Kaciemonster

Joined 25 September 2014

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Latest comment: 9 years ago by NorthBySouthBaranof in topic Your Gamergate draft

OMG you deleted my favorite movie ever. Protonk (talk) 23:42, 25 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

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Holy crap that's a lot of badge thingies on your user page. Protonk (talk) 22:09, 26 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hitachi Magic Wand

Thanks again for taking on the review! I've responded, at Talk:Hitachi Magic Wand/GA1. — Cirt (talk) 12:04, 23 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

Okay, all now addressed/responded at Talk:Hitachi Magic Wand/GA1. :) — Cirt (talk) 21:02, 23 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

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Please review Hitachi Magic Wand

Notifying you as you were the GA Reviewer, no obligations or expectations. :)

As part of a Quality improvement project, I've recently put the article Hitachi Magic Wand up for Peer Review.

Participation would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Peer review/Hitachi Magic Wand/archive1. — Cirt (talk) 06:18, 8 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Your Gamergate draft

User:Halfhat recently mentioned your Gamergate userspace draft. I just wanted to remind you that WP:BLP applies everywhere on Wikipedia, including in userspace. Your version makes several BLP claims cited to self-published and unreliable sources which I would strongly suggest removing. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Cheers! Woodroar (talk) 15:09, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

  • I have questions. What, specifically violates BLP in this draft and which sources would you recommend removing (I'd also appreciate an explanation as to why). Thanks. Protonk (talk) 15:37, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Hi User:Woodroar, seconding Protonk's question. I appreciate your feedback, but you haven't presented me with any actionable changes that I can make to my draft. You referred to several BLP claims that I made, and I would love to change them, but you didn't tell me what they are. Telling me my draft is terrible without making suggestions on how to improve it isn't really helpful. Kaciemonster (talk) 16:10, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
I'm sorry, that was a combination of being short on time and hoping it would be obvious to avoid specifically restating BLP violations. I mostly take issue with quotes attributed to Quinn, an accusation that she "sabotaged" a game jam to promote herself (with no context or explanation to explain how, this could mean anything), and an accusation that she was behind a DDoS—a federal crime handled by the US DOJ—all based on an interview in an unreliable source. And in the GameJournoPros section, we link to Breitbart and their selective/context-free publication of leaked emails, which is problematic for BLP and copyright reasons. The only BLP compliant statement I see from TFYC is their opinion on the Vivian James character. I do find the draft terrible for other reasons—primarily UNDUE—but drafts exist to work on things like that. (If it matters, I would similarly consider my own past drafts terrible until they meet core content policies.) But unreliably-sourced/SPS negative BLP claims shouldn't exist in a draft, even if they're going to be removed or properly sourced at a later time. I hope this helps. Woodroar (talk) 16:34, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

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"...an accusation that she "sabotaged" a game jam to promote herself...an accusation that she was behind a DDoS...all based on an interview in an unreliable source"

  • The bit about TFYC is also sourced to Vice and Reason magazine--both largely reasonable sources in the capacity they're serving and there's a bit on it here as well. It's just that, an accusation in a series of them against quinn by gamergaters.
  • The bit about the DDOS can also be sourced to reason (Though it isn't in the draft currently). The background is quite mundane. She tweeted about linking to their website and breaking it, and this spiralled into "ZQ DDOS'd TFYC!". It could be edited out, as it may not be that important (depending on who you talk to).

"And in the GameJournoPros section, we link to Breitbart and their selective/context-free publication of leaked emails, which is problematic for BLP and copyright reasons"

  • Kaciemonster and I had a disagreement about this. My problem with the current article's treatment is that we tiptoe around the original source by talking about it and attributing it to sources who will link to it, but there's no fundamental reason to not link to the article itself. We can show the reader the courtesy of "citing where you found it". As for the copyright issues, Brietbart is nominally a news organization and so could likely make a fair use claim. That's largely their issue. I suspect the Enron Corpus is under copyright, but we certainly can and should link to that.
  • This can be resolved by treating the issue as the current article does, sourcing things to Kain and what-not. Since I put it in, I'll leave it up to Kaciemonster to revert it (or ask me to, lol). Protonk (talk) 16:56, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Additional issue — The section on proven-false accusations is titled "Quinnspiracy" rather than "False accusations" — I strenuously object to presenting made-up bullshit as a "conspiracy" in a section title, as opposed to directly identifying the fact that the accusations against Quinn and Grayson are false. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 18:32, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Reply