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The Republic
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Oct 28, 2018
bookshelves: my-library, non-fiction, favorite-classic, philosophy, greek-lit
The Republic is where Plato lays down his ideas of an ideal state and its rulers. Plato's Utopian state is one which is just and his ideal rulers are philosophers. Presented as a series of dialogue between Socrates and Plato's brothers Adeimantus and Glaucon, in eleven parts Plato step by step forms his ideal state (Part I and II), its rulers (Part IV and Part VII), their education, women's position (Part VI) and the position of art and poetry (Part X) in the new state. Although some of his views are far fetched and absurd, many of them are thought-provoking. And if you examine carefully, you will see some truth in many of his viewpoints, especially those relating to imperfect societies (discussed in Part IX).
I truly enjoyed Plato's arguments although I cannot say that I agree with them all. There are many insightful views though at the same time, given the long years between the time in which it was written and which it was read, some of the arguments are absurd according to modern standards. Plato's Utopian state is one that cannot be realized in reality; even Plato had his doubts about it ever being in existence. But on close examination of various governments in the world, we see instances where views of Plato have been adopted. Taking all these into account, it is no wonder that The Republic is regarded as the cornerstone of western philosophy.
The translation I read was done by Sir Desmond Lee. I found it easy to read. There were many explanatory notes within that which helped me considerably if not fully to understand the text. Overall, I loved the read and am very happy to say that finally one of my long reading wishes is fulfilled.
I truly enjoyed Plato's arguments although I cannot say that I agree with them all. There are many insightful views though at the same time, given the long years between the time in which it was written and which it was read, some of the arguments are absurd according to modern standards. Plato's Utopian state is one that cannot be realized in reality; even Plato had his doubts about it ever being in existence. But on close examination of various governments in the world, we see instances where views of Plato have been adopted. Taking all these into account, it is no wonder that The Republic is regarded as the cornerstone of western philosophy.
The translation I read was done by Sir Desmond Lee. I found it easy to read. There were many explanatory notes within that which helped me considerably if not fully to understand the text. Overall, I loved the read and am very happy to say that finally one of my long reading wishes is fulfilled.
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Wonderful! It’s so great to finally get those long awaited reads :) It’s also been on my wishlist for a long time, I hope I can read it by the end of the year.
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Fab wrote: "Wonderful! It’s so great to finally get those long awaited reads :) It’s also been on my wishlist for a long time, I hope I can read it by the end of the year."
Thanks, Fab. Yes, it is. I think I awaited to read this from my undergrad days! So it was a long wait. :)
Thanks, Fab. Yes, it is. I think I awaited to read this from my undergrad days! So it was a long wait. :)
Michael wrote: "Great review, Piyangie! I’ve only read excerpts of this, but I remember enjoying, if not agreeing with, everything I did read."
Thank you, Michael. I hope you will read the whole of it one day. Pretty entertaining I should say. :)
Thank you, Michael. I hope you will read the whole of it one day. Pretty entertaining I should say. :)
MJD wrote: "I'm glad to see you enjoyed this book."
Thanks, MJD. It was really a very interesting read.
Thanks, MJD. It was really a very interesting read.
The "ideal state" was chosen as a WAY to understand Virtue in the INDIVIDUAL !! - as it's simpler to see it writ large, as Plato takes this devious route to continue in his elucidation of What Virtue is and How does One acquire it. To really understand The Republic one really needs to read the dialogues that precede it >> You can't simply start your meal with dessert!.... I have started a Plato group and would be happy to assist others gain a real understanding of Plato - indeed, using roadmap that FDE Schleiermacher laid out back in the early 19th century when knowledge of Greek was still not so unusual....
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Phillip wrote: "The "ideal state" was chosen as a WAY to understand Virtue in the INDIVIDUAL !! - as it's simpler to see it writ large, as Plato takes this devious route to continue in his elucidation of What Virt..."
While I agree with your interpretation that this dialogue is centered around individual virtue, I do think that given that it has been seen as a political manifesto for many years by many people I do think that it does need to be read as a political document as well in order to appreciate the legacy of the book.
That being said, I am very interested in joining your group. What is it's name and link?
While I agree with your interpretation that this dialogue is centered around individual virtue, I do think that given that it has been seen as a political manifesto for many years by many people I do think that it does need to be read as a political document as well in order to appreciate the legacy of the book.
That being said, I am very interested in joining your group. What is it's name and link?
What you say is quite right, I believe that the relation of the one to the Many (state) is central though understanding the human being as described in Phaedrus (2 horses, 1 charioteer> feeling, willing & thinking guiding both) is the most central.
The new group is simply: Plato.
phillip.
The new group is simply: Plato.
phillip.