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We Are Legion (We Are Bob) (Bobiverse, #1)
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bookshelves: friend-recommended, sci-fi, my-library-kindle, i-am-not-a-robot, ships-in-space
Aug 17, 2018
bookshelves: friend-recommended, sci-fi, my-library-kindle, i-am-not-a-robot, ships-in-space
I like Bob. I've been swimming with him in Master's Swim Club for four or five years. He is always on time, always ready to work, and has the enviable ability--the result of decades as an accountant--of being able to keep track of yardage and time sets. He is also the only one who reliably plays The Pun Game with me, until I laugh so hard I can't swim. He is a genuinely nice guy, and always up for a (dark) beer after practice. But you have to be careful about sitting with him when you drink that beer, because when he gets going on a story, and even with alcohol, it'll be enough to put you to sleep. You can tell he means to be interesting, but the dry delivery and too many irrelevant details leave people glassy-eyed.
We Are Legion is definitely a Bob story. The narrator--Bob--is an engineer who as been cryogenically preserved and transferred into an A.I. Taylor has captured the voice of an analyst perfectly. Here's Bob during one of those times he is unaware his audience's eyes are glazing over:
"We would then coast the rest of the way to the area of the Brazilian autofactory at close to 13% of the speed of light, separated by a few minutes to allow a staggered attack. At that speed, there would be no turning around for a second pass in any reasonable time. It took a week to get out to 50 AU, but only five days of straight acceleration to get into the Alpha Centauri A system. At a predetermined point, I ejected two scouts forward using the rail gun."
Sometimes Bob is funny, particularly in the one-liner kind of way:
"I recognized Dr. Landers’ voice. The word was “missiles.” Um. Ways in which a sentence beginning with the word “missiles” could be a good thing… Nope. I got nuthin’."
and:
"It blew me away that almost two hundred years after Shatner first famously didn’t actually say, “Beam me up, Scotty,” people still knew Star Trek. Now that’s a franchise."
Eventually Bob the A.I. reaches the skies, and the story-telling fragments around four plot-lines (vaguest of spoilers follow). One, whether or not anyone on Earth is still alive after the war that launched Bob. The second, Bob's quest to seek out new habitable planets for humanity. Three, engagement with the other Bob-like technologies; and four, the discovery of sentient races. Since Bob has cloned himself but allowed for small variations in personality factors, each of these viewpoints is slightly different. Not different enough, however, largely because inter-Bob dialogue consists of smart-ass remarks and saying things like, “Hey, Gherkin. Miss me?” “Not from this range. Want to place a bet?” Goku’s tone was light, but I knew he was irritated. Because, well, I would have been. “Bite me. Did you look over the pics I sent?”
While I give Taylor points for creative concept, there are two significant problems with the narrative. One, the aforementioned story-telling challenge. The second is that since Bob is virtually eternal and omnipotent, the book feels like a slightly-amusing history teacher recounting The History of Things. On the upside, at least one of the four plot-lines is bound to satisfy a sci-fi itch, whether it's colonization, alien races, space fights, or the mechanics of exploration. The omnipotence took away a large measure of suspense; the only issue was whether or not a Bob would be able to 3-D print to meet a time deadline. I'll also note that there are quite a few ansibles developed in this book (the solution Ursula LeGuin created in her worlds for interstellar communications). But since there were so many convenient but implausible 'discoveries' meant that I never really doubted a solution would appear.
My actual reading experience went like this: I'd pick up the book, read for a while, get sleepy or interrupted and put it down. I would feel absolutely no urge to pick it up again, and actually read at least two other books during that time. When I picked it up again, I'd read steadily until interruption, and then set it down for a few days. It wasn't until about 70% that I really found myself invested in finishing the book.
Ultimately, there are too many stories, too surface a view, too little suspense, coated in Friends-type one-liners when it isn't delving into the science of mining or 3-D printing (as noted with the alien race, Bob is definitely not into biology and has only rudimentary ecology). I think for me, it boiled down to character--Bob isn't nearly as funny as he thinks he is--and insufficient depth with some really complex sci-fi material (the philosophy of trying to save a race? Exterminate other A.I.s? Create an artificial body). Any single storyline would have deserved its own book.
I like Bob, I really do. He's a genuinely nice guy who is enthusiastic about his passions and works hard to be successful. But he really needs to work on his story-telling ability, or at the very least, buy his listeners more beer.
We Are Legion is definitely a Bob story. The narrator--Bob--is an engineer who as been cryogenically preserved and transferred into an A.I. Taylor has captured the voice of an analyst perfectly. Here's Bob during one of those times he is unaware his audience's eyes are glazing over:
"We would then coast the rest of the way to the area of the Brazilian autofactory at close to 13% of the speed of light, separated by a few minutes to allow a staggered attack. At that speed, there would be no turning around for a second pass in any reasonable time. It took a week to get out to 50 AU, but only five days of straight acceleration to get into the Alpha Centauri A system. At a predetermined point, I ejected two scouts forward using the rail gun."
Sometimes Bob is funny, particularly in the one-liner kind of way:
"I recognized Dr. Landers’ voice. The word was “missiles.” Um. Ways in which a sentence beginning with the word “missiles” could be a good thing… Nope. I got nuthin’."
and:
"It blew me away that almost two hundred years after Shatner first famously didn’t actually say, “Beam me up, Scotty,” people still knew Star Trek. Now that’s a franchise."
Eventually Bob the A.I. reaches the skies, and the story-telling fragments around four plot-lines (vaguest of spoilers follow). One, whether or not anyone on Earth is still alive after the war that launched Bob. The second, Bob's quest to seek out new habitable planets for humanity. Three, engagement with the other Bob-like technologies; and four, the discovery of sentient races. Since Bob has cloned himself but allowed for small variations in personality factors, each of these viewpoints is slightly different. Not different enough, however, largely because inter-Bob dialogue consists of smart-ass remarks and saying things like, “Hey, Gherkin. Miss me?” “Not from this range. Want to place a bet?” Goku’s tone was light, but I knew he was irritated. Because, well, I would have been. “Bite me. Did you look over the pics I sent?”
While I give Taylor points for creative concept, there are two significant problems with the narrative. One, the aforementioned story-telling challenge. The second is that since Bob is virtually eternal and omnipotent, the book feels like a slightly-amusing history teacher recounting The History of Things. On the upside, at least one of the four plot-lines is bound to satisfy a sci-fi itch, whether it's colonization, alien races, space fights, or the mechanics of exploration. The omnipotence took away a large measure of suspense; the only issue was whether or not a Bob would be able to 3-D print to meet a time deadline. I'll also note that there are quite a few ansibles developed in this book (the solution Ursula LeGuin created in her worlds for interstellar communications). But since there were so many convenient but implausible 'discoveries' meant that I never really doubted a solution would appear.
My actual reading experience went like this: I'd pick up the book, read for a while, get sleepy or interrupted and put it down. I would feel absolutely no urge to pick it up again, and actually read at least two other books during that time. When I picked it up again, I'd read steadily until interruption, and then set it down for a few days. It wasn't until about 70% that I really found myself invested in finishing the book.
Ultimately, there are too many stories, too surface a view, too little suspense, coated in Friends-type one-liners when it isn't delving into the science of mining or 3-D printing (as noted with the alien race, Bob is definitely not into biology and has only rudimentary ecology). I think for me, it boiled down to character--Bob isn't nearly as funny as he thinks he is--and insufficient depth with some really complex sci-fi material (the philosophy of trying to save a race? Exterminate other A.I.s? Create an artificial body). Any single storyline would have deserved its own book.
I like Bob, I really do. He's a genuinely nice guy who is enthusiastic about his passions and works hard to be successful. But he really needs to work on his story-telling ability, or at the very least, buy his listeners more beer.
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I've been so curious about the Bobiverse! Looking forward to your thoughts.
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I'm enjoying it. A little technical, I think, on the engineer/computer side for my late-night brain, but undemanding.
No, I really did stall out. It's very ... idk, it's like the dorky guy that is funny but tries too hard? And I didn't want to pay attention enough to learn all the Bob-characters.
Carol. wrote: "No, I really did stall out. It's very ... idk, it's like the dorky guy that is funny but tries too hard? And I didn't want to pay attention enough to learn all the Bob-characters."
Kind of sounds like how I felt about The Lives of Tao. I'll probably skip this, then
Kind of sounds like how I felt about The Lives of Tao. I'll probably skip this, then
Lives of Tao (which is still on my tbr, but never gets too much past 2/3s) sounds like it is moderately more amusing with moderately more characterization than this.
Carol thanks for reading a book that I would not touch with a ten foot pole. Lol !!
Nicely reviewed and thanks for taking Bob out for drinks !!
Nicely reviewed and thanks for taking Bob out for drinks !!
Thanks, Jaidee. Bob is a sincere and genuinely Nice Guy, but it doesn't mean I'd want to be stuck in an elevator with him (although at least he wouldn't be creepy, either). ;)
Just finished. I liked Bob too but even LOTS of beer wouldn't help me with Taylor's narrative. Too eighth grade fan-pic for me.
I saw your review! I wouldn't have thought of fan-fic, but I suppose that's the general feel. Guess he's playing in the general Star Trek universe?
I agree. I'm midway through the book, and I'm questioning whether or not I should even finish it. Dennis E. Taylor had such a neat concept and the first 10% was interesting, but now I'm just muddling through technical jargon and jumping around in time. It's getting old.
Well, according to my review, it paid off somewhat in the last 30%. Once the Bobs split, it goes in different directions, and you might find a more palatable storyline (my own preference was for the aliens).
You read the best of the bunch. My review of the final Bhob [sic] story (All These Worlds summarizes my disappointment with the series. Oh! And you forgot to mention its YA.
Ha! I wouldn't call Bob YA. Although now that you mention it, there may be another shelf it belongs on...
carol. wrote: "Ha! I wouldn't call Bob YA. Although now that you mention it, there may be another shelf it belongs on..."
It’s Tim ’s considered opinion that it’s YA.
It’s Tim ’s considered opinion that it’s YA.
Well, I'm 70% through now, so I'll see if I can hold out. I probably won't pick up the next one, though.
Thanks for the recommendation, Stephen.
Thanks for the recommendation, Stephen.
Spot on review, as always. I also felt very sleepy while reading this, which is why I decided to just stop, even though I didn't feel like it was a bad book.
Nefeli wrote: "... I didn't feel like it was a bad book."
If you liked this book, you might want to checkout Planesrunner (my review). Ian McDonald is a more accomplished author. That book has a similar look 'n feel although its steampunk.
Frankly, I'm ambivalent about this developing trend for Euro-authors starting to write YA-ish series. For example, Alastair Reynolds has started doing the same. ( carol. recently reviewed his The Perfect.) I suspect its lucrative for them, but my disappointment is it slows down their output of their work for other audiences.
If you liked this book, you might want to checkout Planesrunner (my review). Ian McDonald is a more accomplished author. That book has a similar look 'n feel although its steampunk.
Frankly, I'm ambivalent about this developing trend for Euro-authors starting to write YA-ish series. For example, Alastair Reynolds has started doing the same. ( carol. recently reviewed his The Perfect.) I suspect its lucrative for them, but my disappointment is it slows down their output of their work for other audiences.
Charles wrote: "If you liked this book, you might want to checkout Planesrunner"
It looks interesting, I might give it a shot. Thanks!
It looks interesting, I might give it a shot. Thanks!
Nefeli wrote: "Spot on review, as always. I also felt very sleepy while reading this, which is why I decided to just stop, even though I didn't feel like it was a bad book."
Thank you! Quite sleepy-making.
Thank you! Quite sleepy-making.
Picked this up for a second attempt today and I've made it as far as the training sessions (~10% in) before losing interest this time. I just don't like the narrative style and reading your review, I doubt I'll find anything here that makes me want to pull through. Thanks for another great review Carol!
You are welcome, Dylan. It had some fun things, but if it didn't grab you, I don't think staying is going to offer much more. On to the next in Mt. TBR!
I agree with your viewpoint somewhat, though did not find the book boring. But I have to acknowledge that one of the major reasons for me liking the book was the omnipotence - I just would not enjoy too much suspense or close calls, so the book was safe and entertaining read. Might read the follow-ups too, will need to buy them for my 12yo anyway. It is fun sharing a reading experience with him.
I'm about halfway through and I'm feeling exactly this. It's kind of the same problem I had with Murderbot. All technical, very little story.
Thanks for the review! I think you perfectly summarised why I couldn’t find it in me to finish the book. I got extremely hooked up at the beginning - I really enjoyed the “becoming an AI” part, personal dilemmas and solid world building. But after that I found it harder and harder to stay invested. Eventually I dropped the book (which I rarely do) about half way through. It just got tedious, and after yet another space combat scene, which made me yawning again, I just put the book aside. I never got the urge to finish it. And that’s really a shame, because I wish I could enjoy it!
I don't think Dennis E. Taylor is a good writer. This reads like an aspiring middle grader's first attempt at writing a sci-fi novel. The fact that it's scoring as high as infinitely more lyrical Children of Time just demonstrates the inherent problem with rating systems, which is nicely summed up by Dunning and Kruger.
I agree with this excellent review. Concepts and first half of book was a great draw and curiosity prickled ,but then , as a story, lost its way, didnt ground itself in characters for the whole book, and overall no one unified high-stakes event to keep you in suspense and ask the vital question > how will this end!?