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Here and Now and Then by Mike Chen
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did not like it
bookshelves: man-author, scifi, sff-2019-challenge, sff-bookshelf, authors-of-color

Dear book, it's mostly me, but it's somewhat you. We didn't work well together. This could be seen as a story of what a father will do (sometimes, when people tell him it's okay) to save his daughter. It could also be the story of how one dude callously ripped apart the lives of three women, sometimes multiple times each, and then said "but it's because I love you," afterwards so, you know, totes a good guy.

CONTENT WARNING: (no actual spoilers, just a list of topics) (view spoiler)

Things that were fine

-The familial references. I think Chen wrote this to his kid and it's full of little incidents that lack the poetic touch of imagination and feel "real," so I think he loves the women in his life, which is sweet. Cheesy for the rest of us, but nice that it was infused with love for the people who really matter. (Especially that last Dr. Who reference, that was a huge eye roll, but I guess maybe also fun? Fandom is weird.)

-Brevity. At least it was short.

Things that irked me

-The relationships. Real spoilers (view spoiler) tl;dr I think the relationships were phony as hell, somewhat abusive, and Kin is a jerk.

-The plot. *Deep breath* Time travel stories are really, really tough because there's shifting narratives, common paradoxes and the "easy button" of just jumping again. If you don't handle all of these, it's impossible for me to suspend disbelief. It's like missing stairs all over the place that we're just supposed to jump over. I'm reading for fun, not exercise. Then, it's a story about a magical future with time travel and cures for all ailments and all that but the real story is sending some emails to people. Like, that's the action. And people saying "Kin, why are you acting weird?" and him responding "Miranda. Agent. Miranda. Agent" ad nauseum. It was thin, to say the last.

-The audiobook. The narrator can't do voices or accents and this book relied on accents.

-The power fantasy undertone. As with my problems with the relationships, it's hard not to read this as a male fantasy. Sure, maybe you're too old to start a quest as the Chosen One whose wife/mother/sister/love interest was raped and who now needs Chosen One to avenge her, but good news! You're just the perfect age to dream about what you'd do as an aging father whose daughter your own ineptitude jeopardized! I'm not a plot device. I wasn't a plot device then, I'm not now, but without more plot, that's what we're left with.

-The fights/"training" elements. Art imitates art here, and it just grates on me. None of this works like that. If it wasn't repeated so often, maybe it would have been fine, but we're constantly reminded how skilled Kin is right before he does something from amateur hour.

-The ending. Poor Penny. This poor, poor woman. She doesn't deserve this life. I can't decide if she's supposed to have been written as really emotionally abused and insecure or a bit dumb, but neither is a terribly good look for a leading lady in less than expert hands and neither mean she should content herself with someone who can walk away from her all the time with only a little pang of remorse.

-The inconsistencies. Aside from the specific elements that all wilted under scrutiny, there are lots of other things that don't add up to what we've been told. I'm having this issue a lot lately. I know there's a pressure to publish quickly, but authors, please read for plot holes and at least address them. When they're not, it looks like either you're lazy or you think I'm an idiot and I'd hope that's not the case.

So what am I left with? What is there for me to say that was worth my time? Again, a lot of this is me. If you're not thinking too hard about time travel or fights or relationships, it's kind of sweet. But having seen this story a lot, in different configurations, with different levels of success, I can say this is not one of the better ones for me. Pretty let down.
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Reading Progress

March 22, 2019 – Started Reading
March 22, 2019 – Shelved
March 22, 2019 – Shelved as: man-author
March 22, 2019 – Shelved as: scifi
March 22, 2019 – Shelved as: sff-2019-challenge
March 22, 2019 – Shelved as: sff-bookshelf
March 25, 2019 –
8.0% "Getting Dark Matter vibes."
March 25, 2019 –
20.0% "I think the men who read books in their youth about men whose adventures start from some woman's rape are now writing books about needing to save their daughters and how that starts their adventures."
March 27, 2019 –
30.0% "While I appreciate a time travel book that focuses on the differences in the time periods, I'm f**king disgusted that this dude seems to be totally okay forgetting one woman he loves and lying to the other he doesn't remember.

I hope something changes drastically soon."
March 28, 2019 –
50.0% "Do not recommend in audio. Not sure I recommend in general, tbh."
March 28, 2019 –
65.0% "It's engaging all of the time travel paradoxes and not talking about how they'll be overcome, which makes it very hard to accept anything as permanent or time-sensitive."
March 28, 2019 –
72.0% "Giiirl, you are definitely a default. Run, babe."
March 28, 2019 –
80.0% "*Eye roooollllll*"
March 28, 2019 – Shelved as: authors-of-color
March 28, 2019 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by Kaa (new)

Kaa Ugh. Sorry this was a waste of your time, but thank you for your review! I think I would have a lot of the same issues that you did, so I'm happy to know I can cut it from my TBR.


Allison Hurd I'm sorry, too! I was expecting to have my heartstrings tugged and instead I'm so angry I think I'll take a day before starting my next books!


message 3: by Sarah (new)

Sarah I don’t want to say I knew I wouldn’t like this- I still haven’t read it, but your review confirms I have no desire to read it. I am so disappointed this won the poll over Bannerless. ☹️ sorry I know I’m whiny.


Allison Hurd I know, I was hopeful, but I'm pretty bummed, too!

But maybe you wouldn't hate it? I guess after reading that I did, it'd be hard not to look for it, though...


message 5: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Nah I’m good. Honestly it just seemed too contemporary for me to start with. If it’s contemporary it has to have something else going for it... a thriller/horror style plot or something supernatural I don’t know. I’m so picky about what I’m reading lately anyway. I don’t feel bad about taking this off the list.


message 6: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Not to mention- (and maybe I’ve just been missing them) but it’s pretty rare that you rant (loved it by the way!). So if you’re ranting I’m pretty sure there are few redeeming qualities left for me to find. Lol


Lowell Welp, I was on the fence about reading this for the monthly.. but this review put me firmly into the "nope, not gonna waste my money on that" category. Thanks!


Allison Hurd Sarah wrote: "Not to mention- (and maybe I’ve just been missing them) but it’s pretty rare that you rant (loved it by the way!). So if you’re ranting I’m pretty sure there are few redeeming qualities left for me..."

Usually there's something I can say I liked! I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, just blessed, I guess haha!


message 9: by Francisca (new)

Francisca Well, I guess I'm skipping this one- not that I've had time to read anyway but at least I'll cancel my library hold


Allison Hurd Lowell wrote: "Welp, I was on the fence about reading this for the monthly.. but this review put me firmly into the "nope, not gonna waste my money on that" category. Thanks!"

I should have waited so that I didn't turn people off/made them suffer with me! XD


Allison Hurd Francisca wrote: "Well, I guess I'm skipping this one- not that I've had time to read anyway but at least I'll cancel my library hold"

Uh, no I mean it was great! You should definitely read it! You'll uh..you'll love it!


message 12: by Rachel (new)

Rachel I was SO disappointed when this beat my choice for the group read - I had looked at reviews.....


Allison Hurd Democracy sometimes doesn't go as planned. Next time: full on autocrat.


Holli I strongly agree with your review. Thanks for taking the time to put it into words!


Allison Hurd Thanks, Holli! Sorry you didn't like the book though!


Edwin Priest Awesome review of a truly disappointing book.


Allison Hurd Edwin wrote: "Awesome review of a truly disappointing book."

Thanks, Edwin! Yeah, I was hoping for a sort of mash up of Time Traveler's Wife and Dark Matter and then it melted into a time-y whiny, wibbly-wanton mess.


message 18: by Kristin B. (new)

Kristin B. Bodreau Feeling much better about my decision to skip this one. Time Travel is always a tricky one for me anyway. I very rarely like it. So, thanks for saving me precious reading time.

Also this bit is accurate and cracked me up:
(Especially that last Dr. Who reference, that was a huge eye roll, but I guess maybe also fun? Fandom is weird.)


Allison Hurd Haha! Glad to help :) I still don't know how I feel about being in fandoms!


message 20: by Kristin B. (new)

Kristin B. Bodreau Allison wrote: "Haha! Glad to help :) I still don't know how I feel about being in fandoms!"

Embrace the weird! :)


Shelly Ryan I just finished reading this for a book club and had been left with a nameless icky feeling since I finished it... until I read this review. Thank you


Allison Hurd I'm sorry you didn't like it, Shelly! But I'm glad to help!


Michael Mora I was not overly impressed by the book.


Allison Hurd That's a shame, Michael! Hope the next book you pick up is better :)


Candice I expected it to be better. Fortunately, there are many other books on the shelf!


Allison Hurd Yes! Onward and upward!


message 27: by Soo (new)

Soo Thanks for suffering for me. I'll pass on this book.


Allison Hurd Soo wrote: "Thanks for suffering for me. I'll pass on this book."

I am like Prometheus, suffering for bringing enlightenment to others. Haha!


message 29: by Soo (new)

Soo Haha! Just make sure you let someone take the spot once in a while. Don't want you to stay there! lol


Allison Hurd Thank you! I plan to sub-out regularly :D


Kathryne Baldwin Thank you for this.


Allison Hurd I'm right there with you, Kathryne!


message 33: by CM (new)

CM I'm about 2 hours from the end and can't finish. Agree with a lot of what you wrote, there was just too much glossed over for me to get into it. The behavior of the women in this situation wasn't realistic and turned me off.


Allison Hurd I'm sorry CM! Move on to something better!


Toons Allison, thank you for your review. As a male reader I was loathed to complain about the three women characters in the book, so thank you for reassuring me that I was not completely off target. The passive way they first accepted that he was a time traveller, accepted that he put them all at risk, and then went "I love you, adulterer, absent father, runaway husband, irresponsible time traveller". It reaked of male nerd fantasy.


Allison Hurd Yes yes yes! Fully agree, Toons. We all deserve to see better men than this and more complex women.


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