David Straub

Farrukh

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Sorry for long absence. I have been aware of your message just few days ago. Actually it was long time I was not making any more contribution to wikipedia. I will mail you soon. Best regards, User:Farid2053

DYK

On 8 October, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sarikoli language, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Someone dropped this on my talk page. I think it belongs to you. =) cab 17:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Garmis

Please see the talk page about the discussion of a possible merge with Tajik people. I realise that you are probably more knowledgeable than myself on the matter and would appreciate your input. :) - Francis Tyers · 00:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

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On 2 December, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Baymirza Hayit, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 17:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you know?

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Did you know

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Did you know?

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Sarah Jacobson

Hi David, thanks for letting me know about the deletion. I've added more information to the article and one reference. See what you think. Do we have a chance now? -Intheshadows 11:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi again David. The work you did regarding the tags and codes is just great. The article looks wonderful. I still don't know how to do all that technical stuff, as of yet. I've added more information but will have to work on collecting more references tomorrow. Some information came from the Austin Chronicle article, which I've added to the "External links" section. I've also left messages on a few talk pages. As well, I took a look at the "Guidelines for Notability" and, as you will notice when you look at the article, it seems evident that Sarah falls well within these guidelines. Its so ridiculous to delete this article, since it will just have to be rewritten in the future as esteem for Sarah Jacobson continues to grow.-Intheshadows 11:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi David - How about that? The article is being kept. I think congratulations are in order! -Intheshadows 09:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Your article, Spenser Somers Foundation, was selected for DYK!

On December 21, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Spenser Somers Foundation, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 15:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi David I see you are an editor interested in Central Asia. Could you take some time to look at Terrorism in Kazakhstan and offer your comment.There is a revert war going on there because one user tries to push his POV on the subject. Thankscs 18:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Vietnam

Hi, I see that you're knowledgeable about Vietnam-related subjects, so I'd like to let you know about the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Vietnam. If you'd like to join, please add your name under "Participants." Badagnani 05:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Did you know...

On 15 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article S.J. Warmington, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Allen3 ^talk 12:36, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Central Asia Monitor

I was just wondering, do you know why the Central Asia Monitor went out of circulation? Otebig (talk) 10:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 20 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of journalists killed in Tajikistan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congratulations! --Espresso Addict (talk) 16:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice work on this one, I have added it to Portal:Journalism. Cirt (talk) 23:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks everyone David Straub (talk) 22:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Richard Gordon (Scottish author)

Hi,

Could you please provide a citation for the fact that he is deceased? Per Wikipedia's policies on biographies of living people, uncited material on the pages of living (or possibly living) people must be removed so, without it, I cannot allow notice of his death to remain on the page. Cheers, CP 21:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Henri Pinault

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Dravecky (talk) 02:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Mary Lawson (actress)

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Wizardman 08:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Happy WikiBirthday (a few days late)

I saw from here that it's been five years since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Awesome! Whereabouts in China are you? I finally got to visit Xinjiang this summer, albeit only for a few days, and only Urumchi...I'm hoping to go back next summer for longer. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that sounds awesome! There is little I wouldn't do right now for some good qorum... rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:29, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Japanese saddles

Thanks for the message, if you look at the talk page Talk:Saddle you will see that I am having a little problem with an editor who resents me trespassing on HIS article. He has had the article blocked because I dared to link the term "kura" to the kura (Japanese saddle) image gallery on Wikipedia commons as there is currently no wikipedia article to link to, this is something I have done on numerous articles with absolutely no complaints. I am gathering information and images to eventually write a good article but in the mean time I wanted to add some good referenced information the the existing article. If have an interest in the subject and you feel like getting involved you can take a look at the talk page and give your opinion on my solution to the current problem. Samuraiantiqueworld (talk) 08:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks like this guy is back again. Hopefully he gets bored before I go to bed, but if not a short block might be in order... rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

unfree file

I uploaded it from a flickr photo. the photo at flickr claims to be released under the license which I provided at wikipedia when I uploaded it. If the original flickr user lied about the license, (I am not the owner of the flickr account), then I did not intentionally upload a copyrighted file.DÜNGÁNÈ (talk) 00:25, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Also, the photo which was previously on the article before I replaced it was fraduently released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License., when the original flickr photo showed no such permission, on the contrary, on the right side under "license", it says : " All Rights Reserved".

Due to the copyrighted status of the original photo, I searched on flickr for a photo and found it over here, on the right side, under "License", it provided a link to the "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License", which allows for the photo to be used. If it is a scan of a movie poster, then its the original flickr user which posted fake information about the copyright.

And I have no particular interest in the photo, as I said, I was looking for a replacement of the original photo which was also copyrighted, you guys should delete both files. Thank you for being vigilant.DÜNGÁNÈ (talk) 00:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

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Ney Elias

Thank you so much for your contribs to the Ney Elias article. I have created next to no articles on Wikipedia and this is the only one I felt good about. I was very excited to stumble upon this very worthy explorer that somehow had no article. I was really hoping some editors with more knowledge in this area would chime in and it's rewarding to see someone finally did. Thanks! Beach drifter (talk) 05:25, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Leonard Wood

You undid my addition mentioning Gingrich's reference to Leonard Wood as 'irrelevant.' If you will look at the page view statistics you will see that there was a very dramatic spike in page viewing after Gingrich's reference. This is an empirical indication of the relevance to Gingrich doing so. Clearly, persons became interested in viewing the article as a result of Gingrich mentioning him. This is in no way a subjective analysis on my part. Dwight Burdette (talk) 02:23, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

This is the response I posted to your comment on my talk page:

I am an Army combat veteran and knew about Fort Leonard Wood because, among other things, my older brother was also an Army combat veteran and did his basic training there. I never knew for whom the Fort was named, but because of of Newt Gingrich's comment, I took the trouble to look it up, like many others. The comment has obviously had a significant impact on Leonard Wood's legacy. Whatever the merit of the comment, it had the effect of evoking the memory of Leonard Wood, and adding to his legacy. That is the point of mentioning it. Normally, I wouldn't bother to pursue this, because having a single edit undone is not that big of a deal, but I'm going to make an exception in this case, because I've been insulted by the insinuation that my addition to the article had a political motivation. I'm flabbergasted by the insinuation. To what end was my contribution serving a political purpose? I'm going to undo the deletion and you are the one who can take this to admin if you want.Dwight Burdette (talk) 00:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination of List of journalists killed in the United States for deletion

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I've noticed your work on journalists in Tajikistan and thought you might be interested in this discussion about an article deletion of a similar list. Crtew (talk) 19:41, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Lincoln (2012 film)

I saw your use of the diamond to represent fictional or composite characters. The concern I have is that we don't have any citations to reliable sources that say these characters are fictional. We have a source saying, for example, that Walter Goggins plays Wells A. Hutchins, a real Congressman of the era. Maybe Spielberg and Kushner changed to a composite character. Where is the reliable source that says so? Otherwise, it looks like original research. Your thoughts? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:25, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your inquiry. Before we use the term "original research", let's come to a common understanding. I think after more than a decade of editing, it is safe to assume that every single member of congress who has ever served in the house of representatives now has an article on wikipedia. One resource that could be used to verify membership in the 38th congress (1863-65) would be to look up the name on the wiki page for the 38th congress:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/38th_United_States_Congress

If that is not satisfactory, then the US House of Representatives runs its own historical website (http://history.housegov/). Individual members can be looked up, but so far I haven't found a page that groups members according to congress, so it does take a few clicks to verify the name.

As for the Wells A. Hutchins stuff you mentioned above, I didn't write or edit that. If you want, delete it. I added the diamond, but like I mentioned in the comment of my edit, anyone can feel free to change it. I just think that there does need to be some mention some where that some members are based upon historical figures and some are fictional, at least in name.

Have a good day. David Straub (talk)

You may very well be correct, but in order to say in the article that these characters are fictional, we need to provide a reference to a reliable source that says they are fictional. Can you suggest a source about the film that says that? Otherwise, how do you know it and how can a reader such as me verify it? I also hope that you have a good day. It is sunny and spring like here in Northern California. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:41, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I think I have given enough academic justification for calling these characters fictional. Moreover, it's simple logic to say that if the characters were not members of congress, then the characters were not historical congressional figures. You do not need a source that says "This figure was created for this film" and such a source may very well not exist. That would be no more necessary than finding a source that says "Darth Vader is not a historical figure and was created for the purpose of the Star Wars films." It is unlikely that such a source exists because who would find it necessary to write that? You are also misusing the term original research, which is a dangerous accusation to throw around in wikiland. Original research would be if I was challenging a common held assumption with a new hypothesis. I don't think anyone with knowledge of congressional history would think these figures are real, so no original research here. If you want to go further with this, start a debate on the Lincoln film page calling this original research and we can let the wikipedia editors have vote. Please be kind enough to let me know when and if you do this. Good day.David Straub (talk)

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Need help with Inter-wikilink error

I am a bit confused about this new wikidata code attached to articles and its causing an error to come up when I try to make an inter-wikilink.

I want to create an interwiki link from this article, Ole_Olufsen, to it's Danish equivalent, [1]. When I try to do that I get directed to this page, [2], and I get the error below:

"Site link Ole Olufsen is already used by item Q12330127. Perhaps the items should be merged and one of them deleted? Request deletion of one of the items at Wikidata:Requests for deletion, or ask at Wikidata:Interwiki conflicts if you believe that they should not be merged."

It looks like Q12330127 is a wikicommons page about Ole Olfusen. So what am I doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.

David Straub (talk) 07:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

It looks as though Q12330127 is a duplicate. I have placed a deletion request for it. Once it has gone, it should be possible to link both the Danish and Commons entries to Q3350261. My deletion request was immediately archived by a bot, which seems odd but may be normal procedure: if it has not been actioned soon, I will agitate. JohnCD (talk) 09:29, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

 Fixed. It turns out that the thing to do is delete the items from the duplicate entry, then they can be added to the main one and the duplicate deleted - see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Merge. JohnCD (talk) 10:02, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate the help. David Straub (talk) 06:44, 20 November 2013 (UTC

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Suzhou North America High School

Hi David! I found this edit so I decided to investigate...

The article currently says: "it is the first and the only international high school providing an American high school curriculum in Jiangsu Province." However I took an archive of it, and in the archive it says: "it is the first and the only international high school issuing American high school diplomas in Jiangsu Province." - They must have changed the text WhisperToMe (talk) 11:55, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I looked into that claim at the time as well and I couldn't find anything. Thanks for checking into it. David Straub (talk) 06:28, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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It's my photo that I took with my camera, so there should be no problem. I'll find a way to fix it.~~

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The design concept called "selective transclusion", which is used for migrating excerpts (moving them to the base page), does so by displaying part of an article the same as a template. An added benefit of this is that it also keeps them fresh, by always showing the current version of the content that is transcluded.

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I'd also like to let you know that the Portals WikiProject is working hard to make sure your support of portals was not in vain. Toward that end, we have been working diligently to innovate portals, while building, updating, upgrading, and maintaining them. The project has grown to 80 members so far, and has become a beehive of activity.

Our two main goals at this time are to automate portals (in terms of refreshing, rotating, and selecting content), and to develop a one-page model in order to make obsolete and eliminate most of the 150,000 subpages from the portal namespace by migrating their functions to the portal base pages, using technologies such as selective transclusion. Please feel free to join in on any of the many threads of development at the WikiProject's talk page, or just stop by to see how we are doing. If you have any questions about portals or portal development, that is the best place to ask them.

If you would like to keep abreast of developments on portals, keep in mind that the project's members receive updates on their talk pages. The updates are also posted here, for your convenience.

Again, we can't thank you enough for your support of portals, and we hope to make you proud of your decision. Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   00:09, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

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