Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jews in sports

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List of Jews in sports

At present this is a huge, unmanageable list of Jews who are prominent in sports.

Delete this, unless this is whittled down to a list of sportsmen whose faith or ethnic affiliation somehow had a bearing on their career, e.g. because they had to overcome prejudice or wouldn't compete on religious holidays. Pilatus 15:26, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Dlyons493 Talk 16:51, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Pilatus. And even then probably delete on the grounds that a category would do the job just as well without inviting entries insufficiently important to have WP entries. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] (W) AfD? 17:03, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Pilatus and Guy. Dpbsmith (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Pilatus. A list of trailblazers against prejudice and discrimination would be notable. A list of their successors is not. Durova 21:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Pilatus. Edwardian 21:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Perhaps because of the stereotype that Jews aren't good at sports, Jewish athletes generate a lot of interest. See, for example, www.jewishsports.com, www.jewishsportsreview.com, www.jewishsports.net, etc. A list might allow for extra info (e.g., "converted after end of career") not possible in a category. -- Mwalcoff 02:55, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete per Pilatus. I'll change to keep if someone demonstrates these were trailblazers against discrimination or, like Sandy Koufax, dealt with conflicts between religious observance and major sports events (Koufax refused to pitch in an opening game of the World Series because it fell on Yom Kippur). Durova 06:54, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As evidence that these lists do not reflect a neutral point of view, I point out that virtually all of the lists of these kind are lists of people whose achievements are in areas considered respectable and praiseworthy. If the purpose of these lists were the neutral compilation of information, then, since Wikipedia considers porn stars to be encyclopedic, and includes a List of male porn stars and List of female porn stars, I would expect to see religious/ethnic breakouts of these, too. But in fact, we do not. The motivation for these lists is the patently the cultivation of ethnic/religious/national pride. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is not an appropriate use of Wikipedia. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:25, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Although odd if you want say a list of confirmed Papal mistresses or Catholic suicides I don't think I'd go for deletion. There already is List of sexually active popes. Although it offends me on some level I'll concede it's notable in history. Things like "Jewish criminals" I thought was sounding like flame bait, and also too broadly defined. There were Jewish gangsters during prohibition so I could cautiously see a List of Jewish-American gangsters(if heavily scrutinized) as historically noteworthy in the way List of Italian-American mobsters was considered to be. As for Catholic suicides the religion is so down on suicide, traditionally, I could see some historical value.--T. Anthony 04:35, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Antidote 07:45, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Note We already have a List of Jewish American Athletes and corresponding sports sections on Jewish country lists. Aren't these lists just over doing it? Look at the revisions that have transpired at List of Roman Catholics Antidote 23:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jews (2nd nomination), when if anyone delete, please tell my talk page. --Sheynhertz _געשׁ״ך 07:12, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep - a very interesting cultural phenomenon. - Londoneye 18:35, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the nom calls this list huge (does not look huge to me) and seems to be suggesting that it can be improved. --JJay 18:52, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to List of Jewish sports figures. I really dislike the "Foos in bar" verbal form for lists and cats. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 23:02, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep - RachelBrown 22:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep I suppose this makes more sense than a lot of the other lists - I have seen lists of ethnicities in terms of sports. 72.144.71.234 05:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep LazarKr 07:22, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename per Lulu. Kappa 12:59, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - There's really nothing "unmanageable" about this list. --Αλεξ [[User talk:Alex S|Σ]] 02:05, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete What country lists and categories are for. StabRule 23:37, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the list is not huge as nom claims. Arniep 17:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.