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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aniq Raushan

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 5 games in Singapore. Geschichte (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aiman Zavyan

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 298 minutes in Singapore. Geschichte (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails GNG and Sportcrit. Sources won't help much. Old-AgedKid (talk) 08:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hariysh Krishnakumar

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 168 minutes in Singapore. Geschichte (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 00:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shahrulnizam Mazlan

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 10 games in Singapore. Geschichte (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaziosmanpaşaspor

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Talk page suggests it be considered for deletion Chidgk1 (talk) 16:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, no reason to delete. Third-level club with lots of coverage during many years. Geschichte (talk) 17:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per Geschichte, needs improving not deleting. Giant Snowman 18:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per Geschichte. Svartner (talk) 00:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably keep Although I find it a little odd I wasn't so good at finding the best sources, but again just because there are no sources on an article, doesn't mean they don't exist. Perfect example of WP:NEXIST. Govvy (talk) 14:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Plenty of coverage by news and other publications, some of which are on Google Books and Scholar Aintabli (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep‎. Withdrawn. asilvering (talk) 23:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2016–17 Turkish Cup

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There is certainly a lot of numerical data here but unfortunately the only reference is one of the regulations not the scores Chidgk1 (talk) 16:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, highly notable. Do you know what the Turkish cup is? Geschichte (talk) 17:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did not know what the Turkish Cup is but the article on it is a reasonable size, so I cannot see the point of keeping this article as the scores in it are not sourced Chidgk1 (talk) 04:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - the national cup competition in Turkey, clearly notable - nominator has not done a BEFORE. Giant Snowman 18:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly the Turkish Cup is notable and that article already has many stats including scores in the finals Chidgk1 (talk) 04:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Passes on WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Snow keep Really now, like GS said, just do a WP:BEFORE, yes the article lacks sources, but that by no means does not make it a notable competition. Govvy (talk) 10:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy Finding a source for the preliminary, 1, 2 and 3 rounds and checking it against the article might be easy for you but it is not for me Chidgk1 (talk) 11:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What are you wanting exactly? You can mirror the scores, like this one with soccerway, that can be used as a citation for stats, then you have sources like tntsport, [1]. There are Turkish news services which I don't use where you can also pick sources from, but sorry Chidgk1, I feel this is a bad nomination and not thought out. Regards. Govvy (talk) 12:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All the results are now sourced. As the only reason given for nomination was that the results were not sourced, can we now close this.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes thanks very much Chidgk1 (talk) 06:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Article creator has been unable to convince anyone else that this player is notable. asilvering (talk) 20:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oleksandr Pshenychnyuk

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New sources are either from the league in which he plays or are basic WP:ROUTINE coverage about a specific game with no meaningful coverage of the player himself. This is not WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 15:50, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The new sources (sport.ua/2024-09-14, ua-football.com/2024-09-15) have nothing to do with the league (UPL) in which Pshenychnyuk plays, and imho they are not something like WP:ROUTINE coverage. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I've reviewed the new sources and none of them show significant coverage. Sport.ua confirms that he scored his first goal and that he is a midfielder but the rest is pure Q&A with no independent analysis. UA-Football confirms his age and number of appearances and then copies and pastes the same Q&A from the previous source, so is also not sufficient. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the most important thing about a source according to WP:SIGCOV is not evidence of notability, but rather sufficient and significant coverage on the topic. Imho the source provides it. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 08:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The source provides information about the importance of the goal scored by the player. In addition, there is information about the player's technical skills that he used to score. The article also provides statistical information about the player. The importance of the victory the team acquired through the player's goal is also mentioned. In my opinion the source presents a compact but good analysis that can be considered as significant coverage. Adding the other two sources (sport.ua/2024-09-14, ua-football.com/2024-09-15) to the source gives, in my opinion, sufficient and significant coverage here. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sourcing deeply insufficient for GNG. Routine match reports never count towards notability, and that is definitely what the handful of sources here are. JoelleJay (talk) 23:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are other sources (for example source-1, source-2, source-3) that I think provide the GNG/WP:SIGCOV. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 12:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – If the creator Web-wiki-warrior agree to submit this time. I see good faith in the creation of the article, but the notability of the sources still raises doubts. Svartner (talk) 00:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not necessarily questioning good faith here, as it's certainly not bad faith, but the creator's understanding of what is significant and meaningful coverage is deeply, deeply flawed, and this has been shown over several articles/AfDs now. I think submission should be an absolute minimum for any kind of draftification. Anwegmann (talk) 03:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide an example of what you think is sufficient and significant coverage when it comes to an wikipedia article about a football player. 80.149.46.228 (talk) 08:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See this example of significant coverage for Leah Williamson. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is an excellent example. Thank you. Anwegmann (talk) 23:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Spiderone: Thank you for example, but that doesn't lead me to think that at least following sources (source-1, source-2, source-3) don't provide WP:SIGCOV about Oleksandr Pshenychnyuk. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 11:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are just passing mentions from what I can read... ಠ_ಠ ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Clara A. Djalim: Sorry, but imho you are wrong ... 1. The sources I mentioned/provided (source-1, source-2, source-3) are not passing mentions. 2. I don't think you can read Ukrainian, so in this context, I don't think you can judge 100% whether the content of the sources mentioned above provides WP:SIGCOV or not. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 10:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General question: Is an interview (for example at least for 30 Minutes) with the football player that was published as a YouTube video considered as sufficient and significant coverage? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 08:42, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per last AFD. I really don't see potential as a draft since almost nobody outside Ukraine knows the clubs he played for. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Clara A. Djalim: Sorry, but imho you are wrong again if we take a closer look at your sentence "almost nobody outside Ukraine knows the clubs he played for". Pshenychnyuk plays for Ukrainian Premier League side FC Chornomorets Odesa. If you don't know the team doesn't mean nobody outside Ukraine knows the club he plays for. If we take a look at Wikipedia article FC Chornomorets Odesa (it's the club Pshenychnyuk plays for), we can see that article is provided by 37 languages. Furthermore, it is not a criterion of WP:SIGCOV whether someone outside Ukraine knows/doesn't know football teams from the Ukrainian Premier League. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 10:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jung Sang-hoon (footballer)

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The claim to notability, playing 4 minutes in the KLeague and some in lower divisions, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that, and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 13:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chen Tao (footballer, born 1995)

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The claim to notability, playing 17 minutes in the Chinese Super League and 9 games in China League Two, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that – being WP:ROUTINE, match reports or not about him – and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arens Mateli

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, played 30 minutes in Albania's highest league and a handful of games in Kosovo. All the sources I could find were databases, social media, trivial mentions and a number of WP:ROUTINE transactional announcements: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as it fails to pass the notability criteria. Ktrimi991 (talk) 16:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Johnson

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Playing 1 international match for a very small country is not a credible claim to notability anymore. I cannot find any additional sources about this guy, although there are many other Mario Johnsons spread across the English-speaking world. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 10:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024–25 Iraq Stars League squads

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This type of squad overview for a league in a specific season isn't really a thing Wikipedia does. It therefore fails WP:NOT. Geschichte (talk) 09:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per consensus at a very similar AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Myanmar National League squads Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 00:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, this is overkill, does WP:NOSTATS apply to this? Govvy (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep will be updated constantly, more sources will be available as the league commences (clubs will announce squads etc.) as evidence of notability, although I understand that Wikipedia doesn't have such pages A1lfcIRQ (talk) 22:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per previous consensuses not to have these sort of squad articles for football seasons. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:33, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simón Veras

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There is no evidence this athlete passes WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT. I can find no WP:SIGCOV. (Contested PROD.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 07:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Soo-yeon

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The claim to notability, playing 15 matches in South Korea 15 years ago, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 18:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is an unsourced stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. And his article in the Korean Wikipedia is a stub with little to no WP:RS. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 18:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 00:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 13:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nomination and Clara, could not find any significant coverage. Sir MemeGod  13:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenta Kakimoto

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The claim to notability, playing 739 minutes in the second Japanese league, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 18:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ruan (footballer, born 1991)

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The claim to notability, starting 2 matches each in a Brazilian regional tournament and the third tier of Greek football (as well as 8 additional substitutions on), is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 18:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not a database of every footballer ever. Playing single-figures totals in the third tier state football in Brazil, second tier in Greece and third in Japan, being untraceable from the age of 25, is not WP:GNG. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 10:55, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Viktor Úradník

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Úradník played a total of 904 minutes in 16 matches to date. All I found were an interview and contract extension; nothing to indicate that he meets WP:GNG. Considering that almost no Slovak clubs are well-known outside their homeland, I don't see this article as a potential draft. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Denis Balla

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 80 minutes in Albania’s highest league. Continued in the semi-pro second tier after that. Searching for sources, I exclusively find databases and trivial mentions, as well as several unrelated namesakes. Geschichte (talk) 05:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete deleting all these articles of non-notable football players it taking a lot of time from productive editors. Ktrimi991 (talk) 16:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Geri Selita

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 14 matches in Albania’s highest league. Currently active in the semi-pro second tier; however, I am simply not able to find a single source with something resembling significant coverage. This routine/trivial mention was the best I could find. What do you think? Geschichte (talk) 05:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: All I found were a few more transactional announcements (1, 2), but nothing substantial. Fails GNG and SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 17:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this one as well. Per above. Ktrimi991 (talk) 16:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lukáš Tóth

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 32 minutes in Slovakia’s highest league. Continued in the second tier after that. His name is common, so I searched in conjunction with his club names and came up very light. This, this and this are all just match reports. This is just a summary of who played in the junior squad in 2015. Geschichte (talk) 05:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. By the way, the first three sources are match reports in news format, not like this one as an example on ESPN.1. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sun Qibin

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Playing 3 games in the Chinese Super League, as well as 18 more in China League Two, is a weak claim to notability. Sources are two squad listings in table format as well as one match report. As such the player fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 05:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joel McGregor

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Nothing has really changed since the last AFD - yes, he made a few sub appearances at the end of last season (totalling 217 minutes per Soccerway), but there remains no significant coverage, everything is pretty much match reports and stats sites, fails WP:GNG. No spectacular career that would justify keeping Giant Snowman 07:01, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pinging those at last AFD - @Zoglophie, Anwegmann, and Svartner:. Giant Snowman 07:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: No coverage here to meet the WP:GNG, would also consider a SALT here as well. Let'srun (talk) 12:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Considering that the incubation period in draftspace was not respected. Svartner (talk) 00:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominator's rationale and I'd also advocate for WP:SALTING if this continues after this Afd. zoglophie^•talk• 12:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and WP:SALT, not much more to say, other than this kind of behavior is really annoying. Allan Nonymous (talk) 18:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:00, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Finn Ashworth

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Non-notable young player who fails WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 07:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft Send to draft space, clearly not main space material. Govvy (talk) 09:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Draftify obviously and per Govvy Intrisit (talk) 16:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 00:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I am not wholly averse to draftify, but I don't see how that will help in this case. The subject is non notable. They may be notable one day, but is there any reason to believe that will be soon enough that the draft would not expire? If it will be deleted anyway, we might as well let it go now. A WP:REFUND would be available in the future if they became notable. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:43, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mason Rees

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Non-notable young player, fails WP:GNG, now playing in non-league and unlikely to be notable any time soon, if at all. Giant Snowman 07:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Sometimes they make it back to the league, most times not. On the face of whats on the article, there is little and certainly not notable on account of WP:BASIC, so delete. Regards. Govvy (talk) 09:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mattias Männilaan

The result was Nomination withdrawn.‎ Svartner (talk) 00:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

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~~Fails WP:GNG, WP:NSPORT due to lack of WP:SIGCOV.~~ The PROD contestor proposed several sources on the talk page, but they are all WP:ROUTINE match coverage and transfer news items, none of them providing SIGCOV of this athlete. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC) Sufficient sources have been identified in this AfD. Nomination withdrawn. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can't find any sources that could be suitable for this article, only profiles. There are no reference sources in this article, except one and that's it. that's very weak. Alon9393 (talk) 23:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Take a look here [8] please. There are dozens of articles directly about that person. Even a short documentary [9]. Pelmeen10 (talk) 09:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. With all due respect Alon9393, and not to get off topic, you have been asked several times by several established editors on your talk page to maybe proceed with caution, or familiarize yourself with Wiki policies before engaging in afd and deletion discussions for a variety of reasons: possible WP:COI, WP:CANVASS, accusations of WP:PA, the speed of which you are making judgments in afd and deletion discussions, grounding your arguments and nominations on personal opinions, and subverting Wiki policies to ensure that an article you created was rescued through an AfD process so that it remained. ExRat (talk) 23:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ExRat Hello, Greetings, could you explain the question again, I don't understand it, are you asking me about Mattias Männilaan or about another matter, which does not come to this AFD. I await your response. Alon9393 (talk) 23:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't a question. You are within your rights as an editor to take part in this discussion. I was stating that your participation in discussions so far have rankled several established users who have brought up numerous issues with your behavior, possible violations, and your contributions thus far. That's all. As for Mattias Männilaan, see Pelmeen10's contributions — there are numerous articles from reputable sources provided now that constitute WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. ExRat (talk) 23:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes GNG. I don't believe the nominator checked all the 79 sources that Soccernet.ee has about the person. And no, they are not WP:Routine (which would be scores and squad line-ups). Here's more interviews from saaremaasport Pelmeen10 (talk) 09:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question I have no idea, what about the sources also at ru:Мяннилаан, Маттиас ? Are those any good? Govvy (talk) 09:46, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per references found by Pelmeen10. Several of those sources are not WP:ROUTINE. One Saarte Hääl article even has a link to a nearly 40 minute documentary on him. Easily passes WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. ExRat (talk) 19:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per specific example of WP:SIGCOV identified by other editor. Nomination withdrawn. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Although some editors opposed this option, I'm closing this discussion as a Draftify as an ATD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Moore (footballer, born 2003)

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PROD removed by article creator, no reason given. No significant coverage, everything is pretty much match reports and stats sites, fails WP:GNG. No spectacular career that would justify keeping. Giant Snowman 20:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Once again this page is not "pretty much match reports and stats sites"!

Please check the sources and READ the article as well as sources before making false statements about another one of my pages EnglishDude98 (talk) 21:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is made up of one more type of source: primary sources. In general that means sources created by himself, his family, his employer or his association - in this case, all news published by his own club are primary. They can be used, but do not provide notability for a subject. Geschichte (talk) 05:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly - where is the significant coverage? The fact that @EnglishDude98: does not understand notability requirements remains concerning. Giant Snowman 06:53, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article shouldn't have been Prod'ed in the first place, because there are multiple citations in play, all-be-it mostly primary, makes it not an article you can PROD. There are some secondary sources on there, but many people call them routine coverage. @EnglishDude98: I suggest you read through WP:V and try and find those sources which users today would call WP:SIGCOV. Regards. Govvy (talk) 09:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will check later, thanks for the help and advice in this matter @Govvy EnglishDude98 (talk) 09:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why does an article having multiple sources mean you can't PROD it? Giant Snowman 14:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The difference between complicated and uncomplicated, a page with multiple sources will always be challenged, 90% of admins will reject a prod like that. Prod is for straight forward simple deletions. Govvy (talk) 17:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it is for an uncontroversial deletion, which is not the same thing at all. Giant Snowman 15:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 00:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Nothing even close to approaching IRS SIGCOV, and there is no point in draftifying something that has no hope of sourcing appearing in the near future. The current page has 15 citations to his club/league (not independent and not secondary), 6 citations to stats pages (not secondary, not SIGCOV), and 4 citations to utterly routine match reports, none of which contain even a sentence on Moore. JoelleJay (talk) 23:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per JoelleJay statement. Footballer with a very common birth name, making it difficult to find significant coverage for this one. I don't see this article as a potential draft. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft I am going to say draft with the hope that he could come notable, he is only 20 years old, I don't see why it can't be worked on in draft space. Govvy (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there is disagreement on whether or not this article should be draftified.
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Draftify. I don't see a current pass on WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT, but he's an early career player and I see no reason to draftify in the event sources emerge in the near future. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maddi Wilde

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of this footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. A few transactional announcements (2023, 2024), but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 19:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I originally reviewed this article and passed it because a brief search for sources I did found 1 2 plus the articles listed in the nomination, all of which are secondary sourced articles about her, and include more than trivial content. Some of them are based around transfer announcements, but they all contain more than a passing mention with content such as quotes and information about her as a player. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The routine transactional announcements have two sentences of coverage each, with the rest being quotes. Every mention of Wilde in the OneFootball article is a re-hashing of something she said while the WSLFullTime article is another routine transactional announcement. JTtheOG (talk) 20:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if I'm missing a WP:NSPORTS policy here but what is the policy that says articles about transactions don't count towards coverage? I would also dispute the characterization of the OneFootball article. It's an article focusing on coverage of things she said and her performance on the field as well as her relation to the team, she is the primary subject of the article; I can't really see anything that wouldn't make it WP:SIGCOV. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 23:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes from the subject are not significant coverage. We want to see what other people say about Wilde, not what she says about herself and her team. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sourcing is nowhere close to the IRS SIGCOV required by NSPORT. The OneFootball article has zero secondary independent coverage of Wilde: every single sentence is either reporting what she said or is about something other than her. And on top of that it's also a reprint of a FAWSL piece, so it and the routine transactional announcement count as ONE source of non-GNG coverage. Not to mention that FAWSL appears to be SPS -- it's essentially a blog written and edited by one person, and such sources can NEVER be cited in BLPs. So in effect we have no RS coverage at all. JoelleJay (talk) 23:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per JoelleJay, not much else to add. Note that Wilde is young and may become notable in the future so no prejudice against creating again should she gain some significant coverage. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ning Weichen

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The claim to notability, playing 17 minutes in the Portuguese second tier and 2 minutes in the Chinese Super League, as well as some on lower tiers, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 18:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, very minor appearance in China's top league. LibStar (talk) 04:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Li Haoran (footballer, born 1993)

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The claim to notability, playing 11 games in League One and a few minutes as a substitute in the highest league, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 18:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zhang Ziru

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The claim to notability, playing 25 minutes in the Chinese Super League and some on the third tier, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 18:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Torneo de Copa 2018–2019

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I could not find significant coverage of the topic or reliable sources, the article only has a mere existence. Alon9393 (talk) 16:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Incomplete with zero sources. It may be redone in the future, but now it is a case for WP:TNT. Svartner (talk) 17:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No content, and not part of a series - Torneo de Copa does not even exist. Geschichte (talk) 03:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ōtākaro FC

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This relatively new youth-only football club fails WP:GNG; there is no WP:SIGCOV of the club in independent, secondary, reliable sources. (It may just be WP:TOOSOON since this club isn't yet two years old, so I would support draftification as an AtD if other editors agree, but deletion is also an appropriate outcome.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete it's WP:TOOSOON fails WP:GNG and lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 16:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. It's merely a football school. Svartner (talk) 17:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no sigcov. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 07:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: while I do agree that they probably fail WP:GNG at the moment, I do see some potential notability coming from them in the future. Probably WP:TOOSOON. Sir MemeGod  19:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yu Hao (footballer)

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The claim to notability, playing 111 minutes in the Chinese Super League, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Xegma(talk) 13:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Sir MemeGod  19:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Libor Koníček

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The claim to notability, playing 142 minutes on Slovakia’s highest level, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Xegma(talk) 13:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 12:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deng Yanlin

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The claim to notability, playing 8 games in Hong Kong, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Xegma(talk) 13:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Based on insufficient references. Mevoelo (talk) 14:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nothing to establish notability here. Subject fails GNG --- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 09:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 12:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miroslav Almaský

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The claim to notability, playing 239 minutes on Slovakia’s highest level, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Xegma(talk) 13:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to 2034 FIFA World Cup#Venues. ✗plicit 12:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Qiddiya Coast Stadium

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It's WP:TOOSOON and it is set to be built for 3 years from now.

I'm also nominating the following:

Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:40, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2034 FIFA World Cup#Venues – To avoid recreating the article unnecessarily. Svartner (talk) 17:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
part merge and redirect to Riyadh. Svartner That tournament is way off. Considering the city/town they are building in, I feel that article would be a better choice. It could be notable in the future, but that is a long way off and also running WP:CRYSTAL. @Miminity: I really don't think this is the best bundling because I feel King Khalid University Stadium needs a different venue article, that being Abha. Govvy (talk) 17:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, the relevance of the topic is being one of the venues for the 2034 World Cup. Svartner (talk) 00:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Svartner: And when they are done with the world cup, they will be used for other football clubs, then there is the multifunctional use. Other sports maybe played at these venues, so redirecting to where you said doesn't help those. etc. Govvy (talk) 08:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, support 2034 FIFA World Cup#Venues as the target. @Govvy: Before the World Cup even starts, I'm most certain the stadiums will have full-fledged articles, no later than the date the construction is finished - which negates the concern that the redirect target might change. PS. If consensus is reached here, the same action may be taken WP:BOLDly to other stadiums that don't exist yet such as Neom Stadium. Geschichte (talk) 03:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. asilvering (talk) 21:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dav Nim

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Article recreated after 2022 deletion, but the sourcing fails to show WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources, and thus the subject once again fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – There are four sources in Cambodian, could anyone check them? Svartner (talk) 01:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Svartner I ran machine translation on all four as part of my BEFORE. Assuming the translation was reasonably accurate they are either WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or WP:ROUTINE match/transfer coverage, not WP:SIGCOV. In any case, they're each only a few paragraphs long so not enough to get into any depth on Nim. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No WP:SIGCOV. Seems like author is trying to stretch info to make article seem substantial. Chris1834 Talk 21:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mihajlo Butraković

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Biography of a Serbian football player shows no WP:SIGCOV in independent sources and thus fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 03:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - Maybe someday but nothing significant as of now. Chris1834 Talk 21:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As nominator I am open to draftify as an AtD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question: what's the grounds for draftifying? I'm not seeing any reason why this wouldn't just result in a G13 time out? -- asilvering (talk) 21:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ghim Kumari Gurung

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of this footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All passing mentions. JTtheOG (talk) 18:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – The subject does not have enough news coverage.Mysecretgarden (talk) 04:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - member of National football squad. nirmal (talk) 02:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This criteria is not sufficient, especially for less relevant national teams. Svartner (talk) 14:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Shows as playing from 2016 - current. Quick search looks like she retired in 2023. 7 years with no coverage. Chris1834 Talk 20:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adrien Thibaut

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PROD removed by article creator, no reason given. Ni significant coverage, everything is pretty much match reports and stats sites, fails WP:GNG. No spectacular career that would justify keeping. Giant Snowman 17:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It is NOT pretty much match reports and stats though. There is references that back up what I put within the article, Crewe Alexandra's website is on there numerous times as are other references which support my research into Adrien Thibaut's career from what I found online. EnglishDude98 (talk) 17:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Articles from his own club does not go towards SIGCOV. Giant Snowman 18:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Check the other references and read the articles please, you'll see that it is NOT pretty much match reports and stats sites as per your above comment. EnglishDude98 (talk) 18:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources show significant coverage? Giant Snowman 20:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Draft Decent start for the article, but certainly needs to play more professional football and to be talked about by secondary sources. Govvy (talk) 20:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – Per Govvy. Svartner (talk) 03:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with @Govvy- page is better off moving into the draft space for now. 2A06:5902:180C:5800:50F1:C4DF:B59:9E61 (talk) 08:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – Agree with Govvy. Even as a Crewe fan, I think this needs more significant coverage in reliable, independent, secondary sources. Paul W (talk) 09:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - Per above. Chris1834 Talk 20:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandros Maskanakis

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Fails WP:NSPORT, WP:GNG. No evidence of WP:SIGCOV in independent, secondary, reliable sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Nothing here. Chris1834 Talk 20:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 22:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2014 AC Nagano Parceiro season

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Fails WP:GNG. Severe lack of sources and content. The only reference is from a primary source. EpicAdventurer (talk) 13:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Creator is globally locked. The page is not great, but is a part of a series of 2014 J3-League club seasons. Geschichte (talk) 11:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, it’s part of an entire series of articles for the different Japanese football leagues which not only tracks the competitions year by year, but the teams too. Cutting out a single article in the series seems like it would break up the series for no good reason, when the information itself is super clearly presented, and threaded, in a way I haven’t been able to find anywhere else online.

In my opinion deleting it would take away something useful. For that reason, I have the page a solid edit tonight. I’ve still got to go ahead and add match report links to each individual game, but I think I at least covered the basics.

This is such a useful resource that I’m going to make it a mission to pick through all the rest of the articles in the series one by one, and expand / source each of those as well. So it would be really nice if you didn’t delete this one article as I’m doing that…

Vote to keep. Absurdum4242 (talk) 14:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Sorry, new to this, didn’t realise I should have made a * and bolded my keep recommendation until I reread the guide again just now. Mea Culpa.

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Draftify - Significant sources have been added and an editor has expressed interest in expanding further. At minimum, move to draft to give editor time to continue to improve. Chris1834 Talk 20:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Obviously I’m not voting again, having already voted, but I’ll further explain my reasoning having spent the duration of this deletion discussion attempting to edit the article into compliance.

As the article stood when nominated (by a user who has since quit, after having several of his articles similar to this one likewise nominated for deletion / draftified, but then kept - having made “why are mine deleted when there are articles like these” type arguments), it completely lacked sources and content. The nomination was a fair cop. Since the nomination though, I’ve found and cited several sources, reworked the article in ways which I believe both clearly lay out the season, and that prove there was significant coverage in Reliable, Independent, Secondary sources, with the likelihood of there being more sources out there which I have not yet found (searching in Japanese, my second language, slows things down, but this was the first full season in a newly formed professional competition in a major developed country - the chance of there not being more sources that I just haven’t found yet is basically zero.

I would like to just remind people voting that the criteria is that sources proving notability are likely to exist, not that they are cited in the article as currently written. The appropriate policy is

- “ Notability requires only that suitable independent, reliable sources exist in the real world; it does not require their immediate presence or citation in an article. Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility or existence of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article. Thus, before proposing or nominating an article for deletion, or offering an opinion based on notability in a deletion discussion, editors are strongly encouraged to attempt to find sources for the subject in question and consider the possibility that sources may still exist even if their search failed to uncover any.”

I am not accusing anyone of arguing for deletion in bad faith, I think we are all trying to do what is right here, but I would like to ask anyone leaning towards deletion to ask themselves whether it is in part because they are not interested in the topic of the article, and don’t really consider foreign language sources to count when judging reliability on an English Wikipedia page.

I’m going to keep poking away at the article, searching for more sources, and editing if I have time, and honestly I think that efforts to gradually improve the article is a better way to approach this rather than deletion, but I’ll leave that up to you guys now that I’ve said my piece. Absurdum4242 (talk) 05:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. The article has been improved, although I only see one independent/secondary source (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't really have a P&G-based view on this, but in general an article on a season of a sports team that's more than a stub and meets WP:V generally satisfies the criteria for a WP:SPLIT and has a valid navigational/informational purpose, even if there isn't WP:SIGCOV of the season itself. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for commenting. Just re sources, some of them are press releases from the league, but apart from the one you mentioned, we have a report on the need for the stadium development / licensing requirements from an independent community development organisation, a historical overview of the stadium redevelopment from the government of another prefecture who is looking to build stadiums there, an article in an online soccer magazine explaining the promotion / relegation games system (it was the inaugural season, so the system was new) giving dates and teams for the matches, and finally an overview of the full season, and of individual matches (one so far, but I’ll add them all eventually if this article is kept) by an independent sports data collection and visualisation company which doesn’t just get the data from the official sources, but also watches the games to collect their own extra data, which it then synthesises into proprietary secondary statistic (Chance Building Points being the main one), and visual game timelines. Absurdum4242 (talk) 05:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 14:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nuno Pereira (footballer, born 1996)

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Not able to find any WP:SIGCOV of this footballer to meet requirements of WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG. (Nota bene, there's another footballer with the same name but born a different year.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I see that I tagged this for notability some years ago; another Algrim creation from when the guidelines were different. The claim to notability is playing one league (second tier) and two cup games for Leixoes, which is a very weak claim. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 06:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - 25ish games in almost a decade...not notable. Chris1834 Talk 20:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 14:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barbora Polcarová

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Article fails WP:GNG. All references listed are primary and I can't find significant coverage in reliable, secondary ones. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – References are primary, interviews or profiles. Mysecretgarden (talk) 04:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. There's a clear consensus against keeping this in mainspace, and broad support for draftifying as an ATD. Owen× ☎ 13:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brad Manguelle

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Google News yield no results. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 10:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:SPORTCRIT and also lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 14:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also nominating the following:

Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 10:42, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:SPORTCRIT and also lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 14:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 03:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: WP:TOOSOON applies here, as there is a lack of WP:SIGCOV today for these subjects to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 14:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 18:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - current but not notable. Maybe someday. Chris1834 Talk 20:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fumiya Suzuki (footballer, born 1998)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Playing 6 games in Singapore and some in the Japanese third tier is a very weak claim to notability. No significant coverage. Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 07:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Nothing here. Chris1834 Talk 20:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tatsuya Sambongi

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Playing 13 games in Singapore is a very weak claim to notability. No significant coverage. Creator is indefinitely blocked. Geschichte (talk) 07:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - One year and done. Not notable. Chris1834 Talk 20:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Akiya Wada

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Playing 14 games in Singapore is a very weak claim to notability. No significant coverage. Creator is indefinitely blocked. Geschichte (talk) 07:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see any reason to Keep it here. Non-notable topic with no sigcoverage. Old-AgedKid (talk) 08:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Played less than a season as a pro. no highlights. Chris1834 Talk 20:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Koki Sato

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Playing 14 games in Singapore is a very weak claim to notability. No significant coverage. Creator is indefinitely blocked. Geschichte (talk) 07:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per others above. Chris1834 Talk 20:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lü Xue'an

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Does not appear to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. Undertook a search for name in Chinese and did not yield much. Player of lower Chinese league China League Two. LibStar (talk) 01:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment According to his Japanese Wikipedia article, he's played for the Shonan Bellmare, making him a professional player who's played in Japan's top tier. Adding nomination to the Japan list. _dk (talk) 03:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't read Japanese, but what I do read is the numbers beside the Japanese club in the infobox: 0. In other words he did not play in any tier. The English article has the Japan spell as one of his youth clubs, i.e. not professional. Geschichte (talk) 12:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Unfortunately, the creator made a lot of articles that (barely) fit with the guidelines of the day, now obsolete, and do not fit with current guidelines. Cleaning it up is a large, but necessary undertaking. Geschichte (talk) 12:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete' – Fails in WP:GNG, or at least, in WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 03:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Probably not enough to save the article but have fleshed it out a bit. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 20:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Not enough here. Chris1834 Talk 20:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 08:20, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stiven Puci

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Short career in Albania’s highest league, 4 minutes for Luftetari, then a loan, then 18 more games. I found very few sources, this is clearly not in-depth, and probably not this one either. Therefore I think he fails WP:GNGand WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 07:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - If they are still playing, where is the coverage that proves it. Don't see much for stats from 2019 to current day...Chris1834 Talk 20:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 08:20, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Albi Koldashi

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5 games in Albania’s highest tier, continued for a few years in a lower league. The current source #2 is just a squad listing and not significant. The only other source I could find was this. While that one is decent, I still think he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 07:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. Regardless of whether it is significant or not, just adding one source is not sufficient. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Has been playing for a while but it seems like sources aren't even wide enough to document details of career. Chris1834 Talk 20:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 08:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ikuma Osaka

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 6 minutes in Singapore as well as some amateur leagues in different countries. Geschichte (talk) 08:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Lacks media coverage. References appear to be from non-quality sites, and profiles only.Mysecretgarden (talk) 04:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails GNG and sigcoverage in reliable newspapers Old-AgedKid (talk) 09:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Doesn't even look like they played for three years in the middle of their career. Chris1834 Talk 20:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 08:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taiyo Nishida

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played briefly in Singapore and not much else is known about him. Creator is indefinitely blocked. (PS. This is my last AFD today.) Geschichte (talk) 09:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – He only played for the Singapore branch of Albirex Niigata, clearly fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Only played for a year with average or lower stats. Not notable. Chris1834 Talk 20:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Caidy Nelson

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this amateur soccer player. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 06:28, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - She's a member of Philippine women's national football team and a public figure. I think there are enough sources to warrant a wikipedia page. I saw pages less notable with way less credibility here. Sources cited are legit and from reliable independent news outlet. Medforlife (talk) 06:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No source in the article covers Nelson directly. JTtheOG (talk) 07:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, far too soon for an article. A child who does sports. Geschichte (talk) 07:52, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 23:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 18:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - per previous comments. Chris1834 Talk 20:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. as an ATD. Too soon for an article but we should allow editors to work on a draft and submit to WP:AFC. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nunzio Engwanda

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All the sources on Google News I could find are all WP:PRIMARY thus failing WP:SIGCOV for WP:SPORTCRIT Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 00:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete lack of WP:SIGCOV need more sources. Xegma(talk) 04:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have added new reliable sources. --Eden10Hazard (talk) 10:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 23:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or weak Draftify- possible notability seems like it could be far off. Chris1834 Talk 20:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tomas Maricic

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Article fails WP:GNG. One article is not enough. Simione001 (talk) 21:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Speedy Keep~~. It's not a question of whether the article is currently good. It's about the notability of the subject. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What leads you to believe that the subject is notable? Simione001 (talk) 02:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't raised the notability of the subject. You only commented on the current state of the article. duffbeerforme (talk) 04:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was nominated because it fails GNG which stands for General Notability Guidelines. If your suggesting there are more sources please provide them as i wasn't able to find any. Simione001 (talk) 05:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You nominated the article. That is not the subject. duffbeerforme (talk) 09:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The only other secondary source I could find, i.e. not currently in the article, is [10] Geschichte (talk) 07:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cant read that one but it looks to be an opinion piece about who makes the team of the season at the half way point. Do they address the subject in any great details? Any quotes from the player? Simione001 (talk) 08:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Maybe some Australian user like @Matilda Maniac could advise us better on what should be done. Svartner (talk) 03:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Never heard of him, so cannot advise. I rarely get involved in player articles, maybe a little for women players. Matilda Maniac (talk) 13:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Has been playing for a while now and there doesn't even seem to be enough sources to correctly document career stats. Chris1834 Talk 20:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ava Villapando

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of this youth footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SIGCOV. Draftification is an option. JTtheOG (talk) 20:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, far too soon for an article. A child who does sports. Geschichte (talk) 21:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's one of the members of Philippine women's national football team and she's considered a public figure. I think there are enough sources to warrant a wikipedia page. Medforlife (talk) 05:57, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's a member of the U17 team, not the adult team. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 18:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - Per previous. No need to delete. Chris1834 Talk 19:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jael-Marie Guy

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I am not seeing anything close to WP:SIGCOV for this youth footballer. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Draftification is an option. JTtheOG (talk) 19:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Sources are from reilable independent newspapers. Medforlife (talk) 19:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like? C F A 💬 21:20, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
References #11 and #12 are from the Philippine Star, a major newspaper in the Philippines. Ref #13 is from ABS-CBN News, a major TV news provider, ref #10 is from The Tiebreaker Times, an online news website, which for me passes WP:RS and I use as sources myself on other articles. The rest are match reports and database records from soccer websites and thus fails WP:RS. As for those refs that do not fail WP:RS, these are, also, match reports with no WP:SIGCOV of Guy. It's like saying "Lionel Messi is notable! Look, I dug up match reports saying he played on that game!" Howard the Duck (talk) 01:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, far too soon for an article. A child who does sports. Geschichte (talk) 21:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's one of the members of Philippine women's national football team and she's considered a public figure. I think there are enough sources to warrant a wikipedia page. Medforlife (talk) 05:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's a member of the U17 team, not the adult team. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep or draftify – It looks mainspace-ready to me, but I'm not opposed to drafting. Svartner (talk) 23:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 18:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - very early in career. Good start to an article but if they stopped playing tomorrow, it wouldn't be worth keeping. Chris1834 Talk 19:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gabrielle Baker

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Draftify until better sourcing is found. I am not seeing anything close to WP:SIGCOV here. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 16:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Sources cited are reliable independent newspapers. Medforlife (talk) 18:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources address Baker in significant detail? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-player-profile/gabrielle-baker/pid-1030179 - This website includes several articles under her name

https://archive.md/w7rMK - More details about her varsity team

https://sports.tribune.net.ph/2024/04/01/filipinas-thrilled-to-face-koreans/ - An article when she was called up to senior national team

https://voi.id/en/sports/379103 - An article how she kept the goal well as they won the match 6-1 Medforlife (talk) 19:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are not WP:SIGCOV. If there are WP:RS that is primarily about her (and not her team), please add that in the article. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's primarily about her as she was named All-State First Team awardee and her contributions to her team Medforlife (talk) 03:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Four sentences about her high school career is far from the significant coverage required. The sources need to cover the subject directly and in detail. JTtheOG (talk) 04:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She's one of the members of Philippine women's national football team and she's a public figure. I think there are enough sources to warrant a wikipedia page. Medforlife (talk) 06:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She's a member of the U17 team, not the fully adult version. Please read and understand WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV; she mwy be notable in the future, but not now. Howard the Duck (talk) 09:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify - none of the sources listed above come even close to showing SIGCOV Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep or draftify – It looks mainspace-ready to me, but I'm not opposed to drafting. Svartner (talk) 23:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 18:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Not seeing the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG just yet. Draftify per the nom as a WP:ATD Let'srun (talk) 13:56, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 17:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dominik Ťapaj

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Ťapaj has only played nine matches for MFK Ružomberok which last a total of 900 minutes so far. A source that looks the closest to significant coverage is Futbol Portal, but I'm not sure how reliable it is. Considering that almost no Slovak clubs are well-known outside their homeland, I don't see this article as a potential draft. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources below which show notability. Giant Snowman 17:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. 11 games now, played yesterday. Current player who hasn't faded into obscurity. More importantly, I found lots of independent sources that address him - combined, this looks broad and in-depth: [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] I stopped looking after finding a few. Also found a more routine news piece about being called up to Slovakia U21. [16] Pinging @GiantSnowman since you asked. Geschichte (talk) 05:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per Geschichte improvements. Svartner (talk) 14:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:15, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duong Thanh Tung

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Does not pass WP:GNG. He does not have a single start in a professional football competition and the sources used do not document his notability. Maybe speedy deletion per A7 is possible. FromCzech (talk) 05:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think for this player does pass WP:GNG with all the articles in Vietnam's big football journals about him. He recently signed a pro contract with a club in Vietnam's highest division, and is registred in the squad for the league. His pro debut will only be a matter of time. Lâm (talk) 10:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I wrote, the sources used do not document his notability. Wiki is not a player database and a few possible starts for a professional club won't change anything about that. This player has not accomplished anything yet, and we are not predicting from a crystal ball whether he will ever accomplish anything. The page can be created in a few years, when he has dozens of starts, and it will be written about something other than his first pro contract. FromCzech (talk) 11:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete—Appears to fail WP:GNG, although there is certainly a career that may be documented and/or documentable. Anwegmann (talk) 18:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The article has some sources in Vietnamese, have they been checked? Svartner (talk) 23:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article from Bóng Đá Plus provides a significant coverage about the player, detailing his family background, career, and playing style. Additionally, there's also the article from Dân Việt that also gives a resume of his career and his playing style.It's worth noting that the player recently signed with the runners-up of the previous season in Vietnam's top football division. This significant move, in my opinion, justifies why a player from low-tier Czech teams deserves a Wikipedia article. Lâm (talk) 13:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SPORTSPERSON: Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability. WP:SUSTAINED: There have been reports of him entering professional football, but that's not enough as he may not make it. I would recommend to draftify the page and consider renewing the article in a year, in two, depending on career development and other media reports. FromCzech (talk) 13:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - As proposed by @FromCzech sounds the better solution. Svartner (talk) 03:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify - Looks like he could hit GNG eventually but not quite there. Chris1834 Talk 19:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As suggested above as well, I would be okay with draftification. Anwegmann (talk) 01:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Kurdistan Premier League. No P&G-based arguments to keep this as a standalone page. Owen× ☎ 12:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chwarqurna SC

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Google News Yield no result, the given sources are database. I suggest a merge with Kurdistan Premier League could be a possible thing. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 09:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do not delete or Redirect We added more References kfa

Although the club was introduced in previous References Best Regards.ChwarqurnaSC (talk) 10:20, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do not delete Chwarqurna SC(چوارقوڕنە) is a famous team in the Kurdistan Premier League . Amirfazlipour (talk) 04:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 23:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Delete per nom" when the nom suggests a merge? Geschichte (talk) 05:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Do not delete This is a professional team.Ana628 (talk) 08:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrej Nguyen

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Does not pass WP:GNG. He does not have a single start in a professional football competition and the sources used do not document his notability in any way. Maybe speedy deletion per A7 is possible. FromCzech (talk) 05:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – He's actually quite well-known in Vietnam, due to his call up to the Vietnam national under-23 football team. There are a lot of articles about him in Vietnamese, which I believe do pass the WP:GNG. But as you mentioned, he did not have a single game in a professional football competition, and also no appearance for Vietnam youth national teams. I see this article as WP:TOOSOON . I think a draft is the best solution. Lâm (talk) 06:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like a single call-up to the U23 preliminary squad will make you famous in Vietnam? LOL. A draft is a reasonable option. FromCzech (talk) 06:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, his case is particular. He was one the first Vietnamese diaspora player playing abroad to get a call up to the national youth team. That explains why he got a lot of attention of the media Lâm (talk) 10:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thplam2004: Could you link here to some of the biggest articles about him? That can help editors decide his notability. --SuperJew (talk) 20:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article from Tiền Phong covered completely his family background, his career and his journey to get called up Vietnam U23 team. There are so many articles covering the player such as 2 , 3 , 4 and many more. In fact he was called up to the Vietnam national team in September 2023 but he withdrew the call up (source) Lâm (talk) 04:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Fails WP:GNG without enough of a career to assume the existence of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep as the references cover the player significantly and surely passes WP:GNG. However, what make me consider is that the player doesn't have much of a career, but the fact that he got call up to the Vietnam national football team makes it valid to keep this article. What do you guys think? Lâm (talk) 09:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just repeating myself, but passing GNG criteria is not confirmation of notability, and we are talking about youth team, not a senior team, and about a preliminary squad as he withdrew the call up, not a final nomination. And this is a one year old event; since then, he has not appeared anywhere. Given that no one was in favor of keep in the discussion before the relisting, a consensus is being sought whether to draft or delete. FromCzech (talk) 09:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I wouldn't call this WP:TOOSOON as no WP:SIGCOV existed. In a general view, the article doesn't meet WP:SPORTSBIO and seeing that no coverage has ever existed, turning into a draft wouldn't help either. Pls delete entirely and went a little notability is sensed, an editor may commence from scratch or request the previous deleted information. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 04:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolas Nguyen

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Does not pass WP:GNG. No secondary sources, only databases. He played only one game (5 minutes) in professional football. FromCzech (talk) 05:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no significant coverages. Xegma(talk) 17:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. Considering that the clubs he plays for are not well-known outside their country, I don't see any point of draft. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No independent coverage in RS. Alon9393 (talk) 16:56, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I am surprised the article is as big as it is. Very few appearances on the pitch. Chris1834 Talk 21:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fahad Younes

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Delete not enough need more significant coverages. Xegma(talk) 18:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: 99 games in the Qatari league. Does Qatar not have sports media? I feel that if deleted, it should happen without prejudice, i.e. the incoming links should not be removed. Geschichte (talk) 04:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Could not find sources that could expand the article. Chris1834 Talk 20:59, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 01:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdelrahman Moustafa

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Keep - The player has 100+ games in pro level and is fully capped in the international level. He was also part of the 2019 AFC Asian Cup winning squad, which is a very valid reason to maintain the article. It would be easy to ỉmprove this article. Lâm (talk) 06:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—As stated above, this player has a clear and sustained professional career. To me, this seems obvious—certainly much more obvious than many other articles on this list. Anwegmann (talk) 18:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Passes on WP:GNG, sufficiently referenced and plays in the first tier of local football. Svartner (talk) 23:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - notable for having received several club and national appearances, and winning the 2019 AFC Asian Cup with Qatar. Elspamo4 (talk) 02:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Established multi-year career. Improve rather than delete. Chris1834 Talk 20:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify‎. ✗plicit 00:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Jong-min (footballer, born 1947)

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Delete also lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 17:53, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - played at the Olympics and managed the national team, clearly notable - needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 20:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Improve per GiantSnowman. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 18:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and improve as per above

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Keep: as per GiantSnowman. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 13:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per GiantSnowman has played in the Olympics and managed the national team.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~: I'm failing to see the notability here. The references provided are just profiles and clearly doesn't have any SIGCOV. I'm not convinced of the established notability comment per GiantSnowman. Taking part in Olympics doesn't warranty any notability, if there aren't any sources backing it up. My search results also turned out nil and clearly no SIGCOV or GNG met. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After reading through BF11's comment, it's evidence some notability might be present in the North Korean sources. I'm okay with a draftify too. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is clearly one of the examples were requiring strict SIGCOV compliance is patently absurd. Where on earth are we supposed to go to find North Korean newspaper archives? I can only note that in a scene in the film The Game of Their Lives (regarding the 1966 North Korean team), one North Korean player showed a book full of newspaper headlines for the top players with the national team – so it is obvious that the sport was very well-covered at the time and I don't see why a few years later would have been any different. Another way to notability would be WP:ANYBIO if Kim received any of the top honors in North Korea, which would be either Merited Athlete or People's Athlete. Looking up his name (김정민) in relation to the title Merited Athlete (공훈체육인) I get results including a piece from the Minju Choson stating in the preview "화원1동에 입사한 만경대구역상하수도관리소의 김정민，량은향 로동자부부 ... 공훈체육인칭호가 수여되였다． 로력훈장이 1명에게，국기훈장 제2급이 18명 . [Kim Jong-min and Ryang-hyang, workers of the Mangyongdae District Waterworks Management Office in Hwawon 1-dong, were awarded the title of Meritorious Sportsman.]" – I have a strong feeling this was him (esp. given that we have no other North Korean 'Kim Jong-min's) but I receive warning messages when entering the site so I can't look further. Searching his name in relation to the 'Mangyondae District Waterworks Management Office' ("입사한 만경대구역상하수도관리소" "김정민") brings up another piece from the Rodong Sinmun further discussing 'Kim Jong-min and Ryang-hyang' ("화원1동에 입사한 만경대구역상하수도관리소의 김정민, 량은향 로동자부부는 현대적인 살림집을 받아안고보니 우리 원수님의 은덕이 너무도 크고 ... [Kim Jong-min and Ryang-hyang, workers of the Mangyongdae District Waterworks Management Office in Hwawon 1-dong, received a modern house and realized that the grace of our Marshal was so great...]") but likewise I cannot access it further. IMO I'd like to keep this given how accomplished he is and how ridiculous it is to find North Korean newspaper sources. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: I agree with BeanieFan11's argument - proving WP:GNG for a North Korean would be extremely difficult. At the same time, the article gives very little information about the subject and needs improving. It makes sense to draftify and find sources to add to it so that it can be more useful to readers.DesiMoore (talk) 16:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd support that outcome and would expand it when I get the chance. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – Per above. Svartner (talk) 22:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Jong-man (footballer, born 1972)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:02, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete also lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 17:52, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Sources are very bare of details, no real coverage. Chris1834 Talk 20:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to 1980 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea. ✗plicit 00:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Jong-man (footballer, born 1960s)

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Delete also lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 17:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to 1980 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea as possible search term. Giant Snowman 20:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per Giant Snowman. Svartner (talk) 23:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Jong-chol (footballer, born 1991)

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:20, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no SIGCOV, the only source given appears to just be a registry, not suggesting notability either. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 11:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - very little here and nothing more seems to be out there. Chris1834 Talk 20:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Il-yong

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- No SIGCOV, only source is just a list/directory. No evidence of notability. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 11:15, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The article writer doesn't even seem to know if the 2 appearances listed are the only ones. Chris1834 Talk 20:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2015–16 Hapoel Tel Aviv F.C. season

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Article without any type of notoriety or references Alon9393 (talk) 21:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete. No content, nothing worth keeping. Geschichte (talk) 23:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]
Keep I am going to have a go a fixing up, they are a big club. If people decide to delete, then please move to my sandbox. Govvy (talk) 12:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - per Govvy, one for improvement out of mainspace. Giant Snowman 20:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – Per above. Svartner (talk) 23:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, has been worked on and, while not done, now looks like a normal season article. Geschichte (talk) 07:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Another article wrongly sent to AFD as it needs improvement, not deletion. Props on Govvy for making major improvements. --SuperJew (talk) 20:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2015–16 Maccabi Petah Tikva F.C. season

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In the intro he talks about a football team then it becomes empty and irrelevant Alon9393 (talk) 21:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Article can easily be fixed up if wanted, there are sources for transfers and matches for the club. Israel does have good news coverage for Premier League seasons there. So you can easily build an article if you want, GNG wouldn't be an issue. I have nothing against this being delete either. It's down to what people want to do with the article. Regards. Govvy (talk) 21:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. At best, this should be draftified. It can be fixed, but not much is lost if it's deleted. Geschichte (talk) 23:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - per Govvy, one for improvement out of mainspace. Giant Snowman 20:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – Per above. Svartner (talk) 23:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Umm, @GiantSnowman: Just to let you know, I wasn't planning on working on this article, just the other (Hapoel Tel Aviv) article. Govvy (talk) 20:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's noted, I still think it should be draftified to give someone the chance. Giant Snowman 21:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify article needs improving not deleting, however it needs major improvement so should be done in draftspace. --SuperJew (talk) 20:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matej Rehák

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Rehák played a total of 19 minutes at professional level before being sent to lower leagues, then disappeared. The only secondary source I found is SME but it's paywalled. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, lack of achievements and corresponding lack of sources. Geschichte (talk) 22:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Clear as day. Anwegmann (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sadush Danaj

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Sources are profile and no significant coverages. Xegma(talk) 07:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I honestly have no idea what the coverage is like in Albania and for the clubs he played for, there are two in the list that are a fair size and get good support. If someone does build a decent article with sources ping me please. Govvy (talk) 21:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No evidence of WP:SIGCOV and thus no pass of WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV and there is no indication of notability. The Albanian league has always been very weak. JTtheOG (talk) 21:22, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrea Kule

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8 games in Albania’s highest league, continued in the semi-pro second tier, did get 4 more games on the top level. With sources not being better than this, this or this, I don't think it meets WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. What do you think? Geschichte (talk) 08:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:59, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Helge Rasche

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Fails WP:FOOTYN as he never played nor coached at top level. Coverage is only of his death, which does not automatically establish notability. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 06:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - clearly does not pass WP:FOOTYN as a player, while his coaching achievement (not managership) consists solely of an Under-19 role and nothing in a senior capacity. I detect some kind of personal sympathy voting as an inspiration for the creation and expansion of this article. Ref ^(chew)(do) 07:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. NB that FOOTYN is meaningless. Giant Snowman 18:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Giant can have your say on the relevance of Abdul Hannan (singer).Alon9393 (talk) 18:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CANVASS. Giant Snowman 18:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Giant The issue is that no one has an opinion on whether it should be maintained or eliminated, it is abandoned.Alon9393 (talk) 18:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Giant - essays such as WP:FOOTYN are not binding; however, they are intrinsically relevant or else they would not exist as essays due to their irrelevance. WP:FOOTYN is merely a yardstick by which to measure the nominated's article for signs of notability, not a directive or guideline, and as such is not as meaningless as you might feel. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, you are totally wrong. FOOTYN is a Project-specific essay which confirms that it is nothing more than a "record of the previous guidance". Giant Snowman 17:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete All-know tragic, and having a look at sources on the article and online, I really only see what you call a WP:routine type of coverage on the announcement of his death. What's impressive know is that it is covered fairly globally, I saw sources from, America, Africa, Europe. But it's all the same thing, which is the announcement, I don't see how this is WP:LASTING. Regards. Govvy (talk) 21:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Delete, I believe it because of the references generated at the time following his death, I admit that it lacks notoriety and encyclopedic development. Alon9393 (talk) 08:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. I recommend that the nominator nominate the articles individually to avoid the problems that come with a bundled nomination. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2022–23 Kapfenberger SV season

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season article for second tier austrian side. has not been updated since before the season started and is clearly unfit for mainspace. I find no evidence that such an article could pass WP:GNG but should others disagree, moving to draftspace may be more appropriate. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 13:00, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am also nominating the following related pages as they are also not currently fit for mainspace and show no evidence of notability:

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Procedural close We've been through this before, different football clubs seasons can't be bundled and should not be bundled. You have to nominated them individually. Govvy (talk) 19:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all – The articles were formatted practically identically, are incomplete, have few sources and do not demonstrate WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The articles have been largely updated. Bayern Munich themselves loan players to these clubs so they can be considered to meet the criteria for significant coverage. EpicAdventurer (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete all per nom, although in future such bundling is not...ideal. Giant Snowman 18:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, they can be saved. Liefering's article, for example, is the season in which Red Bull Salzburg striker Karim Konaté rose to stardom. Isn't that worth covering?--EpicAdventurer (talk) 18:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EpicAdventurer I don't see how Konate playing for Liefering would consist of GNG-worthy coverage of their season or any content on the season article that wouldn't instead belong on Konate's. The league doesnt even get regular match reports on [kicker.at] or [skysportaustria.at], theres just not enough coverage of the 2. Liga to get close to justifying club season articles at this level. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 22:48, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like this: https://www.kicker.at/young-violets-gegen-liefering-2022-liga-oesterreich-4789178/schema ? EpicAdventurer (talk) 22:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EpicAdventurer that's not a match report, just a list of scorers and substitutions. compare to the coverage given to the Austrian Bundesliga - [17] Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This does not determine whether the article deserves to stay or not. If there are yellow cards and coverage like the statistics on SofaScore, it means that the league is as important as the Italian third division league or any lower league in a European country. EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yellow cards being recorded on SofaScore does not contribute towards GNG lol. to demonstrate that these articles are worthy of keeping you'll have to show meaningful secondary coverage of these club's seasons actually exists. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your going off script is a strong indication of who you are. EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EpicAdventurer what do you mean by this??? Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.skysports.com/football/fc-liefering-vs-sv-horn/teams/470426. https://www.sofascore.com/team/football/fc-liefering/7790. The 2. Liga is also listed as a professional league! EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 05:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1993 TAC Cup season

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I am bundle-nominating all league season pages of the Talent League competition for deletion. This bundle incorporates the 25 articles listed below.

On balance, these articles fail WP:GNG. This competition does not garner the level of coverage or references about its seasons and results to justify having season-by-season articles. I include the italicised caveat because, as this is the main underage recruitment competition in Victoria, the league's players and structure do receive a decent amount of non-routine individual coverage, as a WP:BEFORE search will attest; but this coverage is all primarily focussed on the league's function as an under-aged talent pathway. The seasons themselves (i.e. who won/lost, grand finalists, etc.) receive only passing WP:ROUTINE coverage. I note also that 19 of the 25 articles (those from 2000–2018) are currently based entirely on a single database reference, and those which aren't are almost entirely from non-independent sources. I see no valid alternative to deletion and that all content worth saving is already found on the main Talent League page.

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are all part of the same bundle:

Aspirex (talk) 22:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment sorry, but that's way too much for me to work through to see if it needs deletion or not. WP:TRAINWRECK. Govvy (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy: TRAINWRECK is a term for AfDs that cover many topics, but fail because the topics are too dissimilar – some are notable, others aren't. But surely any given TAC Cup season will be about as notable as the next? What makes you think TRAINWRECK applies here? – Teratix ₵ 02:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment it is possible that I did not make clear enough that these pages are all different seasons of the same competition with different sponsored names. Aspirex (talk) 05:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment @Aspirex and Teratix: Because on my first look, I assumed the AfD was for two different leagues. I didn't say don't delete, I just felt it was too much on one AfD. Maybe splitting between two AfDs might have been easier to manage for some people such as myself. Govvy (talk) 19:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment there is a strong case for deletion on the face of it – I would be surprised if enough sources exist for individual seasons of a state-level underage development competition. The point Aspirex makes about TAC Cup coverage mainly focusing on individual players or general aspects of competition structure, not specific results, rings true to me. – Teratix ₵ 02:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Aspirex, this AFD is not formatted correctly for a bundled nomination. You can't just write down a list of linked articles and consider them to be included in this nomination, our closing tool, XFDcloser will not recognize them as nominated articles. Please review the instructions at WP:AFD for nominating multiple articles and format this nomination correctly. No matter how this discussion is closed, this needs to happen. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Liz (talk · contribs) Thanks. Did this edit fix it or have I still missed something? Aspirex (talk) 05:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aspirex, everything looks good. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, I know from a closer's perspective it's frustrating to not have participants take a clear position, but frankly it would be very time-consuming to go through each season and exhaustively demonstrate no significant coverage exists. All I can do at this point is give my judgement as a user who has edited a fair amount in the area – based on my experience, probably the level of coverage is as Aspirex says it is. Perhaps soft delete, with no prejudice against someone who does find some coverage and wants to restart the pages? – Teratix ₵ 03:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request undeletion of these articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:16, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2017 TAC Cup Girls season

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I am bundle-nominating all league season pages of the Talent League Girls competition for deletion. This bundle incorporates the six articles listed below.

On balance, these articles fail WP:GNG. This competition does not garner the level of coverage or references about its seasons and results to justify having season-by-season articles. I include the italicised caveat because, as this is the main underage recruitment competition in Victoria, the league's players and structure do receive some non-routine individual coverage, as any WP:BEFORE search will attest; but this coverage is mostly focussed on the league's function as an under-aged talent pathway. The seasons themselves (i.e. who won/lost, grand finalists, etc.) receive only passing WP:ROUTINE coverage. Existing references in all six articles are sparse, and either come from databases or non-indepenent sources.

I see no valid alternative to deletion, and that all content worth saving is already found on the main Talent League Girls page.

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are all part of the same bundle of seasons:

Aspirex (talk) 22:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment per my comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1993 TAC Cup season (similar competition for men's football) there's a strong apparent case for deletion here. – Teratix ₵ 02:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The important (and, crucuially, sourced) information can be folded up into the main article. There isn't enough here apart from ROUTINE coverage to meet GNG. Black Kite (talk) 17:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. I don't see a case for a speedy keep, but after two weeks here, there is no support for the proposed bundled deletion. Feel free to renominate some or all in three months. Owen× ☎ 10:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2016 VFL Women's season

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I am bundle-nominating all league season pages of the VFL Women's competition for deletion. This bundle incorporates eight articles.

On balance, these articles fail WP:GNG, and this competition does not garner the level of coverage or references to justify having season-by-season articles. Existing references across all nine articles are almost exclusively non-independent sources (from the league's website, clubs' websites and scores databases), occasionally with a brief WP:ROUTINE article about the grand final result; in particular, although the recent articles have healthy-looking reference counts, it's largely padded by short non-independent, routine articles from club websites which fill out the tables of coaches, captains and best-and-fairest winners. WP:BEFORE searches for "VFL Women's" and "VFL Women's season", Google-filtered for news and excluding afl.com.au results, and the results are a very thin collection of local newspaper clippings which are closer to human interest stories than sports WP:SIGCOV.

I see no valid alternative to deletion, and that all content worth saving is already found on VFL Women's and List of VFL Women's premiers.

I am also nominating the following related pages under the bundle:

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Speedy keep: Competition receives WP:SIGCOV from what is left of the News Corporation legacy media, both at the statewide and local level. ProQuest has approx 400 keyword filtered references (there was 804 on my first pass through) for "VFL women" for the 2016 season alone, with spikes around the Grand Final and VFL/W Awards; across News, Fairfax/Nine and other Australian news sources. I find this AfD to be WP:POINTY and disingenuous. Merging these forks back into VFL Women's would result in an unweildy mess of an article. If the state-level competition of a women's Australian football competition does not warrant the little amount of referenced information currently present, are we WP:BUILDWP with useful encyclopedic content for future readers? Storm machine (talk) 11:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment how exactly is this a Speedy Keep 2c (making nominations of the same page with the same arguments immediately after they were strongly rejected in a recently closed deletion discussion)? Aspirex (talk) 22:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  the "2c" reference in my edit description was a shortening of my regular "2¢ plus GST" apologies for the confusion at your end. Storm machine (talk) 23:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Cool, thanks. Aspirex (talk) 23:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per @Storm machine's argument. I would be concerned if an article with 40+ references can be thrown away as part of a bulk AfD without any attempt from the nominator to improve it further. What is the end goal here? Gibbsy^spin 03:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My point is the following: yes, 2023 VFL Women's season has 43 references (I assume that's the one you're referring specifically to); 37 of them are statements from club websites which serve to fill out this table of the names of captains and coaches, and this table of best and fairest winners. Every Australian rules football season from the lowest suburban/country level to the highest professional level could be written to at least this standard using a mix of club website references and WP:LOCAL newspapers, but that doesn't make them notable. What I can't find despite looking is genuine independent WP:SIGCOV of the VFL Women's which elevates this league to the point that it should have individual season articles. This is not a question of improvement – any article can be improved – it's a question of assessing the body of available references and reaching a determination of notability or lack thereof. My end goal is that this league be treated like all other low-coverage leagues in the Australian rules football Wikiproject: a main article with a history section, a list of premiers/grand finals, a list of B&Fs, and club-by-club information split out among the individual club pages. Aspirex (talk) 23:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Questions then: where are you stopping? Why do the VFL/SANFL/WAFL season articles exist in their current forms? Have any of those competitions had WP:SIGCOV to your standards since their heydays? Or has coverage retreated to the margins? If this is your baseline, then how does any sports non-top level competition fit into your ideal? Shall we inform the editors who maintain the AIHL, Hockey One, or Queensland and NSW Cup rugby league season articles of impending AfD?

The VFLW/SANFLW/WAFLW competitions easily pass WP:GNG and maintain enough coverage from what's left of the legacy media and enthusiast press to justify the level of content present to have season articles the same way that their men's equivalents do. Storm machine (talk) 10:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you link some references? As I said in the nomination, my BEFORE searches have not yielded anything that looks like independent SIGCOV. I want to know what references you're looking at to draw your conclusion (and I'm sure the closer would want to see them as well). Aspirex (talk) 21:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Currently have nine non-AFL/club references for the 2024 season article, which given the amount of content compares rather favourably to say 2024 Carlton Football Club season to pick an article at random. Storm machine (talk) 02:22, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Half of those nine are routine match reports on the grand final. A couple are routine reports on NSW teams playing games against VFLW teams. Cherny's article is the only one which is genuine SIGCOV, but it is a general article about AFLW and VFLW pathways - it offers scant coverage of its VFLW season. Aspirex (talk) 03:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Go nuts and add more then: [18], [19], Storm machine (talk) 03:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A valuable collection of encyclopedic data, that is well resourced with both secondary and, yes, some primary sources. What harm does it do to keep this stuff? And it is a fair point, VFLW gets a broadly similar amount of media attention that leagues like Hockey One and the NSW Cup. So bring on the AfDs for all those articles and more just because you're pedantic. Global-Cityzen (talk) 00:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Victory Sports Network

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The article is devoid of citations indicating notability, and a cursory search suggests that this cannot be improved upon. It is WP:N CapnPhantasm (talk) 21:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Just posting some sources I found. [20][21] Not enough yet though. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment To go with the two sources that WikiOriginal-9 posted above I've found, [22], [23], Midwest sports net via YouTube, [24], some doc? not sure what it is, primary source? Is this blog the owner of the network? release notice I really could post loads of sources, a lot seem to be from colleges news sources for the network. I am unclear what to make of the lot of them. @GiantSnowman: I really am unsure, but there are a lot of hits on google, and I've just posted maybe a small selection. I used the search term Victory Sports Network -wikipedia -victorysportsnetwork.com At the moment my flag would be no consensus I can't tell whether it's a keep or delete from what I've seen. Govvy (talk) 07:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see enough there, sorry. Giant Snowman 18:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to go with keep but I don't dispute that the article sourcing needs improvement. I disagree that it is "devoid of citations" as the nominator states. Lacking? Yes. Devoid? No.--Paul McDonald (talk)
Delete: Of the sources in the article, they are either press releases or non-RS. Of the sources provided in the discussion, the first is a brief announcement which doesn't provide WP:SIGCOV, the second is about the unrelated network Victory Sports One, and the rest are in a similar vain as they are either about unrelated services with the same name or aren't reliable WP:SIGCOV. A search for better sources didn't reveal much more, and as such the WP:GNG is not met here. Let'srun (talk) 16:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question @Let'srun: Did I get some wires crossed and pick on sources for a different company? Govvy (talk) 19:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe so, at least for some of the sources you linked to. The first couple of sources you linked to is about a new team owned streaming service for the Dallas Stars which the article itself notes is "newly formed", and to my knowledge has nothing to do with this network, which was formed in 2002 and covers NAIA athletics. I think the rest of those sources are about this company but they are either primary sources/interviews or non-RS. Let'srun (talk) 20:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete:per discussions above. Notability doesn't seem to be established. Chris1834 Talk

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