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edit- Code page 720 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, including the six currently in the article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Twinkle could not notify the article creator because they're indefinitely banned. If there's any users I should notify about this AfD, please let me know. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Computing, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Syria. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, although a redirect to Code page#DOS code pages could work in theory, I seriously doubt the article has enough views to warrant an optimal redirect. Conyo14 (talk) 18:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or Transwiki per my rationale for Code page 3846 above. Davemc0 (talk) 18:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Shafiqa al-Qibtiyya (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Per WP:GNG, WP:BASIC; lacks significant coverage in independent, reliable secondary sources, consists mainly of incidental details and the available sources provide no appropriate depth or independent analysis to establish notability as per the former. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 15:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Artists, and Dance. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 15:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Easy keep, coverage here [1] and [2] Oaktree b (talk) 16:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Two more for fun [3], [4] Oaktree b (talk) 16:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- WP:GNG states "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage"; the coverage in these sources is nonsignificant, per WP:SIGCOV. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 16:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep She was the first famous belly dancer. There are plenty of information about her. I do not understand why she should not be notable. Of course, most information would be in her native language. But that is a common scenario about a notable person who has before the age of internet not been very well known in the English language.--Aciram (talk) 16:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Being the "first famous [blank]" does not inherently equate to WP:NOTE and a stand-alone article. Per the latter, the individual must be significantly documented in reputable, secondary sources that provide more than just biographical data; incidental mentions or superficial coverage, even if in multiple sources, do not meet the threshold for notability, see WP:NBIO. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 17:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Egypt. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Why not look at the other language versions? One of them is of substantial length. Many notable people do not have substantial coverage in the English language. Nonetheless they are notable. If people need to be substantially covered in English language sources, many hihgly notable people who where mostly written about in their native language would not be here, but they are; and should be, since wikipedia does not require English language sources. That is one of wikipedia's advantages: to spread knowledge. Being the first internationally famous individual of her profession, as well as the first individual of her profession that is individually known at all; as well as being a legend of her profession and continually referred to whenever the history of belly dancing is mentioned, is certainly notable. --Aciram (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- If such versions are provided and meet the criteria of WP:SIGCOV then it would be fine, but the currently provided Arabic source consists of a short piece on a webzine, which is not of substantial length or coverage, so I'm not sure what you are referring to. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 14:09, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Why not look at the other language versions? One of them is of substantial length. Many notable people do not have substantial coverage in the English language. Nonetheless they are notable. If people need to be substantially covered in English language sources, many hihgly notable people who where mostly written about in their native language would not be here, but they are; and should be, since wikipedia does not require English language sources. That is one of wikipedia's advantages: to spread knowledge. Being the first internationally famous individual of her profession, as well as the first individual of her profession that is individually known at all; as well as being a legend of her profession and continually referred to whenever the history of belly dancing is mentioned, is certainly notable. --Aciram (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as Zuhur book listed in article as well as Ibrahim book noted by Oaktree b provide WP:SIGCOV of the subject, especially given the time in history when she lived. Citations provided in books can likely be tracked down for more info, as well as additional sources identified from JSTOR search. I’ll do that later this week. Nnev66 (talk) 13:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- The coverage in Zuhur's book consists of a single, brief paragraph, which is not WP:SIGCOV, as per the latter. The Ibrahim book mainly concerns Copticism and scarcely makes passing references to Shafiqa, and thus also does not constitute significant coverage as described by the former. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 15:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- The Ibrahim book has the more coverage (2.5 pages) with different information than in the Zuhur one. It references the book "Midnight in Cairo" by Raphael Cormack as does a book review reference I found by Richard Spencer in The Times which I added to the article. I plan to go to the library to see what other information is in the Cormack book but won't get over there until the following week. Nnev66 (talk) 00:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- As per the above, the Ibrahim book centers on Copticism and the coverage in those two and a half pages consists of passing references to the subject, amongst other subjects, which does not constitute WP:SIGCOV per the criteria outlined in the guideline. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 13:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- The Ibrahim coverage (which is available in the Google book preview) gives information such as the subject was a belly dancer born to a Christian family in Shubra, there are documents that trace the subject back to Cairo's music halls and nightclubs although there are no documents indicating which religion she identified with, that she studied with a belly dancer named "Shawq" (spelled "Shuq" in this article), that a local historian noted the subject escaped form husband wearing nun's clothing to get to the dance hall, that her family disowned her after observing her dance at a wedding. There is discussion about the subject's "Copticness" and whether it was just part of her stage name or if she had more of a relationship to her religion or community. It notes she was the subject of a 1963 film by Hassan Al-Imam which contributed to Egyptian memory of her. This article summarizes some information about the film including that she was expelled by her family, had a baby with a man not her husband, builds her wealth but something happens (not stated) that leads to alcoholism and loss of wealth and she becomes a nun. The author of the article describes how he tried to trace some of the information in the Cormack book and from the film. So this is more than passing reference to the subject, especially as I noted above, given the historical period when she lived. Some of this info above should be folded into the article but I'll wait to see the outcome of this AfD. I'll be at the library this Monday December 9 when I can hopefully find the Cormack book and see if there's more information to include. Nnev66 (talk) 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Again, please see the above; the coverage in the book is still in passing and incidental, which does not constitute WP:SIGCOV as per the second criterion of the latter. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 15:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- The Ibrahim coverage (which is available in the Google book preview) gives information such as the subject was a belly dancer born to a Christian family in Shubra, there are documents that trace the subject back to Cairo's music halls and nightclubs although there are no documents indicating which religion she identified with, that she studied with a belly dancer named "Shawq" (spelled "Shuq" in this article), that a local historian noted the subject escaped form husband wearing nun's clothing to get to the dance hall, that her family disowned her after observing her dance at a wedding. There is discussion about the subject's "Copticness" and whether it was just part of her stage name or if she had more of a relationship to her religion or community. It notes she was the subject of a 1963 film by Hassan Al-Imam which contributed to Egyptian memory of her. This article summarizes some information about the film including that she was expelled by her family, had a baby with a man not her husband, builds her wealth but something happens (not stated) that leads to alcoholism and loss of wealth and she becomes a nun. The author of the article describes how he tried to trace some of the information in the Cormack book and from the film. So this is more than passing reference to the subject, especially as I noted above, given the historical period when she lived. Some of this info above should be folded into the article but I'll wait to see the outcome of this AfD. I'll be at the library this Monday December 9 when I can hopefully find the Cormack book and see if there's more information to include. Nnev66 (talk) 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- As per the above, the Ibrahim book centers on Copticism and the coverage in those two and a half pages consists of passing references to the subject, amongst other subjects, which does not constitute WP:SIGCOV per the criteria outlined in the guideline. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 13:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- The Ibrahim book has the more coverage (2.5 pages) with different information than in the Zuhur one. It references the book "Midnight in Cairo" by Raphael Cormack as does a book review reference I found by Richard Spencer in The Times which I added to the article. I plan to go to the library to see what other information is in the Cormack book but won't get over there until the following week. Nnev66 (talk) 00:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- The coverage in Zuhur's book consists of a single, brief paragraph, which is not WP:SIGCOV, as per the latter. The Ibrahim book mainly concerns Copticism and scarcely makes passing references to Shafiqa, and thus also does not constitute significant coverage as described by the former. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 15:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The topic is not notable enough and therefore the article fails WP:GNG. Skitash (talk) 15:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There was a 1963 biopic about her, also named Shafiqa al-Qibtiyya. There is coverage of the film itself as well, found by Oaktree b. It looks to me like the film is likely to also be notable, but the two are probably best covered in this single article, and when the two are combined we'll certainly have enough to consider the subject notable. -- asilvering (talk) 20:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- A biopic, in and of itself, does not establish its subject as notable for inclusion in a stand-alone article, especially when considered in the context of WP:GNG. The guideline's criterion concerns significant coverage in independent, reliable, and scholarly sources, and does not extend notability to a subject simply because a film or biopic exists about them. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 22:52, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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