Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Punti

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Jdcomix (talk) 01:51, 24 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Punti

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This is an odd article. Some of it seems to be on the term Punti/本地/Boon Dei, content better suited for Wiktionary. Some of it is on the people but it is unclear if the people described are any different from Cantonese people (see its lead). the history section is anecdotal and unsourced, so does not really clarify this. In fact the whole thing is unsourced, except for what looks like a mention in a work on another topic for the definition. JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 21:09, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 21:15, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Punti-Hakka Clan Wars article as background information on Punti, excluding some of the unsourced materials. STSC (talk) 06:53, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- That makes sense. Looking at what’s on other WP sites, the two Chinese language sites have stubs which are just definitions, and have fuller articles on the wars, while the Russian WP has a long article on which looks like the wars, and no separate article. Punti-Hakka Clan Wars seems to include all the encyclopaedic content already, I don’t know if there is anything else here to merge to that article – the definition could probably go on wiktionary.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 15:29, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, the article is improperly sourced and I'm unable to locate significant coverage, thus making it unverifiable. Oppose merge to Punti-Hakka Clan Wars, since that article too seems to be in bad shape. - TheMagnificentist 09:18, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 11:10, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:14, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 02:35, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Could someone who knows how to do so please move this into the sublisting for Hong Kong-related articles? It's clearly a HK topic as it stands, and this discussion might be missed by editors who go straight to the HK part. Matt's talk 09:11, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:55, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:56, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While I loathe relisting a fourth time, the discussion has only yesterday been listed in the appropriate delsort lists and we should allow people reading those lists time to actually comment here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 12:18, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and downscope or redirect Cantonese people. As an endonym meaning "locals" its definition is understandably ambiguous. Modern use of "Punti" is mainly promoted by Hong Kong History Museum and refers to a Hong Kong-centric ethnic group, mainly represented by the Cantonese-speaking indigenous (pre-1897) population of Hong Kong, as opposed to the boat-dwellers (Tanka), Hoklos and Hakkas. Under Hong Kong law, "Punti" as an ethnic group refers strictly to Cantonese people who lived in Hong Kong before 1897, but might more widely refer to Cantonese people as a whole (e.g. Punti-Hakka Clan Wars) and "Punti" as a language designation is simply Hong Kong Cantonese. The cited book by Nicole Constable provides good context of the various uses of this term. Deryck C. 15:57, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.