Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue Jays–Rangers brawl

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Nakon 02:11, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Jays–Rangers brawl

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A single event; Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Although there is of course coverage in the news media (more than are currently in the article—some have been removed), there is no indication that this will have any lasting effects making it an encyclopedic topic. It can easily be covered, and in fact is currently better covered, at 2016 Toronto Blue Jays season (see Blue Jays–Rangers brawl) and 2016 Texas Rangers season (expand "Blue Jays–Rangers brawl" to match). Yngvadottir (talk) 18:29, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or redirect - This was a prominent bench-clearing brawl in Major League Baseball and Rangers/Blue Jays history. At a bare minimum, if the article cannot be kept, it should most definitely be redirected ~~to List of violent spectator incidents in sports.~~ This title is formatted in a manner similar to "Pacers–Pistons brawl", and will more than likely be a popular search term. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:37, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:40, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There is no long term notability here. This is a fight that will be talked about ad nauseam for the next few days and then forgotten. This is nowhere near as notable as Pacers/Pistons brawl.--Yankees10 19:10, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NOTNEWS, WP:RECENTISM. To compare this to the Pistons-Pacers brawl shows a lack of understanding of the significance of that particular fight, and the relative insignificance of this one. Redirecting to List of violent spectator incidents in sports makes no sense as well, since no spectators were involved in this fight. Bench-clearing brawls happen often enough, it takes something extra special, like Ron Artest attempting to fight fans, for it to deserve an article. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:12, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect (with conditions) Wikipedia isn't news. Wikipedia does not aim to compete with Twitter or Reddit. There is absolutely no need for there to be a separate article. 2016 Texas Rangers season, 2016 Toronto Blue Jays season, Rougned Odor, and José Bautista suffice. It can be redirected to Bench-clearing brawl and have a very short summary of each bench-clearing brawl, including those involving other teams in that article. Please don't redirect this to an article pertaining to a specific team, as it would not be good for fans of the other team. Neither Odor nor Bautista attacked fans, unlike Metta World Peace (known as Ron Artest at the time). Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 19:24, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. Such a generic term that it is not worth redirecting.—Bagumba (talk) 19:39, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per NOTNEWS and RECENTISM. Trut-h-urts man (T • C) 21:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no reason to think this was any more notable than many other baseball brawls that have occurred over the years and have no lasting impact. This can be mentioned in the season articles of each team (and perhaps the main combatants articles) if desired. But I don't even see a good redirect target, since it has a tiny bit of relevance to each of 4 articles. Rlendog (talk) 21:09, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is another baseball brawl that will be forgotten in a matter of weeks. Not deserving of a Wikipedia article in the slightest. sixtynine ^{• speak up •} 01:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Is it interesting among sports fans? Yes. Does it belong on Wikipedia? No. Wikipedia is not ESPN, a relatively minor sports brawl is not note-worthy enough for its own article. Will211 |Chatter 01:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A stub article with no context or reason for notability.→StaniStani 04:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Absolutely zero notability for this brawl and too vague to be redirect search term. Safiel (talk) 05:31, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The article has been expanded significantly since the start of this AFD. Two other articles to which this term could redirect are 2016_Texas_Rangers_season#Blue_Jays.E2.80.93Rangers_brawl and Violence in sports#Baseball. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It could also redirect to 2016 Toronto Blue Jays season as well. This is why I am not in favour of having this article redirect to a specific team article or a specific player article. However, I don't mind it being redirected to Bench-clearing brawl with additional context for other brawls involving other teams as well. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 02:17, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - @Johnny Au:, the fact that two major league baseball teams were involved is a reason for keeping the article. The incident took place in Texas, while 2016 Toronto Blue Jays season does not mention the incident. That being said, article Violence in sports#Baseball facilitates information about this incident quite well, and is a potentially good redirect target. @Muboshgu:, the term "Pacers–Pistons brawl" and "Blue Jays–Rangers brawl" are FORMATTED similarly, but are indeed not similar in notability. Furthermore, the term should be kept since redirects are cheap. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:43, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: 2016 Toronto Blue Jays season does indeed cover the incident - better than the standalone article, as I said in my deletion noimination. IMO 2016 Texas Rangers season should cover it similarly and that should be that. The argument against redirection is that a redirect can only take the reader to one article, and there is no obvious redirect target, since it is equally relevant to both teams' seasons. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:01, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - If "Blue Jays–Rangers brawl" redirects to Violence_in_sports#Baseball, people can click on the name of either of the teams to learn more about it. Additionally, the content from "Blue Jays–Rangers brawl" can be merged with Violence_in_sports#Baseball. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:18, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: That would be the most logical redirect without ticking the other team's fanbase off. Even better, Violence in baseball can be created and have this article redirect there. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 02:24, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - A pimple on the bum of the history of baseball. Delete per NOTNEWS. Carrite (talk) 18:51, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - NOTNEWS, RECENTISM, pretty much all of the other delete reasons given above. I don't feel a redirect is sufficient either. Tampabay721 (talk) 16:26, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
SNOW Delete as I'm aware of this but there's simply convincing for its own actual article, isolated event and nothing else. SwisterTwister talk 19:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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