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Inappropriate edit summaries - To warn or not to warn?

Hey Robert McClenon. I wanted a third opinion on this issue and didn't feel comfortable going to the Teahouse about it. There is a editor on Opinion polling for the 45th Canadian federal election who will frequently insert their opinions into edit summaries, often going (strangely) with "it's so Joever" or "Comeback" when adding new polls to the article. It certainly doesn't seem like the right use of edit summaries, and truthfully this user does not do it every time, but it seems like the user is relishing that the results of the polls indicate poor news for the incumbent government. I wonder if I'm just getting my knickers in a twist about this particular annoyance, as the user is for the most part an constructive member of the project. If I should address this issue, do I take it to the user's talk page or to the talk page of the Opinion polling article? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Bkissin (talk) 21:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

User:Bkissin - I would suggest that any discussion of the edit summaries be on the user's talk page, so as not to get any third parties involved. I don't know exactly what the connotation of Joever is meant to be, and I would suggest both asking what they mean by Joever and asking them why they think that this use of the edit summary is appropriate. I also was thinking that asking about questions about edit summaries might be an appropriate question at Village pump - Policy, but not if you have also expressed your concerns to the user, because then someone at the project page will check to see what page you are talking about. So I think that a question on the user's talk page would be reasonable. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Robert. I let it slide for a while until it came up again and then I finally tried to address it civilly at the User's talk and we'll see how it goes. Bkissin (talk) 19:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Can I ask your opinion on incivility?

Hi Robert, I was looking at the admin elections call for candidates, and I thought I recognized your name. I couldn't quite remember from where, so I looked at our talk page histories to see if either of us had ever left each other any messages, and I saw this brief and very old interaction. I'm writing because in that interaction, when I had reached out to you because you were listed at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Volunteers, my main concern was incivility, and that concern went completely ignored. It was over four years ago, so I'm not trying to ask exactly what happened. We are all busy, and I completely understand. I guess my question is, in general, what is your opinion on incivility on Wikipedia? Thank you, and good luck in your upcoming admin election. GrammarDamner how are things? 19:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Reply About Incivility

User:GrammarDamner - Civility is the fourth pillar of Wikipedia. It is not easy to define civility, which is not primarily a matter of the avoidance of certain offensive words, although the avoidance of those words is a very good idea. Civility includes treating other editors with respect. One known issue with electronic media is that some people don't automatically recognize that another source of words on the other side of the screen is also a human being with feelings, and so they don't use the same courtesy as they would in face-to-face conversation.

In re-looking at the 2020 issue, I think that the reason I ignored the concern about incivility is that you had come to me through DRN, the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard, and DRN is a content noticeboard, and civility is a conduct issue. Content issues and conduct issues are dealt with in Wikipedia by different procedures and different dispute resolution procedures. DRN is not a forum to discuss civility issues. Civility can be discussed at WP:ANI, preferably after the reporting party has read the boomerang essay.

On the English Wikipedia, I think that incivility problems fall into three main classes:

• 1. Clearly inappropriate posts, typically having the nature of personal attacks. These usually result in a block.
• 2. Editors who are not only rude, but appear to be not here to contribute to the encyclopedia, who don't seem to be here to work on the encyclopedia. They are almost always indeffed.
• 3. Experienced editors who are clearly working to contribute to the encyclopedia but who treat other editors disrespectfully. These editors are problematic because the community cannot agree on whether they are net negatives or net positives. They often have lengthy block logs consisting either of short blocks for incivility, or of long or indefinite blocks that are then lifted after discussion. There is no right answer about these editors.

Your dispute was with one of the third class of editors. This editor is something of a paradox, just as is the editor's user name.

My own opinion is that ArbCom, who have agreed to handle cases that the community cannot decide because it is divided, should accept cases about a few of the most troublesome of these editors and decide whether they are net negatives, and should be either banned or greatly restricted, or net positives when restricted. That is my opinion, and I don't think that it is generally agreed that ArbCom needs to handle such cases. Otherwise these editors will bother the community from time to time.

I think that sort of sums up my views on incivility in Wikipedia. There is a continuing problem with a few editors who are contributors, but who treat other editors with disrespect.

Robert McClenon (talk) 16:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Closure of Wudu Dispute

if you can kindly reopen the dispute on Wudu and give me the opportunity to respond. I have not abandoned it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nasserb786 (talk • contribs) 11:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

User:Nasserb786 - On the one hand, Rule A.11 says that you are required to respond to questions by the moderator within 48 hours. You had not responded within 72 hours after my previous post, and had not edited in that 72 hours. I do not keep cases open indefinitely for an editor who is taking a break from editing. So I acted within the rules in closing the dispute. On the other hand, I am willing to open a new dispute about Wudu if you give the other editor proper notice, and if they reply to the notice. So that is almost the same as reopening the case. If you open a new case and the other editor responds, we can start knowing what has already been said. So you are welcome to refile. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Bigg Boss 18 draft article moved to main page

i am requested you to please move the draft to the main page because I have all suitable references and the draft is fully ready so please check it and please move it to the main page 2000editor (talk) 15:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

User:2000editor - No! The title in article space is create-protected, also known as salted. I couldn't move the draft to mainspace even if I tried to move it. You may:

• Consult with other editors. Some of them have already advised you, on your talk page, to slow down.
• Make a request at Requests for protection to unprotect the title. It will probably be denied. They may advise you to consult with the protecting administrator.
• Consult with the protecting administrator, User:Liz. She may explain to you why your persistent requests to move the draft into article space have made it necessary for her to salt the title.

Robert McClenon (talk) 16:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hi,

I just wanted to let you know regarding the 15.ai dispute resolution case that you're mediating that the initiating editor User:Ltbdl was recently indefinitely blocked so will be unable to participate going forward. I do not how that factors into the issue of abandonment by filing party.

Cheers, Brocade River Poems (She/They) 00:21, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

I am unsure if this is the right place to put this, but I am part of the party that is invested in the dispute. Based off of the rules that the moderator showed me, I believe that as long as activity occurs every 48 hours, discussion regarding the dispute can still continue, only without the user. Please correct me if I am wrong. I would also like to encourage that you place a statement in the dispute, as you have made some talk topics on the talk page that could help with a dispute consensus.

On a less formal note, I am unsure of how disputes like this end, especially ones that take long times like this. If you have any advice for this dispute, that would be great. Thank you. Thought 1915 (talk) 01:37, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I would also like to encourage that you place a statement in the dispute, as you have made some talk topics on the talk page that could help with a dispute consensus.

I do not think the topics I have created factor into the current dispute. None of the topics I have created deal with the dispute about whether the website is under maintenance or abandoned. The issues I have brought up are deeper issues involving the history of the article and how it reached the state that it is currently in. Brocade River Poems (She/They) 01:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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Good luck with it, Robert. Drmies (talk) 01:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, User:LindsayH, User:Drmies - The insult was far less serious than some of the others. If I had been the only person being insulted, it wouldn't have been worth banning them. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Just noting that at the Queen of Sheba DRN Afrodiplomacy was a sock

Now blocked. Doug Weller talk 10:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Doug Weller. So the other editor was right about the filing editor. I didn't think it was useful to spend DRN time when there were conduct issues. Robert McClenon (talk) 10:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Sensible. Doug Weller talk 12:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

October music

story · music · places

My story today is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his Lamento. - My story on 13 October was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date (but Bach wrote it for the 20th Sunday, not the Tuesday after the 21st Sunday after Trinity). I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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Better review this and remove The Gatekeeper (2024 film) because there's no gatekeeper title yet only gatekeepers with an s. 122.55.235.127 (talk) 06:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Manchester, Calgary

1. Yes, it is an officially recognized neighbourhood of Calgary, Alberta. Multiple official City of Calgary websites list it as such, which I will provide a few examples below: - Calgary Administrative Boundaries Map (make sure to enable the "Community Districts" layer) - Community Profiles (calgary.ca) (search for the page titled "Manchester") - Data (calgarypolice.ca) - Phase 4 REALIZE Chinook Communities Local Area Plan | Chinook Communities Local Area Planning | Engage (calgary.ca)
2. As far as I am aware, Alyth/Bonnybrook/Manchester was a former community that consists of the modern day Calgary industrial communities of Alyth/Bonnybrook, Burns Industrial, Highfield Industrial, and Manchester Industrial. It was disambiguated sometime around 2006 into the modern day communities I listed. Manchester Industrial is an official community of it's own separate from Manchester or Alyth/Bonnybrook (being the industrial areas that surround Manchester), but is not the focus of the draft article.

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Request for Comment regarding Wolf

Hi, I'm one of the editors involved in the dispute regarding the addition of a sentence to the Wolf page. I didn't realize you were offering to assist in creating a Request for Comment, and I'd like to accept that offer after all. Nagging Prawn (talk) 22:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

User:Nagging Prawn - I will follow up within about the next 16 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

User:Nagging Prawn - Please provide me with the exact wording of the sentence that you want to add to the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

One wolf was even known to have eaten 181 Payette's short-winged grasshoppers in a single sitting.

Here it is, hope this suffices. Nagging Prawn (talk) 03:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

User:Nagging Prawn - A draft is available for review at: Talk:Wolf/RFC on Grasshoppers. Please review and comment. I will move the RFC to the talk page and activate it when we are satisfied. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm satisfied with this iteration of the RFC, thank you! Nagging Prawn (talk) 05:09, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

References

SATG Corp

Hi Robert,

I noticed this edit, where you made a table by hand to do a WP:NCORP source analysis. If you are interested, there is User:Red-tailed hawk/SATG CORP.js, a userscript that can help with generating these sorts of tables.

— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Red-tailed hawk, but I don't do that by hand. It only looks like I do it by hand. I do it in an Excel spreadsheet, and then use the Excel2wiki gadget: [1]. I will take a quick look, but I will probably continue to use the Excel2wiki gadget. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:56, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah! Well, in that case, my apologies for the intrusion. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

No problem, User:Red-tailed hawk. Now we both know that there are at least two ways to simplify developing a cleanly formatted source analysis table. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

DRN on face masks... it's like stuck pixels. Also I need a break.

• sigh* I don't know how I couldn't have seen this sooner. After reading the post from Retraction Watch, as well as a few papers... that mislink is like a freaking stuck pixel. And... of course... there's no consensus on what to do whenever this happens. I mean, how do people react to stuck pixels.

Which, like the occasional defective monitor that comes out of the factory, science is going to have the occasional misrepresented source. The question is whether it's just an accident or indicative of something else (like The Bell Curve).

If I ever come back to this, I think it might be worth going to a village pump, since it's likely multiple policies are going to be affected. In the meantime, I'd like to take a bit of a break and close this DRN. Reason: I just read the latest CIDRAP headline. Combined with some climate news I'm reading, as well as my other work, I think it might be prudent for my sanity to put this on ice.

I'll leave it up to you and others whether to close or suspend it. ⸺(Random)staplers 05:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Meri Guriya

Hey, Thank you for your time on Draft:Meri Guriya but the one you mentioned is a 2017 serial and the draft is of show of same name aired in 2022.182.182.96.218 (talk) 182.182.96.218 (talk) 12:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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I just wanted to let you know that your comment at the Big Ben move review (not DRV) came across as personal. It makes no odds to me whether you endorse the closure or not, that's entirely your own prerogative. However, comments are supposed to be policy-based and focus on the reason for closure and instead you've implied I'm wasting everyone's time.

I opened the discussion in good faith and I opened the move review in good faith, not to waste editor time. A.D.Hope (talk) 00:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Faults and Shear Structures of The Bushveld Igneous Complex

Thanks for your review and comments relating to the draft “Faults and Shear Structures of The Bushveld Igneous Complex”. The draft was written purposely to be included into the Bushveld Lemma and I reviewwed and edited the draft before submission. I incorporated this student’s work into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushveld_Igneous_Complex now. You might want to review now and, if necessary, make it correct Wikipedan style. Thanks. C.wolke (talk) 12:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

User:C.wolke, User:Nev.vorster - Was this submission part of a class project? Are there other students in the class working on other drafts or articles? Articles for Creation is not a procedure for review of additions or changes to existing articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Daria Lodikova

Greetings, Robert. I note that you sent this article to AfD last year at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daria Lodikova. It was draftified but the author moved it back shortly after, without much apparent improvement. Do you believe that the current version of this article addresses the issues that led you to sending this to AfD last year? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:19, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

User:Spiderone - Yes. I nominated it for AFD because it only had one source, which did not establish general notability, and the article did not satisfy the presumption of tennis notability. The originator has added multiple sources. I haven't analyzed the sources and am not planning to analyze the sources, but the sources very likely do establish general notability. I wanted it sent to draft space to improve the sourcing, and the sourcing appears to have been improved. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:46, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

No problem at all. Sounds like it served its purpose. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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Draft:Saving Grace (Philippine TV series)

How is still considered too soon if the series will release next week on Prime Video.

Source: https://trendrod.wordpress.com/2024/10/29/julia-montes-sharon-cuneta-comeback-series-saving-grace-heads-to-prime-video-this-november/ 122.55.235.127 (talk) 02:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

It will release next week. It hasn't been reviewed. Notability is based on significant coverage by reliable sources, such as reviews. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Now, that is starting to make sense. I was going to ask that IP user about when it is ready for resubmission, and I'm the one who created the draft article.[2] So, we need to wait until after the show airs next week to resubmit the draft article for review, and we have to provide additional reliable sources besides ABS-CBN, which is considered an original research, as references when expanding the article before that. JRGuevarra (talk) 04:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

It will be hard because there are times a series or a movie is out but only ABS-CBN is the only source not a lot of additional sources. It's only often you get these addtional sources. :( 122.55.235.127 (talk) 06:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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User:BrocadeRiverPoems - Thank you for notifying me. I have no opinion at this time on whether the article should be deleted, because I have not at this time done a source review. I have no opinion on whether RocketKnightX is associated with the sockpuppets and sockpuppeteers and have no plan to file a sockpuppet report. However, I do have an opinion that RocketKnightX has exhausted the patience of the community. I have proposed that they be banned. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:New Horizon

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "New Horizon".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Liz - This was even sillier than many of the G13 messages that I get. The G13 messages are often because I disambiguated a draft, which creates a redirect of which I am the creator. But in this case it says that I created the redirect in 2020. Well, well. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:49, 11 December 2024 (UTC)