Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008 Egyptian bus accident

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to List of traffic collisions (2000–present). as an ATD. I didn't find the Keep arguments terribly strong but this content could be Merged to a related article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:42, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2008 Egyptian bus accident

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Lacks sustained coverage and had no lasting effects. Just a WP:News article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Transportation, and Egypt. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Good grief. Fails everything from WP:GNG to WP:LASTING and WP:NOTNEWS and all points inbetween. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Just imagine if an accident that killed 55 people that happened in the UK or USA was nominated for deletion! Clearly WP:SYSTEMIC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per WP:EVENTCRIT and WP:NOTNEWS: Whilst tragic, with the casualty count being high, significant or in-depth sustained continued coverage of the event seems to be lacking along with demonstrable lasting effects. WP:EVENTCRIT#4 states that routine kinds of news events including most accidents – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance, which this event also lacks. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a horrific thing to contemplate that a road accident killing 55 anywhere in the world wouldn't be notable. We've got little to go on, there are news reports but little ongoing coverage. That said, I don't read Arabic, it seems likely that there would be sustained non-English coverage. I'm going to say unsure in that I would hope that there was more than I'm seeing. JMWt (talk) 09:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete – (Revised vote) – Borderline in my opinion. I've found some "detailed" coverage dating back to 2008 plus one in 2013, however, the lack of actual sustained continued coverage post-2009, and the lack of demonstrable lasting effects are enough for me to vote delete, albeit a weak one. As WP:EVENTCRIT#4 says, routine kinds of news events including most accidents – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance, which this event also lacks. Sources found:^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "كارثة جديدة تتعرض لها مصر" [A new disaster is facing Egypt]. Al Fajr (in Arabic). Turess. 17 December 2008. Archived from the original on 25 July 2013. Retrieved 19 October 2024.
^ "مصرع 46 مصريا بعد انقلاب حافلة في قناة مائية" [46 Egyptians killed after bus overturns in canal] (in Arabic). Al-Quds Al-Arabi. Agence France-Presse. 17 December 2008. Retrieved 19 October 2024.
^ "النائب العام يأمر بمحاكمة المتهمين فى انقلاب أتوبيس الصعيد الأحد القادم" [The Attorney General orders the trial of the accused in the Upper Egypt bus accident next Sunday]. El-Bashayer (in Arabic). 17 December 2008. Retrieved 19 October 2024.
^ Ghaffar, Minya (2 October 2013). "أهالى المنيا يطالبون بإسناد طريق "مصر- أسوان" الزراعى للقوات المسلحة" [Minya residents demand that the "Egypt-Aswan" agricultural road be assigned to the armed forces]. Youm7 (in Arabic). Retrieved 19 October 2024.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Tails Wx 04:34, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify: The article obviously needs some work, but could meet criteria if sufficiently sourced and expanded. SirBrahms (talk) 07:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just out of interest, what work would you suggest (or, indeed, perform yourself)? Did you look at any available sources or evaluate the current sourcing of the article? Would you recommend any sources to add to it? And if so, what sources would you recommend for consideration? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 17:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•Keep As said above by @SirBrahms Article does need some work, but 55 fatalities is notable and should stay as an article even if there are no reliable or good sources. I'm sure this article could be saved and increased to a good grade if we put in some work. @Thebiguglyalien Lolzer3k 17:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AS per my comment above, what 'work' would you put in to increase this article to a 'good grade'??? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 17:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source retrieval and expansion. This article is a WP:STUB that cites no sources. there is indefinetly atleast one or many sources that could help enlarge this article. @Alexandermcnabb Lolzer3k 17:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The quality of sourcing for a single event with no enduring influence does not address WP:LASTING "An event that is a precedent or catalyst for something else of lasting significance is likely to be notable." and therefore we have a report of a single incident which is where we fail WP:NOTNEWS. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of traffic collisions (2000–present) per WP:ATD and WP:CHEAP. The notability has been established above and I would have definitely supported a keep if the article was long enough. It isn't. In it's CURRENT form this is an unjustified SPINOFF. We do not need an article on each accident. Only if these are notable enough (✅) and we happen to write enough on the accident (❌). No objection to draftication, if someone wants to work on this later. Do ping me if expanded before this AfD ends! gidonb (talk) 04:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of traffic collisions (2000–present) - I'm not seeing lasting coverage here, but if there's coverage in the future it can be split from the list. Suriname0 (talk) 19:00, 27 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[1] "كارثة جديدة تتعرض لها مصر" [A new disaster is facing Egypt]. Al Fajr (in Arabic). Turess. 17 December 2008. Archived from the original on 25 July 2013. Retrieved 19 October 2024.

[2] "مصرع 46 مصريا بعد انقلاب حافلة في قناة مائية" [46 Egyptians killed after bus overturns in canal] (in Arabic). Al-Quds Al-Arabi. Agence France-Presse. 17 December 2008. Retrieved 19 October 2024.

[3] "النائب العام يأمر بمحاكمة المتهمين فى انقلاب أتوبيس الصعيد الأحد القادم" [The Attorney General orders the trial of the accused in the Upper Egypt bus accident next Sunday]. El-Bashayer (in Arabic). 17 December 2008. Retrieved 19 October 2024.

[4] Ghaffar, Minya (2 October 2013). "أهالى المنيا يطالبون بإسناد طريق "مصر- أسوان" الزراعى للقوات المسلحة" [Minya residents demand that the "Egypt-Aswan" agricultural road be assigned to the armed forces]. Youm7 (in Arabic). Retrieved 19 October 2024.

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