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Howards End
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It has taken me years, and I have finally met E.M. Forster through his classic novel Howards End. Written in the early 1900's when Britain was a colonial empire, suffragettes were beginning to march, and London's boundaries were encroaching into previously rural areas, this novel explores the themes of class and privilege, capitalism, colonialism and imperialism, and sexism. Forster also asks us to think about what contributions we make to our worlds.
The writing in this story is good; the dialogue sparkles. I think the characterization, though not nuanced is good too; I get a clear picture of each and can recognize all of these types. I find myself applauding the speeches that resonate with me and hissing at the words and actions that I abhor. In other words, I am quite caught up in the story.
A few quotes that provoke some thought for me:
"I don't like those men. They are scientific themselves, and talk of the survival of the fittest, and cut down the salaries of their clerks, and stunt the independence of all who may menace their comfort, but yet they believe that somehow good--it is always that sloppy 'somehow'--will be the outcome, and that in some mystical way the Mr. Basts of the future will benefit because the Mr. Basts of today are in pain."
"Charles had never been in such a position before. It was a woman in revolt who was hobbling away from him, and the sight was too strange to leave any room for anger."
"Now she understood why some women prefer influence to rights. Mrs.Plynlimmon, when condemning suffragettes, had said: 'The woman who can't influence her husband to vote the way she wants ought to be ashamed of herself.' "
"It is only that people are far more different than is pretended. All over the world men and women are worrying because they cannot develop as they are supposed to develop. Here and there they have the matter out, and it comforts them. Don't fret yourself, Helen. Develop what you have; love your child. I do not love children. I am thankful to have none. I can play with their beauty and charm, but that is all--nothing real, not one scrap of what there ought to be. And others--others go farther still, and move outside humanity altogether. A place as well as a person, may catch the glow. Don't you see that all this leads to comfort in the end? It is part of the battle against sameness. Differences--eternal differences, planted by God in a single family, so that there may always be colour; sorrow perhaps, but colour in the daily grey."
There are a few passages in this novel that are opaque to me, and they do not interfere with my enjoyment of the story.
If you fancy a step back into late Edwardian era England, I heartily recommend that you start here.
Buddy read with Mark. Mark's review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...
The writing in this story is good; the dialogue sparkles. I think the characterization, though not nuanced is good too; I get a clear picture of each and can recognize all of these types. I find myself applauding the speeches that resonate with me and hissing at the words and actions that I abhor. In other words, I am quite caught up in the story.
A few quotes that provoke some thought for me:
"I don't like those men. They are scientific themselves, and talk of the survival of the fittest, and cut down the salaries of their clerks, and stunt the independence of all who may menace their comfort, but yet they believe that somehow good--it is always that sloppy 'somehow'--will be the outcome, and that in some mystical way the Mr. Basts of the future will benefit because the Mr. Basts of today are in pain."
"Charles had never been in such a position before. It was a woman in revolt who was hobbling away from him, and the sight was too strange to leave any room for anger."
"Now she understood why some women prefer influence to rights. Mrs.Plynlimmon, when condemning suffragettes, had said: 'The woman who can't influence her husband to vote the way she wants ought to be ashamed of herself.' "
"It is only that people are far more different than is pretended. All over the world men and women are worrying because they cannot develop as they are supposed to develop. Here and there they have the matter out, and it comforts them. Don't fret yourself, Helen. Develop what you have; love your child. I do not love children. I am thankful to have none. I can play with their beauty and charm, but that is all--nothing real, not one scrap of what there ought to be. And others--others go farther still, and move outside humanity altogether. A place as well as a person, may catch the glow. Don't you see that all this leads to comfort in the end? It is part of the battle against sameness. Differences--eternal differences, planted by God in a single family, so that there may always be colour; sorrow perhaps, but colour in the daily grey."
There are a few passages in this novel that are opaque to me, and they do not interfere with my enjoyment of the story.
If you fancy a step back into late Edwardian era England, I heartily recommend that you start here.
Buddy read with Mark. Mark's review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...
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Glad it was a good read for you. This is one of those rare books I liked, but liked the film better.
Well done getting to this one, Lisa. Enjoyed your fine review. I only know this by the movie, and in that it was a classic book. Didn't Forster often deal with the subjects of class and England's imperialism in his books?
Sarah wrote: "It's far too early in the morning to be crying over a quote, but here we are: Differences--eternal differences, planted by God in a single family, so that there may always be colour; sorrow perhaps..."
This passage is one of my favorites in the book. You're welcome for the nudge. I am happy to return the favor.
This passage is one of my favorites in the book. You're welcome for the nudge. I am happy to return the favor.
Bonnie G. wrote: "Glad it was a good read for you. This is one of those rare books I liked, but liked the film better."
Perhaps I will search it out. I'm committed to the Artist Presents documentary first and you know how I procrastinate when it comes to film.
Perhaps I will search it out. I'm committed to the Artist Presents documentary first and you know how I procrastinate when it comes to film.
Diane wrote: "I love the cover of this one above. You picked some great quotes."
Thanks Diane. I love those trees too. Mark found a magnificent photo of a wych elm while we were reading.
Thanks Diane. I love those trees too. Mark found a magnificent photo of a wych elm while we were reading.
Linda wrote: "Great review, nice quotes"
There are some really wonderful passages in this book. Have you read it?
There are some really wonderful passages in this book. Have you read it?
Ron wrote: "Well done getting to this one, Lisa. Enjoyed your fine review. I only know this by the movie, and in that it was a classic book. Didn't Forster often deal with the subjects of class and England's i..."
I have only read a little about Forster; and yes, that is my understanding. I like that he gets his message across without using a sledgehammer. I much prefer a certain amount of subtlety.
I have only read a little about Forster; and yes, that is my understanding. I like that he gets his message across without using a sledgehammer. I much prefer a certain amount of subtlety.
Cecily wrote: "Enjoying it despite a few opaque passages is a tribute to writer and reviewer."
😳 I enjoyed the writing here and will pick up another in the (hopefully not too distant) future.
😳 I enjoyed the writing here and will pick up another in the (hopefully not too distant) future.
A wonderful review, Lisa. I'm pleased your first outing with Forster proved successful. I think you're going to enjoy the whole ride by the time it's over :)
Lisa wrote: "Bonnie G. wrote: "Glad it was a good read for you. This is one of those rare books I liked, but liked the film better."
Perhaps I will search it out. I'm committed to the Artist Presents documenta..."
I do know how limited your screentime is! The silver lining is that after I typed at you I stated thinking a rewatch sounded good so I put it on my Hulu queue. And I have you to thank!
Perhaps I will search it out. I'm committed to the Artist Presents documenta..."
I do know how limited your screentime is! The silver lining is that after I typed at you I stated thinking a rewatch sounded good so I put it on my Hulu queue. And I have you to thank!
Candi wrote: "A wonderful review, Lisa. I'm pleased your first outing with Forster proved successful. I think you're going to enjoy the whole ride by the time it's over :)"
Thanks, I hope to read some of his other work eventually. And I will consider the movie. I am committed to using some of my precious reading time to watch the Abramovic documentary in the near future and will let you know when I get to it.
Thanks, I hope to read some of his other work eventually. And I will consider the movie. I am committed to using some of my precious reading time to watch the Abramovic documentary in the near future and will let you know when I get to it.
Bonnie G. wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Bonnie G. wrote: "Glad it was a good read for you. This is one of those rare books I liked, but liked the film better."
Perhaps I will search it out. I'm committed to the Artist Prese..."
Enjoy! I am glad to be of service. 😀
Perhaps I will search it out. I'm committed to the Artist Prese..."
Enjoy! I am glad to be of service. 😀
I am like you when it comes to television and film time, Lisa. I'm very hesitant to give up reading time for it. Something has to really call to me in order for me to sit in front of that screen. I'm glad you're going to watch the Abramovic!
Forster comes across as someone who took the time to observe his surroundings - and truly question people's hearts - whenever I read something by him. Wonderful that this first foray into his work resonated so well with you, Lisa!
Candi wrote: "I am like you when it comes to television and film time, Lisa. I'm very hesitant to give up reading time for it. Something has to really call to me in order for me to sit in front of that screen. I..."
At your service. 😉
At your service. 😉
Charles wrote: "Forster comes across as someone who took the time to observe his surroundings - and truly question people's hearts - whenever I read something by him. Wonderful that this first foray into his work ..."
That ability to observe the world and to really see into people is one I treasure in writers. Have you read any of his other work? If so, does this trait continue to shine?
That ability to observe the world and to really see into people is one I treasure in writers. Have you read any of his other work? If so, does this trait continue to shine?
Congratulations, Lisa! It’s always a big deal when we finally read that author! 😅 And, we all have at least one. It sounds like this may have been enhanced by reading it with your buddy (👋🏻). I’m thinking this had a worthwhile theme, but wasn’t quite intimate enough for you to love? Meaning, very good, but not quite personal?
Jennifer wrote: "Congratulations, Lisa! It’s always a big deal when we finally read that author! 😅 And, we all have at least one. It sounds like this may have been enhanced by reading it with your buddy (👋🏻). I’m t..."
Alas, I have many authors that I haven't gotten too yet. That too many books, too little time syndrome. And yes, reading with Mark is so much fun; he's a very enthusiastic reader and is willing to throw himself into the spirit of the book and engage on that level. I've not had this experience before and it's so enjoyable. I laughed a lot with him during our exchanges. Let me think about your other question and I'll get back to you.
Alas, I have many authors that I haven't gotten too yet. That too many books, too little time syndrome. And yes, reading with Mark is so much fun; he's a very enthusiastic reader and is willing to throw himself into the spirit of the book and engage on that level. I've not had this experience before and it's so enjoyable. I laughed a lot with him during our exchanges. Let me think about your other question and I'll get back to you.
Jennifer wrote: "I’m thinking this had a worthwhile theme, but wasn’t quite intimate enough for you to love? Meaning, very good, but not quite personal?"
I've been thinking about your question. 4 Stars for me means that I loved a book, though probably won't come back to it because there are so many more new ones out there waiting for me. 5 Stars to me means I loved it and I will definitely re-read it at some point.
Why Howards End is a 4 Star rather than a 5 Star read for me:
Candi said it perfectly in her review: "Subtract the labored philosophizing as well as the frequent trespass of the author into the story and this would be all I had imagined it to be." And it didn't bother me as much as it did her. It was this, that pulled me at times, out of relationship. Though in a few instances I felt Forster's thoughts added to the story.
I've been thinking about your question. 4 Stars for me means that I loved a book, though probably won't come back to it because there are so many more new ones out there waiting for me. 5 Stars to me means I loved it and I will definitely re-read it at some point.
Why Howards End is a 4 Star rather than a 5 Star read for me:
Candi said it perfectly in her review: "Subtract the labored philosophizing as well as the frequent trespass of the author into the story and this would be all I had imagined it to be." And it didn't bother me as much as it did her. It was this, that pulled me at times, out of relationship. Though in a few instances I felt Forster's thoughts added to the story.
Lisa wrote: "That ability to observe the world and to really see into people is one I treasure in writers. Have you read any of his other work? If so, does this trait continue to shine?"
I got interested in reading him because of Maurice, which is a classic in itself and a classic in gay lit, but ended up picking up Howards End first and the other one shortly after. He does sustain his ability to render human nature with observant, subtle touches through everything he writes. I also enjoyed A Room with a View by him since then, but that one came attached to Where Angels Fear to Tread, which I preferred, imperfect as it was. Forsters' gaze went somewhere else than on the genteels for once, or so it felt, and this other view of Italy intrigued me more.
I got interested in reading him because of Maurice, which is a classic in itself and a classic in gay lit, but ended up picking up Howards End first and the other one shortly after. He does sustain his ability to render human nature with observant, subtle touches through everything he writes. I also enjoyed A Room with a View by him since then, but that one came attached to Where Angels Fear to Tread, which I preferred, imperfect as it was. Forsters' gaze went somewhere else than on the genteels for once, or so it felt, and this other view of Italy intrigued me more.
Charles wrote: "Lisa wrote: "That ability to observe the world and to really see into people is one I treasure in writers. Have you read any of his other work? If so, does this trait continue to shine?"
I got int..."
Thank you, Charles, for taking the time with your thoughtful answer. I hope to get to more of Forster's work in the coming year, and this gives me a good feel for where I may want to go next.
I got int..."
Thank you, Charles, for taking the time with your thoughtful answer. I hope to get to more of Forster's work in the coming year, and this gives me a good feel for where I may want to go next.
Meghna wrote: "It was a delectable read for me, Lisa! A sparkling review.
The quotes were the icing on the cake! <3"
Meghana, I so appreciate your effervescence.
The quotes were the icing on the cake! <3"
Meghana, I so appreciate your effervescence.
Lisa wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "I’m thinking this had a worthwhile theme, but wasn’t quite intimate enough for you to love? Meaning, very good, but not quite personal?"
I've been thinking about your question. 4 ..."
Interesting and helpful, thank you, Lisa! I'll probably read Maurice, then, before this. I didn't find Forster light, so I imagine Mark's spirit helped a lot. :)
I've been thinking about your question. 4 ..."
Interesting and helpful, thank you, Lisa! I'll probably read Maurice, then, before this. I didn't find Forster light, so I imagine Mark's spirit helped a lot. :)
Charles wrote: "Lisa wrote: "That ability to observe the world and to really see into people is one I treasure in writers. Have you read any of his other work? If so, does this trait continue to shine?"
I got int..."
This is a helpful comment, Charles, thank you. I didn't love Room with a View (the film exalted me, so the book had no chance), but am encouraged by your experience with Where Angels Fear to Tread.
I got int..."
This is a helpful comment, Charles, thank you. I didn't love Room with a View (the film exalted me, so the book had no chance), but am encouraged by your experience with Where Angels Fear to Tread.
Lisa, what a lovely review! I’m so glad you are acquainted with Mr. Forster now! I’ve always loved reading British lit but I believe this novel stirred my interest in reading what was written in the early 20th century instead of the modern authors like Phillipa Gregory and Kate Morton that I read so much of. I hope you’ll read more!
Jennifer wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "I’m thinking this had a worthwhile theme, but wasn’t quite intimate enough for you to love? Meaning, very good, but not quite personal?"
I've been thinking about your..."
Sometime next year I hope to get back to Forster, pairing Room with a View and Where Angels Fear to Tread as per Charles' recommendation.
I've been thinking about your..."
Sometime next year I hope to get back to Forster, pairing Room with a View and Where Angels Fear to Tread as per Charles' recommendation.
Lori wrote: "Lisa, what a lovely review! I’m so glad you are acquainted with Mr. Forster now! I’ve always loved reading British lit but I believe this novel stirred my interest in reading what was written in th..."
Thank you, Lori. Interesting. When I think of modern British writers I think of J.K. Rowling, Zadie Smith, and Kate Atkinson. I don't know Phillipa Gregory or Kate Morton. I will look them up when I have a few minutes. I appreciate a few new to me authors to look into.
Thank you, Lori. Interesting. When I think of modern British writers I think of J.K. Rowling, Zadie Smith, and Kate Atkinson. I don't know Phillipa Gregory or Kate Morton. I will look them up when I have a few minutes. I appreciate a few new to me authors to look into.
Lisa wrote: "Lori wrote: "Lisa, what a lovely review! I’m so glad you are acquainted with Mr. Forster now! I’ve always loved reading British lit but I believe this novel stirred my interest in reading what was ..."
Of course those are absolutely excellent examples too! I was into a huge British history kick years ago and Phillipa Gregory writes about the women of the Tudors, the wars of the Roses, etc. Apparently Kate Morton is Australian but hey? Her novels are wonderful!
Of course those are absolutely excellent examples too! I was into a huge British history kick years ago and Phillipa Gregory writes about the women of the Tudors, the wars of the Roses, etc. Apparently Kate Morton is Australian but hey? Her novels are wonderful!
Lisa wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "I’m thinking this had a worthwhile theme, but wasn’t quite intimate enough for you to love? Meaning, very good, but not quite personal?"
I've been th..."
That's very cool, Lisa!
I've been th..."
That's very cool, Lisa!
Lori wrote: "Of course those are absolutely excellent examples too! I was into a huge British history kick years ago and Phillipa Gregory writes about the women of the Tudors, the wars of the Roses, etc. Apparently Kate Morton is Australian but hey? Her novels are wonderful!"
Going searching now.
Going searching now.
I have been meaning to read this for so long and your wonderful review has inspired me to pick it up asap! I love the quotes Lisa! 🧡
Ellie wrote: "I have been meaning to read this for so long and your wonderful review has inspired me to pick it up asap! I love the quotes Lisa! 🧡"
I do hope you read this one, Ellie. I'll keep an eye out for your review.
I do hope you read this one, Ellie. I'll keep an eye out for your review.
Magical review Lisa, much more erudite than mine that's for sure!!! I love that quote you pulled - the second one - about that hopeless man, Charles. Thanks for the buddy read :))
Mark wrote: "Magical review Lisa, much more erudite than mine that's for sure!!! I love that quote you pulled - the second one - about that hopeless man, Charles. Thanks for the buddy read :))"
Oh Mark, I'm blushing. Thanks. I am smiling just thinking about Charles when our Meg jumped out of that car.
Oh Mark, I'm blushing. Thanks. I am smiling just thinking about Charles when our Meg jumped out of that car.
Lisa wrote: "Mark wrote: "Magical review Lisa, much more erudite than mine that's for sure!!! I love that quote you pulled - the second one - about that hopeless man, Charles. Thanks for the buddy read :))"
Oh..."
Hahahaha - hey, I just can't believe how patient our Meg was with that man!!
Oh..."
Hahahaha - hey, I just can't believe how patient our Meg was with that man!!
Mark wrote: "I just can't believe how patient our Meg was with that man!"
I think I would have acted much more like Aunt Juley.
I think I would have acted much more like Aunt Juley.
Diane wrote: "I just commented on Mark's review about my love for this book. I'll bet your buddy read was fun!"
It was sheer delight--a great read coupled with a great reading buddy. I am looking forward to more Forster. But I
Promised myself a trip to Port Williams first in the new year.
It was sheer delight--a great read coupled with a great reading buddy. I am looking forward to more Forster. But I
Promised myself a trip to Port Williams first in the new year.
Diane wrote: "Good idea, Lisa. Get the year started off right."
Well, it will probably be February before I get there; and I am determined not to let it get lost in the pile.
Well, it will probably be February before I get there; and I am determined not to let it get lost in the pile.
I just finished my first Forester- A Room with a View! I definitely plan to read this one next. Excellent review, Lisa!
It's *taking* me years to get to E.M. Forster as well, Lisa. Thanks for another nudge in that direction.