Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tan Binliang

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:08, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tan Binliang

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested without a reason being provided. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:57, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:57, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep China League One is fully professional. There's various dicussion talking about the payrolls, and fulltime status of players in the league, and crowd sizes (average about 4,000 per game) [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]. Other sources indicate that League Two is not fully professional. [7] Nfitz (talk) 01:53, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

None of these sources actually confirm what you're saying. The article in the Manawatu Standard focuses on one player, while one from goal.com (via FourFourTwo) focuses on a single club, while saying nothing definitive regarding the league as a whole. Transfermarkt, and Wordpress are not reliable. The article from What's on Tanjin? describes the league merely as professional, and not fully pro. The table of average attendances says nothing about professionalism whatsoever. Sir Sputnik (talk) 03:06, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The articles make it clear that the line between professional and semi-pro is between League One and League Two. I searched high and low for any evidence that League One isn't fully professional, and there's nothing. I did same for League Two, and it took about 30 seconds to find stuff. The leagues own documents say similar [8] [9] - though such sources should be used with caution as per WP:ABOUTSELF. Nfitz (talk) 05:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 12:06, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played in a fully professional league nor played senior international football. No indication of GNG pass based on any other activities within or outside football. @Nfitz: - have a look in the deletion archive for 2013, I can't remember where it was but there was a similar discussion where sources were provided to assert China League 1 as FPL. I think there is sufficient to debate this and consider adding to the PFL list, but this is not the place to do it. Fenix down (talk) 11:55, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Fenix down: I did look after my initial post, and I found no discussion where there was sufficient debate - only one where there was simply contribution by 2 people only, who didn't agree - Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Fully_professional_leagues/Archive_11#China. There seems to be the lack of a conclusive discussion there. But if I missed one, please point me towards it. Nfitz (talk) 02:08, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the discussion is here. Some sources were presented saying it was a professional league. GS said they were primary sources and I observed that there were a significant number of leagues on the FPL listing that relied entirely uon primary sources. Not sure if this is enough for FPL status and the discussion never went any further, but I think there are grounds for further talk if you want to dig into it. Fenix down (talk) 08:35, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Fenix down: Isn't that discussion talking about a player that player in League 2, which I've noted elsewhere doesn't seem to be fully professional, while this Tan_Binliang is in League 1, which some of those saying Delete for that AfD said was fully professional? Nfitz (talk) 02:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Some of the players were League 1 and some League 2. I think AlexChen's comments include liks to sources potentialy outlining the professionalism of League 1. Fenix down (talk) 08:56, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. JMHamo (talk) 02:42, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - this article is about a footballer that hasn't played in a fully pro league or represented his country at senior level, which means it fails WP:NFOOTY. Also fails WP:GNG as he hasn't been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources. Mentoz (talk) 21:04, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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