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The Lie Tree
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Dec 31, 2014
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Read 2 times. Last read October 14, 2022 to October 16, 2022.
Frances Hardinge is one of my most treasured literary finds of the past few years. She is one of those writers that make me want to happily give the shout-outs to their books from the rooftops and endlessly blab about them to anyone who would listen. They have it all - the spark, the snark, the depth, the skill and everything else that makes me smile happily when I go to reread them for the third time in a year.
Her books may be inexplicably classified under an umbrella of 'children's literature', but they have managed to keep me enthralled and in all honesty are no more solely children's books than any of the classics with the sub-adult characters (think your Huck Finn, Holden Caulfield and Scout Finch, for instance).
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And when Faith Sunderly is angry, the fireworks fly.
I hope someday my future hypothetical daughter can quote the cheeky answer of Faith Sunderly when faced with a life choice:
My reviews of other books by Frances Hardinge:
A Face Like Glass
Gullstruck Island
Verdigris Deep
Deeplight
2022: Reread with Nastya (who really is not enjoying it) and Stephen (who probably will not be as enthusiastic as me about it). But hey, I had an excuse to revisit it, and I still love it dearly, so there’s that :)
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Also posted on my blog.
Her books may be inexplicably classified under an umbrella of 'children's literature', but they have managed to keep me enthralled and in all honesty are no more solely children's books than any of the classics with the sub-adult characters (think your Huck Finn, Holden Caulfield and Scout Finch, for instance).
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"I want to be a bad example."'The Lie Tree' is a fascinating book. It is a quite dark and exceedingly clever mystery set on the murky edge between history and fantasy in the post-Darwin's Origin of the Species 19th century straight-laced Victorian England, touching upon the question of women's role in society, gender roles and expectations, the selective opportunities and blatant disregard and discrimination so absurd as to seem almost fantastical and yet so painfully historically real and true, and the conflict between the new ideas of evolution and the established societal faith-based paradigms which left many feeling that the ground had been yanked from under their feet.
“I have lived long enough to see the death of wonders. Like many others, I have dedicated my life to investigating the marvels and mysteries of Creation, the better to understand the designs of our Maker. Instead, our discoveries have brought us doubt and darkness. Within our lifetime, we have seen Heaven’s lamp smashed and our sacred place in the world snatched from us. We have been dethroned and flung down among the beasts.And, of course, the nature, allure and perils of lying. The danger and necessity of some lies. The rewards and the consequences of them. The easiness and the speed with which they find a life of their own.
We thought ourselves kings of the ages. Now we find that all our civilization has been nothing but a brief, brightly lit nursery, where we have played with paper crowns and wooden sceptres. Beyond the door are the dark wastes where Leviathans wrestled for millennia. We are a blink of an eye, a joke amidst a tragedy.”
“Choose a lie that others wish to believe, her father had written.”--------------
“Myrtle had once explained to Faith that there was a right way to give an order to a servant. You phrased it as a question to be polite. Will you fetch the tea? Could you please speak with Cook? But instead of your voice pitch going up at the end, you let it droop downward, to show that it was not really a question, and they were not expected to say no.Faith Sunderly is fourteen, "clumsily rocking between childhood and adulthood", occupying that uncertain place in a young girl's life when she is no longer a child but not yet a woman, constantly relegated between the perceived silliness of a child and presumed inferiority as a female. A priest's daughter, Faith is an aspiring natural scientist in a world that traps her by the artificial limitation that Victorian society places on women.
It occurred to Faith that that was the way her mother talked to her.”
“Faith was full of questions, coiling and writhing like the snake in the crate.”Faith wants it all and nothing unreasonable - the opportunities that are denied to her because of her gender, the recognition of her sharp and clever mind, her father's love and respect - but runs into a brick wall of societal expectations and standards that require her to be a "good girl", obedient, quiet and invisible. As her own much adored father brutally tells her in a moment of anger:
“There was a hunger in her, and girls were not supposed to be hungry. They were supposed to nibble sparingly when at table, and their minds were supposed to be satisfied with a slim diet too. A few stale lessons from tired governesses, dull walks, unthinking pastimes. But it was not enough. All knowledge – any knowledge – called to Faith, and there was a delicious, poisonous pleasure in stealing it unseen.”
“She had always known that she was rated less than Howard, the treasured son. Now, however, she knew that she was ranked somewhere below ‘miscellaneous cuttings’.”
“Listen, Faith. A girl cannot be brave, or clever, or skilled as a boy can. If she is not good, she is nothing. Do you understand?"And Faith can't help but become angry. Very angry. Angry at the word that insists on putting obstacles in her path and reducing her to a mere pretty ornament. Angry at other women who seem to be so adept at fulfilling their expected societal roles (oh Faith, if you only knew...). Angry at all the thwarted attempts to make a difference, make a mark on this world. Angry at the unknown killers that took her father's life and threaten to destroy her family's normal existence.
And when Faith Sunderly is angry, the fireworks fly.
“People were animals, and animals were nothing but teeth. You bit first, and you bit often. That was the only way to survive.”Had Hardinge been a lesser writer, this could have been a lovely story about a young girl trying to ascertain her place in the hostile world. Or a great mystery story. Or a sharp commentary on the clash of societal values, the intersection of old and new, the faith and science, the progressive and the repressive 'traditionalist' viewpoints. It could have been any of those. But Hardinge is amazing, and this book is all of the above, faultlessly and sharply created, full of nuances and greyness of adulthood replacing the comfortable black-and-white world of childhood and adolescence. It is about not only growing into your own not always nice and good self but also about learning to see the things in yourself and others that go against what is comfortable to think and assume.
“She did not feel hot or helpless any more. She felt the way snakes looked when they moved.”
"It could be kindness. Faith felt hollow at the thought. She had needed kindness before, and had received none. Now it was too late, and she did not know what to do with it.”It is about understanding the ways you are shaped by your world despite trying so hard not to be. And yet about understanding not only who you are really are but who you want - and need - to be.
“There was a creeping sensation under Faith’s skin. Just for a moment she wished that she could shed herself like a snake’s skin, and slide away to be somebody new.”
“This was the hardest part. It was easier to be the witch, the harpy. Being human was dangerous.”
“Who had they been, all these mothers and sisters and wives? What were they now? Moons, blank and faceless, gleaming with borrowed light, each spinning loyally around a bigger sphere.Hardinge weaves such a fascinating story that I've read it twice in a space of three weeks, and it hasn't lost its allure with familiarity. The second read made it even better, and that's not such a frequent occurrence. The wonderfully sharply developed characters, the atmospheric setting of the island of Vane that made me feel that I was there near the cliffs and caves and the sea, the natural dialogue and the utmost feeling of satisfaction at the perhaps best answer to the never-ending questions of 'what will you be when you grow up?'
‘Invisible,’ said Faith under her breath. Women and girls were so often unseen, forgotten, afterthoughts. Faith herself had used it to good effect, hiding in plain sight and living a double life. But she had been blinded by exactly the same invisibility-of-the-mind, and was only just realizing it.”
“Faith had always told herself that she was not like other ladies. But neither, it seemed, were other ladies.”
I hope someday my future hypothetical daughter can quote the cheeky answer of Faith Sunderly when faced with a life choice:
"I want to be a bad example."5 stars.
My reviews of other books by Frances Hardinge:
A Face Like Glass
Gullstruck Island
Verdigris Deep
Deeplight
2022: Reread with Nastya (who really is not enjoying it) and Stephen (who probably will not be as enthusiastic as me about it). But hey, I had an excuse to revisit it, and I still love it dearly, so there’s that :)
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“Who had they been, all these mothers and sisters and wives? What were they now? Moons, blank and faceless, gleaming with borrowed light, each spinning loyally around a bigger sphere.
‘Invisible,’ said Faith under her breath. Women and girls were so often unseen, forgotten, afterthoughts. Faith herself had used it to good effect, hiding in plain sight and living a double life. But she had been blinded by exactly the same invisibility-of-the-mind, and was only just realizing it.”
― The Lie Tree
‘Invisible,’ said Faith under her breath. Women and girls were so often unseen, forgotten, afterthoughts. Faith herself had used it to good effect, hiding in plain sight and living a double life. But she had been blinded by exactly the same invisibility-of-the-mind, and was only just realizing it.”
― The Lie Tree
“People were animals, and animals were nothing but teeth. You bit first, and you bit often. That was the only way to survive.”
― The Lie Tree
― The Lie Tree
Reading Progress
December 31, 2014
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August 23, 2015
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October 14, 2022
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October 16, 2022
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"“People were animals, and animals were nothing but teeth. You bit first, and you bit often. That was the only way to survive.”"
October 16, 2022
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More people should read Hardinge. She is amazing.
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Norain wrote: "More people should read Hardinge. She is amazing."
Agreed. She is a really good writer, much better than most out there.
Agreed. She is a really good writer, much better than most out there.
Thanks, Ladiibbug and Ellie! You should defentely read Hardinge. She's relatively underappreciated but is an excellent writer.
I appreciate the great review. I wasn't even aware of this book, though I'm a big fan of Hardinge. My favorite book of hers is Fly Trap. In fact, it's one of my favorite books--period.
Is Fly Trap even better than Fly by Night? I just read Fly by Night last week and that was good enough.
Norain wrote: "Is Fly Trap even better than Fly by Night? I just read Fly by Night last week and that was good enough."
I think Fly Trap is better than Fly by Night. I recommend it wholeheartedly!
I think Fly Trap is better than Fly by Night. I recommend it wholeheartedly!
Right now, you are goals. I read your review about divergent and saw sheldon cooper, I almost cried. Thank you.
I like your brilliant reviews. Hardinge's words are so enlightening. They are inspirations for girls to embark on the journey for self introspection and uniqueness.
Nataliya, I cannot refrain myself from reading this review again and again.Brilliant, absolutely brilliant! I cannot get a hardcover here as you do but your review , Faith's story as well these quotes from Hardinge nearly brought me to tears.Deeply captivated, engrossed, thrilled , stunned and amazed by the story! I don't deem myself a sentimental person, but perhaps I can feel the story the way you do to some extent. There must be some reason for Hardinge to name her “Faith”. Thank you! Great review.
This is an outstanding review. Hardinge's book is just so crammed with ideas and brilliant writing, and your synopsis is so well-done that I really don't think I can be bothered to write my own! One additional point, though: I particularly enjoyed Faith's gradual realisation that she has underestimated (or not properly even noticed) so many of the women around her. Even as she is invisible to others, she comes to realise that she made that same mistake of overlooking and underestimating her female counterparts and rivals.
Oh I completely agree with you. I'm only on my first book but she stands out among authors for the quality of her writing. And I've no idea why she's considered a young person's novelist. Quite a find!
For me, this was a book filled with adventure and a dark, intoxicating mystery. The first half of the book wasn't nearly as gripping as the final half, but once I got there I just couldn't put the story down. Faith is a headstrong, determined girl, and her curiosity is so intense it can only be quenched if she solves the mystery herself. I thoroughly enjoyed the latter half of the book, through the process of Faith unraveling the mystery of the murder and how she found out the culprit.
This was my first Hardinge and now, after a few, I would call it a mediocre Hardinge story vs. say Cuckoo's Song or the story of Caverna. This story went well with Liar, a satire I'd read a little earlier about the life of a lie. That book also explored the life force generated by a nice fat lie.
PyranopterinMo wrote: "This was my first Hardinge and now, after a few, I would call it a mediocre Hardinge story vs. say Cuckoo's Song or the story of Caverna. This story went well with Liar, a satire I'd read a little ..."
I liked it more than Cuckoo Song, but on the other hand I only read Cuckoo Song once, and did a few rereads of this one. Maybe I’ll revisit Cuckoo one of these days.
I liked it more than Cuckoo Song, but on the other hand I only read Cuckoo Song once, and did a few rereads of this one. Maybe I’ll revisit Cuckoo one of these days.
The only thing wrong with Cuckoo's Song is that's it may be too scary. It's definitely nightmare grade not just run of the mill goosebumps. Is it suitable for kids?
PyranopterinMo wrote: "The only thing wrong with Cuckoo's Song is that's it may be too scary. It's definitely nightmare grade not just run of the mill goosebumps. Is it suitable for kids?"
I think it’s definitely suitable for kids. Kids are tough and can take a bit of suspense, especially when it comes with such a well-written story.
I think it’s definitely suitable for kids. Kids are tough and can take a bit of suspense, especially when it comes with such a well-written story.
I think the beauty of books that it's all in imagination. That's why the child will be as scared as her imagination will allow it. The same goes with non descriptive sexy times. When child reads them, they just go over his head. I remember being scared by movies and even by very scary illustration of Baba Yaga in my book of Russian Fairytales. But never by text too much. And I was the child who read Omen and Exorcist when I wasn't even 10 years old!
nastyako wrote: "And I was the child who read Omen and Exorcist when I wasn't even 10 years old!"
I read The Omen when I was eight. I didn’t sleep for 2 nights straight in terror.
I read The Omen when I was eight. I didn’t sleep for 2 nights straight in terror.
Jennifer wrote: "Glad it held up on the reread! I loved this one best out of all Hardinge's books."
This is tied with Cuckoo Song for me. I just love Faith and her story.
This is tied with Cuckoo Song for me. I just love Faith and her story.
I don't know if I would enjoy the book anywhere near as much as you, but I certainly enjoyed reading your review, and marveling at how it good an example it is of what a Goodreads review should be - not a summary of the book, but an expression of what you liked about it and how it made you feel. Anybody can summarize a book, but your reviews are special. Thank you for that.
Marty wrote: "I don't know if I would enjoy the book anywhere near as much as you, but I certainly enjoyed reading your review, and marveling at how it good an example it is of what a Goodreads review should be ..."
Thanks, Marty! And thank you for reading my ramblings. Sometimes I wonder if they are too long and therefore make people’s eyes glaze over — so I’m very grateful for the words of praise.
Thanks, Marty! And thank you for reading my ramblings. Sometimes I wonder if they are too long and therefore make people’s eyes glaze over — so I’m very grateful for the words of praise.
Oh, I enjoyed reading your review so much. I've had Hardinge on my radar for quite a while, thank you for this extra nudge :)
Oh, you reread this.
I remember that I came to be introduced to Hardinge through reading your review of Verdigris Deep. So far, there isn't any of her works that I don't love.
Do you happen to have a favourite? Mine is A Face Like Glasses.
I remember that I came to be introduced to Hardinge through reading your review of Verdigris Deep. So far, there isn't any of her works that I don't love.
Do you happen to have a favourite? Mine is A Face Like Glasses.
Alexandra wrote: "Oh, I enjoyed reading your review so much. I've had Hardinge on my radar for quite a while, thank you for this extra nudge :)"
Thanks, Alexandra! I really like this author - obviously - and I hope you’ll click with her as well.
Thanks, Alexandra! I really like this author - obviously - and I hope you’ll click with her as well.
Norain wrote: "Oh, you reread this.
I remember that I came to be introduced to Hardinge through reading your review of Verdigris Deep. So far, there isn't any of her works that I don't love.
Do you happen to ha..."
I’m glad I helped you find Hardinge, Norain! I love all her books (so far no duds for me, which is wonderful), but my favorites are probably this one and Cuckoo Song.
I remember that I came to be introduced to Hardinge through reading your review of Verdigris Deep. So far, there isn't any of her works that I don't love.
Do you happen to ha..."
I’m glad I helped you find Hardinge, Norain! I love all her books (so far no duds for me, which is wonderful), but my favorites are probably this one and Cuckoo Song.
Whitney Erwin wrote: "So glad this was 5 stars for you! Great review,"
Thanks, Whitney! I loved it when I first read it, and now again I was mesmerized by it. Something about the way Hardinge writes just works perfectly for me. Like Terry Pratchett, she is *my* writer.
Thanks, Whitney! I loved it when I first read it, and now again I was mesmerized by it. Something about the way Hardinge writes just works perfectly for me. Like Terry Pratchett, she is *my* writer.
Frances Hardinge is a genius. I have no idea why everyone isn't reading her books and talking about her constantly!
Never even heard about this author, but your enthusiasm is contagious. Is this a good book to start with?
Hardinge seems not to be well known even among British YA's. I won't name the authors who I'm told are really great and worth reading when I hear from YA's on Discord, but it's the same ones over and over. Well Harry and Jason are the protagonists. I read them some Zelazny and VanderMeer, which they liked, but Hardinge is a bit slower developing a story and harder to follow.
Lailah wrote: "Frances Hardinge is a genius. I have no idea why everyone isn't reading her books and talking about her constantly!"
I agree wholeheartedly. She should be a household name.
I agree wholeheartedly. She should be a household name.
Erika wrote: "Never even heard about this author, but your enthusiasm is contagious. Is this a good book to start with?"
I think it is, and also Cuckoo Song and A Face Like Glass are excellent.
I think it is, and also Cuckoo Song and A Face Like Glass are excellent.
PyranopterinMo wrote: "Hardinge seems not to be well known even among British YA's. I won't name the authors who I'm told are really great and worth reading when I hear from YA's on Discord, but it's the same ones over a..."
Hardinge does require concentration and willingness to put up with a bit of a slow burn. And she doesn’t fit into the neat YA formula, which probably costs her some readership.
Hardinge does require concentration and willingness to put up with a bit of a slow burn. And she doesn’t fit into the neat YA formula, which probably costs her some readership.
Erika wrote: "Never even heard about this author, but your enthusiasm is contagious. Is this a good book to start with?"
My first, and still favorite, book of hers is The Lost Conspiracy (also published as Gullstruck Island). I do hesitate to recommend it to kids because it's pretty complicated, but what a story she weaves!
My first, and still favorite, book of hers is The Lost Conspiracy (also published as Gullstruck Island). I do hesitate to recommend it to kids because it's pretty complicated, but what a story she weaves!
Lailah wrote: "Erika wrote: "Never even heard about this author, but your enthusiasm is contagious. Is this a good book to start with?"
My first, and still favorite, book of hers is The Lost Conspiracy (also pub..."
I really liked Gullstruck Island (I do like her UK titles much more than their US version, btw). It wouldn’t be very good for young kids, but teens and up — it’s perfect.
My first, and still favorite, book of hers is The Lost Conspiracy (also pub..."
I really liked Gullstruck Island (I do like her UK titles much more than their US version, btw). It wouldn’t be very good for young kids, but teens and up — it’s perfect.
Jonathan wrote: "Oh wow! Are you and Nastya still speaking?? 😂"
After a few intense counseling sessions we can make it work, I guess :)
After a few intense counseling sessions we can make it work, I guess :)