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Songs of Innocence and of Experience
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Oct 15, 2019
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Read 2 times. Last read February 9, 2020.
Two contrary states of the human soul
The moon like a flower,
In Heavens high bower;
With silent delight,
Sits and smiles on the night.
(Night)
At times the weight of the reputation of an artist is that intimidating I can barely overcome trepidation to venture into approaching his or her work. William Blake is such an artist. So when this lovely little book arrived in the letter box as a birthday present, it felt like a sweet little heartening push, giving me the courage to dive into the refreshing water of the unknown, holding the promise of a thrilling encounter with the imagination of supreme mind.
Unsure what to expect and what those two parts – innocence and experience – would stand for, making Blake’s acquaintance was a highly rewarding reading experience I cannot really compare to any other I had before.

From innocence, which seems mostly the one of childhood, symbolised by scenes on infants, children, a shepherd, mothers in a pastoral setting, the transition to experience is evocated by a darkening mood and tone, in which consciousness rises of the adult world in which danger, menace , anxiety undeniably will encumber happiness and joy and where comfort is hard to find – for adults nor for children.
The powerful imagery is replete with fauna and flora, happiness and joy take the shape of a sparrow, a lamb, a robin, a grasshopper, a rose, spring, green fields, sweet sleep. Revolving to experience, a child is hungry, sweet flowers in the Garden of Love have changed into graves and tombstones, youthfulness dissolves, the narrative voice bemoans the multitudinous forms of human woe and suffering in London (‘The mind-forg’d manacles I hear’). A rose is tainted at the core. A mighty tiger roars, reminding of the mysterium tremendum et fascinans characterizing the religious experience of transcendence.

At the first read I was particularly enthralled by the compelling, sublime musicality of the rhymes and the dynamics of the verses (it is thought that Blake set several of the verses to his own tunes, no scores have survived however). These are poems one can imagine a joy to learn and know by heart. In a second read, now having read the illuminating introduction which gives insight into the patterns of ‘contrary’ or answering poems in both parts of the book and the contrasts existing within the poems themselves, pointing at the the puzzling ambiguities, the contrary energies flowing through the poems, the angle of the brilliant mirroring interconnectivity of the composition was a delightful one, and I can easily imagine a third read will unveil other aspects.
The beauteous edition I read draws on the version sold by his wife Catherine Boucher to the Bishop of Limerick in 1830 which ended up into the hands of E.M. Forster, offering it to King’s College, Cambridge – on the left page a literal transcription of each poem is printed, on the right page a reproduction of the original illustrated plate (the designs are not just for embellishment of the poems but intrinsically part of Blake’s poetic imagination).
Absorbing the combination of both the words and the quaint images of Blake’s ‘illuminated printing’ at the same time proved ineffectual for me at the first read, so this gem volunteered as a new nightstand companion. At the moment it might be mostly obscure to me, but perhaps the more complex and mysterious meanings of the verses will further show upon rereading and exploring Blake more in depth.
Youth of delight! come hither
And see the opening morn,
Image of Truth new-born.
Doubt is fled, and clouds of reason,
Dark disputes and artful teazing.
Folly is an endless maze;
Tangled roots perplex her ways;
How many have fallen there!
They stumble all night over bones of the dead;
And feel—they know not what but care;
And wish to lead others, when they should be led.
(The Voice of the Ancient Bard)
The moon like a flower,
In Heavens high bower;
With silent delight,
Sits and smiles on the night.
(Night)
At times the weight of the reputation of an artist is that intimidating I can barely overcome trepidation to venture into approaching his or her work. William Blake is such an artist. So when this lovely little book arrived in the letter box as a birthday present, it felt like a sweet little heartening push, giving me the courage to dive into the refreshing water of the unknown, holding the promise of a thrilling encounter with the imagination of supreme mind.
Unsure what to expect and what those two parts – innocence and experience – would stand for, making Blake’s acquaintance was a highly rewarding reading experience I cannot really compare to any other I had before.

From innocence, which seems mostly the one of childhood, symbolised by scenes on infants, children, a shepherd, mothers in a pastoral setting, the transition to experience is evocated by a darkening mood and tone, in which consciousness rises of the adult world in which danger, menace , anxiety undeniably will encumber happiness and joy and where comfort is hard to find – for adults nor for children.
The powerful imagery is replete with fauna and flora, happiness and joy take the shape of a sparrow, a lamb, a robin, a grasshopper, a rose, spring, green fields, sweet sleep. Revolving to experience, a child is hungry, sweet flowers in the Garden of Love have changed into graves and tombstones, youthfulness dissolves, the narrative voice bemoans the multitudinous forms of human woe and suffering in London (‘The mind-forg’d manacles I hear’). A rose is tainted at the core. A mighty tiger roars, reminding of the mysterium tremendum et fascinans characterizing the religious experience of transcendence.

At the first read I was particularly enthralled by the compelling, sublime musicality of the rhymes and the dynamics of the verses (it is thought that Blake set several of the verses to his own tunes, no scores have survived however). These are poems one can imagine a joy to learn and know by heart. In a second read, now having read the illuminating introduction which gives insight into the patterns of ‘contrary’ or answering poems in both parts of the book and the contrasts existing within the poems themselves, pointing at the the puzzling ambiguities, the contrary energies flowing through the poems, the angle of the brilliant mirroring interconnectivity of the composition was a delightful one, and I can easily imagine a third read will unveil other aspects.
The beauteous edition I read draws on the version sold by his wife Catherine Boucher to the Bishop of Limerick in 1830 which ended up into the hands of E.M. Forster, offering it to King’s College, Cambridge – on the left page a literal transcription of each poem is printed, on the right page a reproduction of the original illustrated plate (the designs are not just for embellishment of the poems but intrinsically part of Blake’s poetic imagination).
Absorbing the combination of both the words and the quaint images of Blake’s ‘illuminated printing’ at the same time proved ineffectual for me at the first read, so this gem volunteered as a new nightstand companion. At the moment it might be mostly obscure to me, but perhaps the more complex and mysterious meanings of the verses will further show upon rereading and exploring Blake more in depth.
Youth of delight! come hither
And see the opening morn,
Image of Truth new-born.
Doubt is fled, and clouds of reason,
Dark disputes and artful teazing.
Folly is an endless maze;
Tangled roots perplex her ways;
How many have fallen there!
They stumble all night over bones of the dead;
And feel—they know not what but care;
And wish to lead others, when they should be led.
(The Voice of the Ancient Bard)
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"O Rose thou art sick.
The invisible worm,
That flies in the night
In the howling storm:
Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy."
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The invisible worm,
That flies in the night
In the howling storm:
Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy."
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Very well put, Yuri. Breath-taking, as is the energy and vitality of life bursting from almost every line...

Reading him has odd effects, Jon - references to him seem to be everywhere since the moment I started reading these verse which I was gifted for my birthday (for instance the cover of the Dutch edition of essays by Umberto Eco's I came home with from the library Op de schouders van reuzen, the reviews I read on Drive Your Plow Over the Bones of the Dead, the London exhibition on Blake at the moment a friend told me about) - how powerfully you must have experienced his presence in Moore's 'Jerusalem'! I admit I need additional reading and context on these poems, reading William Blake at the moment is quite helpful and enlightening.

So true and so important. It is a pity that when Blake is taught on the school syllabus he is taught as a poet, not as a poet-artist, and students read the poems without the plates. The plates contain meanings not in the poems, as you say, and stand as equals.



Thank you, Andrew - a poet-artist, I think you put that very well (when writing this post, the word ‘writer’ seemed too scant to delineate Blake). First reading the poems, I wasn’t aware of the importance of the plates (Kathleen Raine’s William Blake was quite enlightening on the symbolism in the plates, the meaning of the vines, the colours). As a foreigner to the Anglosphere, contrary to the students who are taught the poems without the plates, I thought of Blake as an artist rather than a poet as never having read a line of him before, an artist of to me entirely obfuscate, hermetic art admired in the 1960’s pop culture, an illustrator of Paradise Lost…I am glad to know now that when I would read The Marriage of Heaven and Hell I cannot ignore the plates : -).


Thank you very much, Vicky! Your observations on the marking qualities of great poetry couldn’t be more fitting with regard to quite a few of Blake’s poems in this collection, as particularly the ‘Innocence’ part has been inspired by such rhymes( he did illustrate some books comprising such rhymes). The introduction reveals how Blake raided nursery rhymes and popular songs, and used repetition to get similar effects (you remind me I also experienced how certain rhymes my children came home with seems to have a big sticking power, even if I was only exposed to them for a short time : -)). Long ago I considered learning poems by heart to stimulate memory, maybe I could give it another try by some of these poems...

Thank you very much, Caterina, I am so glad this spoke to you as you have read and appreciated the poems too! Part of the delight of reading this might indeed be the awareness that it will never reveal all its mysteries to us, and so invites to read it again, and again. You might think me pretty silly, but there is a copy here of ‘The marriage of heaven and hell’ which must have been on the shelves for more than ten years, I simply hadn’t the nerve to read it, so the friend who helped me to overcome my trepidation did me quite a favour :-:! If you would read this in an edition that also comprises the plates (or ‘The marriage of heaven and hell’, for which goes the same) I am sure the journey would turn out quite an intriguing one as your keen eye excels in deciphering visual meanings, even more so when connecting with poetry.

I am on the same page as you on the complexity of his vision, Andrew – one of the reasons I envisage reading the Raine book a second time soon (I really loved it), and another book which elaborates on the influence he had on others. Thank you for your supportive comment!


My pleasure, Kimber, thank you very much for reading and for leaving such a kind comment! If this post is in a way helpful to make you (re) read Blake the posting of it was worth it :-).


Thank you very much, Peter, that is a big compliment...it is such a lovely book to close the day with, I somehow hope by doing so some of the lines I read might inspire dreaming : -)

Thank you very much for the link, Czarny, I am looking forward to read ‘Drive your plow over the Bones of the Dead’, I think that one will because of the subject resonate more than ‘Flights’…I had encountered ‘Auguries of Innocence’ when reading a collection of Wisława Szymborska (which referred to the world in a grain of sand stanza), I hope to continue my slow journey into Blake country, and so hope to become gradually able to recognise the references to his ideas and work with other authors...





You are already deep into Blake. You have read the collection of Blake poems that is normally required for students of English literature in the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Tokarczuk's book draws on Blake's "Marriage of Heaven and Hell" espcially the Proverbs of Hell which is poem of roughly 100 lines and which provides the title for the novel. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Prover...
The Proverbs of Hell seem at first glance to be different from the collection of Poems that you have just read.

Thank you so much, Dolors,! You are so right on this edition, a true gem, the format not much larger than my hand, the book is lovely to touch as well to read : -). In case you wouldn’t have read hers yet, sometime ago Florencia has posted one of her gorgeous, insightful poetry write-ups on this collection. I so hope you will ever see a chance to read Blake, I think his musicality and the multiple meanings of his verses will resonate with you too. I would be delighted to hear your lyrical voice on Blake’s poems…


Thank you very much, Lori, what a lovely thing to say! I love it when friends enlighten me with their insights, pointing at connections to other authors, books or art and so broadening the horizon. Often their comments make the book sink in more profoundly, which I greatly appreciate (this is one of the GR joys too, learning about literary education in other cultures than the one from my region). I was so enthusiast about this I couldn’t resist sharing, and to give credit to whom credit due for inspiring me to read Blake - I love how you have put it, a present that keeps on giving...


Apparently this collection is recommended if starting with Blake, Czarny – I look very much forward now to reading ‘The marriage of Heaven and Hell’ (also because that ‘one law for the Lion & the Ox is oppression’ speaks to me as thought-provoking) – I have a bilingual collection of it here, with the plates, and with ample clarifications of the translator on the verses, pointing at the Bible references etc. A friend was reading Peter Ackroyd’s comprehensive biography on Blake recently, I should check if she wrote a review in the meantime…

Thanks Lisa, it was no different here, I cannot ever remember how long that copy of 'The marriage of heaven and hell' has been lingering in the bookshelf, or where it came from. And you are right, there is always so much else to do and to read, I am finally reading 'Jane Eyre' which I meant to read since 2014! We cannot but accept the pace and path the books themselves seem to choose for us :-). Glad this has reminded you another time of Blake!

But your review has reminded me that Blake too made great use of the time he lived in and the tools at his disposal. He plowed his own unique furrow in the pursuit of the subjects and the media he himself was drawn to. What would he have been in our age, I wonder? What would he have done with all the tools we now possess? Great marvels, I'm certain!

Your sensual review, Ilse, made me think of Tantalus' bunch of grapes!


Wouldn't those be the best presents, the ones we can share with others, Karen? My children are happy we can share the cat they offered me about three years ago (actually the cat prefers the daughter ;-)) and I am very glad I can share the delight of these poems here instead of having to keep the joys to myself :-).

Absolutely, Tristam, I feel very lucky and grateful to have encountered people who bring gems like this one to my attention that tick all the right boxes! Those interconnections will for sure keep me going....

What a fascinating thought, Fionnuala, to contemplate on what someone with such a powerful imagination as Blake could have been and done in our age! Marvels, I agree with you, wondering at the same time if the technical boundaries he at his time was subject to didn’t at the same time bring him to such heights, steering his intensity to for instance the core of the works of others like Milton when he entered into active engagement with the text to illustrate them…without drowning in the abundancy of our age.
I second you on Goodreads, it is such a joy to get a glimpse from the knowledge in books we are aware we won’t be able to read by ourselves or to get a flavour of worlds unknown to us through literary fiction that our friends are reading, learning from the discussions, broadening our horizon without having to travel the world, so enriching and inspiring it is hard not to get at least a little addicted…our age certainly has some wonderful features making one glad one lives at present!

It made me miss Blake, too!


Yes, that is the book, but I'm sorry to report that it has taken a downward spiral. I can barely summon the enthusiasm to pick it up again. I'm actually wondering how I will finish it.
For the record, I didn't study Blake until college, and I know my son did not have his (or almost any poet) in his curriculum either. I don't know why poetry in general is such an afterthought in school. As though we don't need it. God, do we need it!

And now I remember what it is that lifts us above the flower patch of our fears: it is our good teachers, of course, but behind them it is the artists themselves--Handel or Friml or Kuechler, doing their work. Georgia was right: men are repulsive. And women are repulsive, as well. But there are always a few artists ghosting around who invite us to do the work of beauty, and who give us back our humor when we are terrified.
Wow!


Jeanne, I am so happy you did enjoy the review and the thread. I am terribly sorry I got back to you so late. Thank you so much for your thoughtful comment! I think I would have been simply flummoxed by Blake if I would have read this thirty years ago, even more than I was now – the introduction was very enlightening. Just dipping my toes into his work it seems he is that mystic, mysterious and hermetic one could simply devote hours of studying to him and still not feel at the beginning of grasping him a little. On Tantalus, your image feels very apt when I think of ‘Heaven and Hell’ which I have been reading a first time a few months ago – the meaning of what I read seemed to crystallize in front of my eyes, but turned out impossible to grasp heavens, I enjoyed some imagery and some lines, but wouldn’t be able to say anything that made sense about it, and the edition I read consisted half out of the text, half of notes and footnotes! And yet, the musicality of it was so alluring…

I would choose to read poetry primarily for the musicality. I am fascinated by "Cynhangedd", the arrangement of Welsh sounds within the line.

I couldn't agree more. Poetry isn't a viable part of current school curriculum, though it is sometimes an add-on, late in the school year. Actually, my middle child's 5th grade teacher took poetry to a whole new level and had the kids perform it, live, at a poetry slam, so I shouldn't overly generalize here. Even so, they learned how to write CERTAIN types of poems, like "I am" poems and they learned how to articulate their poems in front of a crowd, but they still didn't study the poetry of famous poets, which is part of the process.
What can we do? My 3 children will tell you: recite poetry, regularly, at the dinner table. (Can you hear them groaning? Yep, those are my kids. They're groaning, but they can also tell you who Walt Whitman is!).


Thank you very much, Gaurav - I so hope you will read Blake, only trying to imagine what you, with your way with words and perceptiveness , would write about him is quite thrilling :-).

Your review has renewed by quest for acquiring a proper copy of this book. It's so terribly hard to find editions that keep his original illustrations intact.

I couldn't agree more. Poetry isn't a viable part of current school curriculum, though it is sometimes an add-on, late in the school year. Actually, my middle child's 5th grade teacher too..."
Well done, Julie! Keep up the good work! Those kids will thank you when they're adult!
Jeanne.