Interview of David L. George, Ph.D

La Salle University La Salle University Digital Commons All Oral Histories Oral Histories Spring 2015 Interview of David L. George, Ph.D. David L. George Ph.D. La Salle University, [email protected] Bradford J. Morith La Salle University, [email protected] Follow this and additional works at: http://digitalcommons.lasalle.edu/histdeptohall Part of the Economic History Commons, Higher Education Commons, Oral History Commons, Political Economy Commons, Social History Commons, and the United States History Commons Recommended Citation George, David L. Ph.D. and Morith, Bradford J., "Interview of David L. George, Ph.D." (2015). All Oral Histories. 78. http://digitalcommons.lasalle.edu/histdeptohall/78 This Interview is brought to you for free and open access by the Oral Histories at La Salle University Digital Commons. It has been accepted for inclusion in All Oral Histories by an authorized administrator of La Salle University Digital Commons. For more information, please contact [email protected]. La Salle University La Salle University Digital Commons All Oral Histories Oral Histories Spring 2015 Interview of David L. George, Ph.D. David L. George Ph.D. L a Salle University, [email protected] Bradford J. Morith L a Salle University, [email protected] Follow this and additional works at: h ttp://digitalcommon s.lasalle.edu/h istdeptoh all Cr Part of the Economic History Com m on s, Higher Education Com m on s, Oral History Com m on s, Political Econ omy Com m on s, Social History Com m on s, and the United States History Commons Recommended Citation George, David L. Ph.D. and Morith, Bradford J., "Interview of David L. George, Ph.D." (2015). A ll Oral Histories. Paper 78. http://digitalcommons.lasalle.edu/h istdeptoh all/78 This Interview is brought to you for free and open access by the Oral Histories at La Salle University Digital Commons. It has been accepted for inclusion in All Oral Histories by an authorized administrator of La Salle University Digital Commons. For more information, please contact goldman @lasalle.edu. 1 Field Notes Interviewee: David L. Ge o r ge , Ph .D. Interviewer: Br ad f o r d Jam e s M o r it h Interview Dates: M ar ch 15 & 22, 2 0 1 5 (Tw o Se ssio n s, Bo t h M id d ay ) Interview Location: Co n f e r e n ce Ro o m 3 08 , St u d e n t U n io n , La Salle U n iv e r sit y , Ph ilad e lp h ia, Pe n n sy lv an ia Field n o t e s w r it t e n o n M ar ch 31 an d A p r il 1, 2 01 5 The Interviewee: Dr . David L. Ge o r ge is cu r r e n t ly p r o f e sso r e m e r it u s o f e co n o m ics at La Salle U n iv e r sit y , h av in g b e gu n t e ach in g at La Salle in 1 97 9 . Dr. Ge o r ge h o ld s a B.A. f r o m t h e U n iv e r sit y o f M ich igan , a M .A. f r o m t h e U n iv e r sit y o f Pe n n sy lv an ia, an d a M .A. an d Ph .D. f r o m Te m p le U n iv e r sit y . He h as p u b lish e d a p p r o x im a t e ly t h ir t y sch o la r ly ar t icle s, t w e n t y b o o k r e v iew s, an d t w o b o o k s d u r in g Preference Pollution: How Markets Create the Desires We Dislike Rhetoric of the Right: Language Change and the Spread of the Market (Ro u t le d ge Pr ess, 2 0 1 2 ). His p r im ar y f o ci o f r e se ar ch h is car e e r . His f ir st b o o k is (U n iv e r sit y o f M ich igan Pr ess, 2 0 0 4 ), an d h is se co n d b o o k is in clu d e m e t a-p r e f e r e n ce s in t h e f r e e m ar k e t an d e co n o m ics r h e t o r ic. Dr . Ge o r ge h as b een a lo n gt im e m e m b e r o f t h e A sso ciat io n f o r So cial Eco n o m ics (A SE), in clu d in g b e in g t h is a sso cia t io n ' s p r e sid e n t in 2 0 0 5 . Dr. Ge o r ge w as also h o n o r e d b y t h is a sso ciat io n in 2 0 1 1 w h e n h e w o n t h e p r e st igio u s Th o m a s F. Divin e A w ar d , an an n u al aw ar d t h at r e co gn ize s A SE m e m b e r s w h o m ake sign if ica n t co n t r ib u t io n s t o so cial e co n o m ics. Dr. Ge o r ge cu r r e n t ly se r v e s o n t h e e d it o r ial b o ar d o f Review of Social Economy an d Journal of Socio-Economics. A t La Salle U n iv e r sit y , Dr. Ge o r ge w as an e n gage d m e m b e r o f t h e f acu lt y se n at e , an d he w o n t h e D ist in gu ish e d Fa cu lt y Sch o lar sh ip A w ar d in 2 0 1 2 . Dr. Ge o r ge w as b o r n in D e t r o it , M ich igan , in 1 9 4 7 , w h e r e he w as also r aise d . To d a y , he live s in M e lr o se Par k, Pe n n sy lv an ia, an d h as t w o ad u lt ch ild r e n . His h o b b ies in clu d e classical m u sic an d Ru ssian st u d ie s. The Interviewer: I, Br ad f o r d Ja m e s M o r it h , w as b o r n in 1 9 7 5 , an d I gr e w up in Pr in ce t o n Ju n ct io n , N e w Je r se y , an d Ya r d le y , Pe n n sy lv an ia. M y f am ily , o n t h e m at e r n al sid e, is also n at ive t o t h e D e law ar e V a lle y an d n o r t h e ast e r n M ar y lan d , go in g b ack t o Pe n n sy lv an ia Co lo n y . I am a gr ad u at e o f M ar lb o r o Co lle ge (2 0 0 4 ), w it h a b ach e lo r o f ar t s in m u sic an d a m in o r in Ge r m an . Fo r m y b a ch e lo r ' s d e gr e e , I w r o t e a se n io r t h e sis o n t h e classical st y le o f H ay d n , M o zar t , an d Be e t h o v e n in co n t e x t o f t h e Eu r o p e an En ligh t e n m e n t . I h ave a m a st e r 's d e gr e e in se co n d a r y e d u ca t io n , as w e ll, h av in g r e ce ive d t h is d e gr e e f r o m Sp r in gf ie ld Co lle ge in 2 0 0 7 . I t a u gh t , an d t u t o r e d , so cial st u d ie s f o r o v e r f ive y e ar s, an d I w o r k e d b r ie f ly as a n o n -p r o f it e x e cu t iv e , as w ell. 2 Cu r r e n t ly , I am a m a st e r 's d e gr e e in h ist o r y can d id a t e at La Salle U n iv e r sit y , an d I r e sid e in Ph ilad e lp h ia. Background: I le ar n e d o f Dr . David Ge o r ge as a p o t e n t ial in t e r vie w e e f r o m m y o r al h ist o r y p r o f e sso r , Dr. Bar b ar a A lle n , w h e n sh e e m aile d m e o n Ja n u a r y 21, 2 0 1 5 . I co n t act e d Dr . David Ge o r ge t o in v it e h im t o in t e r v ie w o n Ja n u a r y 29, 2 0 1 5 , o u t lin in g t h e ge n e r al p u r p o se an d t im e co m m it m e n t o f t h e se in t e r vie w se ssio n s, an d he e m aile d m e o n Fe b r u ar y 2, 2 0 1 5 , t o af f ir m t h e in t e r v ie w . A f t e r sev e r al m o r e e m ail co n t act s, w e agr e e d t o m e e t o n Fr id ay , Fe b r u ar y 20, 2 0 1 5 , t o go o v e r t h e f u n d a m e n t a ls o f t h e in t e r v ie w . I also u sed t h is m e e t in g t o lear n m o r e a b o u t Dr . Ge o r ge t o ga t h e r r e se ar ch o n w h ich t o p r e m ise m y in t e r vie w q u e st io n s. He w as in t e r e st e d in le ar n in g m o r e a b o u t m e, an d I w as h ap p y t o sh ar e a b o u t m y lif e, as w ell, t o h elp b u ild r ap p o r t an d co m f o r t b e f o r e t h e in t e r v ie w . A t t h e Fe b r u a r y 2 0 th p r e -in t e r v ie w m e e t in g, t h e r e w e r e a n u m b e r o f in f o r m a t io n a l an d lo gist ical it e m s I w ish e d t o go o v e r w it h Dr. Ge o r ge , so I cr e at e d an o u t lin e sh e e t w it h all t h e p o in t s I w ish e d t o co n v e y . Th e p o in t s o n t h e o u t lin e in clu d e d t h e in t e r v ie w ' s p u r p o se f o r t h e La Salle D igit al Co m m o n s, t h e co p y r igh t d e ed o f gif t f o r m , t h e p r e -in t e r v ie w r e se ar ch I w as d o in g, p e r m issio n f r o m Dr. Ge o r ge f o r m e t o co n d u ct in f o r m at io n al in t e r vie w s w it h co lle a gu e s, t h e life h ist o r y f o cu s o f t h e in t e r v ie w , an y t o p ics v e r b o t e n f r o m t h e in t e r v ie w , m y in t e r v ie w in g st yle, su gge st io n s f o r a n sw e r in g m y q u e st io n s, an d t h e se t t in g o f t im e / p lace f o r t w o in t e r vie w se ssio n s in M ar ch 2 0 1 5 . W e se t t h e in t e r vie w se ssio n s f o r Su n d ay s, M ar ch 15 & 22, 2 0 1 5 , an d I su b se q u e n t ly r eser ve d t h e lo cat io n s f o r t h e in t e r vie w s w it h La Salle St u d e n t A f f air s, se cu r in g a St u d e n t U n io n co n f e r e n ce r o o m f o r t h r e e -h o u r slo t s o n t h e se d ay s. Th e co n f e r e n ce r o o m s ar e ge n e r a lly q u iet o n Su n d ay s, an d t h e y ar e e a sy t o set up lo gist ically f o r in t e r vie w se ssio n s. Fin ally , d u r in g t h is p r e -in t e r v ie w se ssio n , I le ar n e d f r o m Dr. Ge o r ge h is D e t r o it o r igin s, h is lo ve o f classical m u sic, h is u p co m in g t r ip t o Ru ssia, an d h is o v e r co m in g b r ain su r ge r y in t h e e ar ly 1 9 9 0 s. All o f t h e se t o p ics b e cam e b ase s f o r in t e r vie w q u e st io n s d u r in g t h e r e co r d e d in t e r v iew . I w as n o t su r e if he w ish e d t o d iscu ss h is b r ain su r ge r y in t h e in t e r v ie w , so I co n t act e d h im on M ar ch 6, 2 0 1 5 , t o ask h is p e r m issio n t o d o so . St ar t in g b e f o r e Fe b r u ar y 20, 2 0 1 5 , an d co n t in u in g t o M ar ch 6, 2 0 1 5 , I co n d u ct e d m u ch b ack gr o u n d r e se ar ch o f Dr . Ge o r ge , in clu d in g e m ail co r r e sp o n d e n ce r e gar d in g Dr. Ge o r ge w it h an a d m in ist r a t iv e assist a n t in t h e e co n o m ics d e p ar t m e n t , Sist e r Be t t y M cDo n ald , in o r d e r t o lear n m o r e a b o u t Dr . Ge o r ge . I also e m aile d Dr . David Ro b iso n , e co n o m ics d e p a r t m e n t ch air , t o in q u ir e ab o u t Dr . Ge o r ge , an d w e m et o n Tu e sd a y , Fe b r u a r y 24, 2 0 1 5 , f o r ab o u t f if t e e n m in u t e s f o r m e t o lear n m o r e a b o u t Dr. Ge o r ge . Dr. Ro b iso n is a lo n g-t im e co lle agu e o f Dr . Ge o r ge in t h e e co n o m ics d e p a r t m e n t , an d he r elat ed t o m e in v alu ab le in f o r m at io n ab o u t Dr. Ge o r ge ' s 3 sign at u r e class t au gh t at La Salle , as w ell as in f o r m at io n o n h is t e ach in g st y le. Dr. Ro b iso n also t o ld m e o f a p ast st u d e n t w h o w as p o sit iv e ly an d st r o n gly in f lu e n ce d b y Dr. Ge o r ge , an d he e xp lain e d t o m e Dr. G e o r ge ' s cu r r e n t in t e r e st s in e co n o m ics. M u ch in f o r m at io n f r o m m e e t in g w it h Dr. Ro b iso n w as u sed in f o r m in g t h e in t e r vie w q u e st io n s, an d t h is in f o r m at io n led t o so m e o f t h e st r o n ge st r e sp o n se s d u r in g t h e r e co r d e d in t e r vie w w it h Dr . Ge o r ge . A lso , d u r in g t h is t im e in lat e Fe b r u a r y an d e a r ly M ar ch , I r e se ar ch e d r e le v an t p ar t s o f Dr. Jo h n Ro ssi' s b o o k, Living the Promise, w h ich is o n La Salle U n iv e r sit y ' s h ist o r y. I f o cu se d o n t h e 1 9 7 0 s t o t h e p r e se n t an d u sed m u ch in f o r m at io n in t h is b o o k t o f o r m m y in t e r v ie w q u e st io n s, m o st n o t ab ly o n q u e st io n s r e lat in g t o t h e le gacies o f p r e sid e n t s, t h e sh if t f r o m co lle ge t o u n iv e r sit y , an d t h e e co n o m ic e x ige n cie s o f t h e 1 99 0 s. I also r e se ar ch e d t h e in t r o d u ct io n s an d a ck n o w le d gm e n t se ct io n s o f Dr. G e o r ge ' s t w o b o o ks, Preference Pollution: How Markets Create the Desires We Dislike A N D Rhetoric of the Right: Language Change and the Spread of the Market. I lear n e d m o r e ab o u t Dr . G e o r ge ' s p r im ar y r e se ar ch f o ci, b u t m o st im p o r t an t ly , I lear n e d f an t ast ic b io gr ap h ical in f o r m at io n a b o u t Dr. Ge o r ge in t h e a ck n o w le d gm e n t se ct io n s, in clu d in g t h e in f lu e n ce o f f a m ily m e m b e r s, p r o f e sso r s at o t h e r in st it u t io n s, La Salle p r o f e sso r s, an d La Salle st u d e n t s. In clu d e d in t h e a ck n o w le d gm e n t se ct io n s w e r e d e t aile d acco u n t s an d a n e cd o t e s r e gar d in g t h o se w h o in f lu e n ce d Dr. Ge o r ge m o st st r o n gly, an d t h is in f o r m at io n h elp ed m e t o cr e at e st r o n ge r an d m o r e t ar ge t e d q u e st io n s f o r t h e in t e r v iew . I also r e se ar ch e d o n lin e , as w ell, gle a n in g in f o r m at io n f r o m Go o gle se a r ch e s an d f in d in g in f o r m at io n r e gar d in g Dr. G e o r ge ' s p r o f e ssio n al h ist o r y f r o m t h e w e b sit e s o f sch o lar ly so cie t ie s an d o f La Salle U n iv e r sit y p u b licat io n s. La Salle D igit al Co m m o n s also p r o v id e d st r o n g in f o r m at io n f r o m p ast n e w sle t t e r s r e gar d in g Dr. G e o r ge ' s sch o la r ly p u b licat io n s, cam p u s lect u r e s, an d in v o lv e m e n t in t h e f acu lt y se n at e . I co n t act e d Dr. Ge o r ge o n M ar ch 6, 2 0 1 5 , t o ask if he h ad an y scr ap b o o k s o r p h o t o alb u m s he w ish e d t o len d t o m e in o r d e r t o se r ve as a r e se ar ch t o o l f o r d r af t in g in t e r v ie w q u e st io n s. He agr e e d o v e r t h e su b se q u e n t w e e k , an d he ga v e m e a scr a p b o o k o f p r o f e ssio n al co r r e sp o n d e n ce f r o m t h e 1 9 8 0 s t o t h e p r e se n t , giv in g m e t h is scr a p b o o k at t h e f ir st in t e r vie w se ssio n o n M ar ch 15, 2 0 1 5 , f o r u se in t h e 2 nd in t e r v ie w se ssio n . Th e scr a p b o o k o f co r r e sp o n d e n ce p r o v id e d st r o n g m at e r ial f o r in t e r vie w q u e st io n s, in clu d in g p r o f e ssio n al co r r e sp o n d e n ce f r o m Jo h n Ke n n e t h Galb r ait h . Dr . Ge o r ge an d I m et f o r o n e f in al p r e -in t e r v ie w se ssio n o n Th u r sd a y , M ar ch 12, 2 0 1 5 , t o go o v e r an y f in al q u e st io n s, co m m e n t s, o r co n ce r n s. Th e r e w e r e no m ajo r co n ce r n s, an d w e w er e all set f o r t h e f ir st in t e r vie w se ssio n o n Su n d ay , M ar ch 15, 2 0 1 5 . He w as excit e d a b o u t t h e in t e r v ie w an d v isib ly lo o k in g f o r w ar d t o it . I f e lt co n f id e n t in m y in t e r v ie w r e se ar ch an d p r e p a r a t io n , t h e f ir st set o f in t e r vie w q u e st io n s b e in g d r af t e d o n t h at M ar ch 12. Th e in t e r vie w q u e st io n s w e r e d ivid e d t o p ica lly in t o se ct io n s r e ga r d in g gr o w in g up in D e t r o it , st u d e n t y e ar s at u n iv e r sit y , an d La Salle U n iv e r sit y se ct io n s d ivid e d b y t h e t e n u r e o f each p r e sid e n t . M y p r o f e sso r , Dr. Bar b ar a A lle n , r e view e d m y in t e r v ie w q u e st io n s, an d sh e f e lt t h e y w e r e so lid . 4 Description of the Interview: Dr . Ge o r ge an d I m et at n o o n o n Su n d ay , M ar ch 15, 2 0 1 5 , t o b egin t h e f ir st in t e r v ie w se ssio n . W e m et in f r o n t o f t h e St ar b u ck s r e st a u r an t in t h e La Salle St u d e n t U n io n . I b o u gh t h im a b o t t led w a t e r f o r t h e in t e r v ie w , an d I am glad I d id so . D u r in g t h e co u r se o f t h e f ir st se ssio n , w h ich last ed a p p r o xim a t e ly t w o h o u r s, h e d r an k f r o m t h is b o t t le o f w a t e r q u it e f r e q u e n t ly . W e w e r e b o t h a n x io u s an d e xcit e d a b o u t t h e in t e r v iew , an d w e w e n t t o o u r r eser ve d co n f e r e n ce r o o m o n t h e t h ir d f lo o r o f t h e st u d e n t u n io n . I co n f igu r e d t h e r o o m f o r in t e r vie w j u st b e f o r e w e m et , se t t in g a t ab le an d ch air s n e ar an e le ct r ic so ck e t f o r m y iPh o n e , w h ich w as u sed as o n e o f t h e r e co r d e r s. A t t h is p o in t , Dr . Ge o r ge d iscu sse d h is b in d e r o f p r o f e ssio n al co r r e sp o n d e n ce an d sh o w e d m e le t t e r s f r o m p r o f e sso r s at o t h e r u n iv e r sit ie s w h o r e v ie w e d h is sch o lar ly w o r k . Dr. Ge o r ge gave m e t h is b in d e r , an d it b e cam e a st r o n g r e se ar ch t o o l f o r in t e r v ie w q u e st io n s f o r t h e M ar ch 22, 2 0 1 5 , se ssio n . Fo r t h e 2 nd se ssio n , I b ased a n u m b e r o f q u e st io n s o n co r r e sp o n d e n ce in t h is b in d e r , in clu d in g p r o f e ssio n al co r r e sp o n d e n ce f r o m n o t e w o r t h y sch o lar s su ch as Ro b er t H e ilb r o n e r an d Jo h n Ke n n e t h Galb r ait h . Be f o r e t h e in t e r v ie w , I gave Dr. Ge o r ge a co p y o f t h e n ar r at o r d e ed o f gif t f o r m , an d he d e cid e d t o sign it a f t e r t h e in t e r v ie w se ssio n . I t h e n p r o ce e d e d t o d o b r ie f so u n d ch e ck s o n m y t w o r e co r d in g d e v ice s, an iPh o n e 5c an d an O ly m p u s d igit al r e co r d e r . W e b o t h sp o k e b r ief ly, an d b o t h d e v ice s w e r e w o r k in g p r o p e r ly. I r e co r d e d o n t w o d e v ice s f o r sak e o f r e d u n d an cy . Th e in t e r v ie w t h e n p r o ce e d e d , an d I b e gan t h e se ssio n w it h a b r ie f in t r o d u ct io n t o id e n t if y us an d t o st at e o u r p u r p o se . He t h e n p e r m it t e d m e t o r eco r d h im , an d I b e gan t h e se ssio n w it h q u e st io n s r e lat in g t o h is b ir t h n ar r at ive . Th e in t e r vie w se ssio n last e d a p p r o xim a t e ly t w o h o u r s an d f iv e m in u t e s, w it h o n e f iv e -m in u t e b r e ak a p p r o xim a t e ly o n e h o u r an d f iv e m in u t e s in t o t h e se ssio n . His v o ice w as a u d ib ly h o ar se at t h is p o in t , an d he d r an k m u ch w at e r . W e t h en p r o ce e d e d t o co n t in u e w it h p ar t t w o o f se ssio n o n e, an d p ar t t w o last ed sligh t ly less t h an o n e hour. Dr . Ge o r ge w as e n t h u siast ic d u r in g t h e in t e r v ie w , an d he r elat ed m u ch in v alu ab le in f o r m at io n a b o u t h is lif e h ist o r y an d La Salle U n iv e r sit y h ist o r y. I se n se d he w as t ir in g n e ar t h e en d o f t h e se ssio n , an d I save d r e m a in in g q u e st io n s f r o m m y q u e st io n n air e f o r t h e n ext se ssio n . Th e b ack gr o u n d r e se ar ch I co n d u ct e d f o r t h is se ssio n w as v e r y im p o r t an t t o h elp e licit t h e st r o n ge st r e sp o n se s p o ssib le f r o m Dr . Ge o r ge , an d I u sed a q u e st io n n a ir e t h at w as d iv id e d se q u e n t ia lly b y ch ild h o o d , st u d y at u n iv e r sit y , an d o n e se ct io n e ach f o r each La Salle U n iv e r sit y p r e sid e n t . To n o t e w h e n a q u e st io n w as ask e d , o r w h e n Dr. Ge o r ge an sw e r e d t h e q u e st io n w it h o u t p r o m p t in g, I m ar k e d w it h h igh ligh t e r n e xt t o t h e q u e st io n t o sign al it s co m p le t io n . 5 A f t e r t h e f ir st se ssio n , t h e q u e st io n s st ill lef t t o e xp lo r e w e r e r e gar d in g sch o lar sh ip an d cu r r e n t in t e r e st s. Th e q u a lit y o f t h e r e co r d in g w as so lid f o r t h e m o st p ar t , b u t it w as sligh t ly co r r u p t e d b y t h e w in d clan gin g t h e w in d o w s, as w ell as d ist a n t st ad iu m m u sic f r o m t h e n e ar b y co lle ge b ase b all gam e . H o w e v e r , b o t h I an d Dr. Ge o r ge ar e cle ar ly h ear d in t h e r e co r d in gs. A t t h e en d o f t h e f ir st se ssio n , Dr. Ge o r ge e xp r e sse d co n ce r n ab o u t an a p p r o xim a t e ly f ive m in u t e sect io n w h e r e he r e v e aled p r ivat e f am ily m at t e r s in t h e in t e r v ie w . A t t h is p o in t , he agr e e d t o r est r ict e d acce ss t o t h is in t e r vie w se ssio n , n o t in clu d in g t h is b r ief se ct io n r e gar d in g t h e se p r ivat e f a m ily m at t e r s. A t t h e st ar t o f t h e 2 nd in t e r v ie w se ssio n o n M ar ch 22, 2 0 1 5 , w e clar if ied t h e r e st r ict io n s o n t h e f ir st in t e r v ie w se ssio n , se t t in g t h e co m p le t e au d io r elease f o r Ja n u a r y 1, 2 0 9 0 , f o r t h is se ssio n . W e also agr e e d t o r e st r ict t h e se ct io n in q u e st io n in t h e p r in t e d in t e r vie w lo g, o m it t in g t h is p r ivat e f am ily in f o r m at io n in t h e lo g b u t k e e p in g all o t h e r in f o r m at io n in t h e se ssio n . A f t e r t h is cla r if ica t io n , Dr. Ge o r ge an d I p r o ce e d e d w it h t h e 2 nd se ssio n at t h e sam e m e e t in g p lace in t h e st u d e n t u n io n . I b o u gh t h im a n o t h e r b o t t led w at e r , an d t h e im p o r t an ce o f t h e w a t e r t o e n co u r a ge in t e r vie w f lo w w as cr it ical. In t h e 2 nd se ssio n , m y co n f id e n ce as an in t e r v ie w e r w as gr e a t e r , an d w e d e lve d in t o h is sch o lar ly w o r k . Dr. Ge o r ge , in t h is se ssio n an d t h e f ir st se ssio n , w as e n t h u siast ic, t h o r o u gh , an d a j o y t o in t e r vie w . His in sigh t an d e x p e r ie n ce w as f a scin at in g an d w ill be o f gr e a t b e n e f it t o f u t u r e r e se ar ch e r s. Re gar d in g t h e 2 nd se ssio n , t h e so u n d q u alit y w as sligh t ly b e t t e r b e cau se t h e r e w as no d ist an t b ase b all ga m e , an d t h e w in d w as n o t as r am b u n ct io u s as t h e f ir st se ssio n . Th e 2 nd se ssio n last ed a p p r o xim at e ly o n e h o u r an d f o r t y m in u t e s. I t h an k e d h im at t h e e n d , an d he sign e d t h e d e ed o f gif t f o r t h is se ssio n w it h o u t r e st r ict io n . Th e n e xt d ay I ga v e h im a n ice t h a n k y o u car d . Note on the Recording: Fo r t h e r e co r d in g, I u sed b o t h an O ly m p u s d igit al v o ice r e co r d e r o n b at t e r y p o w e r an d an iPh o n e 5 c ' V o ice M e m o ' r e co r d e r . I d id n o t u se an y ad d it io n al m icr o p h o n e s. A f t e r t h e in t e r vie w , I d o w n lo a d e d t h e in t e r v ie w f r o m t h e O ly m p u s d igit al r e co r d e r u n t o m y lap t o p , Can v a s so f t w a r e o n lin e , an d U SB d r ive . I m ad e r e d u n d a n cy a p r io r it y r e ga r d in g r e co r d in gs. Editing the Interview Log: M y e d it in g d e cisio n s in clu d e d : 1. Pr in t e d an d o n lin e v e r if ica t io n o f sp e llin g o f p e o p le, p lace s, an d t h in gs 2. Re se ar ch o f o n lin e an d p r in t e d so u r ce s f o r e x p lan a t o r y f o o t n o t e s 3. p lacin g t im e st a m p s at each o f m y q u e st io n s an d co m m e n t s 4. r e st a r t in g t h e t im e st a m p s f o r p ar t t w o o f se ssio n o n e 5. o m it t in g p e r so n al r e m ar k s at t h e en d o f p ar t o n e, se ssio n o n e , p er Dr. G e o r ge ' s r eq u e st