Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 10
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 10, 2024.
Gerecter
[edit]Does not appear to be relevant to the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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Thrustship
[edit]- Thrustship → List of Star Wars spacecraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The term "Thrustship" is not mentioned nor defined on the target page. The article that brought me it is also the only content page that links to it. Therefore, unless "Thrustship" is considered notable, there seems to be no good reason for this redirect to exist. ZFT (talk) 23:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Thrustship is sometimes used as another word for spacecraft. This0k (talk) 23:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: there's a passing mention at List_of_Star_Wars_species_(U–Z)#Yevetha, but that's all. J947 ‡ edits 00:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the redirect Yevethan thrustship also points to the same destination and "Yevethan" is also unmentioned. It is covered at WikiaCities at wikia:starwars:Aramadia-class Thrustship; However both "Yevethan" and "thrustships" are mentioned at List of Star Wars species (U–Z)#Yevetha -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:26, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: "Thrustship" used to be included at the current target, but that section was deleted. My opinion is that we should either restore that section, restore the separate article, or delete the redirect. ZFT (talk) 20:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
R&B
[edit]- Retarget to Contemporary R&B.
As said on talk page, absolutely barely any articles say "Contemporary R&B" when referring to "Contemporary R&B" they just say "R&B". Having this re-direct stops lots of frustration of people redirecting to the Rhythm and Blues genre when it is a Contemporary R&B song. Please see here on how Contemporary R&B is mentioned, it's the modern day now and Contemporary R&B has gained far more notability and is now the WP:COMMONNAME and look at most Contemporary R&B article you'll notice most publications simply wrote "R&B" when citing Contemporary R&B.Eg HotNewHipHop,Billboard,The Guardian.This0k (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)}
- Comment – there are 10,000 links to this redirect so a retarget or conversion into a disambiguation page should be made very carefully. Nevertheless, I believe that a disambiguation page between these two genres is probably ideal. J947 ‡ edits 23:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support A conversion into a disambiguation page, when done carefully, is fine with me.
- This0k (talk) 00:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- This can't have one target. The nom's propose change will also frustrate people; also, their rationale seems partially based on WP:RECENTISM. I will draft a disambiguation page. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 00:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Criticism of Donald Trump
[edit]- Criticism of Donald Trump → Public image of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Cat:Criticism of Donald Trump as {{R to category namespace}}. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 16:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - we already have a mainspace article on the topic, we shouldn't retarget to a category - users won't expect this. As an aside, looking at other {{R to category namespace}} usages it seems to be full questionable redirects, like Political book BugGhost🦗👻 09:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with BugGhost that an XNR isn't useful here. But the target article doesn't really discuss criticism of Trump expect in passing. This seems like something we could plausibly create a broad concept article for, so I think a red link is preferable here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- keep or retarget to Category:Criticism of Donald Trump or to Donald Trump. The word criticism is mentioned multiple times there, though a specific section doesn't exist for it. The redirect should exist, in some way. --MikutoH talk! 03:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, this is a new meaning, not mere synonym too when compared to "public image". Iljhgtn (talk) 00:36, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Category:Criticism of Donald Trump or to Donald Trump – Hate to see it delete just because the current target hardly mentions criticism. Either proposed target is better than deletion, IMO, but I would prefer the category as the target, especially for easier use and surfing. George Ho (talk) 02:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:28, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree with the sentiment that "criticism" and "public image" are well divorced from being synonyms. However, the first sentence of the current target makes it clear that the public image article is criticism-focussed. Moreover, Criticism of Barack Obama and Criticism of George Bush also lead to the respective public image articles, and Criticism of Franklin D. Roosevelt is included in Category:Public image of American politicians. This status quo is imperfect, but not without basis in my opinion. J947 ‡ edits 23:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the current target is a logical location to redirect to, and redirecting from main to category space doesn't seem ideal. RachelTensions (talk) 03:06, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Recent
[edit]There is no evidence that a primary topic has been specified. Kolano123 (talk) 17:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep All of the incoming links appear to be using "Recent" in its geological definition (i.e., as a synonym for Holocene). I do think there is a point to be made about the geological definition not being the "primary topic," so to speak. But I'm hesitant to delete since the "primary" definition isn't getting wikilinked at the moment. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Appears to be used for convenience in a narrow set of articles. Thsi redirect is unlikely to cause the confusion (as we are unlikely to have an article about the word itself, which would be the primary meaning). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Викидим (talk • contribs) 22:00, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Lean delete, although I'm not unsympathetic to the cleanup that would require. Maybe someone could use AWB or a bot to automate the process, but I don't know if that's more trouble than it's worth. This seems to be used in a bunch of taxoboxes in a technical sense, but far more often, it's done better, with "Recent" as a piped link to Holocene instead of relying on the redirect (see e.g. Giraffe). I don't think it's appropriate to carve out a redirect for a technical sense of an everyday word to use like this. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- soft redirect to wikt:recent, where the holocene period is ironically not directly mentioned. would it be per nom?
- and yeah, maybe use the good ol' pipe links. there's surprisingly not that many incoming links in mainspace, so it'd be easy to deal with cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Let the search function do its job. Redirecting to Wiktionary would be both unhelpful and somewhat patronizing. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia, not a dictionary. Readers do not want to get sent to a dictionary entry about the vague concept of newness. If a reader is searching the term "recent", they are looking for an encyclopedic entry on geology. Ca talk to me! 03:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- "If a reader is searching the term "recent", they are looking for an encyclopedic entry on geology." That seems like a stretch to me. The only way that would make sense was if the person that went to this redirect got there from a forum post about geology. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- What other encyclopedic topic could the term "recent" refer to? Ca talk to me! 10:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- none that wouldn't stop being recent at some point, and that's the problem cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- In the event that the reader is looking for the use of "recent" in other fields, I would also support an unorthodox hatnote to the wiktionary entry. Ca talk to me! 14:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
What other encyclopedic topic could the term "recent" refer to?
. Maybe recency effect, recency bias, or recentism. We shouldn't be guessing, and even a dab page for something this vague is iffy. But the status quo isn't there for readers; it's a technical redirect used poorly in some taxoboxes, and it shouldn't remain like that. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:53, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- What other encyclopedic topic could the term "recent" refer to? Ca talk to me! 10:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- "If a reader is searching the term "recent", they are looking for an encyclopedic entry on geology." That seems like a stretch to me. The only way that would make sense was if the person that went to this redirect got there from a forum post about geology. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ and IP. This common word shouldn't have primary usage in Geology. Jay 💬 08:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep on the grounds that Presidentman and Викидим point out. Since it's unlikely there will ever be much call for an encyclopedic article about the word "recent" itself (as Wikipedia isn't a dictionary), we don't seem to be primed to have competition for this target. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 11:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Amateur home page
[edit]- Amateur Home Page → Home page (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Amatuer home page → home page (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.
Target contains no information about "Amateur" home pages specifically. Ca talk to me! 01:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: there's no material about this. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This redirect just reads like someone complaining about either our home page (which is like that for simplicity's sake) or someone else's home page (which we have no control over). Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- •Delete fail to see relevance of redirect. VolatileAnomaly (talk) 01:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Also bundle Amateur home page created by the same author who created the uppercase version, and a few minutes prior. Both stubs were promptly converted to redirects. Jay 💬 09:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Bundled with Amateur home page, and tagged the third redirect (Amatuer home page), which wasn't tagged by the nom.
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- Delete all per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Mian Page
[edit]Vanishingly few page views per month(21) for a page that gets millions of views every week. There are a lot of people named "Mian Page", and Mediawiki already corrects for simple typos like this. Ca talk to me! 01:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible. KOLANO12 3 20:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No reason why this should even exist in the first place. ThatIPEditor They / Them 21:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- (comment: "and Mediawiki already corrects for simple typos like this" I tested this now, it doesn't.)
- Weak delete Unlike what some others are saying, I can relatively plausibly see someone accidentally transposing the I and A keys together. However, this is literally the first page you see when you open up Wikipedia we're talking about here, so people manually going to the Main Page is irrelevant here. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a person can just type the right words in themselves. BarntToust 14:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, plausible type, and SOME pageviews show that it is being hit at all. No reason to delete therefore unless a newer or better target was recommended. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I clicked Special:RandomRedirect 10 times and this redirect is more used than 8 out of the 10. It's a complete no brainer. J947 ‡ edits 21:48, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- I did not understand your test. How did you get the "8 out of the 10" statistic? Jay 💬 09:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- By comparing pageviews in 2024 for those 10 redirects. I did it again: this redirect is more used than 9 out of 10 (being used as much as equally as Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn). Clearly it is well used! J947 ‡ edits 00:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't get it. Which 10 redirects? Can you describe your test in detail? What has Special:RandomRedirect got to do with the redirect under discussion? Jay 💬 08:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- They're 10 random redirects (that result from clicking Special:RandomRedirect, 10 times), unrelated to the one under discussion. The point is to combat the dangerous assertion that the number of pageviews that this redirect receives is in any way minimal. J947 ‡ edits 10:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't get it. Which 10 redirects? Can you describe your test in detail? What has Special:RandomRedirect got to do with the redirect under discussion? Jay 💬 08:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- By comparing pageviews in 2024 for those 10 redirects. I did it again: this redirect is more used than 9 out of 10 (being used as much as equally as Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn). Clearly it is well used! J947 ‡ edits 00:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I did not understand your test. How did you get the "8 out of the 10" statistic? Jay 💬 09:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per J947. 21 page views per month is actually awfully good. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per pageviews (so per nom, I suppose). That the target receives a high number of views doesn't change anything. This also seems unambiguous as a search term. I don't know what someone searching this could be looking for other than the main page; I'm not seeing any people called "Mian Page" that we cover. – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Haifan Baháʼí Faith
[edit]- Haifan Baháʼí Faith → Baháʼí Faith (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
again, obscure, and where used, it is perjorative. Smkolins (talk) 21:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete due to wp:Wikipedia_is_not_a_dictionary#Wikipedia_does_not_document_the_usage_of_neologisms.
- Delete this is an obscure term, unlikely to be useful, that does not show up in reliable sources, and should not be used as a redirect as it wouldn't meet NPOV. — penultimate_supper 🚀 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Lean delete because this appears to be an attempt to create or promote a neologism. The phrase is simply not used outside of an extremely small company of people trying to attack the Baha'i Faith. If including the redirect would help promote the phrase in search engines and such, then delete. If that is not a consideration, then it doesn't matter. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 23:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Haifan Baháʼís
[edit]- Haifan Baháʼís → Baháʼí Faith (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
obscure and where used, a pejorative use Smkolins (talk) 21:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete due to wp:Wikipedia_is_not_a_dictionary#Wikipedia_does_not_document_the_usage_of_neologisms.
- Delete this is an obscure term, unlikely to be useful, that does not show up in reliable sources, and should not be used as a redirect as it wouldn't meet NPOV. — penultimate_supper 🚀 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Lean delete, same comment as similar nomination. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 23:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
DEVS VVLT
[edit]I think this a rather implossable misspelling of this term. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 20:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Several hits for this on Google in both all-caps and mixed-case versions. It's a reference to Latin, which traditionally used the letter V in place of the letter U. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Presidentman. Not implausible that this spelling was seen by a reader in a book or in a photograph of an inscription. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 00:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, Googled and found a historic inscription on a house, and uses in bookplates, among others. Deliberately archaic, but certainly could be encountered by readers who may not know how it is typically spelled. P Aculeius (talk) 13:38, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep it is not a misspelling, it is the actual correct proper spelling. In Roman Latin, there is no lowercase form, and there is no character "U" in the Roman alphabet. Thus the properly spelled out term is as the redirect shows. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Delete I doubt anyone is typing in "DEVS VVLT" into the Wikipedia search bar, and if they're doing it in Google they're going to see the right result anyways. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 16:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)nevermind, withdraw vote ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 16:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)- Keep. I doubt this is being used all that much as a search term, but it's unambiguous and it's not a misspelling; there are possible scenarios where this could be useful enough that I don't see the point of deleting this here. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Ayurveda/Non-confirmed editor comments
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- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per G7. SilverLocust 💬 19:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ayurveda/Non-confirmed editor comments → Ayurveda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Should this redirect to mainspace article exist? I have not seen this anywhere on the mainspace. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 16:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete WP:SUBPAGE/WP:SLASH and it's not an appropriate title, since it implies comments should be added into the article instead of the talk page. Also the creation comment makes no sense. We don't add redirects from Ayurveda/Archive 1 etc to fill in redlinks -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 17:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I created this redirect and now realize that that was a mistake. Kill it. --Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 17:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).
Goth (Silverwing)
[edit]- Goth (Silverwing) → Kenneth Oppel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This no longer has a mention and the redirect is confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Silverwing (TV series) where the character is mentioned. Tevildo (talk) 20:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would oppose this retarget. A character in a book is different from a character in a TV show based on a book. Obviously the current target is no good, but since this character is not mentioned at Silverwing (novel), I think deletion is better. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 00:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Nueva Hampshire
[edit]- Nueva Hampshire → New Hampshire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dakota del Norte → North Dakota (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems to be a fail of WP:RLANG, but I am not too confident. Weak Delete? -1ctinus📝🗨 23:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Half of the current U.S., including Dakotas, at some point were part of Spanish colonization of the Americas before Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. And given that USA doesn't have an official language and Spanish is the second most spoken, both redirects are justified. Web-julio (talk) 09:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete NH, keep ND as I don't see any strong ties between NH and Spanish languages. The area now in NH was not part of the Spanish colonization of the Americas so far as I can see, and only around 3% of the people in these states speak Spanish according to NH. However, ND was part of the Spanish colonization, and so has a tie to Spanish language. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete both Neither meets WP:RLANG in my opinion. I'm unconviced by the mere fact that many people in the U.S. speak Spanish to justify keeping here. (Many people in the U.S. also speak French, for example, but neither Nouveau Hampshire nor Dakota du Nord exist). In regards to North Dakota's supposed affinity to Spanish, that's spurious at best. There was never a place known as "Dakota del Norte" under Spanish rule, which in this case would have been limited to the brief era of Spanish Louisiana. (Assuming you count claiming Indigenous land as "ruling" it). No sustained European settlement occurred in the region until well after the U.S. acquired the territory. Even then, Dakota Territory was one entity until 1889. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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Musha-gaeshi
[edit]- Musha-gaeshi → Castle#Construction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
curved walls, built to be "a little hard to climb". unmentioned in the target and wiktionary, though it does have some mentions in articles related to japanese castles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Japanese castle#Azuchi–Momoyama period where mentioned. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 02:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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Save battery
[edit]- Save battery → ROM cartridge (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
i know what this means... but the article doesn't mention it in detail (only in passing as an image's caption), or anything to clarify that it doesn't mean methods of saving battery energy. not directly mentioned at volatile memory either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not about NVRAM backup battery, or CMOS clock backup battery, or battery saver apps, etc -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - It has a mention here (even if only in an image caption) and it has the potential to be discussed here in much more detail. I don't think CMOS clock backup batteries have ever been called "save" batteries, that should be pretty restricted to the domain of "saving your game" if I'm not mistaken. Theoretically, this could be searched for with the intent of finding methods of preserving battery life, but I think written this way (as opposed to the next RfD entry, below) it is much more clear that it refers to using a battery to enable saving your game in a ROM cartridge. Fieari (talk) 06:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. What it's ultimately getting at is more general than game cartridges. Any device with battery-backed volatile RAM would be covered by this, not just game carts. And even then, "save battery" is kind of vague and could refer to other things anyway. And as per nom, there's no significant discussion at the target anyway. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
polypifer
[edit]- Polypifer → Coral (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Poypifer → Coral (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to organisms formed from polyps, including but not limited to coral. suggest retargeting there. no opinion on the plausibility of the second redirect cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)- Archaic term that I see used in older texts to refer to corals. However, what's more relevant for us is Richard Dawkins' book The Ancestor's Tale in which he notes that "coral" is ambiguous between the organisms themselves and the hard stuff their colonies leave behind. He ressurects the older term "polypifer" to refer to the organisms. Thus, it would seem that coral polyp is the optimal target. But that page redirects to the nom's proposed target, which discusses polyps generally, not just those of corals, I think. The problem is that Polyp (zoology) discusses polyps generally, unrestricted to corals while coral discusses much more about corals than the living polyps themselves. Sigh. Refining to Coral#Anatomy could be quite nice, and I think I prefer that target over the nom's proposal, which is my second choice. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, and the second redirect is plausible enough. Should follow wherever Polypifer ends up going. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Ra'ad 1
[edit]- Ra'ad 1 → RAAD (anti-tank guided missile) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The more I research this redirect, the more confused I get. For starters, this redirect formerly targeted the article that is currently at Fajr-3 (artillery rocket), and did for the past six years. However, before that, this redirect targeted the article which it currently targets. However, to throw some more confusion into the mix, another similarly-titled article, Raad-1, exists. I may have figured out a better plan for what to do with this redirect by now if it were not for its incoming links; I am not clear what subject these links are meant to refer to. I'm thinking disambiguate is the way to go here, but I'm incredibly unclear what the base title should be for such a disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 00:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment both RAAD (anti-tank guided missile) and Raad-1 say they mean Thunder and Thunder-1. ; while Fajr-3 (artillery rocket) seems to mean Aurora-3 or Dawn-3 ? -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 22:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)Since this discussion isn't really getting any comments, I might as well throw my two cents in and say weak delete. Raad already exists as a disambiguation and there really isn't any suitable target for the exact title. Alternatively, retarget to Raad since that's the actual disambiguation. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)WP:STRIKESOCK. -- Tavix (talk) 22:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Raad-1 as {{R from modification}}, which now has a hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This seems to be an incorrect term for multiple things, and thus not really a good disambiguation and no reason to point to one over the others. Hopefully a redlink will tell the user that they have their term wrong and make them use the correct name for whatever it is they are looking for. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:00, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ra'ad 2 redirects to Ra'ad-II, Pakistani missile derived off Hatf-VIII which itself redirects to Ra'ad (air-launched cruise missile). Hence the Hatf-VIII Ra'ad could retrospectively be called Ra'ad 1. Retarget to Ra'ad (air-launched cruise missile) and tag as incorrect name. Jay 💬 12:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: One more try, since there's only really been one relist's worth of discussion
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regional screwdrivers
[edit]- Irish screwdriver → Hammer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Birmingham screwdriver → Hammer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
two different yet similar cases. "birmingham screwdriver" is an apparently obscure uk slang for hammer, as a reference to people from birmingham being muscleheads, while "irish screwdriver" seems to be... some brand of vodka? both terms are unmentioned in the target, and results mostly gave me miscellaneous companies and actual screwdrivers cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- should note that the second one is mentioned and elaborated on in law of the instrument cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Ecuador scuba diving
[edit]- Ecuador scuba diving → Scuba diving (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
no particular affinity with ecuador, from what i can gather. originally created as an ad cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would tentatively suggest that Scuba diving in Ecuador is a notable topic, but as it stands the best way for the reader to attain information on this topic is through search results; hence, delete. J947 ‡ edits 23:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, Diving in East Timor and Diving in the Maldives already exist, and Wikipedia tends to lack articles on General Topic 1 at the best of times, so I would suggest that Diving in Ecuador is indeed notable. J947 ‡ edits 23:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- then i guess return to red. even if that article is created, this redirect's history needs to burn cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused. This phrase should neither be ever linked to from mainspace or be the title of an article in the future – where does REDLINK come in? And there is never any value in deleting non-libellous page history. J947 ‡ edits 00:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- then i guess return to red. even if that article is created, this redirect's history needs to burn cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, Diving in East Timor and Diving in the Maldives already exist, and Wikipedia tends to lack articles on General Topic 1 at the best of times, so I would suggest that Diving in Ecuador is indeed notable. J947 ‡ edits 23:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
UTF-2000
[edit]Delete. Non-notable subject that is not mentioned anymore in the redirect target article. See old AfD. Nidaana (talk) 15:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)- delete per nom. pre-blar history had no reliable sources. if someone wants to recreate it, they can, but as is, i'm not feeling it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I can confirm this project exists, or at least existed, but there seem to be no non-primary sources about it (at least in English) meaning it is not eligible for an article. The target destination provides no information about the subject, and is unable to do so without a secondary source. However, it would be interesting and useful information to put in the target article, as to be perfectly honest, I'd love to see a section about oppositional efforts to Han unification in the project. But... without secondary commentary, we can't really add it. The page history, stub as it was, does has useful content if a secondary source could be found, and I'm loathe to delete it as an eternal optimist. All in all though, deletion is pretty permanent-- I'd rather leave it as a BLAR, simply hoping that a secondary source could be found somewhere, perhaps on the Japanese side of the web (my Japanese is only intermediate, I don't think I'm good enough to find it). The problem with leaving it as a redirect though, is that... again, we have no information on the subject. I wish there was some way to preserve the history without maintaining the redirect. A frustrating situation. Fieari (talk) 06:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- how about userifying? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Userify old content per @Cogsan, and redirect target to the userified page Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- i disagree with the xnr part cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
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Sarcenet
[edit]an alternate spelling of "sarsenet", a type of silk fabric. unmentioned in the target, though there are mentions of both spellings in other articles (but only two incoming links), and it gets steady views, so maybe there's a more fitting target i'm missing? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to History_of_science_and_technology_in_Africa#Central_Africa_4, where there's some discussion. J947 ‡ edits 23:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Sarcenet" does not mean "silk ribbon", but was a kind of silk fabric used for bed hangings and curtains, reference Clive Edwards, Encyclopedia of Furnishising Textiles (2007), p. 184.Unoquha (talk) 10:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- wowie haha i wonder why you would say that out of the blue like this, i'd hate to be the goober who would make such a predictable mistake. you saw nothing cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Sarcenet" does not mean "silk ribbon", but was a kind of silk fabric used for bed hangings and curtains, reference Clive Edwards, Encyclopedia of Furnishising Textiles (2007), p. 184.Unoquha (talk) 10:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:LTS
[edit]- Wikipedia:LTS → Wikipedia:Recentism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Suggesting retargeting to Wikipedia:Disambiguation#LTS, where Wikipedia:Long-term significance already targets. This is because WP:Recentism is only an essay page that mention "long-term significance" only once whereas WP:DAB is a guideline page and LTS is used very often in RM discussions. In fact, of the 6 incoming links from discussions, 5 use it in the context of WP:DAB, and only 1 use it in the context of Recentism, the current target. A hatnote at Wikipedia:Disambiguation#LTS to WP:Recentism may be added. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 12:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Dionian(ism)
[edit]- Dionian → Uranus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dionism → Homosexuality (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Dionian is a translation of wikt:Dioning (heterosexual). It used to be mentioned in Uranian (sexuality), along with several terms coined by Karl. Apollonian and Dionysian could mention dionism, or Dionysus. If this means male homosexuality, then gay men? Or something similar to Achillean. See Terminology of homosexuality. --MikutoH talk! 02:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget "Dionian" to Uranian (sexuality), where it is still mentioned. Also per a Google Books search. – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I'm a little less certain about "Dionism". "Dionysiac" is the common adjective for Dionysus, and the noun "Dionysism" is also used occasionally I believe, but I haven't heard "Dionism" used before with respect to the god, and the term seems too short to be capable of referring clearly to him. Among mythological figures, Dione's name would seem the closest to "Dionism". If a mention of "Dionism" at the page for the Nietzschean concept would be appropriate, then that would be a good target, but in the absence of such a mention, a page related to gay men would probably be the best target. – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
More "solider" redirects
[edit]- Super solider → Super soldier (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Solider with the Green Whiskers → Soldier with the Green Whiskers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Tin Solider → The Steadfast Tin Soldier (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Robert E. Lee and Young Solider → Robert E. Lee and Young Solider (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Foot Solider (Rich Homie Quan song) → Rich as in Spirit (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- For a lost solider → For a Lost Soldier (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stereo Solider → DNA (Little Mix album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Confederate solider → Confederate States Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Child solider → Children in the military (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Michael Gibson (British Army solider) → Michael Gibson (British Army soldier) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brian Wood (solider) → Brian Wood (British soldier) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These redirects all have the same misspelling of "soldier," which was discussed in a previous RfD from last week. As its rationale says, "solider" is also the comparative form of "solid" and can also be a misspelling of at least several other words. Delete these unless someone can provide a justification or suitable alternative course of action. Regards, SONIC678 05:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment however, this is not a bare "solider", in the context of these redirects, there are no other topics that could be referred to by the entire redirect, other that as a mispelling typo by adjacent character transposition of "soldier", unlike a bare "solider" -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep most common form of typo. Unlike the bare single word "solider", these do not mean more solid, or other things -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- rename Foot Solider (Rich Homie Quan song) to Foot Soldier (Rich Homie Quan song) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Michael Gibson (British Army solider) and Brian Wood (solider) ; as it is the disambiguator that is being misspelled and not the base term. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget The Tin Solider to The Tin Soldier as a {{R from typo}} -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete super solider, confusable with supersolid misconceptions -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- In theory you are right, but in many years of patrolling solider on this site I have noticed a very clear pattern of "super solder" being a very common typo for "super soldier" - something to do with comics I think. ϢereSpielChequers 05:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep
all but stereo soliderI have been patrolling the word "solider" on Wikipedia for many years, and in so doing created at least one of the above redirects by moving an article with that typo in its name. Solider does indeed have a genuine meaning, but most new occurrences on Wikipedia are typos of soldier and all of these redirects are in my view much more likely to come up as typos of soldier than because someone actually searches for say "confederate solider" because of something to do with confederates and solidity. So while I don't dispute the previous RFD, not everyone typing solider is making a typo and we shouldn't default just because the majority are probably wrong, in the above cases a correct use of solider would itself actually be odd. So we should keep these redirects other perhaps than "stereo Solider" which might as well be an alien language for me. ϢereSpielChequers 05:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)- Except why should "Stereo Solider" be deleted? What you said still apllies User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Stereo Soldier" is a song at the target of Stereo Solider, so it is a mispelling for a subtopic at the target DNA (Little Mix album). -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for digging that out, I've stuck my comment on that one. ϢereSpielChequers 14:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep most common form of typo. Unlike the bare single word "solider", these do not mean more solid, or other things -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all. Unnecessary. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- delete all that don't have "solider" as the first or second word, as it's too much stuff to type before making a minro spleling mistkae
- delete super solider, foot solider (rich homie quan song), solider with the green whiskers, and confederate solider as skill issues
- retarget the tin solider to... the tin soldier
- and i guess extremely weak keep the rest (which is... only stereo solider and child solider)
- what a doozy... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The bare solider shouldn't reidrect to soldier, but all these are cases where "solider" is plainly a common typo for "soldier". In what context would someone be intentionally trying to find out how to make a child or Confederate more solid? Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 11:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
List of saints (disambiguation)
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- The result of the discussion was withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Absolutiva (talk) 04:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- List of saints (disambiguation) → Lists of saints (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Disambiguation page no longer be used. Absolutiva (talk) 02:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).
Pekka Soini
[edit]- Pekka Soini → wikispecies:Pekka Soini (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a redirect to species:Pekka Soini, but the target page does not exist. Wikispecies does mention them (in species:Amerotyphlops minuisquamus and species:Helicops yacu), but only as someone who collected a specimen, not a taxon authority – so if I'm understanding species:Help:Author Names correctly, species:Pekka Soini should not be created. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Made this one by mistake as well. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Cowboy Luttrell
[edit]- Cowboy Luttrell → National Wrestling Alliance (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Cowboy" or "Luttrell" at the target article. Not a helpful redirect if we have no content on this supposed individual wrestler at the target article for the NWA. Utopes (talk / cont) 21:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also known as Cowboy Luttrall. Retarget to Championship Wrestling from Florida where discussed in most detail. Probably notable, anyhow. J947 ‡ edits 23:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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- In Coastal Championship Wrestling, the correct spelling Cowboy Luttrall is used to pipe to the wrong spelling Cowboy Luttrell. We can have a redirect at Cowboy Luttrall. Retarget per J947 and tag as {{R from incorrect name}}. Jay 💬 11:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The fact that nobody bothered to create the correctly-spelled redirect until now is clear evidence that we don't need an incorrect spelling of it. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Whether this is technically the wrong spelling or not (which would take some digging to ascertain) is irrelevant given that this appears to be the most frequently-used spelling or at least close to it (take the NYT for one). I would be surprised to find that most peri-notable people with scattered mentions across Wikipedia have redirects in their name anyway, so I don't understand your logic. Moreover, there are way more as-yet uncreated redirects that would be kept at RfD than currently existent redirects. J947 ‡ edits 21:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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Jill Martin (herpetologist)
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- The result of the discussion was speedy deleted as WP:G8 by Pppery. (non-admin closure) mwwv converse∫edits 13:14, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Jill Martin (herpetologist) → wikispecies:Jill Martin (herpetologist) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a redirect to species:Jill Martin (herpetologist), but the target page does not exist. Neither does species:Jill Martin. In fact, Wikispecies doesn't have any mention of Jill Martin (or "Martin, Jill"). jlwoodwa (talk) 00:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I added several of these based on redlinks on an article. All were direct links to Wikispecies articles, but this was just a "local" redlink that I didn't notice wasn't a Wikispecies link. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
AFAIK, WikiSpecies does not host that kind of information (biographies, etc)-- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)- update ok, there are bios on wikispecies, but this one is red, so delete -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I guess this can be G8-ed (and G7 applies too obvs). J947 ‡ edits 00:21, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
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Spicier
[edit]possible confusion with pungency, to which spicy redirects to? created by neelix, by the by cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Harmonize with spicy retarget to pungency -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible search term. Why would readers search for the comparative term instead of the non-inflected one? Ca talk to me! 10:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I haven't considered wikilinks. In that case, I agree with 65. Ca talk to me! 01:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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Wang Qingyun
[edit]- Wang Qingyun → Chinese Figure Skating Championships#Ladies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No point in this redirect, her name is mentioned only twice here in a table. but she is also mentioned as a competitor/medalist in few other articles but none have enough content to anchor a redirect. Sports2021 (talk) 00:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate This is the name of a 9th-century Chinese general Wang Qingyun (Northern Wei) (王慶雲) who fought Erzhu Tianguang, he is covered at Emperor Xiaozhuang of Northern Wei <make the emperor the bluelink>; a 19th-century provincial official Wang Qingyun (Qing Dynasty) (王慶雲; 1798-1862) who was Viceroy of Sichuan and Viceroy of Liangguang and ancestor of Wang Shizhen (physician) <make the physician the bluelink>; a para-skier listed at China at the 2022 Winter Paralympics; Wang Qingyun (王青雲) a fictional character from TV show The Unforgettable Memory; Wang Qingyun (王青云) 21st century political commissar at the Zhengzhou Joint Logistics Support Center; Wang Qingyun (skater) (王青雲) the skater should use the bluelink Chinese Figure Skating Championships since that's the only article where she has won anything, bronze medals -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment When disambiguating, this current redirect page should be renamed to Wang Qingyun (skater), for a redirect to be left behind that can be used as a target by WikiData; this would also preserve the AfD outcome pointed out by Hey man im josh -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Qingyun Wang should be bundled into this. It is the same person, with Western name order -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This was redirected here back in July as the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wang Qingyun (2nd nomination). Hey man im josh (talk) 13:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)