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Golden Son (Red Rising Saga, #2)
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I *almost* didn't write a review for Golden Son. It doesn't matter how many reviews I write or how snarky I've been in the past, there is something extremely intimidating about writing a negative review for a book that all my friends loved, that critics praised, and that has an average Goodreads rating of 4.49. I spent some time actually trying to come up with what was wrong with me as a way of explanation.
It must be me, right? I must not have appreciated it right. It must be the wrong time. I must be hormonal. Because I just DO NOT GET IT. In the last week alone, I've had multiple requests from people telling me to continue with this series, calling it "one of the best series ever", and saying Golden Son is so much better than Red Rising.
Is it?
Because I struggle to see the leap between the two. So many reviewers have acknowledged that Darrow was the very definition of a Gary Stu in Red Rising, and yet many are now citing his epic failure at the start of this book as evidence of him shedding the Gary Stu-ness. But I just don't buy it. Even when he fails, he fails like a damn hero with fireworks going off behind his head, rushing back to rescue a damsel in distress in true, self-sacrificing perfection.
Even when he fails, he doesn't fail.
Even when things are awful, he has to deliver a melodramatic, rousing speech.
Darrow is possibly the most self-obsessedcharacter caricature I have ever come across. He loves to hear himself speak - or think, as it may be.
There's a word - arch - that's used in various contexts, but is often used in theatre and acting as an example of how not to act. It refers to delivering lines while mentally side-eying the audience with a visible self-awareness of the part you are playing and what comes next. For example, playing out a dramatic scene with visible knowledge of your next line. Darrow feels like that. I feel like he is reading off a script. Every dramatic speech and inner monologue does not feel like someone making a realistically important speech in the face of death, it feels like a bad actor dramatically wiping his brow, doing a Sally Field lip bite, and launching into his lines.
He's not really scared because duh, he's playing Darrow, he knows he can't fail in the end.
Not only is he an epic drama llama, but he is still the voice of insufferably good and just morality. On one side, he has the Sons of Ares willing to go to extreme terrorist lengths for their cause, and on the other side he has many cold, callous Golds who DNGAF about the lower classes. Many times it feels like Darrow is the only one allowed to care about anything and allowed to be upset about the deaths of innocents.
Even the most interesting character (by far) feels so unnatural and out of place in the story. Everyone is saluting Mustang as this amazing, strong female who completely overwrites the issues the last book introduced (i.e. all female characters are useless and need saving) and yet she does indeed feel like a direct response to readers' concerns. Her most memorable scene is a feminist speech she makes about being super smart and unapologetic and I can't help thinking... Brown is going for the female vote. Because we all know how much he loves to milk that.
And, in a sea of books about civil unrest and divides between ruling/slave classes, I think the only way the Red Rising trilogy stands out is by its heavier use of scientific language and technical descriptions. I don't feel like it does anything different in terms of plot or characters.
I lack the ability to care what will happen going forward. I feel like there is literally nothing I’m reading for… I don’t care how the war ends, I don’t care if Darrow lives or dies, I don’t care about any relationships. There are just no answers I’m seeking from this series. Which is why I won't be reading Morning Star, no matter how many people tell me I should.
Seriously, though, who talks like this (note: this isn't Darrow):
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“I will die. You will die. We will all die and the universe will carry on without care. All that we have is that shout into the wind - how we live. How we go. And how we stand before we fall.”
I *almost* didn't write a review for Golden Son. It doesn't matter how many reviews I write or how snarky I've been in the past, there is something extremely intimidating about writing a negative review for a book that all my friends loved, that critics praised, and that has an average Goodreads rating of 4.49. I spent some time actually trying to come up with what was wrong with me as a way of explanation.
It must be me, right? I must not have appreciated it right. It must be the wrong time. I must be hormonal. Because I just DO NOT GET IT. In the last week alone, I've had multiple requests from people telling me to continue with this series, calling it "one of the best series ever", and saying Golden Son is so much better than Red Rising.
Is it?
Because I struggle to see the leap between the two. So many reviewers have acknowledged that Darrow was the very definition of a Gary Stu in Red Rising, and yet many are now citing his epic failure at the start of this book as evidence of him shedding the Gary Stu-ness. But I just don't buy it. Even when he fails, he fails like a damn hero with fireworks going off behind his head, rushing back to rescue a damsel in distress in true, self-sacrificing perfection.
Even when he fails, he doesn't fail.
Even when things are awful, he has to deliver a melodramatic, rousing speech.
Darrow is possibly the most self-obsessed
There's a word - arch - that's used in various contexts, but is often used in theatre and acting as an example of how not to act. It refers to delivering lines while mentally side-eying the audience with a visible self-awareness of the part you are playing and what comes next. For example, playing out a dramatic scene with visible knowledge of your next line. Darrow feels like that. I feel like he is reading off a script. Every dramatic speech and inner monologue does not feel like someone making a realistically important speech in the face of death, it feels like a bad actor dramatically wiping his brow, doing a Sally Field lip bite, and launching into his lines.
He's not really scared because duh, he's playing Darrow, he knows he can't fail in the end.
Not only is he an epic drama llama, but he is still the voice of insufferably good and just morality. On one side, he has the Sons of Ares willing to go to extreme terrorist lengths for their cause, and on the other side he has many cold, callous Golds who DNGAF about the lower classes. Many times it feels like Darrow is the only one allowed to care about anything and allowed to be upset about the deaths of innocents.
Even the most interesting character (by far) feels so unnatural and out of place in the story. Everyone is saluting Mustang as this amazing, strong female who completely overwrites the issues the last book introduced (i.e. all female characters are useless and need saving) and yet she does indeed feel like a direct response to readers' concerns. Her most memorable scene is a feminist speech she makes about being super smart and unapologetic and I can't help thinking... Brown is going for the female vote. Because we all know how much he loves to milk that.
And, in a sea of books about civil unrest and divides between ruling/slave classes, I think the only way the Red Rising trilogy stands out is by its heavier use of scientific language and technical descriptions. I don't feel like it does anything different in terms of plot or characters.
I lack the ability to care what will happen going forward. I feel like there is literally nothing I’m reading for… I don’t care how the war ends, I don’t care if Darrow lives or dies, I don’t care about any relationships. There are just no answers I’m seeking from this series. Which is why I won't be reading Morning Star, no matter how many people tell me I should.
Seriously, though, who talks like this (note: this isn't Darrow):
“… I was in a dark woods, blind and lost as Dante before Virgil. But Quinn helped me. Her voice calling me out of misery. She became my home. As she puts it, “Home isn’t where you’re from, it’s where you find light when all grows dark.”
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Alienor ✘ French Frowner ✘
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Mar 18, 2016 10:46AM
Oh! I DNFed Red Rising around the 60% mark because I couldn't handle the boredom anymore, but I've been thinking about trying it again. Curious to see what you'll think of this one!
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The last quote - is it from a dialogue line? Because that sure is awkward. Perhaps I'll see lines like those in the thoughts of 19th century's book characters. Also, this review doesn't make me want to give a try to this book. I didn't like RR, and Darrow was my main problem too, so... sigh. Great review. Don't mind the people who will tell you you read this wrong.
Alright. First things first : you are definitely not alone. I think that this book has so many great ratings because people who didn't like Red Rising didn't bother to read this one. In this sea of dystopian novels, Red Rising didn't stand out in my opinion because it was unoriginal and if I'm wiling to be lenient toward those, they must be entertaining for me to be, and it sure wasn't. I can't stand Pierce Brown's writing, because for me, he overwrites and everything feels stiff. Great review, and kudos for trying it :)
Vane wrote: "The last quote - is it from a dialogue line? Because that sure is awkward. Perhaps I'll see lines like those in the thoughts of 19th century's book characters. Also, this review doesn't make me wan..."
Yes, it is. I said in my review of Wink Poppy Midnight that I don't mind pretty writing, but I always think it sounds bizarre when the author makes the characters actually talk that way o_O
Yes, it is. I said in my review of Wink Poppy Midnight that I don't mind pretty writing, but I always think it sounds bizarre when the author makes the characters actually talk that way o_O
Alienor ✘ French Frowner ✘ (of badger and SNAKE) wrote: "Alright. First things first : you are definitely not alone. I think that this book has so many great ratings because people who didn't like Red Rising didn't bother to read this one. In this sea of..."
Thank you :) At a closer inspection, I'm also finding that many readers who didn't like this book just abandoned it without rating. Maybe they also felt intimidated by all the positive reviews.
Thank you :) At a closer inspection, I'm also finding that many readers who didn't like this book just abandoned it without rating. Maybe they also felt intimidated by all the positive reviews.
Good. I couldn't get into Red Rising and now I know I am not missing anything in any further books in the series. Sometimes people are just reading a different book than you are despite it being the same.
Emily May wrote: "Alienor ✘ French Frowner ✘ (of badger and SNAKE) wrote: "Alright. First things first : you are definitely not alone. I think that this book has so many great ratings because people who didn't like ..."
Yeah, it happens a lot with much-loved books. I know that I always spend some time thinking that I must have read it wrong, somehow, when all my friends loved a book and I didn't (like The Girl of Fire and Thorns). It's easy to second-check ourselves in these cases.
Yeah, it happens a lot with much-loved books. I know that I always spend some time thinking that I must have read it wrong, somehow, when all my friends loved a book and I didn't (like The Girl of Fire and Thorns). It's easy to second-check ourselves in these cases.
I honestly felt the same but read the entire trilogy. I was left pretty angry by some events in the last book, which was strange as usually I don't get angry about books in that way. I feel exactly the same way about Darrow. Don't read the last book, it will only make you furious. Have a glass of wine instead.
The way Darrow is written out does make him like a self obsessed hero. Thank God I have no interest in reading the series.
I find sequels tend to get higher reviews, because the people that read them were the ones that read and liked the first book. People who didn't like it wouldn't continue to read the their books in the series.
Neocarleen wrote: "I find sequels tend to get higher reviews, because the people that read them were the ones that read and liked the first book. People who didn't like it wouldn't continue to read the their books in..."
This is definitely true, but even the first book has an average rating of 4.22 and 81% of the ratings are 4 or 5 stars O.O Considering that almost twice as many people have rated that book, compared to the second, it's quite astonishingly high.
This is definitely true, but even the first book has an average rating of 4.22 and 81% of the ratings are 4 or 5 stars O.O Considering that almost twice as many people have rated that book, compared to the second, it's quite astonishingly high.
I'm usually pretty open to trying any series that's achieved this height of popularity, but I honestly have zero interest in this one. I kinda feel like a lot of the readers only like these books because they're in love with Pierce Brown (eye roll). Also, thanks for sharing that video, I got quite the laugh out of that!
THANK YOU for this review. I DNF Red Rising at around 10 %. It sounded like something I would love but immediately didn't care about, and now I know I won't give it another try. I thought I was the only one who didn't like this series
I hated the first book. I had to force myself to finish. I thought Darrow was one of the worst characters ever, because he is the most cookie cutter hero ever. Everything goes right for him, even when things are going wrong. I work in a bookstore, and the promotion for this book is through the roof. Luckily, we are allowed to actually voice an opinion and I don't have to pretend to like them. The book does not flow, the plot drags, and the characters are beyond one dimensional and flat, while at the same everything is over described and unnecessarily verbose. I do give you mad props for actually reading the second book, not only because now I don't have to, but because you were willing to give the series a second chance that I do not think it deserves
No, we are out there in droves. (those who couldn't finish) and yes, people told me to keep reading. But I didn't get it either. I like the premise, the characters...LIKE doesn't get me to read fat bottom books though lol
Truly well writ. I wasn't impressed with the first two books either but finished the series to see if there's a salving point. There isn't and Brown seemed to be just milking it even more. He did get what he wanted though, so...I just feel sad for the mass encouragement given to this kind of melodramatic indulgent writing.
I loved the series yet still agree with everything you said about Darrow. He's really not a great lead and I think the books work in spite of him rather than because of him. He doesn't get any more tolerable in Morning Star either...actually he gets quite a bit worse.
Great review!! I haven't read these yet, but I plan to when I have some extra reading time (at least the first one) I always find it really hard to write reviews for books that I didn't like - especially ones that my friends love and/or got really good reviews. Thanks for your thoughts - as always :)
Kai wrote: "But you already own Morning Star as a hardback. I saw it in your videos on your bookshelf."
Yeah, I got it from the publisher, which was another reason I wanted to try again. Still, I have no desire to read it.
Yeah, I got it from the publisher, which was another reason I wanted to try again. Still, I have no desire to read it.
I'm currently reading Red Rising. Enjoyed the first hundred pages or so. Now I'm struggling to get through it at 200 pages. It's like once he leaves the mines the tension and emotion evaporate from the story. I have a copy of Golden Son, debating that one. Started the series after watching several interviews of Pierce Brown, liking what he had to say. Really hope this book picks up before page 300.
I agree with Chris. Loved the series, but can definitely agree with all your points and if you don't like Darrow in the first two books, you will hate him in the last one. He's far, far worse in Morning Star.
Amazing review, as always!
Amazing review, as always!
I think I mentioned this in the past, but I feel that what happens to you is happening to me too.
We've read SO MANY books that are either YA or similar that BY NOW all of them seem the same, cliché, etc. It's not that the books are bad (most of the time) but that we can't stop comparing them with all we've read in the past. Deep inside, our mind is tired of this genres and is begging for something different. I would like to suggest you read some books that you wouldn't normally try. Maybe some thrillers or classics.
We've read SO MANY books that are either YA or similar that BY NOW all of them seem the same, cliché, etc. It's not that the books are bad (most of the time) but that we can't stop comparing them with all we've read in the past. Deep inside, our mind is tired of this genres and is begging for something different. I would like to suggest you read some books that you wouldn't normally try. Maybe some thrillers or classics.
Nathalia wrote: "I think I mentioned this in the past, but I feel that what happens to you is happening to me too.
We've read SO MANY books that are either YA or similar that BY NOW all of them seem the same, clich..."
I just don't think this is true for me. I also read a lot of other genres - thrillers, adult contemporary and recently non-fiction - so I think I get a good balance. And I still find many YA gems. Occasionally, I agree that some books might have been better if they didn't seem like carbon copies of others, but that honestly is not my problem with the Red Rising trilogy. My issues here, as stated above, are with the writing style and the protagonist.
We've read SO MANY books that are either YA or similar that BY NOW all of them seem the same, clich..."
I just don't think this is true for me. I also read a lot of other genres - thrillers, adult contemporary and recently non-fiction - so I think I get a good balance. And I still find many YA gems. Occasionally, I agree that some books might have been better if they didn't seem like carbon copies of others, but that honestly is not my problem with the Red Rising trilogy. My issues here, as stated above, are with the writing style and the protagonist.
I agree with this 100%. I managed to get through Red Rising okay, but in the first few pages of Golden Son, I remembered all over again how pompous Darrow really is. While he's on the bridge of some ship, he's staring moodily into the distance and going into a Hamlet-worthy soliloquy. I couldn't take him seriously.
I know everyone has their own opinions, and I know this series is flawed and borrows a lot, but I enjoyed this series immensely and I would definitely recommend Morning Star, not just because it's the end of the trilogy, but also because it really is a lot more satisfying than the first two.
I loved these but they're sort of right up my alley. I'm glad to see criticism and expressed so well!
Not everyone is going to like the same books or see eye-to-eye on ever matter. So don't be afraid to give an honest opinion (even if it's not a popular opinion).
I admire you trying the second book in the series. I couldn't even finish Red Rising. Awful. You are definitely not alone.
If you don't like Brown's writing style, you probably wouldn't like Morning Star either, but I thought it was so much better than this one.
Thank you. I, too, just cannot understand why this series gets so much praise. Darrow is comically capable to the point that the books almost read like something by John Ringo. Actually, that's exactly what they read like, just with more family/house intrigue.
And yet at the same time Darrow is so incredibly stupid for someone who's past being a teenager that I get repeatedly pulled out of the story. Betrayed by a supposed friend? Let's do it again! Oh that didn't work out a second time? No problem, let's try yet again! Come on.
And yet at the same time Darrow is so incredibly stupid for someone who's past being a teenager that I get repeatedly pulled out of the story. Betrayed by a supposed friend? Let's do it again! Oh that didn't work out a second time? No problem, let's try yet again! Come on.
you know, I can definitely get a lot of these points. the ONLY one I will argue is the very last quote, because, to be fair, that line is said by Roque the poet. who's whole defining trait is his flowery language.
but otherwise, I can def see the issues with the book
but otherwise, I can def see the issues with the book
Opinions. Everyone has got them. Its so rare when I get a series I can get swept away Into, and this was one. Loved the series but if you like being negatively critical about protagonist becoming a hero of the age, then yeah its not for you.
Exactly. Everyone's got opinions. The Red Rising trilogy is the best book series I've ever read. And that's almost impossible - for someone who's read so much to just choose one. But it is. I've never read anything like it. I just. . .connected with all the characters. I guess you're entitled to your own opinion though. Seems like you don't appreciate sci-fi.
Gigi wrote: "Exactly. Everyone's got opinions. The Red Rising trilogy is the best book series I've ever read. And that's almost impossible - for someone who's read so much to just choose one. But it is. I've ne..."
It's sad that you were polite until your last sentence. As you said, everyone has and is entitled to their own opinion. This is not a great example of sci-fi, in my opinion. But I can point you to many sci-fi books that I think are fantastic.
It's sad that you were polite until your last sentence. As you said, everyone has and is entitled to their own opinion. This is not a great example of sci-fi, in my opinion. But I can point you to many sci-fi books that I think are fantastic.
Meg Ann wrote: "I have to point out that this self-proclaimed snarky reviewer has rated Buffy the Vampire Slayer books ahead of Golden Son, so I am not sure that she could point you or anyone to many sci-fi books ..."
LOL. It's so funny when angry book fans can't appreciate different tastes and opinions. And did you really just go hunting through my shelves to find something to comment on? That's too good :)
LOL. It's so funny when angry book fans can't appreciate different tastes and opinions. And did you really just go hunting through my shelves to find something to comment on? That's too good :)
Meg Ann wrote: "Hunting, no. It took one second to find your sci-fi shelf. (Instructions: At the top of your review, there is a small link directly under your rating that takes anyone right to your sci-fi shelf. S..."
After your comments here, I was really curious to read your review of Golden Son, given that you seem to have a lot of opinions about it. How crushed I was that you didn't write one. Perhaps - what do I know - you should start writing reviews to express your opinions and not come on other people reviews to write angry messages. Maybe, just maybe, you could then open a polite and respectful conversation with people who agree with you, given that you don't seem to be able to do just that with people who don't.
After your comments here, I was really curious to read your review of Golden Son, given that you seem to have a lot of opinions about it. How crushed I was that you didn't write one. Perhaps - what do I know - you should start writing reviews to express your opinions and not come on other people reviews to write angry messages. Maybe, just maybe, you could then open a polite and respectful conversation with people who agree with you, given that you don't seem to be able to do just that with people who don't.