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SJK(C) Puay Chai 2

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Contested draft. School doesn't appear to be notable enough for a standalone article, and currently fails WP:NSCHOOL. CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:53, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The school does not meet NORG nor GNG. As the page creator moved it out of draft space after draftification, I suspect that the same would happen again if an ATD of draftify found consensus. Draftify would also imply that we thought sources might be found, but I am not seeing any evidence that will happen. Better, then, to just delete it. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect primary schools to the local city/area per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. I've looked neither at the article nor for sources and am only repeating the usual rule. If there is anything significant to be said about the school, it can be said in Petaling Jaya#Education. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tibet Tourism

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There does not appear to be any significant coverage of this company to pass WP:NCORP. The sources that were added by the article creator [1] in response to my PROD are merely company listings on other websites and not significant coverage. – notwally (talk) 23:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP. This is a listed company that has been on the Shanghai Stock Exchange since 1996, and there is no problem with WP:NORG (WP:LISTED). In addition, I added Western media sources such as Financial Times and Bloomberg. TinaLees-Jones (talk) 23:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From the policy you cited: "There has been considerable discussion over time whether publicly traded corporations, or at least publicly traded corporations listed on major stock exchanges such as the NYSE and other comparable international stock exchanges, are inherently notable. Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in this (or any other) case. However, sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companies, so that notability can be established using the primary criterion discussed above. Examples of such sources include independent press coverage and analyst reports. Accordingly, article authors should make sure to seek out such coverage and add references to such articles to properly establish notability." The Financial Times and Bloomberg company profiles you added are not significant coverage that would establish notability, and I have not found sources with significant coverage when trying to research this company. If these sources exist, then you should add them into the article. – notwally (talk) 23:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I believe that all Wikipedia editors are equal; therefore, the use of the term should reflects a deficiency in reasonableness and mutual trust. Secondly, this is a Chinese publicly traded corporation, and I have included extensive information in Chinese; but I would not assert that proficiency in Chinese is necessary to comprehend this material. TinaLees-Jones (talk) 00:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep According to WP:SIRS notability for listed companies on major exchanges (such as the Shanghai Stock Exchange) can be shown using analyst reports. Examples of in-depth analysis for this company include:

Pacific Securities (太平洋证) 2021 results analysis: https://pdf.dfcfw.com/pdf/H3_AP202109221517795746_1.pdf?1632294522000.pdf 2021-09-17
Bank of China International Securities, In-depth *Company* Tibet Tourism (600749) Review: 11 billion yuan acquisition of Lakala as a third-party payment https://stock.finance.sina.com.cn/stock/go.php/vReport_Show/kind/search/rptid/530988963292/index.phtml
Huaxin Securities (华鑫证券) Tibet Tourism (600749) Annual Report Commentary: Non-operating income reverses company performance https://stock.finance.sina.com.cn/stock/go.php/vReport_Show/kind/search/rptid/507833584150/index.phtml

A long list of analyst reports can be found here[2] Oblivy (talk) 03:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yin-yang-style baguazhang

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Revirvlkodlaku, what did you think of the existing sources? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:19, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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@Liz, I'm not sure what there is to think. There are two hyperlinks, both of which are of Chinese text, and the rest are books. It's not clear to me how anyone can easily verify the content, but more importantly, this still seems like a rather small and obscure school of martial arts, and I don't think it warrants its own article. I think the topic should perhaps be redirected to Baguazhang. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 09:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Ai, Hu 艾虎 (2013). "田氏阴阳八卦掌探源及发展" [The Origin and Development of Tian's Yin-Yang Baguazhang]. 中华武术 [Chinese Martial Arts] (in Chinese).
  The article notes: "阴阳八卦掌，明末清初时，早在四川峨嵋山与青城山一带，碧云、静云两位道长所传。由田氏远祖田如銨始习阴阳八卦掌。在反清复明特殊的历史背景，阴阳八卦掌只在田氏族中秘密传承。传承序为鹏、利、富、海、山、回、克、子、金、川。"
  From Google Translate: "Yin-Yang Bagua Palm was passed down by Taoist priests Biyun and Jingyun in the Emei Mountain and Qingcheng Mountain area of Sichuan in the late Ming and early Qing dynasties. Tian Ruquan, the distant ancestor of the Tian family, began to practice Yin-Yang Bagua Palm. In the special historical background of the anti-Qing and restoration of the Ming Dynasty, Yin-Yang Bagua Palm was only secretly passed down in the Tian family. The order of inheritance is Peng, Li, Fu, Hai, Shan, Hui, Ke, Zi, Jin, and Chuan."
  The article notes: "为弘扬中华武术，田迴先生于上世纪60年代将祖传阴阳八卦掌始传外姓，1990年9月田迴所著《阴阳八卦掌·蟒形掌》一书由人民体育出版社出版，并列为中国武术协会审定的《中国武术文库》“拳械部”所属的“拳术类”，后又作为经典，被选录入《中国武术百科全书》和《中国武术拳械录》。"
  From Google Translate: "In order to promote Chinese martial arts, Mr. Tian Hui passed down the ancestral Yin-Yang Baguazhang to foreign surnames in the 1960s. In September 1990, Tian Hui's book "Yin-Yang Baguazhang·Python-Shaped Palm" was published by People's Sports Publishing House and listed as The "Boxing Category" belonging to the "Boxing Department" of the "Chinese Martial Arts Library" approved by the Chinese Wushu Association was later selected as a classic and included in the "Chinese Martial Arts Encyclopedia" and "Chinese Martial Arts Boxing and Weapons Record"." The book from Tian Hui:
  - Tian, Hui 田迴 (1995). 陰陽八卦掌 : 蟒形掌 [Yin Yang Baguazhang: Python-Shaped Palm] (in Chinese). People's Sports Publishing House [zh]. ISBN 978-7-5009-0508-0. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
2. 天津通志: 体育志 [Tianjin General History: Sports History] (in Chinese). Tianjin: Tianjin Academy of Social Sciences Press 天津社会科学院出版社. 1994. p. 71. ISBN 978-7-8056-3498-2. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "芦忠仁(正文)近年献艺整理出版了《阴阳八盘掌》一书。阴阳八盘掌最显著的特点是,它的走转行动毫不停息,手法腿法步法身法变化多端,姿势时正时斜,时转时翻,时起时伏,并且各个动作组织严密,技法纵横游击,左右盘旋,大有冲锋陷阵威力。演练时,给人以强烈的艺术感和实战感。其器械套路较多,这里只记“八盘刀”、“八第一篇传统体育"
  From Google Translate: "In recent years, Lu Zhongren (text) compiled and published the book "Yin Yang Ba Pan Zhang". The most striking feature of Yin Yang Ba Pan Palm is that it moves around without stopping, its hand, leg, footwork and body movements are ever-changing, its postures are upright and diagonal, turning and turning, rising and falling, and each movement is tightly organized. , the technique is vertical and horizontal guerrilla, circling left and right, and has great charging power. During the drill, it gives people a strong sense of art and practicality. There are many equipment routines, here we only remember the "Ba Pan Knife", "Eight Pan Knife" and "Eight Pan Knife". The first traditional sports"
  The book notes: "阴阳八盘掌在清代也称“阴阳八卦掌”。此拳强调“八盘” (指人体的八个部位)的锻炼。因传授的人不同而变得多种多样。但在董海川以后,尹福和程廷华传授是主流。李振清前期弟子萧海波( 1863——1954 ) ,将此拳从民间传入清朝王府。萧的传人芦忠仁在津门潜心钻研,并向下传续了此拳,另有人称“醉鬼张三”的张长祯,与萧交往很密切,对萧述及所学的“内八卦'乾字门'拳法” (即此拳一支)"
  From Google Translate: "Yin-Yang Baguazhang was also called "Yin-Yang Baguazhang" in the Qing Dynasty. This boxing emphasizes the exercise of "eight pans" (referring to the eight parts of the human body). It varies depending on who teaches it. But after Dong Haichuan, Professors Yin Fu and Cheng Tinghua became the mainstream. Xiao Haibo (1863-1954), a former disciple of Li Zhenqing, introduced this boxing from the people to the royal family of the Qing Dynasty. Lu Zhongren, Xiao's descendant, devoted himself to studying in Jinmen and passed on this boxing to the next generation. Zhang Changzhen, also known as "Drunkard Zhang San", had a close relationship with Xiao and told Xiao about the "Nei Bagua" Qianzi he had learned. "Men'quanfa" (that is, this fist)."
3. Liu, Jun-xiang 刘峻骧 (1996). 东方人体文化 [Oriental Human Body Culture] (in Chinese). Shanghai: Shanghai Literature & Art Publishing House [zh]. pp. 107, 109, 115. ISBN 978-7-5321-1488-7. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The book notes: "《阴阳八卦掌》则以蟒形学为首,顺序是按后天八卦图的排列,分别狮形掌、虎形掌、熊形掌、蛇形掌、马形掌、猴形掌、鹏形掌等。但不管哪一派,都讲八方、八位、八掌型。其掌型分别为仰,俯,竖、抱、劈、撩、穿、挑。"
4. Hao, Xinlian 郝心莲 (1998). 中国武术百科全书 [Encyclopedia of Chinese Martial Arts] (in Chinese). Beijing: Encyclopedia of China Publishing House. p. 518. ISBN 978-7-5000-6087-1. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "《阴阳八卦掌》《中华武术文库·拳械部·拳术类》之一。田廻著。中国武术协会审定。 1990 年 9 月人民体育出版社出版。全书共分上下两篇, 8 册。上篇总论,主要介绍了阴阳八卦掌的源流、内容、特点、练习步骤、阴阳论等;下篇讲述蟒形掌等一至八掌的掌势套路练法和技击作用。第 1 册蟒形掌,第 2 ~ 8 册依次为狮形掌、虎形掌、熊形掌、蛇形掌、马形掌、猴形掌、鹏形掌。... 它与董海川所传八卦掌不同,实为八卦掌另一流派。该书材料翔实,图文并茂,文字简练,通俗易懂,便于自学,利于查阅。"
  From Google Translate: "The Yin-Yang Bagua Palm is based on the python form, and the order is arranged according to the post-natal Bagua diagram, including lion-shaped palm, tiger-shaped palm, bear-shaped palm, snake-shaped palm, horse-shaped palm, monkey-shaped palm, roc-shaped palm, etc. But no matter which school it is, they all talk about eight directions, eight positions, and eight palm forms. The palm forms are upward, downward, vertical, hugging, chopping, lifting, piercing, and picking."
5. Ren, Zhicheng 任致诚 (2001). 阴阳八盘掌 [Yin Yang Ba Pan Palm]. Jiaolong Library Ancient Boxing Manual Series 矫龙文库古拳谱丛书 (in Chinese). Vol. 2. Shanxi: Shanxi Science and Technology Press [zh]. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via Google Books.
6. Tian, Keyan 田克延 (2005). "阴阳八卦掌基础套路八卦阴阳鱼" [Yin-Yang Bagua Palm Basic Routine: Bagua Yin-Yang Fish]. 中华武术 [Chinese Martial Arts] (in Chinese). No. 9. pp. 54–57. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via CQVIP [zh].
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yin-yang-style baguazhang (simplified Chinese: 阴阳八卦掌; traditional Chinese: 陰陽八卦掌) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 11:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beidu

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Already a disambiguation page exist as Beidou (disambiguation). kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: This refers to 北都, meaning "northern capital" in Chinese (and presumably also Japanese and Korean). The equivalent disambiguation pages are zh:北都 and ja:北都. Both contain quite a few more entries than we have here. I will try to expand this and ask that it be kept once I do. Toadspike [Talk] 21:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just realized that the Japanese entries are more appropriate at Hokuto. I've added a link in the See also section. This means my additions are complete. Toadspike [Talk] 22:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I added three Beidus found in other existing pages. Geschichte (talk) 21:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, probably good enough now Geschichte (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. I've added all the entries from zhwiki, and Geschichte has added some mentions from here on enwiki. This is now a valid, useful DAB page. Toadspike [Talk] 21:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per additions by Toadspike. Procyon117 (talk) 15:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bolun Shen

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Seems entirely promotional and resume-like Amigao (talk) 01:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Besides being an artist in residence [3], I don't see sourcing we can use. The Ted talk where the photo is from comes up, but that's all. The artist in residence link is primary anyway, so we can't use it. Oaktree b (talk) 01:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep There are at least three sources:

https://theinitium.com/zh-hans/article/20150831-mainland-unmarried-mother is an article about his personal life, but contains key biographical details
https://zqb.cyol.com/html/2015-10/21/nw.D110000zgqnb_20151021_1-12.htm is a profile of him from China Youth Daily
https://cn.nytimes.com/culture/20150526/tc26box/ a NYT China profile along with an interview. I understand that interview articles can be controversial but this is from a reputable paper, and the profile information at top is quite substantive and would support much of the article content

Oblivy (talk) 02:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - The formatting of the references is so poorly done that it will require time to clean up before a source analysis can be made. Looks like a refbomb pile-up, and I don't even understand Chinese. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Leaning towards delete. The lede is purely promotional. There is emphasis placed on the subject's TED (conference)#TEDx talks, which really shouldn't be confused with TED Talks. He has given six TEDx talks in China, one of which was included in the official TED China in 2019. I think this sentence is misleading and I don't think these talks contribute toward notability. There is emphasis placed on the subject's installation Babel Tower, which is a small tower of disused mobile phones displayed in a shopping mall. Most of the references are interviews or calendar listings, or primary sourcing promoting the event. I am hoping someone else will chime in before I tackle source assessment. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. Tian, Chenwei 田晨炜 (2015-05-26). "一位迷茫青年记录同代人的千个问题" [A confused young man records thousands of questions of his generation]. The New York Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "这是+box“回归”全国展的第13场。由26岁的沈博伦发起的视频记录项目+box，用一年半的时间拍摄了全国十个城市1000名年轻人对世界的提问。以这些问题为素材的展览正在全国进行，并将在今年夏天走出中国，前往赫尔辛基艺术节参展。2013年7月，沈博伦24岁，距他离开大学、进入活动策划业仅仅过去一年。在此之前，他走的是一条人人艳羡的道路：生长在上海、北京，考进中国传媒大学，毕业后加入业内顶尖公司，收入可观……一切因素都指向更加美好的生活。但就在这样的路上，他却感到迷茫和无助，他选择停下脚步向自己发问：“这一切的意义究竟是什么？”"
  From Google Translate: "This is the 13th national exhibition of +box’s “return”. The video recording project +box, initiated by 26-year-old Shen Bolun, spent a year and a half filming 1,000 young people in ten cities across the country asking questions about the world. Exhibitions based on these issues are ongoing across the country and will go out of China this summer to participate in the Helsinki Art Festival. In July 2013, Shen Bolun was 24 years old, just one year after he left university and entered the event planning industry. Before that, he followed a path that everyone envied: he grew up in Shanghai and Beijing, was admitted to the Communication University of China, and joined a top company in the industry after graduation, earning a considerable income...all factors pointed to a better life. But on this road, he felt confused and helpless. He chose to stop and ask himself: "What is the meaning of all this?""
2. "Sculpture Made Of Cell Phones Highlights China's E-Waste Problem". Agence France-Presse. 2019-03-31. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "A Chinese artist on Saturday unveiled a sculpture made of discarded mobile phones and shaped like a cell tower in a bid to highlight the problem of electronic waste. The phones were rigged to a metal frame and synchronised so their screens would flash in various colours. "The inspiration of my tower comes from the Tower of Babel in the Bible," artist Shen Bolun told AFP, referring to the origin story explaining why people speak different languages."
3. Wu, Jing 吴婧 (2015-08-31). "请你给我十块钱，众筹"未婚生子"罚款" [Please give me ten yuan to crowdfund the fine for "having a baby out of wedlock"] (in Chinese). Initium Media. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "在吴霞眼中，沈博伦是一个“只能按自己意愿生活的人”。他成长于上海和北京，后考入中国传媒大学读传播学。毕业后，沈博伦进入一家活动营销公司，“天天都在做我觉得没意思的东西”。2013年，工作一年的沈博伦辞了职，发起一个名为“＋box”的项目：他用一年半的时间走访中国的十个城市，在每个城市采访100个年轻人──如果给你一个机会问全世界同龄人一个问题，你会问什么？沈博伦将收集到的问题剪辑成数个短片，在全国各地展览。《纽约时报》中文网曾以《一位迷茫青年纪录同代人的千个问题》为标题报导他的故事。不久前，他携短片参展了芬兰赫尔辛基艺术节。"
  From Google Translate: "In Wu Xia's eyes, Shen Bolun is a "person who can only live according to his own wishes." He grew up in Shanghai and Beijing, and was admitted to Communication University of China to study communication. After graduation, Shen Bolun entered an event marketing company, "doing things that I find boring every day." In 2013, Shen Bolun resigned after working for a year and launched a project called "+box": he spent a year and a half visiting ten cities in China and interviewed 100 young people in each city──If If you were given a chance to ask your peers around the world a question, what would you ask? Shen Bolun edited the collected issues into several short films and exhibited them across the country. The New York Times Chinese website once reported his story under the title "A confused young man records a thousand questions about his contemporaries". Not long ago, he participated in the Helsinki Art Festival in Finland with his short film."
4. Huang, Fangran 黄昉苨; Xu, Peng 徐芃 (2015-10-21). "跳出盒子的年轻人" [Young people stepping out of the box]. China Youth Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "扛着摄像机在南京、深圳、北京等10个城市与成百上千个年轻人交流过彼此的人生困惑之后，沈博伦得出了这样的结论：上一代的人可能有了足够的物质，就会对生活感到满足；但现在的年轻人不会，他们要满足的是不断提升的自我意识。"
  From Google Translate: "After carrying a camera and communicating with hundreds of young people in 10 cities including Nanjing, Shenzhen, and Beijing about their life confusions, Shen Bolun came to the conclusion that people of the previous generation may have enough material resources. , they will be satisfied with life; but today's young people will not. What they want to be satisfied with is their ever-increasing self-awareness."
5. Zheng, Yang (2015-11-09). "Born to Choose". Beijing Review. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "Apart from the choice to freeze eggs as an option, giving birth out of wedlock holds many other challenges. When Wu Xia and her boyfriend Shen Bolun ended their relationship, she was four months pregnant. Remaining friends, the two decided to raise the baby together. This June, Wu gave birth, but she soon realized that the first challenge of motherhood was a penalty from the government. ... In July, Wu and her ex-boyfriend launched a project on crowd-funding website Dreamore.com, asking people to donate up to 10 yuan ($1.58) to help them pay the penalty. The move immediately created a sensation, but the project was removed from the website 16 hours later. Shen explained that what they want to raise is not money, but public awareness of the difficulty confronting the parents of children born out of wedlock."
6. Chen, Wei 陈薇 (2015-12-02). "【中国新闻周刊】单身的权利" [【China News Weekly】The Rights of Being Single]. China Newsweek (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via Jiemian News.
  The article notes: "沈博伦1989年出生，2012年大学毕业，学的是传播学。一年后，觉得工作没有价值，辞职创办了一个名为“＋box”的项目，想向10个城市的1000个年轻人提出同一个问题：“如果给你一个机会问全世界同龄人一个问题，你会问什么？”"
  From Google Translate: "Shen Bolun was born in 1989 and graduated from university in 2012, majoring in communication. A year later, I felt that my job was worthless, so I resigned and started a project called "+box". I wanted to ask the same question to 1,000 young people in 10 cities: "If you were given a chance to ask a question to your peers around the world, What do you ask?""
7. Qiu, Yuchen 秦雨晨 (2014-04-29). "沈博伦和他的PLUSBOX" [Shen Bolun and his PLUSBOX]. 大学生 [University Student] (in Chinese). ISSN 1672-8165. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "大学时候沈博伦学的是传播学。他是个挺活跃的学生，曾经去公关公司实习过一段时间，所以在毕业的时候，他强烈地知道自己一定不要去干公关行业，当时想做活动行业，于是就去了这样一家公司。但是工作一年之后，沈博伦发现这份工作整体和自己的预期差距非常之大，不论是成长环境、工作内容、人际关系还是薪金，都不是自己想要的样子。"
  From Google Translate: "Shen Bolun studied communication in college. He was a very active student and had interned at a public relations company for a period of time. So when he graduated, he knew strongly that he did not want to work in the public relations industry. At that time, he wanted to work in the event industry, so he went to such a company. But after working for a year, Shen Bolun found that the overall gap between this job and his expectations was very large. Whether it was the growth environment, work content, interpersonal relationships, or salary, it was not what he wanted."
8. Additional sources:
  1. Liang, Lu-Hai (2015-07-04). "How one couple is fighting back against China's financial penalties for unmarried parents. Mr Shen and Ms Wu are using media attention to raise money to pay their fine". The Independent. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
    The article notes: "In China, new parents Shen Bolun and Wu Xia feel bureaucracy is a reasonable price to pay for the freedom to choose how they live. In the face of social and state pressure, Mr Shen and Ms Wu, who last month gave birth to a daughter, have never married and do not intend to. But their decision has had consequences – not least, in their case, a 43,910 RMB (£4,498) “social maintenance fee” levied against them. The couple are now using the ensuing media attention to raise money partly to pay off the fine, and partly to highlight the plight of China’s single parents, and what they consider a de facto enforcement of marriage imposed by the government. “People don’t see another option,” Mr Shen, 26, a filmmaker and artist, said a week before his daughter’s birth. ... Chinese media have contacted him for interviews, providing a rare platform for a discussion about the children of unwed couples and the rights of single women among China’s younger generations."
  2. Shan, Juan (2015-08-11). "Debate grows over reproductive rights". China Daily. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
    The article notes: "Having a Master of Business Administration degree from prestigious Northwestern University in the US state of Illinois, Wu, 32, broke up with boyfriend Shen Bolun, a 26-year-old photographer in Beijing, in February. Wu was 17 weeks' pregnant at the time, and the two decided to welcome their child."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Shen Bolun (Chinese: 沈博伦) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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Judas Prada

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Stub about a basketball coach. I took a crack at looking for material but came up short. Best I could add is that he did one year as an assistant coach in the NBA. I could flesh it out with more lower level teams he was associated with, but I found nothing but database entries and mentions in passing of his short stints at colleges and a Chinese team, so it does nto seem worth it. No in depth sources about him, so no evidence he passes WP:SPORTBASIC. No evidence he ever played in NBA so fails WP:NBASKETBALL. Don't see this meeting WP:NBIO Meters (talk) 23:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to mention that there was an unsourced (and undone) edit last year that claimed that as of 2023 he was a middle school basketball coach [4]. Meters (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I am getting some hits in google books. I think it highly probable that there may be coverage in newspaper archives. Anyone able to check newspapers.com?4meter4 (talk) 00:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm happy to withdraw this if suitable coverage is found, but I didn't find any in depth coverage. Appears to be a run-of-the-mill coach with short stints at various colleges, and who peaked with one year as an assistant in the NBA. Meters (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Not notable. No significant coverage. Vedicant (talk) 20:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sino-Kannauj War

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A mere raid that has been vaguely stretched into a War article. RSes do not refer to it as "Sino-Kannauj War", full of WP:HOAX. The article clearly fails to establish WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 12:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:@HistoryofAryavart Why there cant be a article? And better check sources and it has a coverage in sources a mere raid doesnt mean it cant have a article and what hoax? whicj info is wrong this Afd seems to based on your POV theres quit ample content for a article title can be changed. Also the theres literally a newsarticle over this in references this suggests that its quit notable.

Edasf«Talk» 12:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC) Edasf «Talk» 12:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing about notability you completely ignored that its even listed at China-India relations article dont think a non notable thing would be listed here. Edasf «Talk» 13:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's not how it works. News articles and blogs are not RSes please go through WP:MILNG and WP:RS. I have checked all of the cited sources and non of it explicitly describes "Sino-Kannauj War". The issue of HOAX and GNG still remains unless the article is backed by reliable source that can corroborate to the topic and not some attack or raid. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 13:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofAryavart Newsa article isnt only source there and there are also books who are definitely RS by Reliable authors and I have moved page Edasf «Talk» 13:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing to be found about "Sino-Kannauj War" in the sources, quote the sources explicitly mentioning this event. And please do not move the article while the Afd is going on. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 13:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heres one Prabhod Chandra Bagchi (2011) "The very same year 647 the Wang Xuance was sent to another imperial mission to Magadha.On his arrival he found that Harsha had died and his minister Arunasva King of Tirabhukti had usurped the throne.The Chinese mission wasnt well recieved its escorts murdered and treasures plundered,Wang Xuance manage to save himself and fled to Nepal which was allied to China through Tibet.There he gathered the milltary support from mercenary Nepali and Tibetan troops and marched on Magadha" Its not full quote theres more but I dont have time you can check the source only.@HistoryofAryavart Edasf «Talk» 13:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename There is sufficient coverage for the historical event however the invasion took place purely in the Tirhut/Mithila region of Northern Bihar and Arunasava/Arjuna is described as being the governor or ruler of Tirhut first and foremost hence I believe the article should be renamed to reflect this e.g. the Chinese Invasion of Tirhut.Ixudi (talk) 14:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ixudi I am OK for it Edasf «Talk» 14:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well the historians don't even consider the Chinese accounts as reliable or based on historical events but a hoax. For eg see what Majumdar has to say on this event:
- p. 125
  In any case, it is impossible to draw any reliable conclusion from this picture of an invincible hero painted by himself.
- p. 124
  But the Chinese account of the embassy of Wang-hiuen-tse which, as noted above, reached India immediately after the death of Harsha, has preserved some curious details of the history of this period. Accustomed as we are to the exaggeration and self-adulation of the Chinese writers, this account beats all records and reads more like a romance or a string of fables than sober history.
The article is based on a fictional account and the hero (Wang-hiuen-tse) is painted by himself. The issue of WP:HOAX still remains and there's no reason for this article to be kept in article mainspace. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 14:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HistoryofAryavart We can still as a article since you gave several more content if it has coverage then we can keep it after some redraw and your source doesn't completely denies its existence. Edasf «Talk» 14:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, the article is purely based on a fabricated account and I have quoted the source to show that it's full of hoaxes, hence Majumdar concludes:
p. 126
On the whole, the story of Wang-hiuen-tse has little historical value, except as a general indication of the anarchy and confusion prevailing in North Biliar and the neighbouring region after the death of Harsha. What happened to the kingdoms of Thaneswar or Kanauj we cannot say, but there is no ground to suppose that Harsha’s death was followed by a political upheaval in the whole of North India.

HistoryofAryavart (talk) 14:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HistoryofAryavart First of all there are other sources as well which do consider it historical and Majumdar is not complete RS since he's no longer a introductory textbooks and his nationalist nature.You need multiple source and Majumdar's interpretations can definitely added in Article but this isn't concrete to delete article. Edasf «Talk» 15:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a case WP:HOAX beacuse the article is based on actual stories. Rather the actual article should be edited to reflect that the events detailed in the stories may not necessarily be historically accurate. Ixudi (talk) 15:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have shown how this Chinese account is not taken seriously. And the event doesn't get enough coverage, much less 5-6 lines of passing mentions which doesn't warrant a standalone article, that said it could have been merged into a parent article. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 15:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What 5-6 line passages? There are 5-6 pages of it in sources and we usually have separate articles for wars and on what grounds you consider it incapable your POV? Edasf «Talk» 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And Ixudi already told that it has sufficient coverage even a 5-6 line passage is if it has coverage. Edasf «Talk» 15:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The quote that you excerpted from the Bagchi (2011) has no more than 6 lines of coverage. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 18:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thats not full quote and coverage matters. Edasf «Talk» 08:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I'm exactly talking about the "full quote" in the source. Garudam ^Talk! 13:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Well I have reviewed the sources itself. The topics outrightly fails SIGCOV and the issue of HOAX remains, this topic should have been rather included in parent pages, say Pushyabhuti dynasty but I don't think it clears the certain criterias to have a standalone article. Garudam ^Talk! 13:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Garudam The HOAX is already cleared by Ixudi stop repeating reasonings and again Wars tend to have separate article it helps clear confusion and correct all your signatures above since you changed name and coverage matter. Edasf «Talk» 15:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Syuejia Shang Baijiao and harvesting incense

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I'm not sure if this article would stay within draftspace if I moved it there, given that the creator just moved it all over the place. Not well sourced, and a WP:BEFORE search failed. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 02:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am the author of this page, and I sincerely apologize. I was trying to move this article to the main page, but due to an operational error, it was unintentionally moved to two or three other locations. Later, I found the correct way to transfer it to the Wikipedia main page. Sources have now been properly cited. ALFART3594 (talk) 15:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Sources are not in fact properly cited. Two sources in a wall of text is not proper citation, as any college student should know. 30 paragraphs of text are completely unsourced, as are three long lists. I don’t mean to be rude, but anyone who’s ever read a Good Wikipedia article knows that this isn’t one. Please start over from scratch. Bearian (talk) 05:50, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Yang, Kate (June 2004). "The Emperor and the Centipede". Taiwan Panorama. Translated by Mayer, David. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "At the end of the ceremony, they always draw water from Chiangchun Creek to symbolize their awareness that "when drinking water, one must remember the source," i.e. be grateful, in this case to their ancestors for pioneering the land that is now their home. The proceedings at the pavilion are referred to as "visiting Baijiao." When the faithful "visit Baijiao," they worship both a god and their ancestors. The ritual is unique among Taiwan's temple festivals in this sense. ... The visit to Baijiao takes place every year and wraps up in about a day, but once every four years Tsuchi Temple elects a new board of trustees and supervisors, and the occasion is marked by the Hsuehchia festival. The main difference between the big festival and the visit to Baijiao is that the procession doesn't just go from Tsuchi Temple to Paichiao Pavilion."
2. Chang, Jung-hsiang 張榮祥 (2024-07-17). "國家重要民俗「學甲上白礁」連3天海內外宮廟雲集" [National Important Folk Custom 'Xuejia Shangbaijiao' Held for 3 Consecutive Days, Temples from Across Taiwan and Abroad Gather] (in Chinese). Central News Agency. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "國家重要民俗「學甲上白礁」刈香祭典，今天在台南市學甲慈濟宮登場，為期3天，海內外逾100座宮廟、藝陣雲集，鑼鼓喧天，信眾擠爆，熱鬧滾滾。保生大帝台灣開基祖廟學甲慈濟宮今天起一連3天舉辦國家重要民俗「學甲上白礁」刈香祭典，由前立法院長王金平擔任主祭官，菲律賓、馬尼拉、新加坡、香港、澳門等海外宮廟也參與這項宗教盛事。"
  From Google Translate: "The nationally important folklore "Xujia Shangbaijiao" Incense Cutting Ceremony was held today at the Xuejia Tzu Chi Palace in Tainan City. It lasted for three days. More than 100 palaces, temples and art formations from home and abroad gathered together. The gongs and drums were noisy, and the believers were crowded and lively. Roll. The Xuejia Tzu Chi Temple, the founder of Emperor Baosheng's ancestors in Taiwan, will hold the nationally important folklore "Xuejia Shangbaijiao" incense cutting ceremony for three consecutive days starting today. Former Legislative Yuan Wang Jinping will serve as the officiant. The Philippines, Manila, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Macau Overseas palaces and temples also participated in this religious event."
3. Huang, Chao-ch'in 黃朝琴 (2023-04-30). "重要民俗「學甲上白礁」授證文化資產永續流傳" [Important Folk Custom 'Xuejia Shangbaijiao' Certified, Cultural Heritage to be Passed Down Sustainably]. Youth Daily News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "臺南市「學甲上白礁」去年獲登錄列為國家重要民俗，「學甲慈濟宮」也同步被認定為保存者，今（30）日適逢「上白礁」謁祖祭典隆重登場，文化部頒授重要民俗認定證書，由慈濟宮代表接受，代表民俗文化資產永續流傳，展現臺灣深厚文化生命力。"
  From Google Translate: "Tainan City's "Xujia Shangbaijiao" was registered as a nationally important folk custom last year, and "Xuejia Tzu Chi Palace" was also recognized as a preserver. Today (30th) coincides with the grand debut of the "Shangbaijiao" ancestor worship ceremony. , the Ministry of Culture awarded the Certificate of Important Folklore Recognition, which was accepted by the representative of Tzu Chi Palace, representing the sustainable spread of folk cultural assets and demonstrating the profound cultural vitality of Taiwan."
  The article notes: "「學甲上白礁」從清代發展至今，雖隨著時代演變，但祭典儀式、香境香路及各十三庄宮廟自組之藝閣、陣頭迄今仍維持一定的傳統性，並富含在地文化特色，如儀式性的宮內祭典、白礁亭謁祖祭典；"
  From Google Translate: ""Xuejia Shangbaijiao" has been developed since the Qing Dynasty. Although it has evolved with the times, the rituals, the incense road and the art pavilions and formations organised by each of the Thirteen Village Palaces and Temples have still maintained a certain degree of tradition. It is also rich in local cultural characteristics, such as the ceremonial palace ceremony and the ancestor worship ceremony at Baijiao Pavilion;"
4. Chuang, Yao-tsung 莊曜聰; Chen, I-wei 陳苡葳 (2024-04-18). "台南「學甲上白礁」3天遶境蜈蚣陣揭序幕" [Tainan 'Xuejia Shangbaijiao' 3-Day Procession, Centipede Formation Kicks Off the Event]. United Daily News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "國家重要民俗「學甲上白礁」昨起為期3天遶境，共有來自海內外105間宮廟及上百文武陣頭、藝閣共襄盛舉，打頭陣是唯一以人力扛抬的蜈蚣陣，因少子化、人力難覓還差點開天窗，在各方支持下總算順利出陣。"
  From Google Translate: "The nationally important folk custom "Xujia Shangbaijiao" started yesterday for a three-day tour. A total of 105 palaces and temples from home and abroad and hundreds of civil and military formation leaders and art pavilions participated in the grand event. The leading formation is the only centipede formation that is carried manually. Due to the declining birthrate and the difficulty in finding manpower, we almost had to open the skylight. With the support of all parties, they finally got out of the battle successfully."
5. Wen, Cheng-heng 溫正衡 (2022-09-28). "台南300年歷史祭典「學甲上白礁」 9月獲登錄國家重要民俗" [Tainan's 300-Year-Old Festival 'Xuejia Shangbaijiao' Registered as a National Important Folk Custom in September] (in Chinese). Public Television Service. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "歷經1年停辦，1年縮小規模的學甲慈濟宮上白礁，今年4月9日到11日恢復舉辦，熱鬧非凡。活動中不只有傳統藝陣、廟方還上將軍溪畔舉辦「上白礁」謁祖祭典，象徵飲水思源、不忘本精神，而今年9月更通過文化部審議，成為國家重要民俗。"
  From Google Translate: "After a year of suspension and a year of downsizing, the Tzu Chi Palace on Pedra Branca was resumed from 9 to 11 April April this year, and it was a bustling event. The event not only featured a traditional art array, but the temple also held a "Shangbaijiao" ancestor worship ceremony on the bank of the Shangjiang River, which symbolizes the spirit of drinking water to remember the source and not forgetting one's roots. In September this year, it was approved by the Ministry of Culture and became an important national folk custom."
6. Wang, Han-ping 王涵平 (2024-04-17). "國家重要民俗「學甲上白礁」今起遶境 105間宮廟參與" [National Important Folk Custom 'Xuejia Shangbaijiao' Begins Procession Today, 105 Temples Participate]. Liberty Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "國家重要民俗「學甲上白礁」遶境祭典今起為期3天，來自國內外105間宮廟參與，蜈蚣陣出發遶境，大批信眾湧入爭拿神童賜福糖果、鑽轎腳，19日將至頭前寮白礁亭謁祖、請水火。"
  From Google Translate: "The nationally important folklore "Xuejia Shangbaijiao" circumambulation festival will last for three days today. 105 palaces and temples from home and abroad are participating. Centipede formations set out to circumambulate the territory, and a large number of believers poured in to compete for the blessing of the child prodigy. Candies, diamonds on sedan chairs, and the 19th is about to arrive at Touqian Liao Baijiao Pavilion to pay homage to ancestors and invite water and fire."
7. "臺南學甲上白礁" [Tainan Xujia Shangbaijiao] (in Chinese). Radio Taiwan International. 2024-04-14. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "每一年的上白礁活動及四年一科的刈香從未間斷，也呈現學甲慈濟宮保存傳統祭祀儀典的努力，以及三百多年來各方信眾自發性、持續性地參與，具諸多在地特色，例如儀式性的宮內祭典、白礁亭祭典、將軍溪畔的「請水火香」；香陣隊伍中的輦宮文化、真人藝閣、文武陣頭，宋江陣、蜈蚣陣、報馬牛、藝陣;各庄頭與信眾設置點心站等。"
  From Google Translate: "The annual Shangbaijiao activities and the four-year incense cutting have never stopped, which also reflects the efforts of Xuejia Tzu Chi Palace to preserve the traditional sacrificial rituals, as well as the spontaneous and continuous efforts of believers from all walks of life for more than three hundred years. Participation has many local characteristics, such as the ceremonial palace ceremony, Baijiao Pavilion Festival, "inviting water, fire and incense" by the Jiangjun River; the chariot palace culture, real people's art pavilion, civil and military formations, Songjiang formation in the incense array , Centipede Formation, Bao Ma Niu, Art Formation; each village head and believers set up refreshment stations, etc."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Xuejia Shangbaijiao (traditional Chinese: 學甲上白礁; simplified Chinese: 学甲上白礁) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The policies say that articles containing flaws should not be deleted if they can be improved. Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion says, If editing can address all relevant reasons for deletion, this should be done rather than deleting the page. Wikipedia:Editing policy#Wikipedia is a work in progress: perfection is not required says, Perfection is not required: Wikipedia is a work in progress. Collaborative editing means that incomplete or poorly written first drafts can evolve over time into excellent articles. Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome. Cunard (talk) 09:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cunard My one concern is your reliance on Google Translate for a non-Latin based writing system. Google Translate has gotten more accurate throughout the years, but given that languages arose from natural intelligence, I'm still hesitant to rely on artificial intelligence/machine translation.

However, I still encourage you to add the sources to the article, particularly if you know just enough Chinese to know the translations are reliable. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 09:14, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wu Sing-yung

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Seemingly written by someone close to the subject, fails WP:PROF. Remsense ‥ 论 08:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm finding IS ∩ RS ∩ SIGCOV at this 2016 article, this 2016 article, and this 2023 article; IS RS discussion of his work without SIGCOV at this 2009 article and this 2019 article; and an RS SIGCOV 2012 interview which I'd consider to be IS as well even though interviews are sometimes borderline.
Fails NPROF for sure, but looks like he meets NAUTHOR (or maybe it's ANYBIO or GNG; notability guidelines confuse me). The article is a bit curriculis vitae (which is probably the wrong declension, but "CV" tends to mean "copyvio" here so expanding); this can be fixed. Not super convinced by COI hypothesis: this article is indeed the first major contribution by Singering88, but a. creating it as their userpage is a fair and common rookie mistake; and b. the subject was born 1939, lived in and was educated in Taiwan, then emigrated to the US— at no point in this chain would it be intuitive that a COI editor would choose to render the subject's native name in 簡體字 (which it has been since the initial recension).
I could see a case here for COATRACK, since a fair portion of the prose actually deals with the subject's research into the Retreat of the government of the Republic of China to Taiwan. But I am seeing notability here, so landing at improve and keep. Folly Mox (talk) 16:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hoc simulat curriculum vitae, perhaps? —David Eppstein (talk) 19:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. No GS profile but there seems to be substantial citations, top 410, 305, 265, 226, 169 and further ~five >100 citns, which makes a case for meeting PROF by citations for the thyroid hormone work. Seven mainstream published books are also likely to have generated enough reviews to meet AUTHOR. The article is probably readily salvageable simply by deleting all the unrelated material. If there was COI originally, the article was submitted to AfC and accepted by DGG, so that's not a reason for deletion. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of serving generals of the People's Republic of China

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This list purports to include all "serving generals of the PRC", but in fact only lists 7 generals occupying some key posts. It's not at all clear that a list of all active generals in an army of 2,000,000+ personnel could ever be kept up to date. I'm not even sure that China publishes the names of all top officers.

Renaming could be an option, but it's not clear what the name would be.

Additionally, it's not really Wikipedia's core mission to provide lists of current anythings (WP:NOTDIRECTORY, WP:NOTTEMPORARY). I could imagine a more appropriate list which included all historic commanders, and gave readers a timeline of command, but that's not what this is.

FWIW, the list has been unreferenced since its inception, although I imagine this deficiency could be remedied easily enough. pburka (talk) 00:20, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep at present. Passes WP:NLIST as a clearly defined set. Also top military personnel in a major world power would be easily sourced. Making arguments about WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NOTTEMPORARY would be more convincing if there weren't many other lists of this kind. We have a Category:Lists of active duty military personnel and the arguments being made here seem to be pertinent to all the lists currently in that category. It would be better to make this a bundled nomination if we are going to generally attack the idea of pages listing active duty military personnel. I suspect that when looked at as a group, there might be support for keeping such lists as encyclopedic. Lastly, the other argument that this is incomplete is spurious as we have policies on dynamic and incomplete lists as well as stub pages which support their inclusion and instruct editors to improve/expand coverage rather than delete them. Being incomplete is not a valid reason for deletion.4meter4 (talk) 00:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the thoughtful contribution. I shouldn't argue that the list is incomplete, but that it's ill-defined. It's not a list of all current generals, but a list of generals in selected important posts. There's no explanation of why these posts were included, and I don't see any reliable sources discussing this group of officers. However, if the content were changed to match the title, I still think it could be problematic. It's difficult to even find an estimate of how many PLA generals there are. Regarding the WP:OTHERSTUFF, we have more complete lists of the general staffs of America, Bangladesh, Britain, India, and Pakistan. I also question the encyclopedic value of these, but only brought the Chinese list to AfD because of its other deficiencies. pburka (talk) 14:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This list cannot stay the way it is. The scope given by its title is too broad and doesn't match the far more limited scope of its content. If it did, it would basically duplicate List of generals of China. Either we should move to List of current Chinese military leaders or something similar, or we should merge to List of generals of China. Toadspike [Talk] 10:28, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The similar lists at Category:Lists of active duty military personnel all have a more limited scope than this one. If this list is kept in some form, it should probably be split by rank and/or branch. Toadspike [Talk] 10:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Zero sources. The creator of this has been indef blocked "(Clearly not here to contribute to the encyclopedia. Numbers do not match citations...this is intentional.)" I didn't look through all his lists etc, but don't need to. The People's Republic of China has more than a billion population. It's not even reasonable to believe they could have only 7 generals. Also, there are different levels of generals within any military. — Maile (talk) 04:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - For the reasons above, and because we already have various articles that already list this material, just to give a couple of examples. Smallangryplanet (talk) 13:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wuzhen Initiative

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Likely violates WP:NPOV. Does not appear to meet notability requirements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildfireupdateman (talk • contribs) 19:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Selective Merge to World Internet Conference#Summits#2nd World Internet Conference per WP:ATD. On its own not independently notable, but this was the end product of the 2nd World Internet Conference so it is reasonably covered there. The secondary sources that are still accessible can be used to verify content, and whoever does the merge can remove any overly promotional content in order to comply with WP:NPOV. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per 4meter4's comment. Encoded Talk 💬 14:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kingston International School (Hong Kong)

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Named international school, there are no sources in both local and foreign media. This article serves only to promote the school. Searched for secondary, independent reliable sources but nothing was found Mekomo (talk) 05:01, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Kowloon Tong#Education per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOME. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:37, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a source from a news outlet. Bobbysteinn (talk) 15:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Gets mentioned in a few books. Most are directories. this one has a little more [5] Confirms information about when it was built and when primary classes started. But it is only up to primary, and although that source is something, it is not at ORGDEPTH and doesn't allow an article to be written. Some books are in Cantonese. I cannot read this [6] or this [7] for instance, but going by the layout, I think they are directories. But that does suggest that there may be more information in Cantonese than is easily searchable. The school is not old, is primary only and doesn't appear to be large. I am leaning redirect per CanonNi. I'll leave it a few days to see if anyone can find sources in Cantonese though. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:
All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)
Sources
1. "新生須繳7.2萬不會退還「發展費」　國際學校搶錢" [New students have to pay HK$72,000 in "development fees" that will not be refunded. International school is robbing money]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). 2011-06-23. p. A12.
  The article notes: "不少國際學校設有學校債券、資本費，大部份可轉讓或學生畢業時退還，但位於九龍塘的京斯敦國際學校（Kingston International School）被指近日向幼稚園家長發「搶錢」通告，即將於2012/13年入讀該校小學的學生家長，需一次過繳7.2萬元不能退還、不得轉讓的「學校發展費」，引來家長極度不滿，紛紛向教育局求助。"
  From Google Translate: "Many international schools have school bonds and capital fees, most of which are transferable or refundable when students graduate. However, Kingston International School in Kowloon Tong was accused of issuing a policy to kindergarten parents recently. The "money grabbing" notice requires parents of students who will enroll in the school's primary school in 2012/13 to pay a one-time non-refundable and non-transferable "school development fee" of NT$72,000. Parents are extremely dissatisfied and have complained to the Education Bureau to ask for help."
  The article notes: "京斯敦國際學校是本港首間獲IB組織國際認可的幼稚園，自2001年起引進為3至12歲學生而設的國家文憑（小學計畫），屬九龍塘區內出名的貴族學校之一，校方著重學生英語和國語訓練主導，名字雖為國際學校，但事實上學校外地生人數不足三成半，幼兒園學費每年學費高達82,500元。"
  From Google Translate: "Kingston International School is the first kindergarten in Hong Kong to be internationally recognized by the IB organisation. Since 2001, it has introduced the National Diploma (Primary School Program) for students aged 3 to 12 years old. It is one of the famous aristocratic schools in Kowloon Tong District. , the school focuses on student English and Mandarin training. Although the name is an international school, in fact the number of non-local students in the school is less than 35%, and the annual kindergarten tuition is as high as HK$82,500."
2. "報熱門國際學校宜循幼園升小學耀中京斯敦要求雙語好" [Popular International Schools: Parents Should Plan from Kindergarten to Primary School. Yew Chung and Kingston Require Bilingual Proficiency]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2003-09-26. p. F5.
  The article notes: "九六年創立的京斯敦國際學校，初期只辦幼兒園，兩年前開辦小學部，目前有六班，由一年級至三年級共八十五名學生，老師人數為十三人，其中逾半數為外籍英語老師，師生比例低至一對七，充分發揮小班教學優點。... 教學特色方面，該校以英語及國語為教學語言，採雙班主任制，課程使用IB-PYP (國際文憑組織小學課程) ，中文及英文科不設課本，由老師自編課程。"
  From Google Translate: "Kingston International School, founded in 1996, only offered kindergarten at the beginning. It opened a primary school two years ago. It currently has six classes, with a total of 85 students in grades one to three. There are 13 teachers, including more than Half of the students are foreign English teachers, and the teacher-student ratio is as low as one to seven, giving full play to the advantages of small class teaching. ... In terms of teaching features, the school uses English and Mandarin as the teaching languages, adopts a double-teacher system, and uses the IB-PYP (International Baccalaureate Organization Primary School Curriculum) for its courses. There are no textbooks for Chinese and English subjects, and the teachers write their own courses."
3. "京斯敦國際學校訂創新教學計劃" [Kingston International School sets innovative teaching plan]. Ta Kung Pao (in Chinese). 2001-02-07. p. B4.
  The article notes: "將於今年七月開幕的京斯敦國際學校﹐將會是全港首間推行名為『小學計畫課程』的創新教學計畫的學校。位於九龍塘窩打老道的校舍﹐把原本位於金巴倫道的京斯敦幼稚園亦同時遷入該校舍中。金巴倫道舊址則成為京斯敦幼兒園﹐培育一歲至兩歲的小朋友。京斯敦國際學校為全港首間小學引入國際文憑組織發展﹐名為'小學計畫課程'的革新教學模式﹐"
  From Google Translate: "Kingston International School, which will open in July this year, will be the first school in Hong Kong to implement an innovative teaching plan called the "IB Primary Years Programme". The school building is located on Waterloo Road in Kowloon Tong. Kingston Kindergarten, which was originally located on Jimbaran Road, was also moved into the school building at the same time. The former site on Jimbaran Road became the Kingston Kindergarten, nurturing children between the ages of one and two. Kingston International School is the first primary school in Hong Kong to introduce an innovative teaching model developed by the International Baccalaureate Organisation called the 'IB Primary Years Programme'."
4. "京斯敦申第四個九龍塘校舍" [Kingston's fourth Kowloon Tong campus]. Ming Pao Daily News (in Chinese). 2021-06-24. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "Sheen Wealth International Limited由1994年起在九龍塘區營辦京斯敦幼兒園∕京斯敦國際幼稚園及京斯敦國際學校(低小及高小)，現有3個校舍，據城規會文件，會申請第四個校舍，地點前身是朗思國際幼稚園，該校去年夏天停辦。"
  From Google Translate: "Sheen Wealth International Limited has been operating Kingston Kindergarten/Kingston International Kindergarten and Kingston International School (lower primary and upper primary) in Kowloon Tong District since 1994. It currently has three school buildings. According to the Town Planning Board documents, it will Applying for a fourth school building, the site was formerly the Lance International Kindergarten, which closed last summer."
5. "明星最愛的十大幼稚園" [Top 10 Favourite Kindergartens of Celebrities]. 今日早報 [Early Morning News] (in Chinese). 2012-09-07. p. B7.
  The article notes: "
  The article notes: "3、京斯敦國際學校　　地點：香港每班學生不超過22人，每班有一位英語和國語老師擔任班主任。家長要報名，要去學校親自領報名表或以郵寄方式索取。申請通過後，學校會安排家長參觀。家長需在參觀當日繳交報名費港幣1500元（不會退回），再來才是學生面試。小朋友須懂英文或國語，而新生入學，除了學費，還要繳「學校發展費」。 ... 明星家長：方中信"
  From Google Translate: "3. Kingston International School. Location: Hong Kong. There are no more than 22 students in each class, and each class has an English and Mandarin teacher as the class teacher. To register, parents must go to the school to pick up the registration form in person or obtain it by mail. After the application is approved, the school will arrange a visit for parents. Parents need to pay the registration fee of HK$1,500 (non-refundable) on the day of the visit, and then the student interview will take place. Children must understand English or Mandarin, and new students must pay a "school development fee" in addition to tuition fees. ... Celebrity Parent: Alex Fong"
6. "京斯敦國際學校校園地圖王" [Kingston International School Campus Map King]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2004-06-05. p. 69.
  The article notes: "校舍樓高兩層，6間課室及電腦室集中於上層；特別室則設於地下，包括：音樂室、美勞室、圖書館、醫療室及3間多用途課室。禮堂鋪了運動場專用彈性地板，雨天時體育課會移師至禮堂進行。戶外運動場設有賽跑道，亦可轉作球場，另有簡單兒童遊樂設施。"
  From Google Translate: "The school building is two stories high, with 6 classrooms and computer rooms concentrated on the upper floor; special rooms are located on the ground floor, including: music room, art room, library, medical room and 3 multi-purpose classrooms. The auditorium is equipped with a special elastic floor for sports fields, and physical education classes will be moved to the auditorium on rainy days. The outdoor sports ground has a racing track, which can also be converted into a golf course, and there are simple children's play facilities."
7. "京斯敦國際學校中西並重" [Kingston International School: Balancing Eastern and Western Cultures]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2004-06-05.
  The article notes: "京斯敦國際學校於2001年創立，是為了延續幼兒園及國際幼兒園提供的整全雙語教學而開辦，幼兒園及幼兒園則已開辦了8年。京斯敦國際學校是全港首間採用「國際文憑組織小學計畫課程」（IBO-PYP）的小學，今年3月更成為國際文憑組織授權的IB學校，提供國際認可的小學課程；同時亦是全港首間獲HKQAA頒發的ISO9002優質管理認證文憑的國際學校。"
  From Google Translate: "Kingston International School was founded in 2001 to continue the comprehensive bilingual teaching provided by kindergarten and international kindergarten, which have been in operation for 8 years. Kingston International School is the first primary school in Hong Kong to adopt the International Baccalaureate Organization Primary Years Program (IBO-PYP). In March this year, it became an IB school authorized by the International Baccalaureate Organization, providing internationally recognized primary school curriculum; it also It is the first international school in Hong Kong to obtain the ISO9002 Quality Management Certification Diploma issued by HKQAA."
8. Less significant coverage:
  1. "【教育要聞】國際學校本地生比例續增至25%" [[Education News] The proportion of local students in international schools continues to increase to 25%]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2019-04-11. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
    The article notes: "六所國際學校中，本地生比例最高的是京斯敦國際學校，有百分之七十四點七，即在二百五十七名學生中，有一百九十二人是本地生"
    From Google Translate: "Among the six international schools, Kingston International School has the highest proportion of local students, with 74.7%, or 192 out of 257 students, being local students."
  2. "大肚已鋪路入名校郭可盈谷B女做尖子" [Pregnant and Already Paving the Way to a Prestigious School: Kenix Kwok Helps Her Daughter Excel]. 突然一週 (in Chinese). 2011-09-09. pp. SW066–067.
    The article notes: "位於九龍塘金巴倫道的京斯敦幼兒園，是城中出名的學校，不少明星仔女爭住入，吳君如女兒陳是知亦是該校學生。其學費亦為全城之冠，幼兒園的課程，家長可選擇每星期上課日數，一般三至五天，每年學費八萬五千元，再加一萬五千按金，九百元報名費和雜費，每年超過十萬元。京斯敦國際學校最優勝有一條龍學校網，由幼兒園到幼兒園，小學以至中學，學生較易考入拔萃小學、瑪利諾修院學校、嘉諾撒聖瑪利學校。學校以國語和英語授課，每日有一小時由外國老師教授的英文課，課堂室外又有大型活動教室。"
    From Google Translate: "Kingston Nursery School, located on Kimball Road, Kowloon Tong, is a famous school in the city. Many celebrity children are vying to enter. Sandra Ng's daughter Jilian Chan is also a student of the school. Its tuition is also the highest in the city, kindergarten courses, parents can choose the number of days per week, usually three to five days, annual tuition $85,000, plus $15,000 deposit, $900 registration fee and miscellaneous expenses, more than $100,000 per year. Kingston International School has the best network of schools, from kindergarten to kindergarten, primary to secondary school, students are more likely to enter Prince Edward Primary School, Marino Convent School, Canossian St. Mary's School. The school teaches in Mandarin and English, with one hour a day of English lessons taught by foreign teachers and a large activity classroom outside the classroom."
  3. "英基21校「簡教中」" [21 English Schools "Teaching Chinese in Simplified Chinese"]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2018-06-12. p. F2.
    The article notes: "本港有五十三所國際學校，各校有彈性選取以繁體字或簡體字，教授中文課程。本報向不同學校查詢任教中文情況，本地生人數佔七成四的京斯敦國際學校，統一以繁體字教中文，學校暫未有計畫更改現行安排。英基學校協會屬下有二十二所學校，除啟新書院，其餘均為「簡教中」。"
    From Google Translate: "There are 53 international schools in Hong Kong. Each school has the flexibility to choose to teach Chinese courses in traditional Chinese or simplified Chinese. This newspaper inquired about the situation of teaching Chinese in different schools. Kingston International School, which has 74% local students, teaches Chinese in traditional Chinese characters. The school has no plans to change the current arrangement. There are 22 schools under the ESF Schools Association. Except for Kai Hsin College, the rest are all "simplified education secondary schools"."
  4. Tong, Hiu-ming 唐曉明 (2017-04-05). "有本港國際學校取錄本地學生人數超上限" [Some Local International Schools Admit More Local Students Than Allowed]. Ta Kung Pao (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
    The article notes: "其中不少學校更超收本地生，以京斯敦國際學校國際小學的情況最為嚴重，該校目前有254名學生，當中多達179人為本地生，佔比例70.5%。"
    From Google Translate: "Many of these schools have even admitted more local students than allowed, with the situation at Kingston International School Primary being the most serious. The school currently has 254 students, of which as many as 179 are local students, making up 70.5% of the total."
  5. "依山而建減成本空間多非標準校舍奪建築大獎". Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2003-03-17. p. A9.
    The article notes: "兩間非標準設計的校舍分別在香港建築師學會2002年度年獎中獲表揚 ... 獲得「會長獎狀」的九龍塘窩打老道「京斯敦國際學校」亦獲評判團高度評價，建築師利用不同色彩、圖案及透視效果，令學校外觀趣味盎然，激發學習創意，每個課室的牆壁及有公共空間的表面都可供學生展示藝術作品，建築費1720萬元，施工期僅5個月。"
    From Google Translate: "Two non-standard school buildings were commended in the 2002 Annual Awards of the Hong Kong Institute of Architects ... The "Kingston International School" on Waterloo Road, Kowloon Tong, which received the "President's Certificate", was also highly praised by the jury. The architects used different colors, patterns and perspective effects to make the school's appearance interesting and stimulate learning creativity. Each classroom The walls and public space surfaces can be used by students to display art works. The construction cost is HK$17.2 million and the construction period is only 5 months."
  6. Yamato, Yoko (2003). Education in the Market Place: Hong Kong's International Schools and Their Mode of Operation. Hong Kong: Comparative Education Research Centre, University of Hong Kong. p. 86. ISBN 978-962-8093-571. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via Google Books.
    The article notes: "Kingston International School, which used to be solely a kindergarten , started its primary school division in September 2001 with only Primary 1 pupils in addition to its preschool children. It constructed a new building which could take in full classes up to Primary 6. The development of Kingston International Primary School from a preschool was a new landmark in the expansion of the sector: kindergartens extended to primary schools with provision of a full primary school."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Kingston International School (traditional Chinese: 京斯敦國際學校; simplified Chinese: 京斯敦国际学校) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going with keep per Cunard. It's important to search for non-English sources. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anson Tsang

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Non-notable poker player. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per nomination. All coverage is sourced to poker stat databases and other poker news sites merely covering the events subject has taken part in. - Ratnahastin (talk) 00:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I found this book titled I Am a Gambler: The 73rd Industry that Disrupts Your Traditional Views on Gambling (Chinese: 我是牌手──顛覆您對賭博傳統看法的第七十三行業) published by https://www.red-publish.com/ that profiles him on pages 107–116. I found a few paragraphs of coverage in this article from Card Player. The other sources I found were sponsored sources from natural8 like this Chinese-language article and this English-language article. I think the book is a reliable source. His notability hinges on whether Card Player is also a reliable source. Cunard (talk) 08:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan related deletions

Yu Lun Eve Lin

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Contested draftification. Autobiography of a lesser known fashion designer. Clear COI issues, and a lack of notability is also evident. CycloneYoris ^talk! 23:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maybe keep. Just looking in the external links she has been the feature in stories by the BBC and Elle. For a fashion designer those don't at all seem trivial. I don't doubt there may be COI issues, but the sourcing already in the article as a cited reference or in the external links seems to meet WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 01:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm leaning towards re-draftification for now. Coverage might not be strong enough for WP:N.-KH-1 (talk) 05:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy, or WP:TBT, or face my brutally honest editing / stubification. This is not only a COI, but a clearly unfinished piece. That’s acceptable on LinkedIn, but WP:NOTFB. Bearian (talk) 06:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC) I’m not saying that a new article has to be perfect, but come on. Bearian (talk) 06:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. "新銳強勢發聲 Fresh Voice of Now / Eve Lin 設計師：林鈺倫" [Fresh Voice of Now / Designer: Lin Yulun]. Elle (in Chinese). 2014-08-18. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "『Back to 18』承擔下秋冬主題，不同形式的「跨界」，以成熟心理反向叛逆，是18歲的任性加上30歲的理智。推開配合和妥協，經典的襯衫從此不再安安靜靜，迷上了摺紙藝術的Eve Lin，秋冬用雙手摺出喧譁的幾何圖形，送到印度刷印網版製印花，生產屬於自己的布絲、雪紡，不走數位印花如照片般的高解析，而是透過手工的粗實形成感情豐富的復古風味。"
  From Google Translate: ""Back to 18" takes on the theme of autumn and winter, with different forms of "cross-border" and rebellion with a mature psychology. It is the willfulness of an 18-year-old combined with the rationality of a 30-year-old. Pushing aside coordination and compromise, classic shirts are no longer quiet. Eve Lin is obsessed with the art of origami. In autumn and winter, she folds noisy geometric shapes with her hands and sends them to India for screen printing to produce her own fabrics. Silk and chiffon do not use high-resolution digital printing like photos, but create an emotional retro flavor through the roughness of handwork. Now she knows more accurately what the rules of the game are for her."
2. YenLin (2015-11-03). "設計新世代 Young Powers／林鈺倫女性主義的男裝結構" [Designing the New Generation: Young Powers / Yu Lun Eve Lin: The Feminist Structure of Menswear]. men's uno男人誌 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "畢業自英國Central St. Martin的林鈺倫Eve Lin，2010年於英國倫敦自創同名品牌，受到英國男裝歷史文化以及製作技術的薰陶下，將極簡卻帶有女性優雅風格的想法，巧妙地套用在男裝的剪裁上，襯托出整個設計的質感以及她所追求的風格。"
  From Google Translate: "Eve Lin, who graduated from Central St. Martin in the UK, founded her own brand of the same name in London, UK in 2010. Influenced by the history, culture and production technology of British men's clothing, she skillfully applied the idea of minimalism but feminine elegance. The tailoring of men's clothing brings out the texture of the entire design and the style she pursues."
  The article notes that she was born in 1984 in Taiwan, received a master of fashion design at Central Saint Martins, was an intern at the Alexander McQueen studio in London, started a clothing brand called Eve Lin in 2009, and is a lecturer at Shih Chien University's department of fashion studies.
3. "台湾时装国际市场展风采" [Taiwan Fashion International Market Exhibition] (in Chinese). BBC. 2010-03-05. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "我最近在伦敦市中心的一个画廊（The Coningsby Gallery）就参观了来自台湾的女时装设计师林钰伦的时装展。来自台湾台中市的林钰伦从童年习画转而学习时装设计，去年取得在伦敦中央圣马丁设计艺术学院硕士学位，并成为该学院2009年唯一一位来自亚洲的女装硕士毕业生。早春之际，林钰伦受母校邀请，从台湾飞来伦敦参加新锐时装设计师秋冬女装作品展，她的时装展题为“All About Eve”。"
  From Google Translate: "I recently visited a fashion exhibition of Taiwanese fashion designer Lin Yu-lun at a gallery in central London (The Coningsby Gallery). Yu Lun Eve Lin, who is from Taichung, Taiwan, switched from painting to fashion design in her childhood. Last year, she obtained a master's degree from Central Saint Martins College of Art and Design in London and became the only Asian graduate of the college's women's fashion master's program in 2009. In early spring, Yu Lun Eve Lin was invited by her alma mater to fly from Taiwan to London to participate in the autumn and winter women's fashion exhibition of emerging fashion designers. Her fashion exhibition was titled "All About Eve"."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yu Lun Eve Lin (traditional Chinese: 林鈺倫; simplified Chinese: 林钰伦) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 00:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The policies say that articles containing flaws should not be deleted if they can be improved. Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion says, If editing can address all relevant reasons for deletion, this should be done rather than deleting the page. Wikipedia:Editing policy#Wikipedia is a work in progress: perfection is not required says, Perfection is not required: Wikipedia is a work in progress. Collaborative editing means that incomplete or poorly written first drafts can evolve over time into excellent articles. Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome. Cunard (talk) 00:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Syuejia Shang Baijiao and harvesting incense

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I'm not sure if this article would stay within draftspace if I moved it there, given that the creator just moved it all over the place. Not well sourced, and a WP:BEFORE search failed. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 02:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am the author of this page, and I sincerely apologize. I was trying to move this article to the main page, but due to an operational error, it was unintentionally moved to two or three other locations. Later, I found the correct way to transfer it to the Wikipedia main page. Sources have now been properly cited. ALFART3594 (talk) 15:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Sources are not in fact properly cited. Two sources in a wall of text is not proper citation, as any college student should know. 30 paragraphs of text are completely unsourced, as are three long lists. I don’t mean to be rude, but anyone who’s ever read a Good Wikipedia article knows that this isn’t one. Please start over from scratch. Bearian (talk) 05:50, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there is an unbolded Keep here from the article creator so Soft Deletion would not be appropriate. But without some policy-based reasons to Keep this article, it looks like it might be heading towards Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Yang, Kate (June 2004). "The Emperor and the Centipede". Taiwan Panorama. Translated by Mayer, David. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "At the end of the ceremony, they always draw water from Chiangchun Creek to symbolize their awareness that "when drinking water, one must remember the source," i.e. be grateful, in this case to their ancestors for pioneering the land that is now their home. The proceedings at the pavilion are referred to as "visiting Baijiao." When the faithful "visit Baijiao," they worship both a god and their ancestors. The ritual is unique among Taiwan's temple festivals in this sense. ... The visit to Baijiao takes place every year and wraps up in about a day, but once every four years Tsuchi Temple elects a new board of trustees and supervisors, and the occasion is marked by the Hsuehchia festival. The main difference between the big festival and the visit to Baijiao is that the procession doesn't just go from Tsuchi Temple to Paichiao Pavilion."
2. Chang, Jung-hsiang 張榮祥 (2024-07-17). "國家重要民俗「學甲上白礁」連3天海內外宮廟雲集" [National Important Folk Custom 'Xuejia Shangbaijiao' Held for 3 Consecutive Days, Temples from Across Taiwan and Abroad Gather] (in Chinese). Central News Agency. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "國家重要民俗「學甲上白礁」刈香祭典，今天在台南市學甲慈濟宮登場，為期3天，海內外逾100座宮廟、藝陣雲集，鑼鼓喧天，信眾擠爆，熱鬧滾滾。保生大帝台灣開基祖廟學甲慈濟宮今天起一連3天舉辦國家重要民俗「學甲上白礁」刈香祭典，由前立法院長王金平擔任主祭官，菲律賓、馬尼拉、新加坡、香港、澳門等海外宮廟也參與這項宗教盛事。"
  From Google Translate: "The nationally important folklore "Xujia Shangbaijiao" Incense Cutting Ceremony was held today at the Xuejia Tzu Chi Palace in Tainan City. It lasted for three days. More than 100 palaces, temples and art formations from home and abroad gathered together. The gongs and drums were noisy, and the believers were crowded and lively. Roll. The Xuejia Tzu Chi Temple, the founder of Emperor Baosheng's ancestors in Taiwan, will hold the nationally important folklore "Xuejia Shangbaijiao" incense cutting ceremony for three consecutive days starting today. Former Legislative Yuan Wang Jinping will serve as the officiant. The Philippines, Manila, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Macau Overseas palaces and temples also participated in this religious event."
3. Huang, Chao-ch'in 黃朝琴 (2023-04-30). "重要民俗「學甲上白礁」授證文化資產永續流傳" [Important Folk Custom 'Xuejia Shangbaijiao' Certified, Cultural Heritage to be Passed Down Sustainably]. Youth Daily News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "臺南市「學甲上白礁」去年獲登錄列為國家重要民俗，「學甲慈濟宮」也同步被認定為保存者，今（30）日適逢「上白礁」謁祖祭典隆重登場，文化部頒授重要民俗認定證書，由慈濟宮代表接受，代表民俗文化資產永續流傳，展現臺灣深厚文化生命力。"
  From Google Translate: "Tainan City's "Xujia Shangbaijiao" was registered as a nationally important folk custom last year, and "Xuejia Tzu Chi Palace" was also recognized as a preserver. Today (30th) coincides with the grand debut of the "Shangbaijiao" ancestor worship ceremony. , the Ministry of Culture awarded the Certificate of Important Folklore Recognition, which was accepted by the representative of Tzu Chi Palace, representing the sustainable spread of folk cultural assets and demonstrating the profound cultural vitality of Taiwan."
  The article notes: "「學甲上白礁」從清代發展至今，雖隨著時代演變，但祭典儀式、香境香路及各十三庄宮廟自組之藝閣、陣頭迄今仍維持一定的傳統性，並富含在地文化特色，如儀式性的宮內祭典、白礁亭謁祖祭典；"
  From Google Translate: ""Xuejia Shangbaijiao" has been developed since the Qing Dynasty. Although it has evolved with the times, the rituals, the incense road and the art pavilions and formations organised by each of the Thirteen Village Palaces and Temples have still maintained a certain degree of tradition. It is also rich in local cultural characteristics, such as the ceremonial palace ceremony and the ancestor worship ceremony at Baijiao Pavilion;"
4. Chuang, Yao-tsung 莊曜聰; Chen, I-wei 陳苡葳 (2024-04-18). "台南「學甲上白礁」3天遶境蜈蚣陣揭序幕" [Tainan 'Xuejia Shangbaijiao' 3-Day Procession, Centipede Formation Kicks Off the Event]. United Daily News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "國家重要民俗「學甲上白礁」昨起為期3天遶境，共有來自海內外105間宮廟及上百文武陣頭、藝閣共襄盛舉，打頭陣是唯一以人力扛抬的蜈蚣陣，因少子化、人力難覓還差點開天窗，在各方支持下總算順利出陣。"
  From Google Translate: "The nationally important folk custom "Xujia Shangbaijiao" started yesterday for a three-day tour. A total of 105 palaces and temples from home and abroad and hundreds of civil and military formation leaders and art pavilions participated in the grand event. The leading formation is the only centipede formation that is carried manually. Due to the declining birthrate and the difficulty in finding manpower, we almost had to open the skylight. With the support of all parties, they finally got out of the battle successfully."
5. Wen, Cheng-heng 溫正衡 (2022-09-28). "台南300年歷史祭典「學甲上白礁」 9月獲登錄國家重要民俗" [Tainan's 300-Year-Old Festival 'Xuejia Shangbaijiao' Registered as a National Important Folk Custom in September] (in Chinese). Public Television Service. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "歷經1年停辦，1年縮小規模的學甲慈濟宮上白礁，今年4月9日到11日恢復舉辦，熱鬧非凡。活動中不只有傳統藝陣、廟方還上將軍溪畔舉辦「上白礁」謁祖祭典，象徵飲水思源、不忘本精神，而今年9月更通過文化部審議，成為國家重要民俗。"
  From Google Translate: "After a year of suspension and a year of downsizing, the Tzu Chi Palace on Pedra Branca was resumed from 9 to 11 April April this year, and it was a bustling event. The event not only featured a traditional art array, but the temple also held a "Shangbaijiao" ancestor worship ceremony on the bank of the Shangjiang River, which symbolizes the spirit of drinking water to remember the source and not forgetting one's roots. In September this year, it was approved by the Ministry of Culture and became an important national folk custom."
6. Wang, Han-ping 王涵平 (2024-04-17). "國家重要民俗「學甲上白礁」今起遶境 105間宮廟參與" [National Important Folk Custom 'Xuejia Shangbaijiao' Begins Procession Today, 105 Temples Participate]. Liberty Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "國家重要民俗「學甲上白礁」遶境祭典今起為期3天，來自國內外105間宮廟參與，蜈蚣陣出發遶境，大批信眾湧入爭拿神童賜福糖果、鑽轎腳，19日將至頭前寮白礁亭謁祖、請水火。"
  From Google Translate: "The nationally important folklore "Xuejia Shangbaijiao" circumambulation festival will last for three days today. 105 palaces and temples from home and abroad are participating. Centipede formations set out to circumambulate the territory, and a large number of believers poured in to compete for the blessing of the child prodigy. Candies, diamonds on sedan chairs, and the 19th is about to arrive at Touqian Liao Baijiao Pavilion to pay homage to ancestors and invite water and fire."
7. "臺南學甲上白礁" [Tainan Xujia Shangbaijiao] (in Chinese). Radio Taiwan International. 2024-04-14. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "每一年的上白礁活動及四年一科的刈香從未間斷，也呈現學甲慈濟宮保存傳統祭祀儀典的努力，以及三百多年來各方信眾自發性、持續性地參與，具諸多在地特色，例如儀式性的宮內祭典、白礁亭祭典、將軍溪畔的「請水火香」；香陣隊伍中的輦宮文化、真人藝閣、文武陣頭，宋江陣、蜈蚣陣、報馬牛、藝陣;各庄頭與信眾設置點心站等。"
  From Google Translate: "The annual Shangbaijiao activities and the four-year incense cutting have never stopped, which also reflects the efforts of Xuejia Tzu Chi Palace to preserve the traditional sacrificial rituals, as well as the spontaneous and continuous efforts of believers from all walks of life for more than three hundred years. Participation has many local characteristics, such as the ceremonial palace ceremony, Baijiao Pavilion Festival, "inviting water, fire and incense" by the Jiangjun River; the chariot palace culture, real people's art pavilion, civil and military formations, Songjiang formation in the incense array , Centipede Formation, Bao Ma Niu, Art Formation; each village head and believers set up refreshment stations, etc."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Xuejia Shangbaijiao (traditional Chinese: 學甲上白礁; simplified Chinese: 学甲上白礁) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The policies say that articles containing flaws should not be deleted if they can be improved. Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion says, If editing can address all relevant reasons for deletion, this should be done rather than deleting the page. Wikipedia:Editing policy#Wikipedia is a work in progress: perfection is not required says, Perfection is not required: Wikipedia is a work in progress. Collaborative editing means that incomplete or poorly written first drafts can evolve over time into excellent articles. Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome. Cunard (talk) 09:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cunard My one concern is your reliance on Google Translate for a non-Latin based writing system. Google Translate has gotten more accurate throughout the years, but given that languages arose from natural intelligence, I'm still hesitant to rely on artificial intelligence/machine translation.

However, I still encourage you to add the sources to the article, particularly if you know just enough Chinese to know the translations are reliable. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 09:14, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]