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American Gods by Neil Gaiman
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In 2003, I walked away from my childhood religion – a high control (some would say abusive) group with a tiny little worldview and a severe superiority complex.

This was my reality:











I believed with all my being that the things depicted above were real, and were just over the event horizon.

Leaving meant losing almost every friend I had ever made since childhood, it created a rift with my still devout family, and quite possibly saved my life.

Is it any wonder that fiction – alternate realities, fantasy, and mental escape – helped me make that decision, helped me move on, and helped deprogram my cult-think? One fiction supplanted the other, only this time I already knew I was working with stories.

Some of this fiction I had read many times, not understanding why the stories resonated so strongly within me, just knowing that I was compelled to return to those worlds, over and over. Others were stories I read during the time surrounding my breakaway, and shortly thereafter.*

American Gods made me observe and think differently. It gave me a new context for the mythologies I had accepted for most of my life. It was bigger than the story of Shadow, or the girl Sam, or Czernabog. For me, it was about how we allow our Old Gods to define our present worldview, and how we allow our New Gods to steal our awareness. Our mythologies set the boundaries of our culture, and paradoxically, as our culture changes, our gods sacrifice their immortality.

"Religions are, by definition, metaphors, after all: God is a dream, a hope, a woman, an ironist, a father, a city, a house of many rooms, a watchmaker who left his prize chronometer in the desert, someone who loves you--even, perhaps, against all evidence, a celestial being whose only interest is to make sure your football team, army, business, or marriage thrives, prospers, and triumphs over all opposition."


The part of the story that affected me the most profoundly was the story of Hinzelmann and Lakeside. The mixing of good and evil, the blurring of lines, townspeople looking the other way – to such a degree that it never occurs to them to see what is happening right under their noses. Dead men's bones. Deaths of legends. It affected me to my core. During the time I was reading American Gods, it was this which rocked me – I was doing the same thing – choosing and keeping and killing my own Gods, my own mythologies.

It was tremendously painful, made a little easier by having the opportunity to process it within the bounds of somebody else's story.


*The rest of the list:

Dune
Chapterhouse Dune
Fahrenheit 451
Animal Farm
1984
Sandman
Crisis of Conscience
Under the Banner of Heaven
Seductive Poison
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Stacey Thanks. Although I maintain it was more necessity than bravery. :)


Johann Thorsson Great review, and I wish you all the best with your newfound freedom.


S.B. Wright Sounds like I really need to read American Gods. Glad you were able to get away.


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Paul Bryant Great review!


Stacey Thanks folks, for the well-wishes. Sean, you should! It's not for everyone. Seems to be one of those books that is either a real match or a real miss, but it was meaningful to me. :)


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Wow, to embark on a journey, then to discover half way through it that you are the hero, who knows what you can achieve.
Don't stop 'til you get enough.


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Bill I don't know if it has convinced me to read American Gods or not, only because I couldn't finish Neverwhere. Gaiman's writing just doesn't click for me for some reason (although loved what I've read of his Sandman series).
But I very much enjoyed this review. An old friend of mine was recruited by the JW years ago. Long story, but they pulled him in during a very vulnerable time in his life. Thanks for posting those publication pics, very revealing!


Stacey Sorry to hear about your friend, Bill. That's how they got my mother.

The writing in American Gods is quite different from Neverwhere, which started life as a screenplay/miniseries. (Not a very good one either.) I loved Neverwhere as an audiobook, but never did manage to finish reading it. I do love Gaiman's writing though, as a general rule. If you liked Sandman, A.G. might click for you. Personally I think the two works are closer than either of them are to Neverwhere.


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Bill I know a lot of people here loved A.G., so it has been on my radar for some time. I've often thought I should give him a mulligan for Neverwhere and give A.G. a shot.
I probably will...it'll be an impulse thing.

I haven't seen that friend of mine in a long time. We move in totally different circles now. We used to play hockey together, but once he was a member of JW, he was afraid of being seen with us having a beer after games. Eventually, he stopped playing with us.
My opinion have always been, if it gives you peace and fulfills what you need in your life, then more power to you. But I dunno...I just hope he's happy.


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Awesome review, Stacey! Love the pics. Having not read WT literature in a long time, makes them . . . well, creepy. To think it all used to seem so normal. Anyway, I applaud you. Having had the same upbringing, I know what courage it takes to put yourself out there like that.
Cheers!


Stacey Bill, I can assure you that, happy or no, your friend misses you and your hockey/beer times. Sad, really, how a group like that can strip you of your friends.

Nicki :)
Funny how it doesn't really feel like putting myself out there in terms of revealing my story. Now it's kind of like revealing that my first car was a '74 Ford Maverick.


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"Now it's kind of like revealing that my first car was a '74 Ford Maverick."

That's great! I guess I still have a twinge of fear associated with such proclamations. But I guess it's like anything else. The more you do it, the easier it gets.


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Andrés Very good comments. You have just invented the "autobiographical review" genre...
Actually, being educated into an oppressive religion myself, what impresses me is that reading _fiction_ helped you to get out. In my case, it was _non-fiction_ what helped me (philosophy, science, history of religions, etc.).
I never thought that fiction could have those effects. Learning things like this makes me proud of being a goodreads user !


Stacey Thank you. Do I detect a deconversion story of your own?


Andrés Stacey wrote: "Thank you. Do I detect a deconversion story of your own?"

No, I think my conversion story is pretty standard, according to conversations I had with other people (who, by the way, left religion also by reading non-fiction, so your review really impressed me).


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Ian "Marvin" Graye It is a lot easier to leave protestantism than it is to leave catholicism or more rigid versions of christianity or other religions.
Partly because protestantism has already done the hard work of protesting against and moving away from one type of doctrinal rigidity.
It would be interesting to see how many people exit religion for an abyss of non- or anti-belief as opposed to an alternative worldview like humanism or atheism or existentialism.
Whether or not the abyss is temporary.
Fiction and non-fiction can help you to explore and define alternative worldviews.
It means that there is something for you to land on when you jump off the religion ship.
Literature is a source of meaning.
In it, we can find not just words, but the word.
And the word is love [or insert your alternative].


Stacey I don't think one can ever state what type of religion is "easier" to exit. Especially when "protestantism" spreads such a wide umbrella. A group such as my former faith inculcates its adherents with such a fervent belief of absolute rightness, that if you leave, you lose everything and everyone you ever knew. Other groups might just see it as just another form of exploration and self-determination.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Stacey, there is a fascinating distinction between a protestant atheist and a catholic atheist.
Many catholic atheists still feel guilt about their rejection of god and religion.
Their religion wont let go of them totally.
This is similar to what you have said.
Brian, you are a philosopher, you just don't know it yet, apparently.
Atheism looks into the abyss but finds humanity, the same way that you look at a mirror (something away or apart) but see yourself.


Andrés Ian wrote: "It is a lot easier to leave protestantism than it is to leave catholicism or more rigid versions of christianity or other religions.
Partly because protestantism has already done the hard work of p..."


It depends on your environment. In catholic countries people who leave catholicism go straight to atheism. There are extremely few conversions from catholicism to protestantism (or judaism, islam, etc.).
In an environment like in the US religious conversions happen every day, but leaving religion to embrace atheism is less common, I believe.


Stacey "protestant atheist?" "catholic atheist?" It appears you don't understand the concept.


Andrés Well, G. Santayana was a self-defined "catholic atheist"
http://www.spiritualitytoday.org/spir...

I've met some of them during my life. They are atheist but still believe that catholicism is the "best religion ever" and it is their religion of choice in order to organize society, even when they do not believe in God.

I think it was Napoleon who said: "we can live without God, but not without religion" or something like that.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Stacey wrote: ""protestant atheist?" "catholic atheist?" It appears you don't understand the concept."

This is a metaphor for where you came from on your journey to atheism.
I am saying that some versions of religion are so fervent in their sense of rightness and righteousness that you still carry a residue of them when you cease to believe in the package as a whole.
Sometimes you can take the person out of the religion, but you can't take the religion out of the person, well all of it anyway.
If you still don't feel I get it, just say so and I won't make any more comments on your thread.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Xamevou's comments raise some interesting issues.
Many people retain their belief in god, but swap denominations.
Sometimes this reflects their view of the institution of the church or the way it shapes their relationship with their god.
Many people want a more personal and open relationship with their god and move away from traditional churches to find it.
To become an atheist, you need to stop believing in god, at least a monotheist god.
This is a pretty brave decision anywhere, but especially in the US.


Conrad Ian wrote: "What I know of it doesn't offer much comfort. In fact, it seems to be in-your-face about witholding comfort."

That's what I find comforting about it. Existentialism may be a religion for people in love with their own misery.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Brian, this is a good place to start:
http://www.marxists.org/reference/arc...
Thanks to Praj for reminding me about it.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Ha ha, Conrad, existentialism isn't just another word for emo and Morrissey isn't its god.
As Sartre says, existentialism is a humanism.
Humanism is one alternative to theism.
It is as positive as you are.
You need to meet a few happy existentialists.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Brian, I hope you get to read the article - it's less nauseating than you found the book (though I wonder if you finished the book?).
Hopefully, you'll find the article more like Elvis Costello than Joe Jackson.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye xamevou wrote: "Well, G. Santayana was a self-defined "catholic atheist"
http://www.spiritualitytoday.org/spir...


Thanks for the link.
Christopher Hitchens has described himself as a protestant atheist, but I can't find the original comment or context.

I notice that the Urban Dictionary definition of "evangelical atheist" says "see asshole".


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Brian wrote: "it made me a bit sick to my stomach..."

Hopefully I've recommended a good digestif.


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Jen Embracing doubt is the best part about leaving certainty.


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Ok, I didn't read all of the comments, so forgive me if I'm repeating. I have put this book on my reading list, because of your review. My husband and I are facing similar circumstances in that we have lost lots of family and friends from our choices when it comes to modern day religion. It's been a very hard journey and in that I can most definitely sympathize with you. We have recently walked away from our childhood teachings and religion and are now embarking onto our own journey. I feel freedom and foreboding. Goodluck on your way. Thanks for the book.


Stacey Thanks for the comment Michelle, and best of luck to you. It can be scary but worth it. In some ways it's incredibly freeing to be able to say you don't have all the answers.


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I've been an ex-JW for about 15 years now, so seeing those pictures brought back some intense memories. I was about 13 or 14 when my family decided to deprogram and stories like yours make me realize how lucky I am that we had each other to help deal with the gravity of it all. Thank you for an amazing review and for giving me a new perspective on my obsession with escaping into "fantasyland". I'm very much so looking forward to reading this book.


message 34: by Stacey (last edited Feb 07, 2012 09:16AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Stacey Thanks Janice. I can't imagine how people do it alone. Glad you had family around to make it easier.


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Drew I'm a former JW too Stacey, I quit going to meetings around 1998 and haven't looked back.


Stacey Congrats! This year one of my friends (another x-jw) said something about Memorial, and I was very confused because I couldn't think of anyone who died. I think we'd call that WINNING!


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Drew Yeah, my mother is still a JW so I get invited to the memorial every year, lol. I know it breaks her heart but like I've told her, would you rather me be honest and not go or lie and say that I want to go.


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Stacey Same with my folks. Told my dad that my conscience and integrity would no longer allow me to be a part of his religion. I'm pretty sure at this point, it's more difficult for them than for me. After all, I'm reasonably certain I don't have a god who is planning to kill them very soon.


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Drew Yeah, I know what you mean


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Tama wow! what an amazing thread of discussion - very powerful stuff. Thank you, Stacey, for sharing your story. I have not been a fan of Gaiman's writing but the conversation makes me think it is worth revisiting. I, too, have found certain books to be critical to life changing moments, ie The Power of Myth or The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe. I wish u great success as u continue your journey..... and keep writing the brest reviews!


Stacey Oh yeah! The Power of Myth has been on my TBR list for a long time! I need to pull that down and dive in. :)


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M <3

That is all.


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Dean Your pics of that JW trash I believed in for 22 years is shocking! I can't believe I was a trapped follower myself. I'll have to show those violent images to my partner & friends and maybe they'll understand what I left. Thx Stacey!


Stacey You're very welcome, and I know it seems so crazy when we look back, but I still remember how fervently I believed that rubbish.


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Amy Lenord I loved reading your review and I can empathize with you a lot. I was raised in non-denominational church in the 80s when the movement was at its peak. While I am still a believer, I am very cynical about what American Christianity has become. I don't talk about it much to people I know because the topic has a tendency to piss people off in the same way talking about politics does. Some how my faith is called into question when I talk about this to anyone. At any rate, your recommendation has made me more curious about this book than the synapses above. I recently read When She Woke and while I cannot say the writing was profound, the themes and the development of those themes were deeply thought provoking much like the list of books you mentioned. If you should get a chance to read it, I would love to discuss it.

Take Care


Libby Excellent review Stacey. I like what you said about the New Gods stealing our awareness. I enjoy studying other mythologies and religions as a way to cross cultural boundary lines. For me, this is fascinating and a point of connection. I enjoyed Gaiman's AG very much, but had not looked at the town of Lakeside quite as you depicted, but I'm taking a second look. I was not surprised by Hinzelmann. what did surprise me is that Chad Mulligan would have committed suicide because Hinzelmann desired it. Shadow reaches into Chad's head and changes this desire for suicide into having purpose in his life. Shadow reminded Chad that the town would need him, that Margueritte would need him. I liked Chad as a character and didn't want Hinzelmann to have that much power over him, to create in him the desire for suicide. That's how Gaiman describes it. Of course, being a police officer, Chad was a by the book kind of person, and that's the way Gaiman described him, so living with himself after killing Hinzelmann, then covering up the murder might be quite a bit for the kind of person Chad was to deal with in their psyche. I suppose that when we're down and out, all of us could use a little re-minding, and that's what Gaiman portrayed. I just wanted Chad to be able to reach these conclusions without Shadow's help. Again, good review, Stacey. Enjoyed very much.


Stacey Thanks Libby. I never saw this comment... never had a review go to page 2! Ha! Yes, the influence over Chad was interesting to me because of how malleable he was, and how he needed somebody to hand him a purpose and a goal in his life. Reminds me of a LOT of people I knew while growing up - completely dependent upon the cult of personality in order to appear to have their own voice. Hmmm... I think it's time for a re-read of those sections myself. :)


The Crimson Fucker Great review! Kudos! And congrats for getting away from all that! I never thought it possible! It gives me hope! Apparently some CAN be cured!


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Angélica Pérez I too left that religion in 2000...the best decision i have ever made...it took a while but it can b done.


Jayne you are so very courageous!


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