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Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close
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An Abuse of Childhood
Traumatic tragedy makes good newspaper copy, especially when it involves children. The combination of horror and sentiment seems irresistible. But does it really serve for good fiction? I have my doubts, at least in the case of Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close. I can’t be entirely certain because, as with so much in my advanced age, the book drags up so many childhood memories from my own sub-conscious that I’m wary of my own judgment.
My psychological connection with Foer’s book is entirely coincidental but personally significant. My name is Black, a family name which gives the book its dramatic trajectory. I was born in New York City and my family members could have been on the fictional list of several hundred Blacks from the telephone directory sought out by Oskar (my grandson’s name, with a ‘k’), the young protagonist, who wants to know how his father perished on 9/11. My grandmother is buried in Calvary Cemetery which is, I think, where Oskar’s father is buried. Secondly, at the age of nine, I too like Oskar experienced the trauma of an air disaster when a military bomber crashed into the house next door to my suburban home, killing the three crew members in front of me.* This was in 1956 (the plane was similar to that mentioned by Foer as crashing into the Empire State Building In 1945).
None of this history occurred to me until I was halfway through the book, suggesting perhaps that the historical facts might be more tightly bound with their emotional residue than I had ever realized. The line “Parents are always more knowledgeable than their children, and children are always smarter than their parents,” stopped me short. After the crash I recall feeling very distinctly that I knew much more about it than the adults did despite their maturity. I certainly didn’t believe their vacuous assurances that we were safe. I was the expert on the matter
Not only did I witness the crash, including the pilot’s waving me off to take cover as the plane spun down, but I also presumed to understand - or at least feel - much more than my patents how dangerous it was to be alive (it was indeed very loud and very close). There had been three other similar incidents during the previous year; and one only a few months later that I witnessed from some distance. I didn’t have the vocabulary or the argumentative ability to express the situation but I knew with certainty that this was not an intelligent place to call home.
The nearby Air Force facility was a hive of Cold War pilot training. The aircraft were all WWII bombers and transports. And the crews were part time reservists. So not perhaps the most experienced flyers in the service, in equipment long past its retirement date - what could go wrong? We lived under the approach path for the main runway. I was acutely aware of the Doppler sound of every plane in the sky and literally held my breath until those I knew were landing passed overhead. The weekends were worst, when there was a continuous stream of touch and go landings for the Flying Boxcars, vehicles as antiquated as their name suggested, well into the night.
Like Oskar I can remember that “I needed all of my concentration for being brave.” Particularly since no one else in the house took the situation seriously. I did not succeed. My fear was as intense as Oskar’s as he stood on the observation deck of the Empire State Building “the whole time... imagining a plane coming at the building, just below us. I didn't want to, but I couldn't stop.” And just like Oskar I felt myself “an obvious potential target” for many months, even years, after.
At some point the fear attenuated (or was sufficiently repressed) to allow a reasonably normal life. And within several years the base was closed for safety reasons (someone was listening even if it wasn’t my parents). But the psychic effects lingered, consciously as a sort of vague resentment for the imposition of unrecognized suffering; and, I’m sure, unconsciously in a variety of minor neuroses. But I find myself even more than six decades later resonating with a comment by one of Foer’s other characters: “The end of suffering does not justify the suffering, and so there is no end to suffering.”
And that, I suppose, is the rationale for ‘trauma fiction’. The event itself is news. The cause of the event is documentary rapportage. The consequences of the event are where fiction is necessary. Strict rationality succumbs to emotional necessity. There is no cause and effect only complex interactions of unresolved suffering. This arises from the event itself, and from all the other tragic events that persist in memory and physical conditions.
So it is proper that Foer connects 9/11 to Dresden and Hiroshima and the Holocaust as well as to the ‘routine’ accidental and natural deaths we all experience. There is an ecology of tragedy which links them. And I think it’s appropriate to consider the aftermath of 9/11 in terms of what is an irrational and essentially senseless search for the precise nature of a death which can’t even be documented. Even Oskar knows that “The more I found, the less I understood” about his father when he was alive. But he feels compelled to continue the task. Death gives us a reason for searching, if for nothing else for its meaning. Not having something to search for is worse than death. Death in its own way provides hope. If I read Foer correctly, this is his theme, and a rather interesting one.
What I am less sure about is the use of a child’s perspective. Oskar, in addition to his trauma, is somewhat autistic. This gives him an aura of vulnerability. But he is also highly articulate and charming, traits which carry the narrative along with considerable wit and even humor. The problem is that the two characters are contradictory even if Foer tries to smooth over the joins. Oskar moves in and out of these two personas, even jumping into a third occasionally as a juvenile sage, who advises the various failing adults. This is jarring and doesn’t contribute to the narrative.
This choice of an immature protagonist is, I think, a mistake. It does create a story that sells but not a believable character. At least I couldn’t have possibly done what Oskar does and says at the age of nine. He seems a sort of portmanteau child/adult. Children, no matter how clever they are, do not think and act like Oskar (like planning an carrying out an exhumation!). Often he’s an adult in a child’s body, doing therapeutic work which can only be engaged in after substantially more experience. Children are hopeful by instinct; they are instinctive searchers. But they don’t philosophise about it. It is adults who have to be reminded that searching is the essence of living. Oskar is, in short, a fantasy not a fictional character, an abuse of childhood, but an instructive one.
* I had been standing approximately 15 feet behind where the two fireman are in upper right of the photo when the plane struck, close enough to see the faces of the men in the cockpit.
Traumatic tragedy makes good newspaper copy, especially when it involves children. The combination of horror and sentiment seems irresistible. But does it really serve for good fiction? I have my doubts, at least in the case of Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close. I can’t be entirely certain because, as with so much in my advanced age, the book drags up so many childhood memories from my own sub-conscious that I’m wary of my own judgment.
My psychological connection with Foer’s book is entirely coincidental but personally significant. My name is Black, a family name which gives the book its dramatic trajectory. I was born in New York City and my family members could have been on the fictional list of several hundred Blacks from the telephone directory sought out by Oskar (my grandson’s name, with a ‘k’), the young protagonist, who wants to know how his father perished on 9/11. My grandmother is buried in Calvary Cemetery which is, I think, where Oskar’s father is buried. Secondly, at the age of nine, I too like Oskar experienced the trauma of an air disaster when a military bomber crashed into the house next door to my suburban home, killing the three crew members in front of me.* This was in 1956 (the plane was similar to that mentioned by Foer as crashing into the Empire State Building In 1945).
None of this history occurred to me until I was halfway through the book, suggesting perhaps that the historical facts might be more tightly bound with their emotional residue than I had ever realized. The line “Parents are always more knowledgeable than their children, and children are always smarter than their parents,” stopped me short. After the crash I recall feeling very distinctly that I knew much more about it than the adults did despite their maturity. I certainly didn’t believe their vacuous assurances that we were safe. I was the expert on the matter
Not only did I witness the crash, including the pilot’s waving me off to take cover as the plane spun down, but I also presumed to understand - or at least feel - much more than my patents how dangerous it was to be alive (it was indeed very loud and very close). There had been three other similar incidents during the previous year; and one only a few months later that I witnessed from some distance. I didn’t have the vocabulary or the argumentative ability to express the situation but I knew with certainty that this was not an intelligent place to call home.
The nearby Air Force facility was a hive of Cold War pilot training. The aircraft were all WWII bombers and transports. And the crews were part time reservists. So not perhaps the most experienced flyers in the service, in equipment long past its retirement date - what could go wrong? We lived under the approach path for the main runway. I was acutely aware of the Doppler sound of every plane in the sky and literally held my breath until those I knew were landing passed overhead. The weekends were worst, when there was a continuous stream of touch and go landings for the Flying Boxcars, vehicles as antiquated as their name suggested, well into the night.
Like Oskar I can remember that “I needed all of my concentration for being brave.” Particularly since no one else in the house took the situation seriously. I did not succeed. My fear was as intense as Oskar’s as he stood on the observation deck of the Empire State Building “the whole time... imagining a plane coming at the building, just below us. I didn't want to, but I couldn't stop.” And just like Oskar I felt myself “an obvious potential target” for many months, even years, after.
At some point the fear attenuated (or was sufficiently repressed) to allow a reasonably normal life. And within several years the base was closed for safety reasons (someone was listening even if it wasn’t my parents). But the psychic effects lingered, consciously as a sort of vague resentment for the imposition of unrecognized suffering; and, I’m sure, unconsciously in a variety of minor neuroses. But I find myself even more than six decades later resonating with a comment by one of Foer’s other characters: “The end of suffering does not justify the suffering, and so there is no end to suffering.”
And that, I suppose, is the rationale for ‘trauma fiction’. The event itself is news. The cause of the event is documentary rapportage. The consequences of the event are where fiction is necessary. Strict rationality succumbs to emotional necessity. There is no cause and effect only complex interactions of unresolved suffering. This arises from the event itself, and from all the other tragic events that persist in memory and physical conditions.
So it is proper that Foer connects 9/11 to Dresden and Hiroshima and the Holocaust as well as to the ‘routine’ accidental and natural deaths we all experience. There is an ecology of tragedy which links them. And I think it’s appropriate to consider the aftermath of 9/11 in terms of what is an irrational and essentially senseless search for the precise nature of a death which can’t even be documented. Even Oskar knows that “The more I found, the less I understood” about his father when he was alive. But he feels compelled to continue the task. Death gives us a reason for searching, if for nothing else for its meaning. Not having something to search for is worse than death. Death in its own way provides hope. If I read Foer correctly, this is his theme, and a rather interesting one.
What I am less sure about is the use of a child’s perspective. Oskar, in addition to his trauma, is somewhat autistic. This gives him an aura of vulnerability. But he is also highly articulate and charming, traits which carry the narrative along with considerable wit and even humor. The problem is that the two characters are contradictory even if Foer tries to smooth over the joins. Oskar moves in and out of these two personas, even jumping into a third occasionally as a juvenile sage, who advises the various failing adults. This is jarring and doesn’t contribute to the narrative.
This choice of an immature protagonist is, I think, a mistake. It does create a story that sells but not a believable character. At least I couldn’t have possibly done what Oskar does and says at the age of nine. He seems a sort of portmanteau child/adult. Children, no matter how clever they are, do not think and act like Oskar (like planning an carrying out an exhumation!). Often he’s an adult in a child’s body, doing therapeutic work which can only be engaged in after substantially more experience. Children are hopeful by instinct; they are instinctive searchers. But they don’t philosophise about it. It is adults who have to be reminded that searching is the essence of living. Oskar is, in short, a fantasy not a fictional character, an abuse of childhood, but an instructive one.
* I had been standing approximately 15 feet behind where the two fireman are in upper right of the photo when the plane struck, close enough to see the faces of the men in the cockpit.
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I read this book a few years ago... Even though I remember little (more the overall tone of Safran Foer's writing style), after your very personal review it makes me want to read it again...
I also found something wanting.. may be it is what you say, the main character is not altogether believable.
I also found something wanting.. may be it is what you say, the main character is not altogether believable.
Kalliope wrote: "I read this book a few years ago... Even though I remember little (more the overall tone of Safran Foer's writing style), after your very personal review it makes me want to read it again...
I als..."
I think he ran into a real problem with a child and he couldn’t figure out how to extract himself.
I als..."
I think he ran into a real problem with a child and he couldn’t figure out how to extract himself.
Ingrid wrote: "Thanks for sharing that personal story and another great review!"
And thanks once again to you Ingrid.
And thanks once again to you Ingrid.
I’m often using the GR app on the phone. But either way, the site itself does funny things sometimes too, such as marking books differently than what I’d intended.
The more we read, the more likely it is that we stumble on triplines to our own long buried memories. Thanks for sharing this traumatic one, B.
And yes to Oskar not being credible, but then I had difficulty with Nicole Krauss's boy character in A History of Love too, though otherwise both books had some great bits.
Newspaper photographers have to go where they can get the most sensational shots, don't they, but it's still a shock to see the account of one such photographer zoning in on that 1956 crash site to snap photos even before the fireman got to it. The constant search for the next disaster must be hard on the nerves.
And yes to Oskar not being credible, but then I had difficulty with Nicole Krauss's boy character in A History of Love too, though otherwise both books had some great bits.
Newspaper photographers have to go where they can get the most sensational shots, don't they, but it's still a shock to see the account of one such photographer zoning in on that 1956 crash site to snap photos even before the fireman got to it. The constant search for the next disaster must be hard on the nerves.
Gosh, Michael, what a devastating childhood memory you are telling us. That crash next door will forever be etched in your mind. What a creepy lingering image you must have of the pilot waving you away.
Reflecting of what I remember of the book, I must say I hardly recall anything. I even don't remember why I gave the book 4 stars. It is clear that it gave me no lasting impression.
Reflecting of what I remember of the book, I must say I hardly recall anything. I even don't remember why I gave the book 4 stars. It is clear that it gave me no lasting impression.
Fionnuala wrote: "The more we read, the more likely it is that we stumble on triplines to our own long buried memories. Thanks for sharing this traumatic one, B.
And yes to Oskar not being credible, but then I had ..."
You suggest a theory: that Krauss and Foer engaged in pillow talk before the divorce about strange mutant children who are born with fully developed brains but inadequate expressive abilities. Then they agreed to each try a version out. I can sense the academic community aching for the idea already.
And as far as the photographer goes: can you credit it! And he gets a Pulitzer. By the way, the reporter got a number of things wrong as well. FAKE NEWS.
And yes to Oskar not being credible, but then I had ..."
You suggest a theory: that Krauss and Foer engaged in pillow talk before the divorce about strange mutant children who are born with fully developed brains but inadequate expressive abilities. Then they agreed to each try a version out. I can sense the academic community aching for the idea already.
And as far as the photographer goes: can you credit it! And he gets a Pulitzer. By the way, the reporter got a number of things wrong as well. FAKE NEWS.
Hanneke wrote: "Gosh, Michael, what a devastating childhood memory you are telling us. That crash next door will forever be etched in your mind. What a creepy lingering image you must have of the pilot waving you ..."
Thanks Hanneke. I’m hoping it dims quickly for me as well.💤
Thanks Hanneke. I’m hoping it dims quickly for me as well.💤
Fabulous review. Chimes at many points with my feeling for this novel. And I enjoyed your personal take on 9/11, though enjoyed probably isn't the right word.
Violet wrote: "Fabulous review. Chimes at many points with my feeling for this novel. And I enjoyed your personal take on 9/11, though enjoyed probably isn't the right word."
Many thanks Violet.
Many thanks Violet.
What an absolutely poignant and fascinating review. You correlate your own experiences so well.
'What I am less sure about is the use of a child’s perspective. Oskar, in addition to his trauma, is somewhat autistic. This gives him an aura of vulnerability. But he is also highly articulate and charming, traits which carry the narrative along with considerable wit and even humor. The problem is that the two characters are contradictory even if Foer tries to smooth over the joins.
What I am less sure about is the use of a child’s perspective. Oskar, in addition to his trauma, is somewhat autistic. This gives him an aura of vulnerability. But he is also highly articulate and charming, traits which carry the narrative along with considerable wit and even humor. The problem is that the two characters are contradictory even if Foer tries to smooth over the joins.'
I really agree with what you say here. It doesn't seem possible for a child to achieve all that Oskar does in my view, he would have to have a very high-functioning form of Aspergers, be extraordinarily street-smarted as well as exceptionally academically gifted.
I will forgive the book thought as it's such an unusual and experimental view of 20th c tragedy. I have a very big soft spot for it and it is always stands out in my mind as a book that I love, despite it having definite flaws.
'What I am less sure about is the use of a child’s perspective. Oskar, in addition to his trauma, is somewhat autistic. This gives him an aura of vulnerability. But he is also highly articulate and charming, traits which carry the narrative along with considerable wit and even humor. The problem is that the two characters are contradictory even if Foer tries to smooth over the joins.
What I am less sure about is the use of a child’s perspective. Oskar, in addition to his trauma, is somewhat autistic. This gives him an aura of vulnerability. But he is also highly articulate and charming, traits which carry the narrative along with considerable wit and even humor. The problem is that the two characters are contradictory even if Foer tries to smooth over the joins.'
I really agree with what you say here. It doesn't seem possible for a child to achieve all that Oskar does in my view, he would have to have a very high-functioning form of Aspergers, be extraordinarily street-smarted as well as exceptionally academically gifted.
I will forgive the book thought as it's such an unusual and experimental view of 20th c tragedy. I have a very big soft spot for it and it is always stands out in my mind as a book that I love, despite it having definite flaws.
Belinda wrote: "What an absolutely poignant and fascinating review. You correlate your own experiences so well.
'What I am less sure about is the use of a child’s perspective. Oskar, in addition to his trauma, is..."
Thanks, Belinda. I think you’re quite right. It is a highly original work with a very interesting perspective. I forgivenit as well for anything else.
'What I am less sure about is the use of a child’s perspective. Oskar, in addition to his trauma, is..."
Thanks, Belinda. I think you’re quite right. It is a highly original work with a very interesting perspective. I forgivenit as well for anything else.
Ioana wrote: "Just curious if you’ve seen the movie."
No, I did t know about it until today. Any good?
No, I did t know about it until today. Any good?
Enjoyed your fine review. This quote made your review for me:
It is adults who have to be reminded that searching is the essence of living. Oskar is, in short, a fantasy not a fictional character, an abuse of childhood, but an instructive one."
It is adults who have to be reminded that searching is the essence of living. Oskar is, in short, a fantasy not a fictional character, an abuse of childhood, but an instructive one."
Well, I read the book because of the movie...I enjoyed the movie very much. It’s not the first of its kind but at least it is unique in portraying loss (as you know from the book). Starring Tom Hanks and Sandra Bullock. For me, Oskar’s relentless persistence in gathering clues was the most interesting aspect- maybe we can try to find a meaning in loss? Or just wishful thinking.. How can we know when to give up? Always a pleasure to read your review. You made me want to read the book again.
Carol wrote: "Enjoyed your fine review. This quote made your review for me:
It is adults who have to be reminded that searching is the essence of living. Oskar is, in short, a fantasy not a fictional character,..."
Very kind, Carol. Glad you got something out of it.
It is adults who have to be reminded that searching is the essence of living. Oskar is, in short, a fantasy not a fictional character,..."
Very kind, Carol. Glad you got something out of it.
Ioana wrote: "Well, I read the book because of the movie...I enjoyed the movie very much. It’s not the first of its kind but at least it is unique in portraying loss (as you know from the book). Starring Tom Han..."
I think the message might be ‘There’s no giving up.’ I could be wrong of course.
I think the message might be ‘There’s no giving up.’ I could be wrong of course.
I was actually surprised at the quality of the film, as I think Hanks, Bullock, and Von Sydow are three of the most overrated actors of all-time and I had mixed feelings about the book. But it really holds up pretty well. But as far as Foer goes, I liked Everything Is Illuminated better. And Eating Animals is one of the best of its kind.
Spencer wrote: "I was actually surprised at the quality of the film, as I think Hanks, Bullock, and Von Sydow are three of the most overrated actors of all-time and I had mixed feelings about the book. But it real..."
Thanks. I shall expand my Foer-izons as it were.
Thanks. I shall expand my Foer-izons as it were.
Thanks for this, Blackie. Very interesting. And I read this guy before also but I may need to look it up.
david wrote: "Blackie, didn't you and Iris hang around the same places?"
Me and Iris? Soytenly. She was a Somerville College goil. Just up the road.
Me and Iris? Soytenly. She was a Somerville College goil. Just up the road.
david wrote: "Thanks for this, Blackie. Very interesting. And I read this guy before also but I may need to look it up."
A Brooklyn guy. You woulda never run across him. Tanks.
A Brooklyn guy. You woulda never run across him. Tanks.
The contact points between this story and your life are uncanny!... Thanks for sharing.
I wasn't convinced by Oskar either, but I couldn't put my finger on it as well as you did.
I wasn't convinced by Oskar either, but I couldn't put my finger on it as well as you did.
Susana wrote: "The contact points between this story and your life are uncanny!... Thanks for sharing.
I wasn't convinced by Oskar either, but I couldn't put my finger on it as well as you did."
Thanks Susana.
I wasn't convinced by Oskar either, but I couldn't put my finger on it as well as you did."
Thanks Susana.
Blackie, I love your new accent. And, btw, "soycently," is vegan, very david. I would love to hear you speak, in a NY accent.
david wrote: "Blackie, I love your new accent. And, btw, "soycently," is vegan, very david. I would love to hear you speak, in a NY accent."
My wife says I do Noo Yawk all the time. Funny thing is that she does York. I only just realized that. You can take the boy out of... etc.
My wife says I do Noo Yawk all the time. Funny thing is that she does York. I only just realized that. You can take the boy out of... etc.
Oh my goodness, Michael, your story brought tears to my eyes and chilled me -- what a terrible trauma. I saw the words "Michael was safe" in the article and that's when I almost started bawling from relief. I loved the way you described how you knew, more than your parents were at least willing to admit, that neither your family nor anyone in that neighborhood was safe. (Well, no one is ever safe. But they could have been kept safer and eventually someone figured that out.) Terrific, thoughtful and, of course, well-informed review.
Caterina wrote: "Oh my goodness, Michael, your story brought tears to my eyes and chilled me -- what a terrible trauma. I saw the words "Michael was safe" in the article and that's when I almost started bawling fro..."
Thanks so much Caterina. Since I wrote about the incident all sorts of other memories about it have been surfacing as well. So it turned out to be quite a therapeutic little essay. Isn’t it strange how our minds work? Nothing is ever remembered entirely correctly but neither is anything ever entirely lost. What is constant are the stories which connect things.
Thanks so much Caterina. Since I wrote about the incident all sorts of other memories about it have been surfacing as well. So it turned out to be quite a therapeutic little essay. Isn’t it strange how our minds work? Nothing is ever remembered entirely correctly but neither is anything ever entirely lost. What is constant are the stories which connect things.
BlackOxford wrote: "Thanks so much Caterina. Since I wrote about the incident all sorts of other memories about it have been surfacing as well. So it turned out to be quite a therapeutic little essay. Isn’t it strange how our minds work? Nothing is ever remembered entirely correctly but neither is anything ever entirely lost. What is constant are the stories which connect things."
That's so true. Not only the stories of the distant past are essentially fiction with hopefully a little fact in the mix, but even the stories of our own lives are mixtures of memory and imagination. I am glad this is at least offering some therapeutic aspects for you.
That's so true. Not only the stories of the distant past are essentially fiction with hopefully a little fact in the mix, but even the stories of our own lives are mixtures of memory and imagination. I am glad this is at least offering some therapeutic aspects for you.
Thanks for sharing your story with us. I cannot even imagine the continuous sense of fear you had to bear..
Utti wrote: "Thanks for sharing your story with us. I cannot even imagine the continuous sense of fear you had to bear.."
Thank you Utti. Looking back I too feel tremendous sympathy for that young chap.
Thank you Utti. Looking back I too feel tremendous sympathy for that young chap.
Thanks for sharing such a personal story. I also felt that the protagonist lacked believability. It ruined the story for me.
Patricia wrote: "Thanks for sharing such a personal story. I also felt that the protagonist lacked believability. It ruined the story for me."
Thank you, Patricia.
Thank you, Patricia.
I always enjoy reading your reviews of books I also have reviewed, both when we agree and when we don't. I was glad to be reminded of your review of this book. We both disliked it.
Robin wrote: "I always enjoy reading your reviews of books I also have reviewed, both when we agree and when we don't. I was glad to be reminded of your review of this book. We both disliked it."
I feel the same way. I think you are more cautious than I am. Undoubtedly a good thing. Keeps things on course as well as civil. If the two of us agree, it must be factual!
I feel the same way. I think you are more cautious than I am. Undoubtedly a good thing. Keeps things on course as well as civil. If the two of us agree, it must be factual!
An excellent review, just fantastic…I’m still trying to wrap my head around my response to the book. I found it quite moving, as I did your review. However, I don’t have quite the problem with the figure of Oskar as conceived by the author…I rather like it and have added that coveted fifth star just because of Oskar. Off the top of my head I can think of a number of other fictional children who are clearly quite different from real, biological children, but who tell such brilliant, powerful stories: Clara, as a child in House of the Spirits; Saleem, in Midnight’s Children; and Oskar (!) in The Tin Drum. (I hope I got those names right.)
I’m thinking of the unnamed child in The Painted Bird, too. I’m not sure he’s quite “believable,” either, but for me that doesn’t lessen the power of the story he tells.
Petergiaquinta wrote: "I’m thinking of the unnamed child in The Painted Bird, too. I’m not sure he’s quite “believable,” either, but for me that doesn’t lessen the power of the story he tells."
I can understand your point. But Oskar isn’t really a child is he? He a pastiche of several personas and not credible. At least to me. Of course my personal experience is a factor as well needless to say.
I can understand your point. But Oskar isn’t really a child is he? He a pastiche of several personas and not credible. At least to me. Of course my personal experience is a factor as well needless to say.