over the top. Now McLeod is Rutledge's advisor, as intuitive in the ways of people as Rutledge. Remarkably good. The series begins in A Test of Wills
Another remarkable series by a British Psychiatrist, Frank Tallis who writes the Max Lieberman series set in Vienna in the hallmark days of Sigmund Freud. Lieberman is a Freud protege. He is called upon by Detective Inspectar Oskar Rheinhardt to help solve murders in turn of the twentieth century Vienna. A police procedural with a realistic psychoanalytical angle. Freud makes routine appearances through the series, always entertaining.
I heartily recommend all of these. Although not police procedurals, I also recommend any of the novels of Thomas H. Cook, always good. Extremely atmospheric, sharply drawn characters, excellent dialogue. Try The Chatham School Affair and Evidence Of Blood, two distinctly different settings. The first in Cape Cod, the second in the Carolinas. Each is pitch perfect.
I hope you find this helpful. Happy reading, Virginia!
Hello, Virginia! Yes, definitely. For a straight class police procedural, check out the 87th Precinct Series by Ed McBain. They're very good. McBain is a pro.
For a change of pace, a seemingly British series written by a mother-son writing team under the name Charles Todd. Their writing is seamless. Investigator Ian Rutledge has returned from WWI a shattered man. He is shell shocked. But he has returned to his post at Scotland Yard. He is a crack investigator. But he has a new partner. Inside his head his constant companion is the voice of Hamisch McLeod, a Scotsman he executed for disobeying the order to go over the top. Now McLeod is Rutledge's advisor, as intuitive in the ways of people as Rutledge. Remarkably good. The series begins in A Test of Wills
Another remarkable series by a British Psychiatrist, Frank Tallis who writes the Max Lieberman series set in Vienna in the hallmark days of Sigmund Freud. Lieberman is a Freud protege. He is called upon by Detective Inspectar Oskar Rheinhardt to help solve murders in turn of the twentieth century Vienna. A police procedural with a realistic psychoanalytical angle. Freud makes routine appearances through the series, always entertaining.
I heartily recommend all of these. Although not police procedurals, I also recommend any of the novels of Thomas H. Cook, always good. Extremely atmospheric, sharply drawn characters, excellent dialogue. Try The Chatham School Affair and Evidence Of Blood, two distinctly different settings. The first in Cape Cod, the second in the Carolinas. Each is pitch perfect.
I hope you find this helpful. Happy reading, Virginia!
Don't know how I forgot the Ian Rutledge series, Mike. I need to catch up with that series. I've read 10 or more but have a few still to be up to date.
I do want to read the Tallis books too. So many books.
Also I recommend the Val McDermid standalone novels. I haven't read her series but I have seen the tv adaptation of some and they can be a bit grisly though they are well done. the stand alone novels are good suspense novels.
I do want to read the Tallis books too. So many books.
Also I recommend the Val McDermid standalone novels. I haven't read her series but I have seen the tv adaptation of some and they can be a bit grisly though they are well done. the stand alone novels are good suspense novels.
Oh my goodness, Mike! Thank you so much for your recommendations and, especially, your time. I so appreciate the backstories on these series and the helpful links. They all sound excellent and interesting, and I plan to check them all! Thanks for your kindness and helpfulness.
Happy reading to you, Mike!
Happy reading to you, Mike!
Sue wrote: "Don't know how I forgot the Ian Rutledge series, Mike. I need to catch up with that series. I've read 10 or more but have a few still to be up to date.
I do want to read the Tallis books too. So m..."
Sue, thanks for the Val McDermid rec. I have to try her. I've not read her. Love it when a review brings about this kind of discussion!
I do want to read the Tallis books too. So m..."
Sue, thanks for the Val McDermid rec. I have to try her. I've not read her. Love it when a review brings about this kind of discussion!
Virginia wrote: "Oh my goodness, Mike! Thank you so much for your recommendations and, especially, your time. I so appreciate the backstories on these series and the helpful links. They all sound excellent and inte..."
Virginia, Your're most welcome! When someone asks a nice precise question, I enjoy giving an appropriate answer when I can. :) I do hope you'll give these a try and let me know what you think. I've enjoyed them all, although not all of them may have been reviewed, or even shelved! I believe the Charles Todds are reviewed, if you'd like to give a look. *grin* However each of these authors were very memorable for me. I hope they are for you, too. Always up for talk! Just give a shout out.
Virginia, Your're most welcome! When someone asks a nice precise question, I enjoy giving an appropriate answer when I can. :) I do hope you'll give these a try and let me know what you think. I've enjoyed them all, although not all of them may have been reviewed, or even shelved! I believe the Charles Todds are reviewed, if you'd like to give a look. *grin* However each of these authors were very memorable for me. I hope they are for you, too. Always up for talk! Just give a shout out.