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Wild Seed (Patternmaster, #1)
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I’m not sure what Butler intended readers take away from this novel but I found it demeaning toward women and largely abhorrent.
The story focuses on two “people.” Doro is an evil shade thousands of years old who survives by jumping from body to body, killing the host, and absorbing the new body’s energy to survive until jumping to the next host at few week intervals. He has thus killed some hundred thousand people when this book begins.
His entertainment over the millennia is rounding up people with special abilities—mind reading, healing, telekinesis—and breeding them like animals—stranger to stranger, father to daughter, mother to son, sons to daughters—in Joseph Mengele fashion to create offspring with enhanced abilities to no real purpose other than his amusement, and as food. The more powerful the offspring, the more satisfying when he takes their bodies. None with power enough to challenge Doro are allowed to live. He has no empathy. He rules by fear and the seductiveness of the devil.
Anyanwu is also immortal. Born with the ability to manipulate every cell in her body, she has for hundreds of years been a wife, mother and healer to those around her. Doro finds her and desires to breed her as “wild seed” in his breeding colonies.
And my problems and disgust with this novel begin.
Anyanwu initially welcomes Doro to her bed and follows him hoping to protect her extended family from also becoming breeding stock. When it becomes apparent that nothing will stop Doro, she becomes his willingness accomplice and enabler, giving birth to many children by the various incarnations of Doro himself as well as allowing herself to be prostituted to men of Doro’s choosing to beget their children, even after she is married to Doro’s son, who himself is prostituted to many women to impregnate them. All in furtherance of Doro’s breeding experiments. Like a woman with battered wife syndrome, Ananyu knowingly and willing participates as Doro’s destroys the lives of those around her, taking even some of her own children as hosts.
Late in the book Anyanwu escapes and founds her own colony bringing together people of extraordinary abilities like those sought by Doro, but with the purpose of healing their souls to lead normal lives after being ostracized from society, hunted or tortured. Doro of course eventually finds her and her community. And she takes him back like a lover, abetting him to again destroy everything she’s built.
Butler seeks to paint Anyanwu as a Florence Nightengale figure who comforts the damaged in the face of unspeakable horrors. But she is decidedly not. She enables much of the horror by actively supporting Doro’s experiments, excusing her actions as necessary to enable her to heal some of the victims. She is the accomplice who puts a bandage on your arm before allowing the serial killer to eat you.
Actions she could have taken instead: 1) Leave and never again contribute her “seed” to Doro’s experiments; 2) Marshal those outside of Doro’s colonies to act against him; 3) Kill him; 4) Imprison him where he can’t hurt anyone again.
Which brings me to the gaping plot holes in this novel.
1) With Doro’s ability, he could amass a fortune, and through fear and his apparent seductiveness create armies, conquer nations, and pretty much do anything he wants. And all he wants to do is piddle around with small scale animal husbandry that for a millennia has failed to produce any material results? Not very ambitious for a demon as sadistic as Doro.
2) What is the purpose of his experimentation? NO ONE EVER ASKS! It’s THE most obvious question and NO ONE EVER ASKS!
3) For Doro to pass from one body to the next the story suggests he must be either touching or in very close proximity to the victim. If true, there are countless means one might capture or kill him (drug him, sink his ship at sea, blow his head off when few people are around to jump to, bury him in a hole, a cell, or the ocean where he can’t connect to anyone ever again). No one in the roughly 200 years covered in the novel even tries to counter him. They all just roll over.
Finally, I believe Butler intended Wild Seed to be read as a kind of love story between two entities destined to always feel alone because they can’t die. Butler writes several times that they need each other. I call bullshit on this notion. Anyanwu is never alone. She is a mother figure, always connecting to others and birthing descendants. Over and over she speaks of loving those she surrounds herself with through the generations, and of the joy of seeing them grow and develop….And then shacks up repeatedly with the Mengele serial killer showing that she also revels in victimhood, misery and death.
This is the first book I’ve read where I cringed all the way through. It has no redeeming quality. The content far overshadows for me Butler’s writing which has won many awards. Given the book's better than four star rating on GR others clearly read this book differently. I’ll not be continuing this series nor Do I recommend this book to anyone.
The story focuses on two “people.” Doro is an evil shade thousands of years old who survives by jumping from body to body, killing the host, and absorbing the new body’s energy to survive until jumping to the next host at few week intervals. He has thus killed some hundred thousand people when this book begins.
His entertainment over the millennia is rounding up people with special abilities—mind reading, healing, telekinesis—and breeding them like animals—stranger to stranger, father to daughter, mother to son, sons to daughters—in Joseph Mengele fashion to create offspring with enhanced abilities to no real purpose other than his amusement, and as food. The more powerful the offspring, the more satisfying when he takes their bodies. None with power enough to challenge Doro are allowed to live. He has no empathy. He rules by fear and the seductiveness of the devil.
Anyanwu is also immortal. Born with the ability to manipulate every cell in her body, she has for hundreds of years been a wife, mother and healer to those around her. Doro finds her and desires to breed her as “wild seed” in his breeding colonies.
And my problems and disgust with this novel begin.
Anyanwu initially welcomes Doro to her bed and follows him hoping to protect her extended family from also becoming breeding stock. When it becomes apparent that nothing will stop Doro, she becomes his willingness accomplice and enabler, giving birth to many children by the various incarnations of Doro himself as well as allowing herself to be prostituted to men of Doro’s choosing to beget their children, even after she is married to Doro’s son, who himself is prostituted to many women to impregnate them. All in furtherance of Doro’s breeding experiments. Like a woman with battered wife syndrome, Ananyu knowingly and willing participates as Doro’s destroys the lives of those around her, taking even some of her own children as hosts.
Late in the book Anyanwu escapes and founds her own colony bringing together people of extraordinary abilities like those sought by Doro, but with the purpose of healing their souls to lead normal lives after being ostracized from society, hunted or tortured. Doro of course eventually finds her and her community. And she takes him back like a lover, abetting him to again destroy everything she’s built.
Butler seeks to paint Anyanwu as a Florence Nightengale figure who comforts the damaged in the face of unspeakable horrors. But she is decidedly not. She enables much of the horror by actively supporting Doro’s experiments, excusing her actions as necessary to enable her to heal some of the victims. She is the accomplice who puts a bandage on your arm before allowing the serial killer to eat you.
Actions she could have taken instead: 1) Leave and never again contribute her “seed” to Doro’s experiments; 2) Marshal those outside of Doro’s colonies to act against him; 3) Kill him; 4) Imprison him where he can’t hurt anyone again.
Which brings me to the gaping plot holes in this novel.
1) With Doro’s ability, he could amass a fortune, and through fear and his apparent seductiveness create armies, conquer nations, and pretty much do anything he wants. And all he wants to do is piddle around with small scale animal husbandry that for a millennia has failed to produce any material results? Not very ambitious for a demon as sadistic as Doro.
2) What is the purpose of his experimentation? NO ONE EVER ASKS! It’s THE most obvious question and NO ONE EVER ASKS!
3) For Doro to pass from one body to the next the story suggests he must be either touching or in very close proximity to the victim. If true, there are countless means one might capture or kill him (drug him, sink his ship at sea, blow his head off when few people are around to jump to, bury him in a hole, a cell, or the ocean where he can’t connect to anyone ever again). No one in the roughly 200 years covered in the novel even tries to counter him. They all just roll over.
Finally, I believe Butler intended Wild Seed to be read as a kind of love story between two entities destined to always feel alone because they can’t die. Butler writes several times that they need each other. I call bullshit on this notion. Anyanwu is never alone. She is a mother figure, always connecting to others and birthing descendants. Over and over she speaks of loving those she surrounds herself with through the generations, and of the joy of seeing them grow and develop….And then shacks up repeatedly with the Mengele serial killer showing that she also revels in victimhood, misery and death.
This is the first book I’ve read where I cringed all the way through. It has no redeeming quality. The content far overshadows for me Butler’s writing which has won many awards. Given the book's better than four star rating on GR others clearly read this book differently. I’ll not be continuing this series nor Do I recommend this book to anyone.
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"Doro repeatedly talks of his mission to create evolved humans. Anyanwu does not trust him yet does not ask THE most obvious question: For what purpose? Out of character for her and really bothering me."
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Hmm, fascinating review. I tried a lot more Butler when I was younger and found it often didn't work for me. I think she pushed a lot of boundaries, and much of her work related in one way or another to identity issues in the face of slavery/ownership/domination. I think a lot of it was about being un/willingly co-opted by that what you (ought to) hate, and this sounds like it fits that model perfectly. I venture into her works cautiously. There's another one that has a pedophile type angle. She's not one that I ever read for 'enjoyment' as much as to push the mental/social envelope.
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I so disliked this book I'll not give her another try.
After I read this I came across the Wikipedia entry for the book and was completely dumbfounded by the proposed scholarly interpretations.
"Anyanwu is a highly moral woman..." WTF. She enables a slaver and serial killer throughout.
"Anyanwu's story is also a key contribution to women's literature in that it illustrates how women of color have survived both gender and racial oppression." Anyanwu allows herself to be oppressed by Doro throughout the book and never fights against it. Moreover this isn't a book about race. Doro (the slaver) and Anyanwu (the slave) are both black. Doro enslaves and breeds based solely on ability. Gender and race are not important at all to him.
"Wild Seed as alternative feminist narrative" Nothin remotely feminist about this book given every woman in it is treated like #### and the only woman with any power--Anyanwu--enables the oppression.
"Anyanwu is physically strong enough to fight Doro, but there are times where she does not retaliate against his physical abuse." She never retaliates and in fact takes him back as a lover repeatedly until the end and even then she decides to kill herself vs attack him. Apparently the feminist message is roll with the abuse or kill yourself?
"Doro uses sex to draw women close to him and to create an emotional bond that makes it hard for them to leave." Doro is a slave holder throughout the book whose primary means of control is fear not sex. Women are given the choice of breed or die.
I could go on...
Feels like fake news in service of sucking up to the author's reputation.
After I read this I came across the Wikipedia entry for the book and was completely dumbfounded by the proposed scholarly interpretations.
"Anyanwu is a highly moral woman..." WTF. She enables a slaver and serial killer throughout.
"Anyanwu's story is also a key contribution to women's literature in that it illustrates how women of color have survived both gender and racial oppression." Anyanwu allows herself to be oppressed by Doro throughout the book and never fights against it. Moreover this isn't a book about race. Doro (the slaver) and Anyanwu (the slave) are both black. Doro enslaves and breeds based solely on ability. Gender and race are not important at all to him.
"Wild Seed as alternative feminist narrative" Nothin remotely feminist about this book given every woman in it is treated like #### and the only woman with any power--Anyanwu--enables the oppression.
"Anyanwu is physically strong enough to fight Doro, but there are times where she does not retaliate against his physical abuse." She never retaliates and in fact takes him back as a lover repeatedly until the end and even then she decides to kill herself vs attack him. Apparently the feminist message is roll with the abuse or kill yourself?
"Doro uses sex to draw women close to him and to create an emotional bond that makes it hard for them to leave." Doro is a slave holder throughout the book whose primary means of control is fear not sex. Women are given the choice of breed or die.
I could go on...
Feels like fake news in service of sucking up to the author's reputation.
Yuck. It sounds like they had to work extra hard to get those perspectives in.
One trouble I think I have with her work is that how she presents it with sexuality often is abhorrent for me.
Her book Kindred is more overt and along traditional literary lines. It's quite good.
One trouble I think I have with her work is that how she presents it with sexuality often is abhorrent for me.
Her book Kindred is more overt and along traditional literary lines. It's quite good.
The answer to your question #2 (what’s the purpose of Doro’s experimentation) is covered thoroughly and repeatedly throughout the book. I wonder if emotional reactions to the more superficial plot elements made it difficult to engage with the narrative in general.
Disappointed to engage in a discussion so long after the initial review was left but I do think Stephen maybe was overly anger by some of the main issues and therefor missed some of what drives most readers to love this novel. she did enable to Doro to continue his work often by omission but also many times birthing the offspring of the body he was wearing.
The author was pretty clear on this by explaining though Anyanwu disagreed with the killing he’s was first willing to overlook it out of loneliness because she was so sad by all her children dying. Author is very poignant in this illustration as so many people end up being in horrible relationships because they are afraid to be alone. That type of thinking is sad to see and painful to watch unfold in real life much like it is in this novel. So the reviewer isn’t wrong there. Second reason she enables him later on is out of fear. Which is as strong a motivator as any and not everyone is ready to die for an ideal. If you are good for you you achieved a purpose stronger than most can in a lifetime.
What is missed is that the author isn’t glamorizing and highlighting this story as they ideal one or the partnership we should all strive for. It’s an age old tragedy that is far too common in our world and she sets it in a fantastic new world that is creative exciting and scary.
The fact that this novel frustrates you so much should make you take a bit of reflecting time to find out why... this is not meant to be critical of you in any way but it is so fascinating to see what it is that drives us to abhorrence or adoration. So often it’s something in our past or within ourselves.
Not every story has a hero. Some people are just trying to exist.
The author was pretty clear on this by explaining though Anyanwu disagreed with the killing he’s was first willing to overlook it out of loneliness because she was so sad by all her children dying. Author is very poignant in this illustration as so many people end up being in horrible relationships because they are afraid to be alone. That type of thinking is sad to see and painful to watch unfold in real life much like it is in this novel. So the reviewer isn’t wrong there. Second reason she enables him later on is out of fear. Which is as strong a motivator as any and not everyone is ready to die for an ideal. If you are good for you you achieved a purpose stronger than most can in a lifetime.
What is missed is that the author isn’t glamorizing and highlighting this story as they ideal one or the partnership we should all strive for. It’s an age old tragedy that is far too common in our world and she sets it in a fantastic new world that is creative exciting and scary.
The fact that this novel frustrates you so much should make you take a bit of reflecting time to find out why... this is not meant to be critical of you in any way but it is so fascinating to see what it is that drives us to abhorrence or adoration. So often it’s something in our past or within ourselves.
Not every story has a hero. Some people are just trying to exist.
What I’d find curious to know is why you decided to read this one. What is a random find? Was it recommended by someone. If so. How do you feel about that person? Was it sought out. If so why to challenge a perspective or affirm one. Or maybe just a purest who loves science fiction like myself.
No matter. Please Stephen let’s start a book club. We will call it what you like. Our discussions and recommendations will soon command large sums of endorsement money.
No matter. Please Stephen let’s start a book club. We will call it what you like. Our discussions and recommendations will soon command large sums of endorsement money.
I just finished this book for book club and this is seriously the ONLY REVIEW that mirrors my reaction. I cringed through the whole thing. I was perplexed by why Anyanwu didn't kill Duro, or at least take people and run away. Every time she made a decision all I could think was, "what woman would do this?" The sex scenes are glossed over so quickly, I had to pause and remind myself, no, this is rape. She would not do this willingly. This was like reading Gone Girl, which I skimmed to the end tofind out who killed who, then promptly threw against the wall. Wild Seed left me in a funk for days, and I consider the time spent reading it wasted.
Sorry for the slow response. I just found the latest comments. They never popped in notifications.
Why did I read it? I'd just finished Nnedi Okorafor's Binti which was ok and looked for another example of afro-centric sci-fi. As noted in my bio "I like books that provide a novel perspective, excite my imagination, have emotional weight and/or challenge my view of the world." Binti was culturally different from most western centric sci-fi. I figured The Wild Seed, considered a classic and highly rated on GR. would be another interesting dip in that pond.
Why did I keep reading? I assumed that Anyanwu would if not win at least counter Doro in the end. Horror stories usually end on at least some hopeful note. But no. Doro is evil. Anyanwu more so for willingly enabling to the very end. Most readers (and I think Butler) want to give her a pass because she tried - a little. No. There is no grey area to hide in in my opinion.
Why did I read it? I'd just finished Nnedi Okorafor's Binti which was ok and looked for another example of afro-centric sci-fi. As noted in my bio "I like books that provide a novel perspective, excite my imagination, have emotional weight and/or challenge my view of the world." Binti was culturally different from most western centric sci-fi. I figured The Wild Seed, considered a classic and highly rated on GR. would be another interesting dip in that pond.
Why did I keep reading? I assumed that Anyanwu would if not win at least counter Doro in the end. Horror stories usually end on at least some hopeful note. But no. Doro is evil. Anyanwu more so for willingly enabling to the very end. Most readers (and I think Butler) want to give her a pass because she tried - a little. No. There is no grey area to hide in in my opinion.
Kurtis: "The fact that this novel frustrates you so much should make you take a bit of reflecting time to find out why... this is not meant to be critical of you in any way but it is so fascinating to see what it is that drives us to abhorrence or adoration. So often it’s something in our past or within ourselves."
Respectfully, no. Some things are just wrong. Abject cruelty is wrong. If this were non-fiction seeking to inform of terrible acts with no hero/moral, ok. It's not. Butler creates and wallows in slavery, rape, incest, murder, etc. to no purpose. I ese nothing worthy of recognition or praise in that. The worst story well told is still bad.
Respectfully, no. Some things are just wrong. Abject cruelty is wrong. If this were non-fiction seeking to inform of terrible acts with no hero/moral, ok. It's not. Butler creates and wallows in slavery, rape, incest, murder, etc. to no purpose. I ese nothing worthy of recognition or praise in that. The worst story well told is still bad.
Kurtis: On further reflection - and you did cause me to reflect - I can perhaps best sum up my issue with this book this way:
Pick a demon - slavery, abuse, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc. Tragedy is created when the subject believes (perhaps rightly so) that they lack the mental, emotional, social, financial means to remove themselves and become victim to the demon.
Anyanwu has none of these issues. She acknowledges repeatedly that she knows full well what Doro is doing. She has full power (and she is equally powerful) to stop him or escape. She chooses not to - twice . She then willingly, with full knowledge and power enters the serial killer's house and says to him do to me and others what you will and I'll help. I never sensed fear in her or as motivation. That's not tragedy. Anyanwu is not a victim as you seem to suggest. She creates victims.
Pick a demon - slavery, abuse, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc. Tragedy is created when the subject believes (perhaps rightly so) that they lack the mental, emotional, social, financial means to remove themselves and become victim to the demon.
Anyanwu has none of these issues. She acknowledges repeatedly that she knows full well what Doro is doing. She has full power (and she is equally powerful) to stop him or escape. She chooses not to - twice . She then willingly, with full knowledge and power enters the serial killer's house and says to him do to me and others what you will and I'll help. I never sensed fear in her or as motivation. That's not tragedy. Anyanwu is not a victim as you seem to suggest. She creates victims.
Just crap. A couple of novel ideas but largely a book about murder, rape, incest, and psychopaths. Not uplifting. No stellar writing. Just somebody else’s nightmare!
Doro can’t be killed. Distance is not a factor. He can control who he takes to some extent, but he also has no choice ultimately and when weakened will take whoever is closest to him. Distance is no barrier, the nearest person could be hundreds of miles away.
He can also track people with special abilities so there’s not really any escaping. The only reason Anyanwu avoided him for so long was because he couldn’t track her as an animal.
Just trying to fill in the plot holes for you.
He can also track people with special abilities so there’s not really any escaping. The only reason Anyanwu avoided him for so long was because he couldn’t track her as an animal.
Just trying to fill in the plot holes for you.
Interesting comments. Thanks. RE: "Distance is no barrier, the nearest person could be hundreds of miles away." I don't recall this in the book. All the examples in the book are close proximity.
Re: distance, in the scene in the woods where Doro kills Thomas, the narration explains how Doro could have killed Thomas even as Thomas was running away, because they were alone and remote and there was nobody else nearby to “confuse” Doro. He doesn’t need to be touching them: the reason he touches his victims is so he doesn’t accidentally kill someone else nearby. It focuses his killing.
The goal of his experimentation was to create children that will also be immortal or who will at least be stable in their abilities. But ultimately he doesn’t want to be alone. That’s why he’s so excited to find Anyanwu, and why she is easily seduced by him. Because yes, she is alone: the book is a meditation on immortality, and the double sided coin of power and curse that brings. Sure she has lots of family but imagine how lonely it would be to watch literally everyone die, and you just keep living. That’s why Doro was losing his humanity slowly, because he was completely alone.
Anyway I enjoyed reading your review! I liked the book but I do always love to read opposite views. I get how the content would be weird for some people. Lots of Butler’s work has themes of rape, slavery, breeding, etc. The Xenogenesis series even has creepy alien sex!
The goal of his experimentation was to create children that will also be immortal or who will at least be stable in their abilities. But ultimately he doesn’t want to be alone. That’s why he’s so excited to find Anyanwu, and why she is easily seduced by him. Because yes, she is alone: the book is a meditation on immortality, and the double sided coin of power and curse that brings. Sure she has lots of family but imagine how lonely it would be to watch literally everyone die, and you just keep living. That’s why Doro was losing his humanity slowly, because he was completely alone.
Anyway I enjoyed reading your review! I liked the book but I do always love to read opposite views. I get how the content would be weird for some people. Lots of Butler’s work has themes of rape, slavery, breeding, etc. The Xenogenesis series even has creepy alien sex!
Sophie, thanks for the comments. I read Doro very different. Not as a tragic character losing his humanity, but rather a monster having none to begin with. Doro is a predator from beginning to end. He has no no interest in empathy. No capacity for good.
I also disagree on his experiments. They are done solely for amusement - to see if he can breed powers, but no-one too powerful. We know this because he explicitly states he'll allow no one as or more powerful than himself. He sees Anyanwu as a new more powerful ingredient for his experiments, nothing more.
Happy you found something of value in the book. It remains for me the most despicable book I've ever read.
I also disagree on his experiments. They are done solely for amusement - to see if he can breed powers, but no-one too powerful. We know this because he explicitly states he'll allow no one as or more powerful than himself. He sees Anyanwu as a new more powerful ingredient for his experiments, nothing more.
Happy you found something of value in the book. It remains for me the most despicable book I've ever read.
Sophie wrote: "Because yes, she is alone". Again disagree. Anyanwu surrounds herself with family (her own children and found family) in every age, and while not immortal, she clearly states these bring her joy. She doesn't need Doru. She is in fact the anti-Doru in all her beliefs, which makes her aiding his experiments a betrayal even more repellant than Doru himself.
I just finished the book - how uncoils Anyanwu kill Doro? I agree that she should if she could, but I got the impression that she can’t. What can she do then except try to slightly improve him and try to influence his experiments to become more ethical?
The book explicitly states "distance means nothing" in regards to Doro's body stealing power. Being so frustrated that Anyanwu did not simply kill him, is not a valid criticism of her character since killing him would be impossible, and the attempt would kill her, or anyone else who attempted it.
If Doro was put in a box and dropped in the ocean, even if he did nothing, he would escape. If he never actively killed anyone, his spirit would still transfer into the nearest body when his current body died or experienced significant stress.
He can also track people with his tracking sense. Anyanwu only manages to evade him for so long because he can't track her in her animal forms, just as he cannot take animal bodies himself.
If Doro was put in a box and dropped in the ocean, even if he did nothing, he would escape. If he never actively killed anyone, his spirit would still transfer into the nearest body when his current body died or experienced significant stress.
He can also track people with his tracking sense. Anyanwu only manages to evade him for so long because he can't track her in her animal forms, just as he cannot take animal bodies himself.
The comments have done well to fill the plot holes. I just want to come out and say this is the prequel. The set up to the rest of the patternist series. Which is actually ran and started by Doros first success. Mary. And the time frame. People roll over for doro because he’s a demon to people during and before the transatlantic slave trade. People know they can’t win against god and the devil hisself. Mary DOES challenge him. And vows to find a way to end him once and for all (mind of my mind). It’s actually pretty good. I think Anyanwus thought process is a little more complex. She fears if she doesn’t get down he’ll kill all her children. Which to her, is a lot worse than them living in these homesteads this thing (doro) creates. It’s interesting to me.
Also anyanwu IS alone. Despite all these people she creates she says very clearly in the end of wild seed that even though she hates doro. Hes the only constant she’ll have in her (immortal, all thing fruits of her womb WILL die eventually) life ever. And she has to live with that whether she wants to or not.