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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Persikasa Sarolangun

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Fails WP:GNG guidelines, and I can find no non-passing coverage. Will retract if sources are found. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Consensus that sources in the article show notability. (non-admin closure) Toadspike [Talk] 21:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Julia Arnold (footballer)

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No evidence or claim of notability. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 20:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources and Julia Arnold played in the 2022–23 DFB-Pokal Frauen final. Dwanyewest (talk) 22:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per GiantSnowman. This article should be notable. Karol739 (talk) 08:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - She is also an artist 1 (page 8 and 9) 2 (page 4 and 5). Dougal18 (talk) 12:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources in article which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024–25 Taça da Liga

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Disputed draftification. Draftify until something happens, like the event at all. WP:TOOSOON 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support draftify as an ATD as this is TOOSOON. There is no SIGCOV of this event to satisfy N. Bobby Cohn (talk) 17:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Have you done a WP:BEFORE talking about the SIGCOV, in the language most associated with the tournament? May 2023 article on new format [1] May 2024 article on entrants [2] Article four days ago on fixtures [3]. I've never heard that articles on tournaments have to be hidden away before they actually start, and doing so with a month to go seems like a waste of everyone's effort. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep and improve by adding references. The tournament is clearly notable. In my opinion, it's not a WP:TOOSOON since the matchups were determinated for the first round of the tournament, so there are some useful contents in the article. Lâm (talk) 19:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't get this nomination, it's the equivalent of the EFL Cup in Portugal. There are sources online, have you even done a WP:BEFORE? [4], [5], [6]. Sorry, but this is a pathetic nomination and you should be WP:TROUTed. Govvy (talk) 19:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speed keep – Competition just over a month away from being started, article created within the expected time. Svartner (talk) 03:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - ongoing national tournament, clearly notable, bad nomination. Giant Snowman 18:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - Just improve the article. No need to draftify. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 21:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - We have sources about the new format, the final location and the fixtures. Why remove this from view until it starts in a month's time? Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium

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Unable to find any sources conferring notability. Most mentions in any sources appear trivial. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 15:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Venues of the 2022 Asian Games#Outside Hangzhou

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Redirect – Per Lâm. Svartner (talk) 03:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Zhang, Bin 张斌; Jin, Lu 金璐 (2023-09-16). "（杭州亚运会）浙江金华亚运场馆：草坪像"毛毯"，灯光会"跳舞"" [(Zhejiang Jinhua Asian Games Venue) The lawn looks like a "carpet", and the lights "dance".] (in Chinese). China News Service. Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19.
  The article notes: "9月19日，金华市体育中心体育场和浙江师范大学东体育场将迎来杭州亚运会第一轮足球小组赛的对阵。浙江师范大学东体育场同样经过改造，其草坪用肉眼看上去十分平整，实际上却是中间高、两侧低，有千分之三的坡度以防止雨季草坪积水。为此，工作人员在铺草时还运用卫星定位系统来确保精确。据工作人员介绍，金华市体育中心的体育馆和体育场所用灯具与杭州亚运会主场馆“大莲花”同款，这些LED灯有着节能环保电费省、坚固耐用寿命长、光线柔和无频闪、色彩丰富造型多等诸多优点。"
  From Google Translate: "On 19 September, the Jinhua Sports Center Stadium and the Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium will welcome the first round of the Hangzhou Asian Games football group match. The Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium has also been renovated. Its lawn looks very flat to the naked eye, but in fact it is high in the middle and low on both sides, with a slope of 0.3% to prevent water accumulation in the lawn during the rainy season. For this reason, the staff also used the satellite positioning system to ensure accuracy when laying the grass. According to the staff, the lamps used in the gymnasium and stadium of Jinhua Sports Center are the same as the "Big Lotus" main stadium of the Hangzhou Asian Games. These LED lamps have many advantages such as energy saving and environmental protection, low electricity bills, durability and long life, soft light without flicker, rich colors and many shapes."
2. Zhang, Feng 张峰 (2023-01-09). "亚运新景观丨3个城市，8座比赛球场，杭州亚运会足球赛，你准备去哪看" [New Landscape of Asian Games丨3 cities, 8 stadiums, Hangzhou Asian Games football match, where are you going to watch]. Qianjiang Evening News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19 – via Toutiao.
  The article notes: "浙江师范大学东体育场将承担3场男足小组赛和1场女足小组赛。项目改造提升涉及足球天然草坪、球场照明系统、扩声系统、功能用房、电视转播系统等方面，最多可容纳12241名观众同时观赛。主席台一侧座椅为亮红色，对侧橘黄色座椅中，还镶嵌着白色的四个英文字母：ZJNU，这是浙江师范大学英文的首字母，是浙师范的专属印记。足球场的天然草坪达到国家一级场地认证标准，采用了全自动天然草坪种植层APP远程监控系统，能对各项数值做到全时监控和预警。场馆还有智能灯控系统的一键启动，球场照明系统照度可达2000lux，是现有足球场地照明标准的最高级别。"
  From Google Translate: "The East Stadium of Zhejiang Normal University will host 3 men's football group matches and 1 women's football group match. The project renovation and upgrading involves the natural football turf, stadium lighting system, sound reinforcement system, functional rooms, TV broadcasting system and other aspects, and can accommodate up to 12,241 spectators at the same time. The seats on one side of the rostrum are bright red, and the orange seats on the opposite side are inlaid with four white English letters: ZJNU, which are the first letters of Zhejiang Normal University in English and the exclusive mark of Zhejiang Normal University. The natural turf of the football field meets the national first-level field certification standards, and adopts a fully automatic natural turf planting layer APP remote monitoring system, which can monitor and warn all values at all times. The venue also has a one-button start of the intelligent lighting control system, and the illumination of the stadium lighting system can reach 2000lux, which is the highest level of existing football field lighting standards."
3. Dong, Yixin 董易鑫; Ji, Junlei 季俊磊 (2022-04-16). "杭州亚运会足球小组赛赛场草坪：每周"理发"约两次" [Hangzhou Asian Games football group stage lawn: "haircut" about twice a week] (in Chinese). China News Service. Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19 – via Sina Corporation.
  The article notes: "位于金华的浙江师范大学东体育场将举行杭州亚运会足球小组赛，这里的草坪更新养护工作便由沈伟宏主要负责。这里种植的草坪是特殊培育的品种，草皮下面的铺设结构大致可以分为喷灌系统、排水盲管、砾石层、无纺布、约10厘米的中粗砂层、营养土(种植土)等。[quote] 据悉，这块草坪目前的色泽密度均一性、张力、平整度、渗水率、球的反弹率及滚动速度等各项检测数据均已具备承接国际赛事的资格。"
  From Google Translate: "The East Stadium of Zhejiang Normal University in Jinhua will host the Hangzhou Asian Games football group matches. Shen Weihong is mainly responsible for the lawn renewal and maintenance work here. The lawn planted here is a specially cultivated variety. The laying structure under the turf can be roughly divided into sprinkler irrigation system, drainage blind pipe, gravel layer, non-woven fabric, about 10 cm of medium-coarse sand layer, nutrient soil (planting soil), etc. [quote] It is reported that the current testing data of this lawn such as color density uniformity, tension, flatness, water permeability, ball rebound rate and rolling speed are all qualified to host international events."
4. "心心相融杭州亞運之旅系列：浙江金華傳統與現代交相輝映" [Heart to Heart Hangzhou Asian Games Journey Series: Tradition and modernity complement each other in Jinhua, Zhejiang]. Wen Wei Po (in Chinese). 2023-10-08. Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19.
  The article notes: "浙江師範大學東體育場：足球這場館總建築面積8,391平方米，在改造提升過程中，從足球場天然草坪、球場照明系統到擴聲系統、功能用房、電視轉播系統，都嚴格執行「綠色、智能、節儉、文明」的辦賽理念，足球場天然草坪達到國家一級場地認證標準，塑膠跑道達到中國田徑協會一類場地認證。"
  From Google Translate: "Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium: Football The stadium has a total construction area of 8,391 square meters. During the renovation and upgrading process, the "green, smart, frugal, and civilized" policies were strictly implemented from the natural lawn of the football field, the stadium lighting system to the sound reinforcement system, functional rooms, and television broadcast systems. According to the concept of hosting games, the natural lawn of the football field has reached the national first-level venue certification standard, and the plastic track has reached the first-level venue certification of the Chinese Athletics Association."
5. Jiang, Xiaolai 江小来 (2023-03-28). "杭州亚运场馆show丨浙江师范大学东体育场" [Hangzhou Asian Games Venue Show丨Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium]. Zhejiang Online [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-19. Retrieved 2024-09-19.
  The article notes: "浙江师范大学东体育场为亚运会足球项目比赛场馆，位于金华市婺城区，在金华亚运分村西北方向且相距约7.1公里。... 总建筑面积8391平方米，观众席位数11349个。"
  From Google Translate: "The East Stadium of Zhejiang Normal University is the venue for the Asian Games football event. It is located in Wucheng District, Jinhua City, about 7.1 kilometers northwest of the Jinhua Asian Games Village. ... The total construction area is 8,391 square meters, with 11,349 seats."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Zhejiang Normal University East Stadium (simplified Chinese: 浙江师范大学东体育场; traditional Chinese: 浙江師範大學東體育場) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shunkun Tani

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His claim to notability, playing 5 matches in the Japanese third league as well as some amateur competitions, is very weak. An absence of sources with significant coverage means that he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment What about the sources on ja:谷俊勲 ? Did you check them out? Govvy (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:12, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shunsuke Sunaga

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His claim to notability, playing 18 matches in Singapore, is weak. An absence of sources with significant coverage means that he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shun Kumagai

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His claim to notability, playing 154 minutes in the J League and 12 matches in Singapore, is weak. An absence of sources with significant coverage means that he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete While it seems like some sources could exist in languages other than English / Japanese where I can’t find them given that I don’t speak Chinese or Cambodian, the sources existing on the English and Japanese pages don’t seem to be enough to give notability, nor can I find any. Given his downwards movement through leagues it doesn’t seem likely though. Absurdum4242 (talk) 06:26, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Tony Yeboah. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Obed Yeboah

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Non-notable football player. Completely lacking WP:RS, and none would likely exist. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC, WP:GNG. Cabrils (talk) 06:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ortizesp: Where? Cabrils (talk) 01:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Coverage is nearly all from his club. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see it and I had a five minute look on google. Question to Ortizesp where on earth do you see significant coverage?? Govvy (talk) 19:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Tony Yeboah, where I just added him, per CHEAP and ATD. Not proven to be individually notable. It would be great if everyone can get behind this compromise. Pinging all previous participants in the debate: Ortizesp, Govvy, GiantSnowman, and Cabrils. gidonb (talk) 00:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be content with this re-direct, good suggestion @Gidonb. Cabrils (talk) 01:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm fine with a redirect. Giant Snowman 10:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per above. Svartner (talk) 18:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MP Port Dickson F.C.

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No-notable sports club. Fails WP:NTEAM, WP:GNG. Cabrils (talk) 05:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to 2010 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:24, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Kyong-il (footballer, born 1988)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 05:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 13:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2010 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea where his name is mentioned. Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is an unsourced stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. Lâm (talk) 16:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 17:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ribiyanda Saswadimata

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Replacement of PROD; played youth nationally, but only played 68 minutes with the Eunos Crescent. Might fail WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Roasted (talk) 23:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Clearly fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, an above average failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 04:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Very weak article, with a single reference that does not even offer much confidence. If no other sources are found to support it, it should be deleted. It is not so much about whether it contributes or not, but rather that it has a very weak documentary base. The moment others appear to corroborate it, go ahead with it.--181.197.42.150 (talk) 15:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. asilvering (talk) 22:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liberia at the Africa Cup of Nations

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All sources provided are match reports. And very little, if any, of the information here cannot be found in the Liberia national football team article and the two individual AFCONs in which Liberia appeared. Anwegmann (talk) 17:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – Need improvements, but it is a remarkable period for the Liberia national team. Also follows the same pattern as similar articles. Svartner (talk) 00:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep – established article type, see Category:Countries at the Africa Cup of Nations; needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 17:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Article can be expanded upon. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 21:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above article can be expanded.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—As nom, this all makes sense, especially as I "zoom out" and see other articles like it. I still think that these types of articles don't really do anything of benefit, unless the team's participation in the tournaments were somehow particularly notable, but I understand all the "keep" votes. Anwegmann (talk) 17:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Connall Ewan

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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. I found some routine transactional announcements (1, 2, 3) and interviews (1, 2, 3), but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 06:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion.

Civility is a pillar of Wikipedia and equally important is providing policy-based arguments in deletion discussions rather than insulting your fellow editors. Incivility is not only rude it is an ineffective strategy to keep an article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:21, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Griffin Tomas

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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage of this soccer player in independent sources to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 01:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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a quick little google search will tell you that he's played in two usl championship matches. omg i hate stupid people like you... -Soccerfan10001 — Preceding undated comment added 03:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please be WP:CIVIL. Also, playing in USL Championship matches has no relevance to WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't care less about your "civil" stuff mate, also go look at any other player with at least one usl champ/league one appearance, they have a page. Ex: Scott DeVoss, Klisman Sousa, A. J. Valenzuela, Noah Abrams, and a bunch more. You gonna go waste time and delete those too? - Soccerfan10001 — Preceding undated comment added 04:08, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Husam Hourani

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - To 1984 AFC Asian Cup squads#Syria

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. He played at two tournaments, so which do we redirect to??? Giant Snowman 18:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per Giant Snowman. Svartner (talk) 00:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No WP:SIGCOV Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 00:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. asilvering (talk) 23:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yang Song-guk

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 00:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I saw the film The Game of Their Lives and it has sigcov on him. I kept a notebook with the content discussing him that I'll have to find. I believe one scene had a player saying something like 'here's [North Korean] newspaper headlines I kept on all of our players' – so it's clear that the players (especially the significant ones like Yang) had sigcov. Let me draftify and I'll turn it into something good. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify per above. Just realized from this that documentaries can count as sigcov, thanks! May be able to write some articles based on subjects covered in documentaries. seefooddiet (talk) 12:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - played at the World Cup, Olympics, and managed the national team?! Clearly notable. Giant Snowman 18:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep – Due to the lack of sources, the tendency is for it to be deleted, but in fact this seems to be one of the most relevant players in North Korea. Svartner (talk) 00:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. Please provide a review of sources, if they don't provide notability, then perhaps draftification is the more realistic closure.
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Comment: There's some coverage on page 18 of this North Korean book [7] and in this book [8]. Is that enough for sigcov? Should be notable as the captain of the squad. Oaktree b (talk) 01:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - "Some coverage" is now routine match coverage in a book jam packed with lies from a country with a wholly unreliable media. The other book is just a sentence. Dratify shouldn't be an option as it is unlikely sigcov will emerge in the future. Dougal18 (talk) 08:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The film I mentioned above contains significant coverage (as well as a scene that went something like: "Every North Korean from his generation recognizes his face. Every younger North Korean recognizes the name 'Yang Song Guk, hero of the eighth World Cup'"). In addition, there's also another scene with a player showing a book full of newspaper clippings for the players from the Cup – so its clear they were well-covered (and the suggestion that everything from North Korean is wholly unusable is ridiculous – it should be used with caution, yes, but not outright banned). BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's biased out the wazoo, but we have confirmation (from the film) it's not made up. It's a source, that's all. Oaktree b (talk) 22:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per users above. Clealry significant figure in North Korean football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Strong arguments on both sides, with the Delete views carrying more P&G weight than the more numerous Keep views. However, I wasn't able to see a rough consensus either way. Feel free to renominate in three months. Owen× ☎ 14:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Felix Goddard

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Fails WP:GNG, no significant coverage, just stats/routine news. Giant Snowman 19:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It’s got significant coverage from what I can see. Stop pointlessly tagging pages for deletion - becoming quite pathetic now. 2A06:5902:180C:5800:59C9:B142:4513:9C80 (talk) 19:59, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stop editing from your IP, EnglishDude. Giant Snowman 17:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~. I see at least one example of WP:SIGCOV in a reliable source (Straits Times - ironically it's from the very beginning of his career) and that's enough combined with other coverage for a WP:NSPORT pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One source is not enough. Giant Snowman 17:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is for WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Incorrect - it says that "an athlete is likely to have received significant coverage in multiple secondary sources" (my emphasis). Giant Snowman 18:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article." Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"at least one" - and that even doing that "does not indicate notability". Giant Snowman 20:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Not seeing enough coverage. One article from the Strait Times mentioned above is not enough. Simione001 (talk) 00:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSPORT is a little looser than WP:GNG. Unlike with GNG, "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." Combine the one article with the extensive non-SIGCOV available, it's a pass on the SNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971, a WP:NSPORT pass isn't enough for AfD. See Q2 in the FAQ section. -- asilvering (talk) 21:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I've missed that question up entirely up to this point. (And Q1 notwithstanding, I don't fully understand why we have SNGs for sports at all if everything ultimately has to come back to GNG.) Delete. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, and I missed your reply. The "why" here (from my perspective, anyway) is a little bit "because team GNG-only haven't so conclusively won the argument that the SNGs are totally deprecated" and a little bit "so you can guess whether a subject is notable or not without having to go look for coverage" (for example, when you're doing NPP or so on). -- asilvering (talk) 05:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Sufficiently referenced to pass in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As above, only one source has currently been found with SIGCOV. That is not enough to pass GNG. Sources must be multiple. Have you found any others? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:57, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there's a disagreement among participating editors here on how to read WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the !vote says this passes GNG, which is incorrect. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The Lancashire Telegraph articles are a RS. I found this [9] and [10], should be enough for an article, in addition to what's in the article now for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I reviewed those early on. The Irish Independent is just a long set of quotes from Goddard's manager with no actual reporting; I don't think it counts as independent SIGCOV. The Telegraph article is WP:ROUTINE transfer coverage. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
transfer coverage that's about the player, still counts Oaktree b (talk) 03:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, standard transfer coverage is definitely classed as WP:ROUTINE. Giant Snowman 17:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Agree that the Lancashire Telegraph article is WP:ROUTINE. This is a football player for a professional club. If this player is notable, then all club players are notable. Could well be WP:TOOSOON in that the player could become notable in the future but there is no way to know that. Does not currently meet GNG Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Given the slightly unique nature of the LOI Premier Division, I believe it should meet the notability guidelines set by WikiProject Football with some reasonable flexibility. Excluding University College Dublin (UCD), all the other clubs in the league operate on a fully professional basis. This is a situation where a professional player (Goddard) is making appearances against professional players at professional clubs.

While the guidelines suggest that a player is generally notable if they’ve appeared in a fully professional league (which technically isn’t the case here due to UCD), surely these are guidelines - not strict policies? Shouldn’t we allow some flexibility in cases like this, where the vast majority of the league is professional? We're not disregarding the guidelines but rather applying them in a way that stays true to their purpose—recognising players competing at a professional level.

In addition to above sources, there's Dundalk Democrat coverage, further Irish Independent talking about Goddard's performances, BBC Sport match coverage. In fact, if you dive a bit deeper into Google, there's many more sources that mention Goodard by name in match reports from sufficient sources. Josh (talk) 08:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Match coverage is not SIGCOV, it s routine. Playing at professional level is irrelevant, WP:NFOOTBALL has been abolished. All that matters is coverage. Giant Snowman 09:41, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Per users above. Young player with ongoing pro career who already has sources and will get more playing in one of Irelands most high profile clubs. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - borderline, the Lancashire Telegraph and Dundalk Democrat coverage isn't stellar but across the various articles I do think it adds up to something together with the Straits Times, and the articles do include biographical information of the subject beyond direct quotes or signing details. I don't quite buy the argument that if Goddard is notable then any professional player is notable; I've definitely come across many professional players who have less coverage available (and whose articles do not typically survive AfD). _signed,Rosguill ^talk 13:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to 1966 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Li Dong-woon

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 00:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 1966 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per above. Svartner (talk) 00:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to 1992 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Kyong-il (footballer, born 1970)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - To 1992 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Lâm and GiantSnowman. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#France. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Bottini

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Football biography fails WP:GNG, WP:NSPORT with no WP:SIGCOV in independent, secondary reliable sources. The only sources are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or database directories like this one. He fails WP:NOLYMPIC as a substitute for a team that did not apparently medal. I propose either to delete or to redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads as was done earlier this year before being reverted. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#France as possible search term.

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The result was redirect‎ to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#France. asilvering (talk) 23:00, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gustave Ducousso

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Another football biography fails WP:GNG, WP:NSPORT with no WP:SIGCOV in independent, secondary reliable sources. The only sources are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or database directories like Olympedia. He fails WP:NOLYMPIC as a substitute for a team that did not apparently medal. I propose either to delete or to redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads as was done earlier this year before being reverted. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 16:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify‎. ✗plicit 11:04, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tobiáš Diviš

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for this Slovak men's footballer to meet WP:GNG. He only played 48 matches in lower leagues. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The correct facts are 23 matches in Slovakia's highest league and 30 in the second league. Geschichte (talk) 21:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 14:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Draftify or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify: While they don't seem notable at the moment, they could 100% have coverage around them in the future. Article seems in okay shape, so I'd rather move it to draftspace where it can be worked on rather that a flat-out deletion. Sir MemeGod  17:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article is nominated for deletion by the base it fails WP:GNG. References are poorly-formatted too. I don't think Diviš will gain any significant coverage in the future, since the clubs he has played for are certainly not well-known outside Slovakia, but of course we won't make WP:CRYSTALBALL predictions. In its current state, the article is written like a database or directory and does not contain anything about what Diviš accomplished to prove that he deserves a Wikipedia article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The clubs don't need to be well-known outside of Slovakia. We only need reliable sources from within Slovakia. Being notable in one location is enough for an entry in the English Wikipedia. How the references are formatted is not a reason for deletion. Geschichte (talk) 07:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per above. Active first-tier player who has also made his U21 international debut, there is coverage at the moment but not significant enough yet. I am also bewildered by some of the statements by the nominator. Geschichte (talk) 07:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎ after history merging. ✗plicit 11:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lucas Sant

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Subject lacks significant coverage in reliable, independent, secondary sources. (I would draftify, but a draft already exists - which can be incubated until the subject is ready for mainspace). Paul W (talk) 09:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft Send to draft space, possibly notable in the future, but not seeing it at the moment. Govvy (talk) 10:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A draft already exists, Govvy - hence the AfD here. Paul W (talk) 11:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This version is better, histmerge this one to draft and SALT until it's in good state. Govvy (talk) 12:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 16:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. NB that article creator has a long history of creating articles in mainspace that are already in draft... Giant Snowman 19:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 03:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexis Scholl

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The claim to notability, playing 66 minutes in the second league of Portugal, is extremely weak. There are some sources, but they seem like WP:ROUTINE transactional news: [11] [12] [13]. These two might be more substantial, but are paywalled: [14] [15]. Perhaps someone can access them? Either way, his achievements were so minor that I don't think it meets the policies. Geschichte (talk) 03:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 03:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Armenis Kukaj

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23 games in Albania’s highest league, brief career in the semi-pro second tier. I am unable to find significant coverage of the player, which would be needed to satisfy WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I only found this as well as this, where the news outlet bears the Wordpress logo, i.e. looks like a blog. Geschichte (talk) 03:42, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per WP:GNG. Sir MemeGod  15:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clearly does not pass the notability criteria. Ktrimi991 (talk) 15:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Challenge Cup (Austria-Hungary). asilvering (talk) 23:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Gramlick

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Fails WP:NBASIC. No significant coverage. C F A 💬 22:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Nothing that supports its own article, the relevant information about the subject is the competition created by him. Svartner (talk) 00:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: not enough coverage to establish notablity for a standalone article. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Challenge Cup (Austria-Hungary), @Svartner and Vestrian24Bio: The article for the Challenge Cup seems maybe to be an important part of the history of football for the region, although severely under-sourced. My recommendation would a redirect to the article, as he is mentioned there and it's pretty much already whats on this article. Your thoughts? Regards, Govvy (talk) 14:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Redirect. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He doesn't seem to have any relevance as a search term. Svartner (talk) 14:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CHEAP applies. Giant Snowman 20:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect seems fair. AA (talk) 13:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect is fine. Bearian (talk) 21:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Challenge Cup (Austria-Hungary): per Govvy's rationale. Sir MemeGod  22:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aniq Raushan

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 5 games in Singapore. Geschichte (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aiman Zavyan

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 298 minutes in Singapore. Geschichte (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails GNG and Sportcrit. Sources won't help much. Old-AgedKid (talk) 08:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hariysh Krishnakumar

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 168 minutes in Singapore. Geschichte (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 00:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shahrulnizam Mazlan

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 10 games in Singapore. Geschichte (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaziosmanpaşaspor

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Talk page suggests it be considered for deletion Chidgk1 (talk) 16:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, no reason to delete. Third-level club with lots of coverage during many years. Geschichte (talk) 17:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per Geschichte, needs improving not deleting. Giant Snowman 18:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per Geschichte. Svartner (talk) 00:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably keep Although I find it a little odd I wasn't so good at finding the best sources, but again just because there are no sources on an article, doesn't mean they don't exist. Perfect example of WP:NEXIST. Govvy (talk) 14:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Plenty of coverage by news and other publications, some of which are on Google Books and Scholar Aintabli (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep‎. Withdrawn. asilvering (talk) 23:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2016–17 Turkish Cup

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There is certainly a lot of numerical data here but unfortunately the only reference is one of the regulations not the scores Chidgk1 (talk) 16:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, highly notable. Do you know what the Turkish cup is? Geschichte (talk) 17:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did not know what the Turkish Cup is but the article on it is a reasonable size, so I cannot see the point of keeping this article as the scores in it are not sourced Chidgk1 (talk) 04:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - the national cup competition in Turkey, clearly notable - nominator has not done a BEFORE. Giant Snowman 18:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly the Turkish Cup is notable and that article already has many stats including scores in the finals Chidgk1 (talk) 04:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Passes on WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Snow keep Really now, like GS said, just do a WP:BEFORE, yes the article lacks sources, but that by no means does not make it a notable competition. Govvy (talk) 10:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy Finding a source for the preliminary, 1, 2 and 3 rounds and checking it against the article might be easy for you but it is not for me Chidgk1 (talk) 11:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What are you wanting exactly? You can mirror the scores, like this one with soccerway, that can be used as a citation for stats, then you have sources like tntsport, [16]. There are Turkish news services which I don't use where you can also pick sources from, but sorry Chidgk1, I feel this is a bad nomination and not thought out. Regards. Govvy (talk) 12:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All the results are now sourced. As the only reason given for nomination was that the results were not sourced, can we now close this.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes thanks very much Chidgk1 (talk) 06:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Article creator has been unable to convince anyone else that this player is notable. asilvering (talk) 20:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oleksandr Pshenychnyuk

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New sources are either from the league in which he plays or are basic WP:ROUTINE coverage about a specific game with no meaningful coverage of the player himself. This is not WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 15:50, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The new sources (sport.ua/2024-09-14, ua-football.com/2024-09-15) have nothing to do with the league (UPL) in which Pshenychnyuk plays, and imho they are not something like WP:ROUTINE coverage. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I've reviewed the new sources and none of them show significant coverage. Sport.ua confirms that he scored his first goal and that he is a midfielder but the rest is pure Q&A with no independent analysis. UA-Football confirms his age and number of appearances and then copies and pastes the same Q&A from the previous source, so is also not sufficient. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the most important thing about a source according to WP:SIGCOV is not evidence of notability, but rather sufficient and significant coverage on the topic. Imho the source provides it. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 08:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The source provides information about the importance of the goal scored by the player. In addition, there is information about the player's technical skills that he used to score. The article also provides statistical information about the player. The importance of the victory the team acquired through the player's goal is also mentioned. In my opinion the source presents a compact but good analysis that can be considered as significant coverage. Adding the other two sources (sport.ua/2024-09-14, ua-football.com/2024-09-15) to the source gives, in my opinion, sufficient and significant coverage here. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sourcing deeply insufficient for GNG. Routine match reports never count towards notability, and that is definitely what the handful of sources here are. JoelleJay (talk) 23:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are other sources (for example source-1, source-2, source-3) that I think provide the GNG/WP:SIGCOV. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 12:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – If the creator Web-wiki-warrior agree to submit this time. I see good faith in the creation of the article, but the notability of the sources still raises doubts. Svartner (talk) 00:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not necessarily questioning good faith here, as it's certainly not bad faith, but the creator's understanding of what is significant and meaningful coverage is deeply, deeply flawed, and this has been shown over several articles/AfDs now. I think submission should be an absolute minimum for any kind of draftification. Anwegmann (talk) 03:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide an example of what you think is sufficient and significant coverage when it comes to an wikipedia article about a football player. 80.149.46.228 (talk) 08:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See this example of significant coverage for Leah Williamson. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is an excellent example. Thank you. Anwegmann (talk) 23:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Spiderone: Thank you for example, but that doesn't lead me to think that at least following sources (source-1, source-2, source-3) don't provide WP:SIGCOV about Oleksandr Pshenychnyuk. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 11:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are just passing mentions from what I can read... ಠ_ಠ ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Clara A. Djalim: Sorry, but imho you are wrong ... 1. The sources I mentioned/provided (source-1, source-2, source-3) are not passing mentions. 2. I don't think you can read Ukrainian, so in this context, I don't think you can judge 100% whether the content of the sources mentioned above provides WP:SIGCOV or not. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 10:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General question: Is an interview (for example at least for 30 Minutes) with the football player that was published as a YouTube video considered as sufficient and significant coverage? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 08:42, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per last AFD. I really don't see potential as a draft since almost nobody outside Ukraine knows the clubs he played for. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Clara A. Djalim: Sorry, but imho you are wrong again if we take a closer look at your sentence "almost nobody outside Ukraine knows the clubs he played for". Pshenychnyuk plays for Ukrainian Premier League side FC Chornomorets Odesa. If you don't know the team doesn't mean nobody outside Ukraine knows the club he plays for. If we take a look at Wikipedia article FC Chornomorets Odesa (it's the club Pshenychnyuk plays for), we can see that article is provided by 37 languages. Furthermore, it is not a criterion of WP:SIGCOV whether someone outside Ukraine knows/doesn't know football teams from the Ukrainian Premier League. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 10:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jung Sang-hoon (footballer)

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The claim to notability, playing 4 minutes in the KLeague and some in lower divisions, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that, and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 13:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chen Tao (footballer, born 1995)

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The claim to notability, playing 17 minutes in the Chinese Super League and 9 games in China League Two, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that – being WP:ROUTINE, match reports or not about him – and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, played 30 minutes in Albania's highest league and a handful of games in Kosovo. All the sources I could find were databases, social media, trivial mentions and a number of WP:ROUTINE transactional announcements: [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as it fails to pass the notability criteria. Ktrimi991 (talk) 16:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Johnson

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Playing 1 international match for a very small country is not a credible claim to notability anymore. I cannot find any additional sources about this guy, although there are many other Mario Johnsons spread across the English-speaking world. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 10:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024–25 Iraq Stars League squads

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This type of squad overview for a league in a specific season isn't really a thing Wikipedia does. It therefore fails WP:NOT. Geschichte (talk) 09:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per consensus at a very similar AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Myanmar National League squads Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 00:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, this is overkill, does WP:NOSTATS apply to this? Govvy (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep will be updated constantly, more sources will be available as the league commences (clubs will announce squads etc.) as evidence of notability, although I understand that Wikipedia doesn't have such pages A1lfcIRQ (talk) 22:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per previous consensuses not to have these sort of squad articles for football seasons. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:33, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simón Veras

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There is no evidence this athlete passes WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT. I can find no WP:SIGCOV. (Contested PROD.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 07:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Soo-yeon

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The claim to notability, playing 15 matches in South Korea 15 years ago, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 18:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is an unsourced stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. And his article in the Korean Wikipedia is a stub with little to no WP:RS. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 18:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 00:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 13:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nomination and Clara, could not find any significant coverage. Sir MemeGod  13:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenta Kakimoto

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The claim to notability, playing 739 minutes in the second Japanese league, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 18:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ruan (footballer, born 1991)

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The claim to notability, starting 2 matches each in a Brazilian regional tournament and the third tier of Greek football (as well as 8 additional substitutions on), is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 18:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not a database of every footballer ever. Playing single-figures totals in the third tier state football in Brazil, second tier in Greece and third in Japan, being untraceable from the age of 25, is not WP:GNG. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 10:55, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Viktor Úradník

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Úradník played a total of 904 minutes in 16 matches to date. All I found were an interview and contract extension; nothing to indicate that he meets WP:GNG. Considering that almost no Slovak clubs are well-known outside their homeland, I don't see this article as a potential draft. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Denis Balla

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 80 minutes in Albania’s highest league. Continued in the semi-pro second tier after that. Searching for sources, I exclusively find databases and trivial mentions, as well as several unrelated namesakes. Geschichte (talk) 05:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete deleting all these articles of non-notable football players it taking a lot of time from productive editors. Ktrimi991 (talk) 16:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Geri Selita

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 14 matches in Albania’s highest league. Currently active in the semi-pro second tier; however, I am simply not able to find a single source with something resembling significant coverage. This routine/trivial mention was the best I could find. What do you think? Geschichte (talk) 05:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: All I found were a few more transactional announcements (1, 2), but nothing substantial. Fails GNG and SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 17:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this one as well. Per above. Ktrimi991 (talk) 16:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lukáš Tóth

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 32 minutes in Slovakia’s highest league. Continued in the second tier after that. His name is common, so I searched in conjunction with his club names and came up very light. This, this and this are all just match reports. This is just a summary of who played in the junior squad in 2015. Geschichte (talk) 05:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. By the way, the first three sources are match reports in news format, not like this one as an example on ESPN.1. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sun Qibin

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Playing 3 games in the Chinese Super League, as well as 18 more in China League Two, is a weak claim to notability. Sources are two squad listings in table format as well as one match report. As such the player fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 05:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joel McGregor

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Nothing has really changed since the last AFD - yes, he made a few sub appearances at the end of last season (totalling 217 minutes per Soccerway), but there remains no significant coverage, everything is pretty much match reports and stats sites, fails WP:GNG. No spectacular career that would justify keeping Giant Snowman 07:01, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pinging those at last AFD - @Zoglophie, Anwegmann, and Svartner:. Giant Snowman 07:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: No coverage here to meet the WP:GNG, would also consider a SALT here as well. Let'srun (talk) 12:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Considering that the incubation period in draftspace was not respected. Svartner (talk) 00:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominator's rationale and I'd also advocate for WP:SALTING if this continues after this Afd. zoglophie^•talk• 12:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and WP:SALT, not much more to say, other than this kind of behavior is really annoying. Allan Nonymous (talk) 18:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:00, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Finn Ashworth

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Non-notable young player who fails WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 07:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft Send to draft space, clearly not main space material. Govvy (talk) 09:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Draftify obviously and per Govvy Intrisit (talk) 16:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 00:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I am not wholly averse to draftify, but I don't see how that will help in this case. The subject is non notable. They may be notable one day, but is there any reason to believe that will be soon enough that the draft would not expire? If it will be deleted anyway, we might as well let it go now. A WP:REFUND would be available in the future if they became notable. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:43, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mason Rees

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Non-notable young player, fails WP:GNG, now playing in non-league and unlikely to be notable any time soon, if at all. Giant Snowman 07:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Sometimes they make it back to the league, most times not. On the face of whats on the article, there is little and certainly not notable on account of WP:BASIC, so delete. Regards. Govvy (talk) 09:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Although some editors opposed this option, I'm closing this discussion as a Draftify as an ATD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Moore (footballer, born 2003)

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PROD removed by article creator, no reason given. No significant coverage, everything is pretty much match reports and stats sites, fails WP:GNG. No spectacular career that would justify keeping. Giant Snowman 20:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Once again this page is not "pretty much match reports and stats sites"!

Please check the sources and READ the article as well as sources before making false statements about another one of my pages EnglishDude98 (talk) 21:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is made up of one more type of source: primary sources. In general that means sources created by himself, his family, his employer or his association - in this case, all news published by his own club are primary. They can be used, but do not provide notability for a subject. Geschichte (talk) 05:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly - where is the significant coverage? The fact that @EnglishDude98: does not understand notability requirements remains concerning. Giant Snowman 06:53, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article shouldn't have been Prod'ed in the first place, because there are multiple citations in play, all-be-it mostly primary, makes it not an article you can PROD. There are some secondary sources on there, but many people call them routine coverage. @EnglishDude98: I suggest you read through WP:V and try and find those sources which users today would call WP:SIGCOV. Regards. Govvy (talk) 09:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will check later, thanks for the help and advice in this matter @Govvy EnglishDude98 (talk) 09:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why does an article having multiple sources mean you can't PROD it? Giant Snowman 14:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The difference between complicated and uncomplicated, a page with multiple sources will always be challenged, 90% of admins will reject a prod like that. Prod is for straight forward simple deletions. Govvy (talk) 17:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it is for an uncontroversial deletion, which is not the same thing at all. Giant Snowman 15:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 00:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Nothing even close to approaching IRS SIGCOV, and there is no point in draftifying something that has no hope of sourcing appearing in the near future. The current page has 15 citations to his club/league (not independent and not secondary), 6 citations to stats pages (not secondary, not SIGCOV), and 4 citations to utterly routine match reports, none of which contain even a sentence on Moore. JoelleJay (talk) 23:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per JoelleJay statement. Footballer with a very common birth name, making it difficult to find significant coverage for this one. I don't see this article as a potential draft. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft I am going to say draft with the hope that he could come notable, he is only 20 years old, I don't see why it can't be worked on in draft space. Govvy (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there is disagreement on whether or not this article should be draftified.
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Draftify. I don't see a current pass on WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT, but he's an early career player and I see no reason to draftify in the event sources emerge in the near future. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maddi Wilde

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of this footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. A few transactional announcements (2023, 2024), but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 19:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I originally reviewed this article and passed it because a brief search for sources I did found 1 2 plus the articles listed in the nomination, all of which are secondary sourced articles about her, and include more than trivial content. Some of them are based around transfer announcements, but they all contain more than a passing mention with content such as quotes and information about her as a player. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The routine transactional announcements have two sentences of coverage each, with the rest being quotes. Every mention of Wilde in the OneFootball article is a re-hashing of something she said while the WSLFullTime article is another routine transactional announcement. JTtheOG (talk) 20:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if I'm missing a WP:NSPORTS policy here but what is the policy that says articles about transactions don't count towards coverage? I would also dispute the characterization of the OneFootball article. It's an article focusing on coverage of things she said and her performance on the field as well as her relation to the team, she is the primary subject of the article; I can't really see anything that wouldn't make it WP:SIGCOV. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 23:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes from the subject are not significant coverage. We want to see what other people say about Wilde, not what she says about herself and her team. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sourcing is nowhere close to the IRS SIGCOV required by NSPORT. The OneFootball article has zero secondary independent coverage of Wilde: every single sentence is either reporting what she said or is about something other than her. And on top of that it's also a reprint of a FAWSL piece, so it and the routine transactional announcement count as ONE source of non-GNG coverage. Not to mention that FAWSL appears to be SPS -- it's essentially a blog written and edited by one person, and such sources can NEVER be cited in BLPs. So in effect we have no RS coverage at all. JoelleJay (talk) 23:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per JoelleJay, not much else to add. Note that Wilde is young and may become notable in the future so no prejudice against creating again should she gain some significant coverage. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ning Weichen

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The claim to notability, playing 17 minutes in the Portuguese second tier and 2 minutes in the Chinese Super League, as well as some on lower tiers, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 18:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, very minor appearance in China's top league. LibStar (talk) 04:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Li Haoran (footballer, born 1993)

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The claim to notability, playing 11 games in League One and a few minutes as a substitute in the highest league, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 18:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zhang Ziru

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The claim to notability, playing 25 minutes in the Chinese Super League and some on the third tier, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 18:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Torneo de Copa 2018–2019

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I could not find significant coverage of the topic or reliable sources, the article only has a mere existence. Alon9393 (talk) 16:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Incomplete with zero sources. It may be redone in the future, but now it is a case for WP:TNT. Svartner (talk) 17:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No content, and not part of a series - Torneo de Copa does not even exist. Geschichte (talk) 03:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ōtākaro FC

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This relatively new youth-only football club fails WP:GNG; there is no WP:SIGCOV of the club in independent, secondary, reliable sources. (It may just be WP:TOOSOON since this club isn't yet two years old, so I would support draftification as an AtD if other editors agree, but deletion is also an appropriate outcome.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete it's WP:TOOSOON fails WP:GNG and lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 16:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. It's merely a football school. Svartner (talk) 17:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no sigcov. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 07:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: while I do agree that they probably fail WP:GNG at the moment, I do see some potential notability coming from them in the future. Probably WP:TOOSOON. Sir MemeGod  19:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yu Hao (footballer)

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The claim to notability, playing 111 minutes in the Chinese Super League, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Xegma(talk) 13:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Sir MemeGod  19:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Libor Koníček

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The claim to notability, playing 142 minutes on Slovakia’s highest level, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Xegma(talk) 13:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 12:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deng Yanlin

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The claim to notability, playing 8 games in Hong Kong, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Xegma(talk) 13:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Based on insufficient references. Mevoelo (talk) 14:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nothing to establish notability here. Subject fails GNG --- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 09:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 12:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miroslav Almaský

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The claim to notability, playing 239 minutes on Slovakia’s highest level, is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Xegma(talk) 13:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to 2034 FIFA World Cup#Venues. ✗plicit 12:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Qiddiya Coast Stadium

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It's WP:TOOSOON and it is set to be built for 3 years from now.

I'm also nominating the following:

Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:40, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2034 FIFA World Cup#Venues – To avoid recreating the article unnecessarily. Svartner (talk) 17:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
part merge and redirect to Riyadh. Svartner That tournament is way off. Considering the city/town they are building in, I feel that article would be a better choice. It could be notable in the future, but that is a long way off and also running WP:CRYSTAL. @Miminity: I really don't think this is the best bundling because I feel King Khalid University Stadium needs a different venue article, that being Abha. Govvy (talk) 17:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, the relevance of the topic is being one of the venues for the 2034 World Cup. Svartner (talk) 00:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Svartner: And when they are done with the world cup, they will be used for other football clubs, then there is the multifunctional use. Other sports maybe played at these venues, so redirecting to where you said doesn't help those. etc. Govvy (talk) 08:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, support 2034 FIFA World Cup#Venues as the target. @Govvy: Before the World Cup even starts, I'm most certain the stadiums will have full-fledged articles, no later than the date the construction is finished - which negates the concern that the redirect target might change. PS. If consensus is reached here, the same action may be taken WP:BOLDly to other stadiums that don't exist yet such as Neom Stadium. Geschichte (talk) 03:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. asilvering (talk) 21:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dav Nim

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Article recreated after 2022 deletion, but the sourcing fails to show WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources, and thus the subject once again fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – There are four sources in Cambodian, could anyone check them? Svartner (talk) 01:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Svartner I ran machine translation on all four as part of my BEFORE. Assuming the translation was reasonably accurate they are either WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or WP:ROUTINE match/transfer coverage, not WP:SIGCOV. In any case, they're each only a few paragraphs long so not enough to get into any depth on Nim. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No WP:SIGCOV. Seems like author is trying to stretch info to make article seem substantial. Chris1834 Talk 21:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mihajlo Butraković

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Biography of a Serbian football player shows no WP:SIGCOV in independent sources and thus fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 03:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - Maybe someday but nothing significant as of now. Chris1834 Talk 21:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As nominator I am open to draftify as an AtD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question: what's the grounds for draftifying? I'm not seeing any reason why this wouldn't just result in a G13 time out? -- asilvering (talk) 21:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ghim Kumari Gurung

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of this footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All passing mentions. JTtheOG (talk) 18:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – The subject does not have enough news coverage.Mysecretgarden (talk) 04:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - member of National football squad. nirmal (talk) 02:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This criteria is not sufficient, especially for less relevant national teams. Svartner (talk) 14:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Shows as playing from 2016 - current. Quick search looks like she retired in 2023. 7 years with no coverage. Chris1834 Talk 20:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adrien Thibaut

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PROD removed by article creator, no reason given. Ni significant coverage, everything is pretty much match reports and stats sites, fails WP:GNG. No spectacular career that would justify keeping. Giant Snowman 17:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It is NOT pretty much match reports and stats though. There is references that back up what I put within the article, Crewe Alexandra's website is on there numerous times as are other references which support my research into Adrien Thibaut's career from what I found online. EnglishDude98 (talk) 17:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Articles from his own club does not go towards SIGCOV. Giant Snowman 18:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Check the other references and read the articles please, you'll see that it is NOT pretty much match reports and stats sites as per your above comment. EnglishDude98 (talk) 18:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources show significant coverage? Giant Snowman 20:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Draft Decent start for the article, but certainly needs to play more professional football and to be talked about by secondary sources. Govvy (talk) 20:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – Per Govvy. Svartner (talk) 03:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with @Govvy- page is better off moving into the draft space for now. 2A06:5902:180C:5800:50F1:C4DF:B59:9E61 (talk) 08:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – Agree with Govvy. Even as a Crewe fan, I think this needs more significant coverage in reliable, independent, secondary sources. Paul W (talk) 09:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - Per above. Chris1834 Talk 20:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandros Maskanakis

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Fails WP:NSPORT, WP:GNG. No evidence of WP:SIGCOV in independent, secondary, reliable sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Nothing here. Chris1834 Talk 20:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 22:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2014 AC Nagano Parceiro season

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Fails WP:GNG. Severe lack of sources and content. The only reference is from a primary source. EpicAdventurer (talk) 13:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Creator is globally locked. The page is not great, but is a part of a series of 2014 J3-League club seasons. Geschichte (talk) 11:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, it’s part of an entire series of articles for the different Japanese football leagues which not only tracks the competitions year by year, but the teams too. Cutting out a single article in the series seems like it would break up the series for no good reason, when the information itself is super clearly presented, and threaded, in a way I haven’t been able to find anywhere else online.

In my opinion deleting it would take away something useful. For that reason, I have the page a solid edit tonight. I’ve still got to go ahead and add match report links to each individual game, but I think I at least covered the basics.

This is such a useful resource that I’m going to make it a mission to pick through all the rest of the articles in the series one by one, and expand / source each of those as well. So it would be really nice if you didn’t delete this one article as I’m doing that…

Vote to keep. Absurdum4242 (talk) 14:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Sorry, new to this, didn’t realise I should have made a * and bolded my keep recommendation until I reread the guide again just now. Mea Culpa.

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Draftify - Significant sources have been added and an editor has expressed interest in expanding further. At minimum, move to draft to give editor time to continue to improve. Chris1834 Talk 20:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Obviously I’m not voting again, having already voted, but I’ll further explain my reasoning having spent the duration of this deletion discussion attempting to edit the article into compliance.

As the article stood when nominated (by a user who has since quit, after having several of his articles similar to this one likewise nominated for deletion / draftified, but then kept - having made “why are mine deleted when there are articles like these” type arguments), it completely lacked sources and content. The nomination was a fair cop. Since the nomination though, I’ve found and cited several sources, reworked the article in ways which I believe both clearly lay out the season, and that prove there was significant coverage in Reliable, Independent, Secondary sources, with the likelihood of there being more sources out there which I have not yet found (searching in Japanese, my second language, slows things down, but this was the first full season in a newly formed professional competition in a major developed country - the chance of there not being more sources that I just haven’t found yet is basically zero.

I would like to just remind people voting that the criteria is that sources proving notability are likely to exist, not that they are cited in the article as currently written. The appropriate policy is

- “ Notability requires only that suitable independent, reliable sources exist in the real world; it does not require their immediate presence or citation in an article. Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility or existence of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article. Thus, before proposing or nominating an article for deletion, or offering an opinion based on notability in a deletion discussion, editors are strongly encouraged to attempt to find sources for the subject in question and consider the possibility that sources may still exist even if their search failed to uncover any.”

I am not accusing anyone of arguing for deletion in bad faith, I think we are all trying to do what is right here, but I would like to ask anyone leaning towards deletion to ask themselves whether it is in part because they are not interested in the topic of the article, and don’t really consider foreign language sources to count when judging reliability on an English Wikipedia page.

I’m going to keep poking away at the article, searching for more sources, and editing if I have time, and honestly I think that efforts to gradually improve the article is a better way to approach this rather than deletion, but I’ll leave that up to you guys now that I’ve said my piece. Absurdum4242 (talk) 05:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. The article has been improved, although I only see one independent/secondary source (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't really have a P&G-based view on this, but in general an article on a season of a sports team that's more than a stub and meets WP:V generally satisfies the criteria for a WP:SPLIT and has a valid navigational/informational purpose, even if there isn't WP:SIGCOV of the season itself. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for commenting. Just re sources, some of them are press releases from the league, but apart from the one you mentioned, we have a report on the need for the stadium development / licensing requirements from an independent community development organisation, a historical overview of the stadium redevelopment from the government of another prefecture who is looking to build stadiums there, an article in an online soccer magazine explaining the promotion / relegation games system (it was the inaugural season, so the system was new) giving dates and teams for the matches, and finally an overview of the full season, and of individual matches (one so far, but I’ll add them all eventually if this article is kept) by an independent sports data collection and visualisation company which doesn’t just get the data from the official sources, but also watches the games to collect their own extra data, which it then synthesises into proprietary secondary statistic (Chance Building Points being the main one), and visual game timelines. Absurdum4242 (talk) 05:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 14:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nuno Pereira (footballer, born 1996)

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Not able to find any WP:SIGCOV of this footballer to meet requirements of WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG. (Nota bene, there's another footballer with the same name but born a different year.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I see that I tagged this for notability some years ago; another Algrim creation from when the guidelines were different. The claim to notability is playing one league (second tier) and two cup games for Leixoes, which is a very weak claim. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 06:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - 25ish games in almost a decade...not notable. Chris1834 Talk 20:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 14:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barbora Polcarová

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Article fails WP:GNG. All references listed are primary and I can't find significant coverage in reliable, secondary ones. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – References are primary, interviews or profiles. Mysecretgarden (talk) 04:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. There's a clear consensus against keeping this in mainspace, and broad support for draftifying as an ATD. Owen× ☎ 13:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brad Manguelle

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Google News yield no results. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 10:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:SPORTCRIT and also lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 14:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also nominating the following:

Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 10:42, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:SPORTCRIT and also lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 14:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 03:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: WP:TOOSOON applies here, as there is a lack of WP:SIGCOV today for these subjects to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 14:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 18:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - current but not notable. Maybe someday. Chris1834 Talk 20:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fumiya Suzuki (footballer, born 1998)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Playing 6 games in Singapore and some in the Japanese third tier is a very weak claim to notability. No significant coverage. Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 07:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Nothing here. Chris1834 Talk 20:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tatsuya Sambongi

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Playing 13 games in Singapore is a very weak claim to notability. No significant coverage. Creator is indefinitely blocked. Geschichte (talk) 07:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - One year and done. Not notable. Chris1834 Talk 20:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Akiya Wada

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Playing 14 games in Singapore is a very weak claim to notability. No significant coverage. Creator is indefinitely blocked. Geschichte (talk) 07:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see any reason to Keep it here. Non-notable topic with no sigcoverage. Old-AgedKid (talk) 08:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Played less than a season as a pro. no highlights. Chris1834 Talk 20:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Koki Sato

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Playing 14 games in Singapore is a very weak claim to notability. No significant coverage. Creator is indefinitely blocked. Geschichte (talk) 07:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per others above. Chris1834 Talk 20:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lü Xue'an

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Does not appear to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. Undertook a search for name in Chinese and did not yield much. Player of lower Chinese league China League Two. LibStar (talk) 01:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment According to his Japanese Wikipedia article, he's played for the Shonan Bellmare, making him a professional player who's played in Japan's top tier. Adding nomination to the Japan list. _dk (talk) 03:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't read Japanese, but what I do read is the numbers beside the Japanese club in the infobox: 0. In other words he did not play in any tier. The English article has the Japan spell as one of his youth clubs, i.e. not professional. Geschichte (talk) 12:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Unfortunately, the creator made a lot of articles that (barely) fit with the guidelines of the day, now obsolete, and do not fit with current guidelines. Cleaning it up is a large, but necessary undertaking. Geschichte (talk) 12:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete' – Fails in WP:GNG, or at least, in WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 03:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Probably not enough to save the article but have fleshed it out a bit. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 20:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Not enough here. Chris1834 Talk 20:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:15, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duong Thanh Tung

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Does not pass WP:GNG. He does not have a single start in a professional football competition and the sources used do not document his notability. Maybe speedy deletion per A7 is possible. FromCzech (talk) 05:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think for this player does pass WP:GNG with all the articles in Vietnam's big football journals about him. He recently signed a pro contract with a club in Vietnam's highest division, and is registred in the squad for the league. His pro debut will only be a matter of time. Lâm (talk) 10:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I wrote, the sources used do not document his notability. Wiki is not a player database and a few possible starts for a professional club won't change anything about that. This player has not accomplished anything yet, and we are not predicting from a crystal ball whether he will ever accomplish anything. The page can be created in a few years, when he has dozens of starts, and it will be written about something other than his first pro contract. FromCzech (talk) 11:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete—Appears to fail WP:GNG, although there is certainly a career that may be documented and/or documentable. Anwegmann (talk) 18:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The article has some sources in Vietnamese, have they been checked? Svartner (talk) 23:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article from Bóng Đá Plus provides a significant coverage about the player, detailing his family background, career, and playing style. Additionally, there's also the article from Dân Việt that also gives a resume of his career and his playing style.It's worth noting that the player recently signed with the runners-up of the previous season in Vietnam's top football division. This significant move, in my opinion, justifies why a player from low-tier Czech teams deserves a Wikipedia article. Lâm (talk) 13:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SPORTSPERSON: Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability. WP:SUSTAINED: There have been reports of him entering professional football, but that's not enough as he may not make it. I would recommend to draftify the page and consider renewing the article in a year, in two, depending on career development and other media reports. FromCzech (talk) 13:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - As proposed by @FromCzech sounds the better solution. Svartner (talk) 03:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify - Looks like he could hit GNG eventually but not quite there. Chris1834 Talk 19:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As suggested above as well, I would be okay with draftification. Anwegmann (talk) 01:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrej Nguyen

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Does not pass WP:GNG. He does not have a single start in a professional football competition and the sources used do not document his notability in any way. Maybe speedy deletion per A7 is possible. FromCzech (talk) 05:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – He's actually quite well-known in Vietnam, due to his call up to the Vietnam national under-23 football team. There are a lot of articles about him in Vietnamese, which I believe do pass the WP:GNG. But as you mentioned, he did not have a single game in a professional football competition, and also no appearance for Vietnam youth national teams. I see this article as WP:TOOSOON . I think a draft is the best solution. Lâm (talk) 06:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like a single call-up to the U23 preliminary squad will make you famous in Vietnam? LOL. A draft is a reasonable option. FromCzech (talk) 06:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, his case is particular. He was one the first Vietnamese diaspora player playing abroad to get a call up to the national youth team. That explains why he got a lot of attention of the media Lâm (talk) 10:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thplam2004: Could you link here to some of the biggest articles about him? That can help editors decide his notability. --SuperJew (talk) 20:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article from Tiền Phong covered completely his family background, his career and his journey to get called up Vietnam U23 team. There are so many articles covering the player such as 2 , 3 , 4 and many more. In fact he was called up to the Vietnam national team in September 2023 but he withdrew the call up (source) Lâm (talk) 04:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Fails WP:GNG without enough of a career to assume the existence of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep as the references cover the player significantly and surely passes WP:GNG. However, what make me consider is that the player doesn't have much of a career, but the fact that he got call up to the Vietnam national football team makes it valid to keep this article. What do you guys think? Lâm (talk) 09:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just repeating myself, but passing GNG criteria is not confirmation of notability, and we are talking about youth team, not a senior team, and about a preliminary squad as he withdrew the call up, not a final nomination. And this is a one year old event; since then, he has not appeared anywhere. Given that no one was in favor of keep in the discussion before the relisting, a consensus is being sought whether to draft or delete. FromCzech (talk) 09:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I wouldn't call this WP:TOOSOON as no WP:SIGCOV existed. In a general view, the article doesn't meet WP:SPORTSBIO and seeing that no coverage has ever existed, turning into a draft wouldn't help either. Pls delete entirely and went a little notability is sensed, an editor may commence from scratch or request the previous deleted information. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify‎. ✗plicit 00:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Jong-min (footballer, born 1947)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete also lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 17:53, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - played at the Olympics and managed the national team, clearly notable - needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 20:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Improve per GiantSnowman. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 18:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and improve as per above

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Keep: as per GiantSnowman. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 13:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per GiantSnowman has played in the Olympics and managed the national team.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~: I'm failing to see the notability here. The references provided are just profiles and clearly doesn't have any SIGCOV. I'm not convinced of the established notability comment per GiantSnowman. Taking part in Olympics doesn't warranty any notability, if there aren't any sources backing it up. My search results also turned out nil and clearly no SIGCOV or GNG met. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After reading through BF11's comment, it's evidence some notability might be present in the North Korean sources. I'm okay with a draftify too. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is clearly one of the examples were requiring strict SIGCOV compliance is patently absurd. Where on earth are we supposed to go to find North Korean newspaper archives? I can only note that in a scene in the film The Game of Their Lives (regarding the 1966 North Korean team), one North Korean player showed a book full of newspaper headlines for the top players with the national team – so it is obvious that the sport was very well-covered at the time and I don't see why a few years later would have been any different. Another way to notability would be WP:ANYBIO if Kim received any of the top honors in North Korea, which would be either Merited Athlete or People's Athlete. Looking up his name (김정민) in relation to the title Merited Athlete (공훈체육인) I get results including a piece from the Minju Choson stating in the preview "화원1동에 입사한 만경대구역상하수도관리소의 김정민，량은향 로동자부부 ... 공훈체육인칭호가 수여되였다． 로력훈장이 1명에게，국기훈장 제2급이 18명 . [Kim Jong-min and Ryang-hyang, workers of the Mangyongdae District Waterworks Management Office in Hwawon 1-dong, were awarded the title of Meritorious Sportsman.]" – I have a strong feeling this was him (esp. given that we have no other North Korean 'Kim Jong-min's) but I receive warning messages when entering the site so I can't look further. Searching his name in relation to the 'Mangyondae District Waterworks Management Office' ("입사한 만경대구역상하수도관리소" "김정민") brings up another piece from the Rodong Sinmun further discussing 'Kim Jong-min and Ryang-hyang' ("화원1동에 입사한 만경대구역상하수도관리소의 김정민, 량은향 로동자부부는 현대적인 살림집을 받아안고보니 우리 원수님의 은덕이 너무도 크고 ... [Kim Jong-min and Ryang-hyang, workers of the Mangyongdae District Waterworks Management Office in Hwawon 1-dong, received a modern house and realized that the grace of our Marshal was so great...]") but likewise I cannot access it further. IMO I'd like to keep this given how accomplished he is and how ridiculous it is to find North Korean newspaper sources. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: I agree with BeanieFan11's argument - proving WP:GNG for a North Korean would be extremely difficult. At the same time, the article gives very little information about the subject and needs improving. It makes sense to draftify and find sources to add to it so that it can be more useful to readers.DesiMoore (talk) 16:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd support that outcome and would expand it when I get the chance. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – Per above. Svartner (talk) 22:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. I recommend that the nominator nominate the articles individually to avoid the problems that come with a bundled nomination. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2022–23 Kapfenberger SV season

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season article for second tier austrian side. has not been updated since before the season started and is clearly unfit for mainspace. I find no evidence that such an article could pass WP:GNG but should others disagree, moving to draftspace may be more appropriate. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 13:00, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am also nominating the following related pages as they are also not currently fit for mainspace and show no evidence of notability:

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Procedural close We've been through this before, different football clubs seasons can't be bundled and should not be bundled. You have to nominated them individually. Govvy (talk) 19:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all – The articles were formatted practically identically, are incomplete, have few sources and do not demonstrate WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The articles have been largely updated. Bayern Munich themselves loan players to these clubs so they can be considered to meet the criteria for significant coverage. EpicAdventurer (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete all per nom, although in future such bundling is not...ideal. Giant Snowman 18:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, they can be saved. Liefering's article, for example, is the season in which Red Bull Salzburg striker Karim Konaté rose to stardom. Isn't that worth covering?--EpicAdventurer (talk) 18:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EpicAdventurer I don't see how Konate playing for Liefering would consist of GNG-worthy coverage of their season or any content on the season article that wouldn't instead belong on Konate's. The league doesnt even get regular match reports on [kicker.at] or [skysportaustria.at], theres just not enough coverage of the 2. Liga to get close to justifying club season articles at this level. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 22:48, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like this: https://www.kicker.at/young-violets-gegen-liefering-2022-liga-oesterreich-4789178/schema ? EpicAdventurer (talk) 22:54, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EpicAdventurer that's not a match report, just a list of scorers and substitutions. compare to the coverage given to the Austrian Bundesliga - [23] Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This does not determine whether the article deserves to stay or not. If there are yellow cards and coverage like the statistics on SofaScore, it means that the league is as important as the Italian third division league or any lower league in a European country. EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yellow cards being recorded on SofaScore does not contribute towards GNG lol. to demonstrate that these articles are worthy of keeping you'll have to show meaningful secondary coverage of these club's seasons actually exists. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your going off script is a strong indication of who you are. EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EpicAdventurer what do you mean by this??? Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.skysports.com/football/fc-liefering-vs-sv-horn/teams/470426. https://www.sofascore.com/team/football/fc-liefering/7790. The 2. Liga is also listed as a professional league! EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 05:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1993 TAC Cup season

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I am bundle-nominating all league season pages of the Talent League competition for deletion. This bundle incorporates the 25 articles listed below.

On balance, these articles fail WP:GNG. This competition does not garner the level of coverage or references about its seasons and results to justify having season-by-season articles. I include the italicised caveat because, as this is the main underage recruitment competition in Victoria, the league's players and structure do receive a decent amount of non-routine individual coverage, as a WP:BEFORE search will attest; but this coverage is all primarily focussed on the league's function as an under-aged talent pathway. The seasons themselves (i.e. who won/lost, grand finalists, etc.) receive only passing WP:ROUTINE coverage. I note also that 19 of the 25 articles (those from 2000–2018) are currently based entirely on a single database reference, and those which aren't are almost entirely from non-independent sources. I see no valid alternative to deletion and that all content worth saving is already found on the main Talent League page.

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are all part of the same bundle:

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Comment sorry, but that's way too much for me to work through to see if it needs deletion or not. WP:TRAINWRECK. Govvy (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy: TRAINWRECK is a term for AfDs that cover many topics, but fail because the topics are too dissimilar – some are notable, others aren't. But surely any given TAC Cup season will be about as notable as the next? What makes you think TRAINWRECK applies here? – Teratix ₵ 02:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment it is possible that I did not make clear enough that these pages are all different seasons of the same competition with different sponsored names. Aspirex (talk) 05:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment @Aspirex and Teratix: Because on my first look, I assumed the AfD was for two different leagues. I didn't say don't delete, I just felt it was too much on one AfD. Maybe splitting between two AfDs might have been easier to manage for some people such as myself. Govvy (talk) 19:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment there is a strong case for deletion on the face of it – I would be surprised if enough sources exist for individual seasons of a state-level underage development competition. The point Aspirex makes about TAC Cup coverage mainly focusing on individual players or general aspects of competition structure, not specific results, rings true to me. – Teratix ₵ 02:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Aspirex, this AFD is not formatted correctly for a bundled nomination. You can't just write down a list of linked articles and consider them to be included in this nomination, our closing tool, XFDcloser will not recognize them as nominated articles. Please review the instructions at WP:AFD for nominating multiple articles and format this nomination correctly. No matter how this discussion is closed, this needs to happen. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Liz (talk · contribs) Thanks. Did this edit fix it or have I still missed something? Aspirex (talk) 05:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aspirex, everything looks good. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, I know from a closer's perspective it's frustrating to not have participants take a clear position, but frankly it would be very time-consuming to go through each season and exhaustively demonstrate no significant coverage exists. All I can do at this point is give my judgement as a user who has edited a fair amount in the area – based on my experience, probably the level of coverage is as Aspirex says it is. Perhaps soft delete, with no prejudice against someone who does find some coverage and wants to restart the pages? – Teratix ₵ 03:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request undeletion of these articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:16, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2017 TAC Cup Girls season

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I am bundle-nominating all league season pages of the Talent League Girls competition for deletion. This bundle incorporates the six articles listed below.

On balance, these articles fail WP:GNG. This competition does not garner the level of coverage or references about its seasons and results to justify having season-by-season articles. I include the italicised caveat because, as this is the main underage recruitment competition in Victoria, the league's players and structure do receive some non-routine individual coverage, as any WP:BEFORE search will attest; but this coverage is mostly focussed on the league's function as an under-aged talent pathway. The seasons themselves (i.e. who won/lost, grand finalists, etc.) receive only passing WP:ROUTINE coverage. Existing references in all six articles are sparse, and either come from databases or non-indepenent sources.

I see no valid alternative to deletion, and that all content worth saving is already found on the main Talent League Girls page.

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are all part of the same bundle of seasons:

Aspirex (talk) 22:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment per my comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1993 TAC Cup season (similar competition for men's football) there's a strong apparent case for deletion here. – Teratix ₵ 02:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The important (and, crucuially, sourced) information can be folded up into the main article. There isn't enough here apart from ROUTINE coverage to meet GNG. Black Kite (talk) 17:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. I don't see a case for a speedy keep, but after two weeks here, there is no support for the proposed bundled deletion. Feel free to renominate some or all in three months. Owen× ☎ 10:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2016 VFL Women's season

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I am bundle-nominating all league season pages of the VFL Women's competition for deletion. This bundle incorporates eight articles.

On balance, these articles fail WP:GNG, and this competition does not garner the level of coverage or references to justify having season-by-season articles. Existing references across all nine articles are almost exclusively non-independent sources (from the league's website, clubs' websites and scores databases), occasionally with a brief WP:ROUTINE article about the grand final result; in particular, although the recent articles have healthy-looking reference counts, it's largely padded by short non-independent, routine articles from club websites which fill out the tables of coaches, captains and best-and-fairest winners. WP:BEFORE searches for "VFL Women's" and "VFL Women's season", Google-filtered for news and excluding afl.com.au results, and the results are a very thin collection of local newspaper clippings which are closer to human interest stories than sports WP:SIGCOV.

I see no valid alternative to deletion, and that all content worth saving is already found on VFL Women's and List of VFL Women's premiers.

I am also nominating the following related pages under the bundle:

Aspirex (talk) 22:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports and Australia. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Football. TarnishedPath^talk 08:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep: Competition receives WP:SIGCOV from what is left of the News Corporation legacy media, both at the statewide and local level. ProQuest has approx 400 keyword filtered references (there was 804 on my first pass through) for "VFL women" for the 2016 season alone, with spikes around the Grand Final and VFL/W Awards; across News, Fairfax/Nine and other Australian news sources. I find this AfD to be WP:POINTY and disingenuous. Merging these forks back into VFL Women's would result in an unweildy mess of an article. If the state-level competition of a women's Australian football competition does not warrant the little amount of referenced information currently present, are we WP:BUILDWP with useful encyclopedic content for future readers? Storm machine (talk) 11:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment how exactly is this a Speedy Keep 2c (making nominations of the same page with the same arguments immediately after they were strongly rejected in a recently closed deletion discussion)? Aspirex (talk) 22:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  the "2c" reference in my edit description was a shortening of my regular "2¢ plus GST" apologies for the confusion at your end. Storm machine (talk) 23:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Cool, thanks. Aspirex (talk) 23:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'd like to hear more opinions.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per @Storm machine's argument. I would be concerned if an article with 40+ references can be thrown away as part of a bulk AfD without any attempt from the nominator to improve it further. What is the end goal here? Gibbsy^spin 03:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My point is the following: yes, 2023 VFL Women's season has 43 references (I assume that's the one you're referring specifically to); 37 of them are statements from club websites which serve to fill out this table of the names of captains and coaches, and this table of best and fairest winners. Every Australian rules football season from the lowest suburban/country level to the highest professional level could be written to at least this standard using a mix of club website references and WP:LOCAL newspapers, but that doesn't make them notable. What I can't find despite looking is genuine independent WP:SIGCOV of the VFL Women's which elevates this league to the point that it should have individual season articles. This is not a question of improvement – any article can be improved – it's a question of assessing the body of available references and reaching a determination of notability or lack thereof. My end goal is that this league be treated like all other low-coverage leagues in the Australian rules football Wikiproject: a main article with a history section, a list of premiers/grand finals, a list of B&Fs, and club-by-club information split out among the individual club pages. Aspirex (talk) 23:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Questions then: where are you stopping? Why do the VFL/SANFL/WAFL season articles exist in their current forms? Have any of those competitions had WP:SIGCOV to your standards since their heydays? Or has coverage retreated to the margins? If this is your baseline, then how does any sports non-top level competition fit into your ideal? Shall we inform the editors who maintain the AIHL, Hockey One, or Queensland and NSW Cup rugby league season articles of impending AfD?

The VFLW/SANFLW/WAFLW competitions easily pass WP:GNG and maintain enough coverage from what's left of the legacy media and enthusiast press to justify the level of content present to have season articles the same way that their men's equivalents do. Storm machine (talk) 10:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you link some references? As I said in the nomination, my BEFORE searches have not yielded anything that looks like independent SIGCOV. I want to know what references you're looking at to draw your conclusion (and I'm sure the closer would want to see them as well). Aspirex (talk) 21:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Currently have nine non-AFL/club references for the 2024 season article, which given the amount of content compares rather favourably to say 2024 Carlton Football Club season to pick an article at random. Storm machine (talk) 02:22, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Half of those nine are routine match reports on the grand final. A couple are routine reports on NSW teams playing games against VFLW teams. Cherny's article is the only one which is genuine SIGCOV, but it is a general article about AFLW and VFLW pathways - it offers scant coverage of its VFLW season. Aspirex (talk) 03:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Go nuts and add more then: [24], [25], Storm machine (talk) 03:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A valuable collection of encyclopedic data, that is well resourced with both secondary and, yes, some primary sources. What harm does it do to keep this stuff? And it is a fair point, VFLW gets a broadly similar amount of media attention that leagues like Hockey One and the NSW Cup. So bring on the AfDs for all those articles and more just because you're pedantic. Global-Cityzen (talk) 00:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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