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Royal Assassin (Farseer Trilogy, #2)
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bookshelves: good-is-dumb, political-intrigue, disappointments, fantasy, reviewed
Oct 08, 2011
bookshelves: good-is-dumb, political-intrigue, disappointments, fantasy, reviewed
I will rant about this book, there's no doubt in my mind. I'm simply trying to gather my thoughts. Let's try with the first book, "Assassin's Apprentice," shall we?
I liked Book I. It was a beginning story, a training story. Young FitzChivalry is the bastard son of King-in-Waiting Chivalry and has to come to terms with a world that doesn't want him. King Shrewd, however, decides to train him as an assassin from an early age, and so begins young Fitz' journey into adulthood and the intrigues of the royal court. Book I works because Fitz is too young to understand half of what he's doing or to give any serious thought to it. He's learning to play a dangerous chess game against opponents who have far more experience, though usually less sense, than him. Therefore, we expect his failures to be on par with his victories, probably to surpass them even.
Book II suffers from trying to pull the same stunt twice to an older and more experienced Fitz. We tell ourselves Fitz would have learned from the ordeals in Book I, that he would try to forge his own identity, make his own decisions, be his own man for once. He doesn't. At no time did I feel him grow as a character, rather he was always complaining about how unfair life was to him, about what he wanted to do, never sparing a thought for others except occasionally and briefly. Fitz is always putting his urges, his desires, first, always at the expense of putting other people in danger. An assassin should know better.
So, yes, this turns Fitz into a selfish, little brat, but there's still worse to come. I've said it before and I'll say it again: heroes (and their entourage) needn't be stupid for villains to be smart. But this is what happens in Book II. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is dumb beyond the point of credulity, wielding feeble arguments to argue passivity. Of course, this only makes Fitz' character even dumber for going along with it all. Treason is brewing in the royal court and everyone seems to believe inaction is the best remedy. Some even go so far as claiming it's their only choice, a ludicrous thought. Peasants, soldiers, lords, all are easily duped by a web of conspiracy that can be seen from light years away. Not one character makes a sensible choice throughout the length of Book II and the author has utterly failed to convince me about the reasons why.
I suppose what angers me the most is how the author manipulates hope to lure the reader in. Hope that Fitz will become his own man, hope that things will turn out okay, hope that somebody will have the sense to kill Regal once and for all and thus put an end to his far-fetched charade. With every turn of page, every chapter that gets consumed by the reader, things take a turn for the worse; each successive title forebodes another dark, depressing chapter, and the reader's hopes slowly, but surely, ebb away. It's an incredibly depressing book, not so much for the plot itself, but because of how unbelievably the characters act. The author seems intent on convincing you that two plus two equals five when you know it to be four.
I tried to convince myself Book III would be better. I checked the one-star reviews to prepare for the worst and was not disappointed. Everything I've read points to a long and pointless read that turns productive towards its bittersweet ending that seems more bitter than sweet. There's apparently another trilogy about Fitz' exploits that tries to tie some, if not all, of the plot holes of the Farseer Trilogy, but I presently feel too deceived by this trilogy to entertain the notion of beginning another one, with the same dumb protagonist and written by the same author.
Originally, I gave this a two-star rating out of pity, more than anything else, but then "Rule of Two" came to mind. I gave that one a one-star rating on the basis of its incredible -in the true sense of the word- plot, but I think "Royal Assassin" is the first book I've read that not only has a plot that doesn't hold water, of any kind, but it is also way too depressing going about it. At this point in time, I wish I could erase this book from memory, commit it to some deep, dark corner of my mind and leave it there for all eternity.
Some time in the distant future I may gather the will to read the end of this trilogy. Or perhaps not. But if there's something Robin Hobb has helped me discover is what kind of fantasy I enjoy and what kind I don't. I've discovered I don't enjoy the kind of fantasy that puts its main character through a constant stream of endless suffering that furthers no plot or character development. Suffering for the sake of suffering itself is pointless. Worse, it's bad writing or, in any event, it makes for bad reading.
To close this rather long rant I leave you with this: In my world of reading/writing I praise subtlety over brutality, cunning over stupidity, strong characters that react to circumstance rather than being manipulated by the author's desires. Every writer sets him or herself with an endgame. Some, in trying to organise their way through to it, lose perspective of their characters, wondering more about getting character X to do action Y and less about why character X should do action Y in the first place. I won't say whether this is right or wrong, but I've always valued the latter over the former. So, my advice, for whatever is worth, is this: build strong characters, set your pieces, and only then play the game. Who knows, maybe the game will take you in unforeseeable directions...
I liked Book I. It was a beginning story, a training story. Young FitzChivalry is the bastard son of King-in-Waiting Chivalry and has to come to terms with a world that doesn't want him. King Shrewd, however, decides to train him as an assassin from an early age, and so begins young Fitz' journey into adulthood and the intrigues of the royal court. Book I works because Fitz is too young to understand half of what he's doing or to give any serious thought to it. He's learning to play a dangerous chess game against opponents who have far more experience, though usually less sense, than him. Therefore, we expect his failures to be on par with his victories, probably to surpass them even.
Book II suffers from trying to pull the same stunt twice to an older and more experienced Fitz. We tell ourselves Fitz would have learned from the ordeals in Book I, that he would try to forge his own identity, make his own decisions, be his own man for once. He doesn't. At no time did I feel him grow as a character, rather he was always complaining about how unfair life was to him, about what he wanted to do, never sparing a thought for others except occasionally and briefly. Fitz is always putting his urges, his desires, first, always at the expense of putting other people in danger. An assassin should know better.
So, yes, this turns Fitz into a selfish, little brat, but there's still worse to come. I've said it before and I'll say it again: heroes (and their entourage) needn't be stupid for villains to be smart. But this is what happens in Book II. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is dumb beyond the point of credulity, wielding feeble arguments to argue passivity. Of course, this only makes Fitz' character even dumber for going along with it all. Treason is brewing in the royal court and everyone seems to believe inaction is the best remedy. Some even go so far as claiming it's their only choice, a ludicrous thought. Peasants, soldiers, lords, all are easily duped by a web of conspiracy that can be seen from light years away. Not one character makes a sensible choice throughout the length of Book II and the author has utterly failed to convince me about the reasons why.
I suppose what angers me the most is how the author manipulates hope to lure the reader in. Hope that Fitz will become his own man, hope that things will turn out okay, hope that somebody will have the sense to kill Regal once and for all and thus put an end to his far-fetched charade. With every turn of page, every chapter that gets consumed by the reader, things take a turn for the worse; each successive title forebodes another dark, depressing chapter, and the reader's hopes slowly, but surely, ebb away. It's an incredibly depressing book, not so much for the plot itself, but because of how unbelievably the characters act. The author seems intent on convincing you that two plus two equals five when you know it to be four.
I tried to convince myself Book III would be better. I checked the one-star reviews to prepare for the worst and was not disappointed. Everything I've read points to a long and pointless read that turns productive towards its bittersweet ending that seems more bitter than sweet. There's apparently another trilogy about Fitz' exploits that tries to tie some, if not all, of the plot holes of the Farseer Trilogy, but I presently feel too deceived by this trilogy to entertain the notion of beginning another one, with the same dumb protagonist and written by the same author.
Originally, I gave this a two-star rating out of pity, more than anything else, but then "Rule of Two" came to mind. I gave that one a one-star rating on the basis of its incredible -in the true sense of the word- plot, but I think "Royal Assassin" is the first book I've read that not only has a plot that doesn't hold water, of any kind, but it is also way too depressing going about it. At this point in time, I wish I could erase this book from memory, commit it to some deep, dark corner of my mind and leave it there for all eternity.
Some time in the distant future I may gather the will to read the end of this trilogy. Or perhaps not. But if there's something Robin Hobb has helped me discover is what kind of fantasy I enjoy and what kind I don't. I've discovered I don't enjoy the kind of fantasy that puts its main character through a constant stream of endless suffering that furthers no plot or character development. Suffering for the sake of suffering itself is pointless. Worse, it's bad writing or, in any event, it makes for bad reading.
To close this rather long rant I leave you with this: In my world of reading/writing I praise subtlety over brutality, cunning over stupidity, strong characters that react to circumstance rather than being manipulated by the author's desires. Every writer sets him or herself with an endgame. Some, in trying to organise their way through to it, lose perspective of their characters, wondering more about getting character X to do action Y and less about why character X should do action Y in the first place. I won't say whether this is right or wrong, but I've always valued the latter over the former. So, my advice, for whatever is worth, is this: build strong characters, set your pieces, and only then play the game. Who knows, maybe the game will take you in unforeseeable directions...
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Validates my decission of not continuing with this series after a so-so first book
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Good call, and the second Fitz trilogy is even worse, if what little I've read is any guidance. Is the "Sword of Truth" series any good? It's in my to-do list but I'm ever suspicious of long-running book series. I think I'll read "Corum" next.
Frankly, Sword of Truth started as a vanilla high fantasy, but I really liked how it evolved.
Typicall formula where the young clueless character is really THE CHOSEN ONE and has to save the freaking world/worlds.
Had a few interesting twists and it's well written. I havent finished the series, and heard that the latest books are considerably crappier.
Typicall formula where the young clueless character is really THE CHOSEN ONE and has to save the freaking world/worlds.
Had a few interesting twists and it's well written. I havent finished the series, and heard that the latest books are considerably crappier.
I've heard similar. I'm also planning on reading "A Song of Ice and Fire" and I'm hoping it's not as depressing as Farseer. The only highlight over the past weeks has been "Ender's Game" but I was disappointed to find that its sequel has nothing to do with the Bugger Wars. Bugger.
Ender 1 is cool...after that it gets philosophical and sucks. If you want GOOD sci-fi I've read plenty.
Game of thrones is REALLY good, and very fashionable right now with the series and all. The last book dissapointed me, tough and I don't trust the author to ever end this correctly
Game of thrones is REALLY good, and very fashionable right now with the series and all. The last book dissapointed me, tough and I don't trust the author to ever end this correctly
I'm only halfway through this book and am frustrated beyond belief. You have eloquently stated my thoughts so far. I'll finish the book for my own personal reasons, but don't know that it's worth putting myself through the torture of the third book when there are so many good books out there I haven't yet read.
@Andres: Really liked the second Ender book and am looking forward to reading more in that series. It is a bit philosophical, but interesting at least. The characters have believable motivation, unlike the Farseer Trilogy.
@Andres: Really liked the second Ender book and am looking forward to reading more in that series. It is a bit philosophical, but interesting at least. The characters have believable motivation, unlike the Farseer Trilogy.
It really is a pity because I don't like leaving a trilogy unfinished (it also happened to me with Clarke's "A Time Odyssey"), but I don't think I'll be putting myself through Book 3 anytime soon (or ever). I commend you for your dedication, AA, and hope to read your own review soon.
As for "Speaker for the Dead," it just seems too... predictable, and more than a bit preachy for my taste. Maybe I'll have another go at it to see if my initial impressions were correct or not.
As for "Speaker for the Dead," it just seems too... predictable, and more than a bit preachy for my taste. Maybe I'll have another go at it to see if my initial impressions were correct or not.
It's interessting to so someone with a so different view.
I can say I do understand your view on this and won't exactly deny it, but I think for me it's just that I don't expect to much from some books.
I like this trilogy so far (just finished the 2nd) it lets me escape from my daily life a bit ( it's not terrible at all I just like to move my thought to a different world when i'm done working )
As for Game of Thrones, I really do not like it.
The series was ok but couldn't hold me long because of the major skips and the annoying actors ( especially the dutch one god I disike her )
The books couldn't captivate me either, it was a drag for me to read them.
As for sword of truth. I own and have read them all.
The first book looks like it takes forever goodkind has a good way to drag parts on ( in a good way) he is exceptionally detailed in his writing.
The series only picks up after that, except for 1 book which although adds much to the story, is a more political book then fantasy. That one took me ages to finish.
The books get better again and the last 2 are not that bad but definitely not the best.
Then there is a spinoff called thelaw of nines which is different and ok, but not that satisfactory.
After that came the omen machine, which was too short
Then last month he release the pre-prequel "the first confessor" only in ebook form, and that was a classical goodkind book again.
As for recommendations.
Heroic fantasy, for i'd recommend David Gemmell the rigante series if you are in to that, but anything gemmell is worth it.
Brandon sanderson does a good job on the wheel of time but also on his other books, the mistborn series and the way of kings
The wheel of time is a good series, with the final book being done now and will be released in january of 2013
As a last not, good review, good argument points. Love to see more of these type of reviews on goodreads
I can say I do understand your view on this and won't exactly deny it, but I think for me it's just that I don't expect to much from some books.
I like this trilogy so far (just finished the 2nd) it lets me escape from my daily life a bit ( it's not terrible at all I just like to move my thought to a different world when i'm done working )
As for Game of Thrones, I really do not like it.
The series was ok but couldn't hold me long because of the major skips and the annoying actors ( especially the dutch one god I disike her )
The books couldn't captivate me either, it was a drag for me to read them.
As for sword of truth. I own and have read them all.
The first book looks like it takes forever goodkind has a good way to drag parts on ( in a good way) he is exceptionally detailed in his writing.
The series only picks up after that, except for 1 book which although adds much to the story, is a more political book then fantasy. That one took me ages to finish.
The books get better again and the last 2 are not that bad but definitely not the best.
Then there is a spinoff called thelaw of nines which is different and ok, but not that satisfactory.
After that came the omen machine, which was too short
Then last month he release the pre-prequel "the first confessor" only in ebook form, and that was a classical goodkind book again.
As for recommendations.
Heroic fantasy, for i'd recommend David Gemmell the rigante series if you are in to that, but anything gemmell is worth it.
Brandon sanderson does a good job on the wheel of time but also on his other books, the mistborn series and the way of kings
The wheel of time is a good series, with the final book being done now and will be released in january of 2013
As a last not, good review, good argument points. Love to see more of these type of reviews on goodreads
Couldn't disagree more. Fitz doesn't kill Regal out of loyalty for his king, and faith that he knows what he's doing. It's REALISTIC that good doesn't necessarily triumph. When you use your power to kill and threaten people, you have a higher chance of coming out on top.
You wanted a good ending? Good endings are predictable and cliche. I like the direction Hobb took with this book.
You wanted a good ending? Good endings are predictable and cliche. I like the direction Hobb took with this book.
Darionanagi wrote: "Couldn't disagree more. Fitz doesn't kill Regal out of loyalty for his king, and faith that he knows what he's doing. It's REALISTIC that good doesn't necessarily triumph. When you use your power t..."
Where in my review do I say I wanted a "good ending"? In fact, I didn't even say Fitz should kill Regal, only that it doesn't make sense nobody even tries.
You have read the review, haven't you?
Where in my review do I say I wanted a "good ending"? In fact, I didn't even say Fitz should kill Regal, only that it doesn't make sense nobody even tries.
You have read the review, haven't you?
I was referring to this paragraph:
"I suppose what angers me the most is how the author manipulates hope to lure the reader in. Hope that Fitz will become his own man, hope that things will turn out okay, hope that somebody will have the sense to kill Regal once and for all and thus put an end to his far-fetched charade. With every turn of page, every chapter that gets consumed by the reader, things take a turn for the worse; each successive title forebodes another dark, depressing chapter, and the reader's hopes slowly, but surely, ebb away."
You're right, you didn't say it, but you implied it. You expected someone would have the sense to kill Regal? Shrewd loved him too much for that. Even after all he did, he was still his son.
And you were hoping for a better chapter towards the ending, so doesn't that mean you wanted a good ending? Something like that's impossible with a man like Regal in power.
"I suppose what angers me the most is how the author manipulates hope to lure the reader in. Hope that Fitz will become his own man, hope that things will turn out okay, hope that somebody will have the sense to kill Regal once and for all and thus put an end to his far-fetched charade. With every turn of page, every chapter that gets consumed by the reader, things take a turn for the worse; each successive title forebodes another dark, depressing chapter, and the reader's hopes slowly, but surely, ebb away."
You're right, you didn't say it, but you implied it. You expected someone would have the sense to kill Regal? Shrewd loved him too much for that. Even after all he did, he was still his son.
And you were hoping for a better chapter towards the ending, so doesn't that mean you wanted a good ending? Something like that's impossible with a man like Regal in power.
So Shrewd is the only character in the book who would have cause to kill a man like Regal?
A better chapter does not necessarily imply a good ending. I don't mind the villains winning, but I do mind when they do so at the expense of dumb characters and contrived storytelling.
A better chapter does not necessarily imply a good ending. I don't mind the villains winning, but I do mind when they do so at the expense of dumb characters and contrived storytelling.
No, but Shrewd is the one calling the shots on who dies and who doesn't in his castle.
Why was the story contrived and dumb? Did you want Fitz to tell everyone the truth? It had already been established that him being a "wolfman" would make everyone despise him. What choice did he have?
Why was the story contrived and dumb? Did you want Fitz to tell everyone the truth? It had already been established that him being a "wolfman" would make everyone despise him. What choice did he have?
Robin hobb has some of the best story telling. Sure she may not have some of the best world building, but she really lets u have a feel for Fitz and his continuing struggles through the series. As for him making the same mistakes in book 1 and again in 2 I ask what do u expect?? A perfect character like harry potter? I for one enjoyed reading the continuous err done by Fitz simply because it made me have a stronger connection to him.
I agree that none of the people in the story act reasonably, he does not even need to kill Regal, only discredit him earlier in the series he does this to a woman by causing her to break out in boils.
Why couldnt he do something similar,or get him hopelessly addicted to the drugs he likes?
The over arching theme of the series is of sacrifice of the royalty for the good of the kingdom,so why isn't the life of one incompetent royal worth it, you summarized it better than I could the characters were being stupid and obtuse so that the author could get a cheap writing device to carry the plot
Why couldnt he do something similar,or get him hopelessly addicted to the drugs he likes?
The over arching theme of the series is of sacrifice of the royalty for the good of the kingdom,so why isn't the life of one incompetent royal worth it, you summarized it better than I could the characters were being stupid and obtuse so that the author could get a cheap writing device to carry the plot
Fitz promised to his king that he wouldn't harm Regal. At the time, fitz took that promise very serious.
like I said characters in this trilogy behave unrealistically, I've just read the last book as well and hated it even more than this one,I loved the first book it was promising but ultimately the trilogy is one cliched mess you see all the so called "twists" coming up yet the characters themselves are too stupid to behave in any reasonable fashion.
Stephen wrote: "Fitz grows massively in book 2 and more so again in book 3."
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
At first, I was a bit iffy about reading the review, but it sums up everything I felt about the book. I read the third (I hate leaving a series unfinished - little did I know there was about 4 more!) and it all just dragged on and on and on. You expect cleverness, ruthlessness, wit, charm, everything, EVERYTHING an assassin needs - the social skills, the ability to blend in - the whole nine yards - and you barely get any at all.
It was massively disappointing. I'm trying to work up the courage to read the second lot of the same story, but I don't want to be so heavily let down again. There was no character progression - I'm terrified the newer books will be the same.
It was massively disappointing. I'm trying to work up the courage to read the second lot of the same story, but I don't want to be so heavily let down again. There was no character progression - I'm terrified the newer books will be the same.
Having read the first book I was hoping the characters would have developed more in the second.I was sadly disappointed. fitz must be one of the most boring 'heroes' I have ever come across. I am halfway through the second book and I'm afraid I just can't take anymore of his simpering over Molly, his inability to learn to 'skill' , and a plot which moves slower than a one legged tortoise. Its back to David Gemmell for me. The Farseer trilogy was my first taste of Robin Hobb , and it will probably be my last.
John wrote: "Having read the first book I was hoping the characters would have developed more in the second.I was sadly disappointed. fitz must be one of the most boring 'heroes' I have ever come across. I am h..."
The Farseer trilogy was my first taste of Robin Hobb , and it will probably be my last.
Amen brother,i'll add David Gemmell to my list of authors to read, anything you feel i should start with?
The Farseer trilogy was my first taste of Robin Hobb , and it will probably be my last.
Amen brother,i'll add David Gemmell to my list of authors to read, anything you feel i should start with?
I agree with the sentiments in this review. Hobb is a good writer, and is capable of creating suspense and intrigue but overall I find it very frustrating when the main character doesn't understand what is going on around him when the reader has already figured out. It makes me want to skip ahead, I don't want to read about his utter ineptness, he is the hero. I don't mind humanity in a hero but stupidity is hard to swallow.
The book tries and probably succeeds at a more true life hero and cast in that they are not always correct in their assumptions and world views but it's taken too far.
When the Fool, who is the brightest person in the book, gives young Fitz advice he worries that he is being made to look like a fool. After all that has transpired between Fitz and the Fool he think he is just being mad "fun of"??? Really? He is frustrated he can't find meaning in the riddles. There were times I wanted to reach into the pages and strangle the little bastard right then and there, so much good advice and foretelling gone to waste because he was beyond emotionally inept.
This reviewer is also right in that it's not just Fitz although that was my main problem with the book. The whole castle seems to think doing nothing is a good idea, what the hell is that about?
I've heard it said before that as assassins go Fitz doesn't have a lot of guts? metal? manliness? he is missing something. I would be okay with that if he wasn't such an idiot if he was more cleaver than the average person or a step ahead but he is just a sad character at some points I wish someone would finally kill him. Honestly I don't know how he has hung in there for the first two books?
The book tries and probably succeeds at a more true life hero and cast in that they are not always correct in their assumptions and world views but it's taken too far.
When the Fool, who is the brightest person in the book, gives young Fitz advice he worries that he is being made to look like a fool. After all that has transpired between Fitz and the Fool he think he is just being mad "fun of"??? Really? He is frustrated he can't find meaning in the riddles. There were times I wanted to reach into the pages and strangle the little bastard right then and there, so much good advice and foretelling gone to waste because he was beyond emotionally inept.
This reviewer is also right in that it's not just Fitz although that was my main problem with the book. The whole castle seems to think doing nothing is a good idea, what the hell is that about?
I've heard it said before that as assassins go Fitz doesn't have a lot of guts? metal? manliness? he is missing something. I would be okay with that if he wasn't such an idiot if he was more cleaver than the average person or a step ahead but he is just a sad character at some points I wish someone would finally kill him. Honestly I don't know how he has hung in there for the first two books?
thank you for saving me the time and money that I would have spent listening to the third book on Audible. I could not agree with Andres review more. I kept waiting and waiting for Fitz to "grow a pair" but he just stays stuck. Character development is poorly done and it has left me feeling as though the author has a unusually dark feeling about the world and its possibilities. Frankly, there is not enough upturn in the story to keep me going. Characters are clueless and unreasonably repetitive in their actions. There is a simplistic and childish quality to everyone's denial that Regal is a huge threat to the crown. I look for books to inspire me, not frustrate me.
When i finished your review now i see why i am reading second part 2x slower than first, but as i turned 22, I consider my self still in puberty ,with that in mind, for me FitzChivalry is still a mere teenager trying to find his way...Good things that i keep on reading is that many of his actions are tied to mine but that does not change the fact that comparing to first book, i got many times angry and star talking to my self "FitzChivalry why are you so stupid bro?" "Think before you act please" ...But as far as i am able to immerse into the story its a goodread but i perfectly understand your 1start rating...
I really didn't care for the first book, and after reading this review I will not bother with the second one. In the first book characters and some motivations seemed a bit dumb to me, I was hoping that in the second book this would evolve but aparently is not the case. Thanks for saving me endless pages of dissapointment
I wholeheartedly disagree with your review, but then that is why we have opinions. I see the trilogy more as a young lad going through life uncertain of his identity and not being in a position (due to external circumstances) to pursue the course that could lead him to become his own man. An oath pledged through a naive boy set the path for his whole future. A true sense of honour creates a wall on either side of said path, to keep him on track and heading toward the final destination. Unfinished training and lack of memory from his childhood steeps the whole trilogy in uncertainty, so you can't always guess how he will react. Fitz is the epitome of a ‘generalised’ child - whiney, self-indulgent and egotistical to the extreme.
What you have described as a negative, 'the author manipulates hope to lure the reader in', could very much be seen as a positive. It would appear from the fact that you continued onto books 2 and 3 that this manipulation worked. It lead you to have extremely strong feelings towards a frustrating character, without dismissing the prospect of returning to her works and finishing a linked trilogy. Now, in my mind, if a writer/book were so bad, you would leave it alone once you've finished, if not before.
A writers aim is to make a reader immerse themselves into the world on the page and feel something towards the story and/or character(s)....If you look at your comments again and think about it from another angle, you may see that this trilogy wasn't as bad as your first impression suggests and that the frustration won the day rather than the fact that you polished off 1000+ pages of something you allegedly hate. Then again, you may just still hate it.
Good luck in your future hunt for something more appetizing to your tastes.
What you have described as a negative, 'the author manipulates hope to lure the reader in', could very much be seen as a positive. It would appear from the fact that you continued onto books 2 and 3 that this manipulation worked. It lead you to have extremely strong feelings towards a frustrating character, without dismissing the prospect of returning to her works and finishing a linked trilogy. Now, in my mind, if a writer/book were so bad, you would leave it alone once you've finished, if not before.
A writers aim is to make a reader immerse themselves into the world on the page and feel something towards the story and/or character(s)....If you look at your comments again and think about it from another angle, you may see that this trilogy wasn't as bad as your first impression suggests and that the frustration won the day rather than the fact that you polished off 1000+ pages of something you allegedly hate. Then again, you may just still hate it.
Good luck in your future hunt for something more appetizing to your tastes.
Alec wrote: "I wholeheartedly disagree with your review, but then that is why we have opinions. I see the trilogy more as a young lad going through life uncertain of his identity and not being in a position (du..."
I didn't read Book Three, I thought that was apparent in my review. I sifted through dozens of reviews, both the good and the bad. I gave up on the trilogy after reading the second book.
Also, just because I gave it a 1/5 rating doesn't mean I hate the book. That's too strong a word for it.
I didn't read Book Three, I thought that was apparent in my review. I sifted through dozens of reviews, both the good and the bad. I gave up on the trilogy after reading the second book.
Also, just because I gave it a 1/5 rating doesn't mean I hate the book. That's too strong a word for it.
Alec wrote: "Apologies for the misunderstanding on my part."
Don't worry about it. Like you said, people have different tastes. That's what makes life interesting. =)
Don't worry about it. Like you said, people have different tastes. That's what makes life interesting. =)
I do like how bleak the writing and story is. I'm only about 100 pages into the second book though... and so far I'm not too perturbed by it... although I can't stand Molly, and all the whining about her. I was done with her in the first book, I don't care about Molly. No one cares about Molly.
But if Molly leads to a bleak, depressing ending, then I'll be happy. :)
But if Molly leads to a bleak, depressing ending, then I'll be happy. :)
Not sure I agree but that was a good and well argued review. Try Ship of Magic. Its a multi stranded adventure. Lots of fun.
I'm almost half-way through the book and your review described my feelings perfectly. I'm a pretty easy reader to please, and I usually love any fantasy book, but this book just leaves me bored and regretful. Thanks for saving me some time and money!
I can but agree. I found the first book decent enough, but this... I'm just infuriated by the extent to which *everyone* is is absolutely denial as to the villain. I figured I must we wrong, it can't be that obvious. But yes, it's exactly what I thought. And he gets away with it purely because literally every character who could stop him thinks it would be improper to do so.
Wow. No thanks.
Wow. No thanks.
I hope you can find it to continue to the third book. I had the same feelings when I read this book first time. I was frustrated that after everything Regal did in the mountain, Verity still allowed him to alive and cause even more havoc. I rushed through the book in hope to see Regal killed or just some resolutions for the raiders and just what heck happened to Verity and just why isn't anyone doing anything at all??? The ending offered nothing to ease my frustrations.
However, by the time I got the 3rd book, I think there was a scene when Chade and Fitz finally got to sit down and talk to each other and Chade told Fitz just how reckless & stupid his actions were and I just found myself saying "thank you acknowledging it". The author wasn't trying to dumb down the plot, it's just simply progressing really slowly and you just have to be patient about it. Now that I've finished reading all 3 trilogies and read this book again, I realize just how beautiful it was written. In my frustration to rush through the book to find my answer, I missed out on lots of subtle hints. Keep in mind that the book is written in Fitz's point of view, so something you might find obvious to him might not be the as obvious to other characters. Take Regal for example, to Fitz, he's pure evil, so the way Fitz describe Regal would obviously biased. But for Molly, she wouldn't have been able to understand that, to her, he's just a very charismatic prince to admired her talent of making candles. Then for King Shrewd, Regal is his youngest and only son with queen Desire, the woman he loved deeply, so he's out to spoil him a bit, while being strict to his older sons, whom he would entrust all the responsibilities of the kingdom on. As for Verity, it was mentioned many times he was not as diplomatic as his older brother, he was alway a second, a soldier but not much of a leader. So, while I thought it was a bad idea for him to just venture out find the Elderling by himself, it sounded fitting for someone in his position to do because he was frustrated at all the failures against the raiders, his leadership was being questioned, he's the kind of man who would do things himself and it hurt his pride to have to send someone else to fight his battle for him. That and in addition to him to drawn to the skill. He didn't go on that quest just for the sake of the kingdom, he went on that quest also to satisfy his thirst for the skill. Those are just a few of the many subtle hints I missed out on my first read, now that I've read it again at a slower pace, I'm able to appreciate all those subtle plots such as Fitz' feelings for Molly, it was so beautifully written as it describes feeling of young love, of how they thought they were invincible; then the little arguments they got into as they began to realize the reality of their situation. The horrific battle scenes were both disturbing to think about but was beautifully written at the same time. Instead of glorifying the victories, the focus was on how Fitz felt after having to kill so many people and how no matter which side won the battle, they both suffer many terrible deaths.
Instead of reading the 1 star reviews on the third book, try to actually read it to find out for yourself. I think you might change your mind.
However, by the time I got the 3rd book, I think there was a scene when Chade and Fitz finally got to sit down and talk to each other and Chade told Fitz just how reckless & stupid his actions were and I just found myself saying "thank you acknowledging it". The author wasn't trying to dumb down the plot, it's just simply progressing really slowly and you just have to be patient about it. Now that I've finished reading all 3 trilogies and read this book again, I realize just how beautiful it was written. In my frustration to rush through the book to find my answer, I missed out on lots of subtle hints. Keep in mind that the book is written in Fitz's point of view, so something you might find obvious to him might not be the as obvious to other characters. Take Regal for example, to Fitz, he's pure evil, so the way Fitz describe Regal would obviously biased. But for Molly, she wouldn't have been able to understand that, to her, he's just a very charismatic prince to admired her talent of making candles. Then for King Shrewd, Regal is his youngest and only son with queen Desire, the woman he loved deeply, so he's out to spoil him a bit, while being strict to his older sons, whom he would entrust all the responsibilities of the kingdom on. As for Verity, it was mentioned many times he was not as diplomatic as his older brother, he was alway a second, a soldier but not much of a leader. So, while I thought it was a bad idea for him to just venture out find the Elderling by himself, it sounded fitting for someone in his position to do because he was frustrated at all the failures against the raiders, his leadership was being questioned, he's the kind of man who would do things himself and it hurt his pride to have to send someone else to fight his battle for him. That and in addition to him to drawn to the skill. He didn't go on that quest just for the sake of the kingdom, he went on that quest also to satisfy his thirst for the skill. Those are just a few of the many subtle hints I missed out on my first read, now that I've read it again at a slower pace, I'm able to appreciate all those subtle plots such as Fitz' feelings for Molly, it was so beautifully written as it describes feeling of young love, of how they thought they were invincible; then the little arguments they got into as they began to realize the reality of their situation. The horrific battle scenes were both disturbing to think about but was beautifully written at the same time. Instead of glorifying the victories, the focus was on how Fitz felt after having to kill so many people and how no matter which side won the battle, they both suffer many terrible deaths.
Instead of reading the 1 star reviews on the third book, try to actually read it to find out for yourself. I think you might change your mind.
THIS is what I've been trying to nail down with this book. I loved the first book but the second book just kept going on and on at an annoyingly slow pace with incredibly uninterested characters.
It seems like your dislike for this book is way overly dramatic. I get not liking a book. Not liking it so much that it needs to be removed from your memory though? Stop it.
Shouldn't the third book discussion be taken out since that's potentially spoiler-y for those who've only finished Book II?
Brittany wrote: "Shouldn't the third book discussion be taken out since that's potentially spoiler-y for those who've only finished Book II?"
I spoil no plot points for Book III that I know of (how could I when I haven't read it?). In fact, I barely discuss it at all and reference instead how it was received/reviewed.
I spoil no plot points for Book III that I know of (how could I when I haven't read it?). In fact, I barely discuss it at all and reference instead how it was received/reviewed.
Oh. My. God. You summed up absolutely everything I thought while reading these books, the very same reasons I felt deceived and lured, frustrated, etc etc.
I wanted to do a review of it, but since you made my point better than I, I won't.
I'm just glad to see I wasn't the only one to be utterly disappointed.
I wanted to do a review of it, but since you made my point better than I, I won't.
I'm just glad to see I wasn't the only one to be utterly disappointed.
Totally agree with comments - this book is turgid, long winded and repetitious - I do not understand why she is the darling of the reviewers - the whole trilogy is about 2,500 pages in total - this is twice as long as both War and Peace and Lord of the Rings!
I cannot see myself finishing them or reading any more of her output
I cannot see myself finishing them or reading any more of her output
God I feel so validated. I was getting really sick of this book and wanted to know if it got any better, and here’s my answer. I suppose I’ll finish the trilogy out of principle of nothing else.
I agree with you that everyone is a complete idiot and makes terrible decisions. not one sensible decision seems to be made. I did enjoy the book but I can see why someone would not like it. Why they would not spread word that Verity was still alive to all the court baffles me. It was just done that way to get Regal in power so that in the next book Fitz can take him down. I haven't read the 3rd one yet but i'm debating if i even want to.
Yeah, I found it quite unrealistic that the mc is so obsessed with his promise to the king. He is either brainwashed or a simpleton like some randon stable-boy that could take his place without much effort. Its hard to connect to the mc if he is getting trampled by everyone and that 'I am loyal to my king' excuse stops him from reacting every time.
They kill each other and people gets diposed off as if they were dirt, and the mc has no other wish than to please the older mens expectation in him. He acts like their opinion of him is everything that matters...
Its a good book, but I stuggle to care about the mc... heck, I found the old Stablemaster more interesting.
I hope that the mc's personality gets better and that he grows himself some 'balls' and stop being the dog of everyone.
They kill each other and people gets diposed off as if they were dirt, and the mc has no other wish than to please the older mens expectation in him. He acts like their opinion of him is everything that matters...
Its a good book, but I stuggle to care about the mc... heck, I found the old Stablemaster more interesting.
I hope that the mc's personality gets better and that he grows himself some 'balls' and stop being the dog of everyone.
Uhg I think I will trash it. I got tired of the mc slamming his head into the wall in the first book. Like he repeatedly has the same people attempt to kill him over and over and kept going back for more and acting surprised when they tried again.
Totally agree. This was a DNF for me, and I got off the Robin Hobb train. Letting the bad guy go at the end of book I just screamed of Dues Ex Machina. When this book was just wounded Fitz lying around whining. And I also didn't mind the slow training and naivety of book I; any first book in a trilogy with 'Apprentice' in the title is going to be like that. But yeah, we expect the hero to grow and change.
I came to write a review, and saw that you've already encapsulated my thoughts perfectly.
I battled through to the end, but the no passion in me to read book 3.
I battled through to the end, but the no passion in me to read book 3.
I DNF'd this book when I attempted to read it in 2020. I just couldn't get over how dumb and selfish Fitz was being. He knew that someone was trying to overthrow the king, he even had a solid suspicion of who it was, but instead, he spends all this time trying to sleep with Molly.
Nighteyes was great though.
Nighteyes was great though.