Monica's Reviews > Watership Down
Watership Down
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There is an ongoing discussion on goodreads about whether or not your friends' opinions of books influences your own when writing reviews. Prior to this book, I would have said not really. Possibly because many of my friends have similar tastes in books. With Watership Down, my first instinct was to assail this book. Mock it mercilessly! But in my long list of friends, the question seemed to be "Is it a great book or is it the best book ever!?!" Now this will not be a favorite for me, but it did give me pause about how to evaluate the book. How could my opinion be so far off from many people whose opinions I respect? It should be noted that there were some friends who shared my less than awesome view of the book whose opinions I also respect (maybe even more now…;-)) but there was this nagging feeling that I missed something…
What I liked About it…
I listened to the Audible version narrated by Ralph Cosham. I think he was perfect for this book. I also loved the ecological message. There was a contempt for the destructive nature of mankind in which I found commonality. Also, the author Richard Adams comes off like a kindly old man. I think I would have liked to have known him. And the imagination on him! He made up a story on the fly on a very long road trip for his two daughters. His main rule was that these rabbits did what rabbits do. No super powers. Honestly, the world building here was excellent. With it's a very simple premise and the constraints of keeping the rabbits as rabbits; Adams created an extremely rich and interesting world from essentially fields of grass. Pretty amazing!
The Problem Was…
1. OK, so I'm not the target audience. I'm not a kid and I have no kids. I'm not even around any kids. Children are these alien things that can see and hear things that I no longer can and like weird stuff like Snapchat and Pokeman Go! And they seem to like the anthropomorphized rabbits and maybe a seagull. Whatever, I don't get it.
2. I am a woman of a certain age and I live in Trumplandia. I'm jaded and cynical and my rose colored glasses are blurry and dark and spotted and a little black cloud follows me everywhere I go. Good deeds and intentions come near me to wither and die.
3. Me and books written in the 70s just don't get along. I don't know what's up with that decade but whatever was happening to adults seemed to have affected their creativity. There is an inefficacy in the writing. I blame the decade. Maybe the writers just weren't inspired or energized. Maybe some of the female writers were (to use a rabbit analogy) too busy breaking free from the patriarchal warrens and trying to have a rich fulfilling life of eating grass and making kittens by their choice aka combating extreme sexism and the males too busy fighting senseless wars determining who the biggest, strongest rabbit is and running from the ravages of mankind and controlling female rabbits aka committing it (sexism) . Speaking of which…
4. Extremely sexist book. He wrote this for his little girls! They loved it! NO! NO! NO! It wasn't intentionally sexist. It was accidentally sexist which is worse because at the time he thinks he's telling a rip roaring adventure OMG this was so freaking sexist in the most overt ways and just NO!
Summary
Something bad is going to happen to the warren!
Save yourselves! Bro's before Does
We found a home! Hey there's no women to do the diggin' Bro's don't dig, that's Does work!
Bro's dig but set about finding some Does because bros can't be doing Does work forever! Also too, what about the kitten making! Bros need Does before they goes nutz!
Bros find Does and lots of them in an authoritarian patriarchy (Efrafa)!! Even the animal world is ruled by patriarchy. Why it's inconceivable that it would be any other way? For goodness sakes Adams, would it have been so hard to make the fox or the dog or the cat female? Really?!? Oh yeah, they also found two Does in a hutch on a farm with a dog and cat...
The "Does" of Efrafa are so unhappy that they don't make kittens. Apparently they have a way of "shutting that whole thing down". Jeez, it's as if the GOP got its sex education from Watership Down.
The answer?Steal Rescue the "Does" from Efrafa so they can come dig holes and makes kittens in their warren instead.
Lots of strategy and intrigue and war ensue and the good sexists prevail over the bad sexists primarily with the help of some brothers from other mothers (species--probably also sexist).
Epilogue: Happy warren with lots of kittens! We've met 4 female rabbits (that were given names) one of which died during the journey and launched athousand hundred one no tear(s)
Conclusion This book is a classic!?! I can't even…
3 Stars as a gift to my gr friends that loved it.
In my defense, I didn't hate it...BUT IT IS SOOO FREAKING NOT A FEMALE EMPOWERMENT STORY!!
Danger: Little girls may come away from this tale thinking their role in life is to dig holes, eat grass and make kittens. You have been warned...
What I liked About it…
I listened to the Audible version narrated by Ralph Cosham. I think he was perfect for this book. I also loved the ecological message. There was a contempt for the destructive nature of mankind in which I found commonality. Also, the author Richard Adams comes off like a kindly old man. I think I would have liked to have known him. And the imagination on him! He made up a story on the fly on a very long road trip for his two daughters. His main rule was that these rabbits did what rabbits do. No super powers. Honestly, the world building here was excellent. With it's a very simple premise and the constraints of keeping the rabbits as rabbits; Adams created an extremely rich and interesting world from essentially fields of grass. Pretty amazing!
The Problem Was…
1. OK, so I'm not the target audience. I'm not a kid and I have no kids. I'm not even around any kids. Children are these alien things that can see and hear things that I no longer can and like weird stuff like Snapchat and Pokeman Go! And they seem to like the anthropomorphized rabbits and maybe a seagull. Whatever, I don't get it.
2. I am a woman of a certain age and I live in Trumplandia. I'm jaded and cynical and my rose colored glasses are blurry and dark and spotted and a little black cloud follows me everywhere I go. Good deeds and intentions come near me to wither and die.
3. Me and books written in the 70s just don't get along. I don't know what's up with that decade but whatever was happening to adults seemed to have affected their creativity. There is an inefficacy in the writing. I blame the decade. Maybe the writers just weren't inspired or energized. Maybe some of the female writers were (to use a rabbit analogy) too busy breaking free from the patriarchal warrens and trying to have a rich fulfilling life of eating grass and making kittens by their choice aka combating extreme sexism and the males too busy fighting senseless wars determining who the biggest, strongest rabbit is and running from the ravages of mankind and controlling female rabbits aka committing it (sexism) . Speaking of which…
4. Extremely sexist book. He wrote this for his little girls! They loved it! NO! NO! NO! It wasn't intentionally sexist. It was accidentally sexist which is worse because at the time he thinks he's telling a rip roaring adventure OMG this was so freaking sexist in the most overt ways and just NO!
Summary
Something bad is going to happen to the warren!
Save yourselves! Bro's before Does
We found a home! Hey there's no women to do the diggin' Bro's don't dig, that's Does work!
Bro's dig but set about finding some Does because bros can't be doing Does work forever! Also too, what about the kitten making! Bros need Does before they goes nutz!
Bros find Does and lots of them in an authoritarian patriarchy (Efrafa)!! Even the animal world is ruled by patriarchy. Why it's inconceivable that it would be any other way? For goodness sakes Adams, would it have been so hard to make the fox or the dog or the cat female? Really?!? Oh yeah, they also found two Does in a hutch on a farm with a dog and cat...
The "Does" of Efrafa are so unhappy that they don't make kittens. Apparently they have a way of "shutting that whole thing down". Jeez, it's as if the GOP got its sex education from Watership Down.
The answer?
Lots of strategy and intrigue and war ensue and the good sexists prevail over the bad sexists primarily with the help of some brothers from other mothers (species--probably also sexist).
Epilogue: Happy warren with lots of kittens! We've met 4 female rabbits (that were given names) one of which died during the journey and launched a
"Anyway, what's a doe more or less?" ~ BlackavarWhatever! And they lived happily ever after for at least 5 or 6 litters.
Conclusion This book is a classic!?! I can't even…
3 Stars as a gift to my gr friends that loved it.
In my defense, I didn't hate it...BUT IT IS SOOO FREAKING NOT A FEMALE EMPOWERMENT STORY!!
Danger: Little girls may come away from this tale thinking their role in life is to dig holes, eat grass and make kittens. You have been warned...
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Reading Progress
January 2, 2017
– Shelved
January 2, 2017
– Shelved as:
to-read
January 2, 2017
– Shelved as:
classics
January 2, 2017
– Shelved as:
kindle_scifi_fan
March 17, 2017
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Started Reading
March 17, 2017
– Shelved as:
fantasy
March 17, 2017
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0.0%
"Love how in the introduction the author points out stringently that there is no there there. This is not an allegory or fable or rewrite of a myth, it is simply a fairy tale made up for a long car trip. Readers...always gotta be complicatin'"
March 17, 2017
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15.0%
"Secret life of bunnies with no magical powers etc. Interesting so far, but 13 hours to go???"
March 19, 2017
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22.0%
"Secret life of rabbits continues. Interesting I think Neil Gaiman made an homage to Watership Down when he wrote a Dr Who episode (the doctors wife). This is the second time I've ever heard the word petrichor used in a sentence. Of course if I read more books about nature..."
March 23, 2017
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60.0%
"Blah blah blah rabbits need some does before they goes nutz...
a heartwarming childrens book about rabbits overcoming sexual frustration
{smh} ANIMALS!!"
a heartwarming childrens book about rabbits overcoming sexual frustration
{smh} ANIMALS!!"
March 28, 2017
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Finished Reading
September 30, 2019
– Shelved as:
popular
August 22, 2020
– Shelved as:
audible
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I occasionally chicken out on the rating. I'm comfortable giving books a higher rating if I love them, but not necessarily a very negative one.
That "What's a doe, more or less?" "Whatever!" cracked me up. My internal sfx was of a book hitting the wall.
Carol. wrote: "I occasionally chicken out on the rating. I'm comfortable giving books a higher rating if I love them, but not necessarily a very negative one."
This was a mixed bag. Very creative and in an odd, benevolent dictator sort of way very kind, but... I would have struggled between 2 and 3.
This was a mixed bag. Very creative and in an odd, benevolent dictator sort of way very kind, but... I would have struggled between 2 and 3.
Brina wrote: "I had a problem with that today too!"
It's usually the opposite with me, I usually love a book that everybody hates. ;-)
It's usually the opposite with me, I usually love a book that everybody hates. ;-)
Bruce wrote: "My excuse is that my grandmother read it to me when I was a kid."
Ha! You do not have to defend your honor. Different strokes for different folks. :-)
Ha! You do not have to defend your honor. Different strokes for different folks. :-)
Beth wrote: "That "What's a doe, more or less?" "Whatever!" cracked me up. My internal sfx was of a book hitting the wall."
It was mercifully towards the end, but the book is filled with "damsel in distress" stuff. {sigh}
It was mercifully towards the end, but the book is filled with "damsel in distress" stuff. {sigh}
Fabulous review and loved your points about children and living with the craziness that "Good deeds and intentions come near me to wither and die." Laughing instead of crying with that one.
Jen wrote: "Great review! Now I need to do the dreaded re-read to see just how much my younger self missed. :/"
Thanks Jen, I actually hope you still enjoy it! I'd never read it before so nostalgia never came into play. My youthful self would have had influence on me. ;-)
Thanks Jen, I actually hope you still enjoy it! I'd never read it before so nostalgia never came into play. My youthful self would have had influence on me. ;-)
Christy wrote: "Fabulous review and loved your points about children and living with the craziness that "Good deeds and intentions come near me to wither and die." Laughing instead of crying with that one."
Thanks Christy! Couldn't help it. Had to explain my jaundiced eyeballs. ;-)
Thanks Christy! Couldn't help it. Had to explain my jaundiced eyeballs. ;-)
I haven't read the book (and I'm afraid I won't), but I totally agree with you about that patriarchal point of view in many children's books and of older children literature in general. I won't even get into "grown up" one. Great review, Monica.
Heh, heh, loved your review. I remember reading this as a child, and I think that I was really moved by it. The sexist message completely passed me by. Rose-tinted spectacles are a positive danger in Trumplandia/Brexit Isle. We could end up marrying a frog (or sexist rabbit) thinking he looked like a handsome prince...
Caro wrote: "I haven't read the book (and I'm afraid I won't), but I totally agree with you about that patriarchal point of view in many children's books and of older children literature in general. I won't eve..."
Thanks Caro! Don't fear the book. There's some good stuff in there...
Thanks Caro! Don't fear the book. There's some good stuff in there...
Udeni wrote: "Heh, heh, loved your review. I remember reading this as a child, and I think that I was really moved by it. The sexist message completely passed me by. Rose-tinted spectacles are a positive danger ..."
Lol! Frightening! I was right about the age of his daughters when he wrote this. I probably would have eaten it up back then.
Lol! Frightening! I was right about the age of his daughters when he wrote this. I probably would have eaten it up back then.
Sarah wrote: "Hilarious review! I haven't read that book, and maybe won't ever."
Well the book had some good stuff too. It was just more fun to write about the sexism...
Well the book had some good stuff too. It was just more fun to write about the sexism...
Wendy wrote: "I never made it past the rabbit language !!!!!"
Hey Wendy!! Lol! I would have loved to hear your take on it. Probably not near as cynical as me ;-).
Hey Wendy!! Lol! I would have loved to hear your take on it. Probably not near as cynical as me ;-).
Hank wrote: "I wish I could give two likes to this review!"
Ha! Thanks Hank! Why is it that the books that I have a major problem with are the funnest reviews to write? ;-)
Ha! Thanks Hank! Why is it that the books that I have a major problem with are the funnest reviews to write? ;-)
Yes. To all points. Just...yes. Got to page 127 (forcing myself through the uninsteresting narrative) then started skimming. I liked the rabbit terms in the book and the way its conveyed, but...it just wasnt for me.
Chris wrote: "Yes. To all points. Just...yes. Got to page 127 (forcing myself through the uninsteresting narrative) then started skimming. I liked the rabbit terms in the book and the way its conveyed, but...it ..."
Hi Chris! Thanks for the comments. Yes I can see how it's beloved; but definitely very dated, with unsettling historical/cultural implications.
Hi Chris! Thanks for the comments. Yes I can see how it's beloved; but definitely very dated, with unsettling historical/cultural implications.
Mischenko wrote: "Excellent and thorough review. I love your conclusion! lol ;)"
Thanks Mischenko!! It was a fun one to write for dubious reasons... ;-)
Thanks Mischenko!! It was a fun one to write for dubious reasons... ;-)
I read this as a child and really liked it but didn't love it.
As a woman with no children and one who knows there will never be children I wonder what I would think of it now...
great review!
As a woman with no children and one who knows there will never be children I wonder what I would think of it now...
great review!
You make me laugh and laugh in this review!
I'm so tired of all I keep hearing from Trumplandia, and its seriously sexist behaviour....so thank you for this review.
I'm so tired of all I keep hearing from Trumplandia, and its seriously sexist behaviour....so thank you for this review.
Mel (Epic Reading) wrote: "I read this as a child and really liked it but didn't love it.
As a woman with no children and one who knows there will never be children I wonder what I would think of it now...
great review!"
Thank you Mel!
As a woman with no children and one who knows there will never be children I wonder what I would think of it now...
great review!"
Thank you Mel!
Lata wrote: "You make me laugh and laugh in this review!
I'm so tired of all I keep hearing from Trumplandia, and its seriously sexist behaviour....so thank you for this review."
Ha! lol Thanks Lata!
I'm so tired of all I keep hearing from Trumplandia, and its seriously sexist behaviour....so thank you for this review."
Ha! lol Thanks Lata!
HBalikov wrote: "The best/most complete apology (in its original sense) for a rating I have ever enjoyed, Monica!"
Ha! Thanks H!
Ha! Thanks H!
Zak wrote: "Haha! So funny.."
Heh! Thanks Zak! One of those books that compelled a response from me. It was a fun review to write! ;-)
Heh! Thanks Zak! One of those books that compelled a response from me. It was a fun review to write! ;-)
JennanneJ wrote: "This is absolutely my favorite review of Watership Down. Thank you!"
Thank you JennanneJ!!
Thank you JennanneJ!!
"Little girls may come away from this tale thinking their role in life is to dig holes, eat grass and make kittens."
tsk, I think little girls are able to understand the difference between rabbits and people. are you?
" IT IS SOOO FREAKING NOT A FEMALE EMPOWERMENT STORY!!"
where did it say it would be? does every story have to be a female empowerment story?
tsk, I think little girls are able to understand the difference between rabbits and people. are you?
" IT IS SOOO FREAKING NOT A FEMALE EMPOWERMENT STORY!!"
where did it say it would be? does every story have to be a female empowerment story?
Ursvamp wrote: "tsk, I think little girls are able to understand the difference between rabbits and people. are you?"
Umm Ursvamp, did you know that this is a fictional tale? Do you understand the difference between talking rabbits and real rabbits and people? Are the talking rabbits your goodreads friends because I noticed that you don't seem to have any? No reviews either. Hmmm, well welcome to goodreads and Happy Holidays. You are welcome to write your own reviews and state your opinions on any book you please. I may not agree with your take, but I will not attack you or your review either. I think you can expect that kind of respect from most gr folks. Remember the golden rule "Do unto others..."
Umm Ursvamp, did you know that this is a fictional tale? Do you understand the difference between talking rabbits and real rabbits and people? Are the talking rabbits your goodreads friends because I noticed that you don't seem to have any? No reviews either. Hmmm, well welcome to goodreads and Happy Holidays. You are welcome to write your own reviews and state your opinions on any book you please. I may not agree with your take, but I will not attack you or your review either. I think you can expect that kind of respect from most gr folks. Remember the golden rule "Do unto others..."
so I just joined goodreads, is that a sin?
I am honestly sorry if I bothered you, from your own review you seemed pretty tough and capable to take a critical comment ("I'm jaded and cynical", your words). I believe the comment section is there not just to say "like" (there is a button for that) but to comment on the review. Believe me I did not want to start a fight, especially on these days.
What I really did not understand was your angry take on such a lovely book. Of course this is my own opinion, everybody is entitled to theirs.
I am a man so I know that calling myself a feminist is problematic, but I do have the highest respect for feminist issues and I do hate the contemporary disdain that many men appear to have against women who bring up feminist issues. I believe women are still oppressed (though clearly less than before) in the western world, and that much needs to be done to end this. However, I don't think that every book should be taken to be a story of female empowerment. It seems to me the author of Watership Down wanted to write a fantasy story about rabbits without making them too human, and that is why he kept the "social structure" of rabbits as it is (or as he though it would be). Many "societies" in the animal world are dominated by males, should we pretend this is not true? for the sake of little girls who might not be able to understand the difference?
Again, sorry if I were rude to you, that was not my intent. (And excuse my English, I'm not a native speaker). Best wishes for the new year!
I am honestly sorry if I bothered you, from your own review you seemed pretty tough and capable to take a critical comment ("I'm jaded and cynical", your words). I believe the comment section is there not just to say "like" (there is a button for that) but to comment on the review. Believe me I did not want to start a fight, especially on these days.
What I really did not understand was your angry take on such a lovely book. Of course this is my own opinion, everybody is entitled to theirs.
I am a man so I know that calling myself a feminist is problematic, but I do have the highest respect for feminist issues and I do hate the contemporary disdain that many men appear to have against women who bring up feminist issues. I believe women are still oppressed (though clearly less than before) in the western world, and that much needs to be done to end this. However, I don't think that every book should be taken to be a story of female empowerment. It seems to me the author of Watership Down wanted to write a fantasy story about rabbits without making them too human, and that is why he kept the "social structure" of rabbits as it is (or as he though it would be). Many "societies" in the animal world are dominated by males, should we pretend this is not true? for the sake of little girls who might not be able to understand the difference?
Again, sorry if I were rude to you, that was not my intent. (And excuse my English, I'm not a native speaker). Best wishes for the new year!