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In the Woods (Dublin Murder Squad, #1)
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I started this series out of chronological order, which only increased my appreciation for French. By some odd chance, I happened upon a new copy of her second book, The Likeness, in the library just waiting to be checked out, while In the Woods had a wait list of at least 100 people. I followed with Faithful Place, immersed myself in Ireland of forty years ago and promptly forgot to get on the waiting list for Woods. Nataliya's lovely review reminded me what I was missing (here: http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...)
For a first book, Woods is impressive, not only because French takes risks with her narrative. It's a psychological mystery, an exploration of friendship and a slow disintegration of personality. I loved it, even as I dreaded the direction of the story. In brief, Rob Ryan is a detective on Dublin's Murder Squad. One day, the squad gets its first woman detective, Cassie Maddox. The two have an instant attraction and immediately begin a deep friendship. They happen to catch a case in which a 12 year-old girl is found murdered at an archeological dig, right where a highway exchange is supposed to be built (shades of Arthur Dent that I half-heartedly tried to ignore). Perhaps completely coincidentally, it is in the same small suburb that Ryan's two childhood friends disappeared when they were twelve. Ryan himself has no memory of the incident, and very few memories of the times after, but the case brings bits flashing back.
What a challenge! Ryan tells us from the start: "What I am telling you, before you begin my story, is this--two things: I crave truth. And I lie." Is our narrator unreliable? Or not? The outright acknowledgement that he might not be kept me guessing. At first, I loved his narrative voice. Descriptions of himself and his two twelve-year-old friends, 'Jamie,' and Peter, reminded me indelibly of Bradbury's Something Wicked This Way Comes and the gold-edged memories of summer days and best friends. Ryan captures some of that lost intimacy with Cassie, and it seems almost the first time since then that he has re-connected with another person. His voice had me chuckling with humor and sighing at his cynicism (see my numerous updates while I was getting my car's oil changed). Then oh-so-slowly the voice changed, subtly, distractedly. I won't say too much more except that it was extremely well done (view spoiler)
I love French's writing; the vivid descriptions, the integration of memories into narrative and her character development of her primary characters. Perhaps it fell apart a little at the end, and the red herrings weren't developed enough to be seriously considered. It felt a little more hurried after the slow pace of the beginning, but these are minor quibbles.
The finish was stunning, if by 'stunning,' you mean a slap to the face right after someone answers your questions. Although I never deliberately avoid spoilers, for some reason I had not read any reviews before starting Woods that discussed various issues with the ending. Somewhat discombobulated, I went looking around for insight into French's process, and why she choose to do what she did.
Yep, definitely kept me thinking after I closed the pages. But also while I read them. Highly recommended.
Cross posted at http://clsiewert.wordpress.com/2012/1...
For a first book, Woods is impressive, not only because French takes risks with her narrative. It's a psychological mystery, an exploration of friendship and a slow disintegration of personality. I loved it, even as I dreaded the direction of the story. In brief, Rob Ryan is a detective on Dublin's Murder Squad. One day, the squad gets its first woman detective, Cassie Maddox. The two have an instant attraction and immediately begin a deep friendship. They happen to catch a case in which a 12 year-old girl is found murdered at an archeological dig, right where a highway exchange is supposed to be built (shades of Arthur Dent that I half-heartedly tried to ignore). Perhaps completely coincidentally, it is in the same small suburb that Ryan's two childhood friends disappeared when they were twelve. Ryan himself has no memory of the incident, and very few memories of the times after, but the case brings bits flashing back.
What a challenge! Ryan tells us from the start: "What I am telling you, before you begin my story, is this--two things: I crave truth. And I lie." Is our narrator unreliable? Or not? The outright acknowledgement that he might not be kept me guessing. At first, I loved his narrative voice. Descriptions of himself and his two twelve-year-old friends, 'Jamie,' and Peter, reminded me indelibly of Bradbury's Something Wicked This Way Comes and the gold-edged memories of summer days and best friends. Ryan captures some of that lost intimacy with Cassie, and it seems almost the first time since then that he has re-connected with another person. His voice had me chuckling with humor and sighing at his cynicism (see my numerous updates while I was getting my car's oil changed). Then oh-so-slowly the voice changed, subtly, distractedly. I won't say too much more except that it was extremely well done (view spoiler)
I love French's writing; the vivid descriptions, the integration of memories into narrative and her character development of her primary characters. Perhaps it fell apart a little at the end, and the red herrings weren't developed enough to be seriously considered. It felt a little more hurried after the slow pace of the beginning, but these are minor quibbles.
The finish was stunning, if by 'stunning,' you mean a slap to the face right after someone answers your questions. Although I never deliberately avoid spoilers, for some reason I had not read any reviews before starting Woods that discussed various issues with the ending. Somewhat discombobulated, I went looking around for insight into French's process, and why she choose to do what she did.
Yep, definitely kept me thinking after I closed the pages. But also while I read them. Highly recommended.
Cross posted at http://clsiewert.wordpress.com/2012/1...
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They happen to catch a case in which a 12 year-old girl is found murdered at an archeological dig, right where a highway exchange is supposed to be built (shades of Arthur Dent that I half-heartedly tried to ignore)
This is awesome :)
This is awesome :)
I couldn't help it, Nataliya! It was so inappropriate to the tone of the story, and yet I kept thinking of the Vogons saying they should have filed a petition.
I can imagine Rob and Cassie cracking a joke like that early in the book, perhaps while hanging out at Cassie's bedsit - before things got completely messed up.
Carol wrote: "I couldn't help it, Nataliya! It was so inappropriate to the tone of the story, and yet I kept thinking of the Vogons saying they should have filed a petition."
This is perfect! I cant believe it didn't cross my mind, I guess that means I'm long over-due for a Hitchhiker's re-read. It'll be a nice change after the rather darker books (such as this) that I've been reading lately. But anyway, really great review!
This is perfect! I cant believe it didn't cross my mind, I guess that means I'm long over-due for a Hitchhiker's re-read. It'll be a nice change after the rather darker books (such as this) that I've been reading lately. But anyway, really great review!
I can't wait to test out French waters. I'm really looking forward to it. And it really doesn't matter if the books are read out of publication order?
Trudi- I don't think so. The second book is about Cassie and the third bbok is about the boss. It refers in vague ways to the relationships between characters. I suppose in order gives a little more insight.
Arielle wrote: "This is perfect! I cant believe it didn't cross my mind, I guess that means I'm long over-due for a Hitchhiker's re-read. It'll be a nice change after the rather darker books (such as this) that I've been reading lately. But anyway, really great review!"
Thank you! Read French if you haven't. It is sort of dark, I suppose, but it's so very human and manages to achieve some hope, or at least contact. I love her writing.
I've been waiting for the right mood to re-read Hitchhikers, although I read it so many times in high school, I mostly don't need to. :)
Thank you! Read French if you haven't. It is sort of dark, I suppose, but it's so very human and manages to achieve some hope, or at least contact. I love her writing.
I've been waiting for the right mood to re-read Hitchhikers, although I read it so many times in high school, I mostly don't need to. :)
I did, James--here are my reviews (one from the days when I wrote less)
http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...
http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...
And I remembered to get on the library list for Broken Harbor, the newest. Only #86!
http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...
http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...
And I remembered to get on the library list for Broken Harbor, the newest. Only #86!
I think that Broken Harbor is like #86 in the pile of books stacked by my chair to be read. Maybe we'll both get to it at about the same time!
Same here, I read the books out of order. I read "The Likeness" first and then Into the Woods later...so I knew how the detectives' relationship in ITW would turn out. It didn't diminish my enjoyment of ITW, though.
Good to know that I'm not the only one, Lessi! I agree, I think French handled it well so that each book stands alone fine.
I'm reading Broken Harbor now...about 1/3 into the book and it seems to be much slower than French's other books ... we'll see how this goes. I'm holding off on reading reviews until I finish. I'll have to look at your review of this book when I am done.
I have this but I haven't read it yet. I'll have to move it up in the pile once I get out of my reading slump.
Dan 1.0 wrote: "I have this but I haven't read it yet. I'll have to move it up in the pile.."
Make sure you read book 2: The Likeness as well. The premise is totally believable. LMAO!
Make sure you read book 2: The Likeness as well. The premise is totally believable. LMAO!
Dan 2.0 wrote: "Make sure you read book 2 The Likeness as well. The premise is totally believable. LMAO!"
First of all, love the '1.0' designation. It's awesome.
yeah, the premise of The Likeness was totally unbelievable. But solid, atmospheric writing and characterization.
First of all, love the '1.0' designation. It's awesome.
yeah, the premise of The Likeness was totally unbelievable. But solid, atmospheric writing and characterization.
Carol wrote: "love the '1.0' designation. It's awesome."
Edit: Sorry, I should of said, thank you there.
Carol wrote: "yeah, the premise of The Likeness was totally unbelievable. But solid, atmospheric writing..."
Yes the writing is good in all the books. I just found the story lacking. I actually like book 3: Faithful Place the most. Each book follows a different member of the Murder Squad, so they can be read in any order. There's no real carry over from one to the next. The narrator of book 1, never appears in book 2 or 3. Same for the narrator of book 2 is not in book 3.
Edit: Sorry, I should of said, thank you there.
Carol wrote: "yeah, the premise of The Likeness was totally unbelievable. But solid, atmospheric writing..."
Yes the writing is good in all the books. I just found the story lacking. I actually like book 3: Faithful Place the most. Each book follows a different member of the Murder Squad, so they can be read in any order. There's no real carry over from one to the next. The narrator of book 1, never appears in book 2 or 3. Same for the narrator of book 2 is not in book 3.
Her latest feels most solid in terms of mystery plotting (along the lines of The Faithful Place). It still has her trademark nostalgia/past presence, less focused on psychology of the detectives. I'd agree that the plotting is often the weakest part of most of her books--they really seem to be character studies.
I've really enjoyed all the books in this series, save for The Likeness, but I agree with Carol; these books are really character studies more than anything else.
Great review, Carol. I just finished this excellent book and enjoyed your review. Here's mine, although I honestly think yours is better: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...
Thank you, Mona. Glad you enjoyed the book, although I imagine it would have been even better with accents (I love the Irish accent!)
Carol. wrote: "Thank you, Mona. Glad you enjoyed the book, although I imagine it would have been even better with accents (I love the Irish accent!)"He did do some Irish accents---oddly he gave Sam an Irish accent, but gave Rosalind an English accent. It kind of works, because it makes Rosalind sound really snotty, but it's not exactly authentic.
Great review, Carol :))))) I have this sitting on my tbr list for some time. Maybe I'll be able to squeeze it in my December read :)
Thanks, Orient--I really love her writing. The plot isn't always totally perfect, but she is so very, very good at characters, mood and setting.
Carol. wrote: "Thanks, Orient--I really love her writing. The plot isn't always totally perfect, but she is so very, very good at characters, mood and setting."
Great, I always give my priority to gripping characters :)
Great, I always give my priority to gripping characters :)
This review answers the question I put under your review for number 6. Looks like I'll be checking out this series!
Matthias wrote: "This review answers the question I put under your review for number 6. Looks like I'll be checking out this series!"
Really fabulous character and atmosphere writing.
Caro wrote: "Loved this one, absolutely and forever. Great review!"
Caro--thank you!
Really fabulous character and atmosphere writing.
Caro wrote: "Loved this one, absolutely and forever. Great review!"
Caro--thank you!
Hm. I know for a fact that I bought the first book of this series off of one of your reviews, but I guess it wasn't this one, since it was unfamiliar and I hadn't "liked" it. Fixed!
Not yet! The quotes you've been posting have been so great, it's hard to put it off, but I'll have to since I've got three group and/or buddy reads lined up right now.
Hmm, Carol; we're 80% on mysteries. Hard to say. As I note at the end, it might be almost... offensive to mystery readers who want a clear-cut solution. But I do love her writing and characterization, which is really more about psychological issues wrapped in a mystery coating.
Well, from the trailer, it looks like it will be nothing like the book (surprise, surprise, she said ironically), including as it does scenes of cages, 'he rises' written on the wall, and a bleeding jesus figure. Oh, and the 'three children taken' thing. Well done, Hollywood, well done.
carol. wrote: "Well, from the trailer, it looks like it will be nothing like the book (surprise, surprise, she said ironically), including as it does scenes of cages, 'he rises' written on the wall, and a bleedin..."
LOL Well, it's actually a UK production--I think Starz only purchased the rights--so blame the crooked teethers. Was there only one kid that went missing in Rob's past? It's been a long time since I read this, I only remember that homicide or missing person's report (view spoiler) I have no idea how they'll work any part of The Likeness into the show either, but I'll reserve judgement.
LOL Well, it's actually a UK production--I think Starz only purchased the rights--so blame the crooked teethers. Was there only one kid that went missing in Rob's past? It's been a long time since I read this, I only remember that homicide or missing person's report (view spoiler) I have no idea how they'll work any part of The Likeness into the show either, but I'll reserve judgement.
Funny you should mention the teeth. (view spoiler)
I thought it was only one kid that went missing in Rob's past, but what do I know. I never figured out the ending like kelly and jily did. I don't need to reserve judgment; tv never does a good job, except the very rare cases when it does better (Princess Bride), or better-but-different. But it does look like they are doing a great job with atmosphere and mood.
I thought it was only one kid that went missing in Rob's past, but what do I know. I never figured out the ending like kelly and jily did. I don't need to reserve judgment; tv never does a good job, except the very rare cases when it does better (Princess Bride), or better-but-different. But it does look like they are doing a great job with atmosphere and mood.
carol. wrote: "Funny you should mention the teeth. [spoilers removed]"
Or an (view spoiler)
I think you're selling TV short, the medium as a whole has improved dramatically over the last few years. There are so many networks, production companies, and streaming services fighting for eyeballs that they've been forced to up their game. But, I do agree that the source material is almost always better. And, producers still have a bad habit of rejiggering key plot elements to try to surprise the readers and keep things fresh.
Or an (view spoiler)
I think you're selling TV short, the medium as a whole has improved dramatically over the last few years. There are so many networks, production companies, and streaming services fighting for eyeballs that they've been forced to up their game. But, I do agree that the source material is almost always better. And, producers still have a bad habit of rejiggering key plot elements to try to surprise the readers and keep things fresh.
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Dude. Apples and oranges. One's very much a thinky-brain-processed media, the other is very visually dependent, bolstered by auditory cues. Totally different kind of story-telling, so it stands to reason that most things would fall in the "equal-but-different' if well done. Add in the tendency dumb everything down, then add romance/sex, then cut scenes every three minutes and, yeah, I'm not really underestimating it. I enjoy it at times, but it fulfills different needs.
Dude. Apples and oranges. One's very much a thinky-brain-processed media, the other is very visually dependent, bolstered by auditory cues. Totally different kind of story-telling, so it stands to reason that most things would fall in the "equal-but-different' if well done. Add in the tendency dumb everything down, then add romance/sex, then cut scenes every three minutes and, yeah, I'm not really underestimating it. I enjoy it at times, but it fulfills different needs.
True that. My point was only that the quality/storytelling has improved by leaps and bounds in recent years. So much so, that I actually greatly prefer the long-form of television to movies at this point. Unless the story the movie is telling is really narrow-focused, more like a short story.
I wouldn't disagree, from everything I hear, though I'm not a big tv fan. I still get quite frustrated with the quality of continuity when I end up binge-watching.
But my original point is that really, it's just a different form, and I'm generally going to prefer the book to the movie. idk, though, as Tana French is also professionally a theater person; she might have the vision and insight to 'see' a creation both ways. It's true that a lot of her text is description, which would be able to be condensed pretty well visually.
But my original point is that really, it's just a different form, and I'm generally going to prefer the book to the movie. idk, though, as Tana French is also professionally a theater person; she might have the vision and insight to 'see' a creation both ways. It's true that a lot of her text is description, which would be able to be condensed pretty well visually.
Dublin Murders (2019)
Crime series based on the novels by Tana French.
I'm terribly disappointed the Cassie Maddax character doesn't ride a vespa in the first book' episodes.
Crime series based on the novels by Tana French.
I'm terribly disappointed the Cassie Maddax character doesn't ride a vespa in the first book' episodes.