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The box is copyrighted. Commons:Derivative works Sdrtirs (talk) 15:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Per nominator. EugeneZelenko (talk) 16:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Fake image, mal information and lacking proper permission (if indeed from Gamespot). Shows a cartoon puppet, in contrary to description about w:Tim Cook and w:Apple Inc.. –Krinkletalk 18:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Junk - gone Herby talk thyme 09:32, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
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While it is possible that this image is out of copyright, where is the evidence (since we cannot assume it is.)
- No author is given. Therefore we cannot assign it a "Author died" type tag (ie {{PD-old}}). Since the author must have died over 70 years ago. That means the author only had to live 33 years after 1908. Even back then this could have very easily happened. We just don't know.
- The source link provided goes to a photo at publication in 1979. {{PD-US}} requires proof of publication before 1923, therefore this and the other "publication" type tags are not supported by the link or information provided.
This is a case where, unfortunately, the unloader has failed to supply enough information to show it is PD. I have tried to find a replacement image that is PD and any evidence that this image is PD, but have been unable to Per 17 USC 302 "Works of unknown authors or where the author's death date is unknown are copyrighted until the shorter of 95 years since the first publication or 120 years since their creation" so this image will not be Public Domain until January 1, 2029.
--ARTEST4ECHO talk 18:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- I am the original uploader. Manning died in 1908 at an age of around 86, after having outlived almost all of her peers. In this photo, Manning is probably in her 30's or 40's, suggesting that it was taken around 1850. (this and this are what she looked like when she was older.) If we assume that she was the same age as her photographer (not a wild assumption) then in the unlikely event that he outlived her, he'd have had to outlive her by 33 years or until 1941, as you pointed out. Even if he was a teenager running around Utah with a camera in 1860, he'd have to live to be 96 years old.
- If you are not convinced, I can do some more research and try to track down some more information. Adjwilley (talk) 19:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept, Withdrawn-The missing information has been provided by uploader. This image is in fact Public domain. --ARTEST4ECHO talk 13:31, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
unknown team, out of scope, blurred and low quality AtelierMonpli (talk) 00:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Delete per nom --Funfood ␌ 10:28, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 20:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
out of COM:SCOPE, as some personal reflections of "Pastor Tim" and plain text as pdf file. Túrelio (talk) 08:28, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Delete per nom --Funfood ␌ 10:30, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 21:04, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Just a gray blurry picture, out of scope Funfood ␌ 10:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 21:04, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Out of scope. Nothing more than a few urls Andre Engels (talk) 11:56, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 21:06, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
no evidence that a suitable licences has been granted Jezhotwells (talk) 00:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Too many copies in internet and bigger, delete--Motopark (talk) 12:17, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 10:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
EXIF information says author & copyright holder is Randy Anderson, uploader self-identifies as Darrell Rowden Jr. Not own work. DS (talk) 00:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 10:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
based on the flaws in this uploader's other contribution of a photo of an educational institution, and the exceedingly low resolution and file size, I conclude that the uploader simply found this picture somewhere online. DS (talk) 00:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio , see: http://www.hooksisd.net/default.aspx?name=About_us Captain-tucker (talk) 10:12, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
uploader does not own rights to this image; it is property of his former employers DS (talk) 00:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 10:13, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
uploader does not own rights to this image; it is property of his former employers DS (talk) 00:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep with {{PD-textlogo}}. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:06, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: Changed license to PD-textlogo Captain-tucker (talk) 10:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
We don't need this page that's short on content. We have Category:North Santiam River, which works just as well. Jsayre64 (talk) 01:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep Galleries serve different purposes from categories. They allow images to be selected, sorted in the direction of flow and annotated with links to related galleries as I have done in my recent edit. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 18:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep per Siegmund. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:24, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: in scope Captain-tucker (talk) 10:36, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
copyvio http://programme.rthk.hk/rthk/tv/programme.php?name=/moment&d=2010-11-24&p=4915&e=121184&m=episode 太刻薄 (talk) 01:58, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 11:57, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Uploaded by mistake. Replaced by a PNG version. SSG Cornelius Seon (US Army, Retired) (talk) 03:55, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Per uploaders request Captain-tucker (talk) 12:02, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Logo of a newspaper; incorrect own work claim Andre Engels (talk) 12:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: PD-textlogo. I will add a template to the file. 99of9 (talk) 11:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Diagram that has no obvious use, and can be remade easily if it has Andre Engels (talk) 12:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: per nom 99of9 (talk) 11:40, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
unused low resolution image of a non-special subject (people on a beach) Andre Engels (talk) 12:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: No realistic educational use. 99of9 (talk) 11:36, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Low resolution image of a non-special subject Andre Engels (talk) 12:28, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: No realistic educational use. 99of9 (talk) 11:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Sketch of a machine invented by the submitter; out of scope Andre Engels (talk) 12:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: scope 99of9 (talk) 11:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Derivative work of a previously deleted image, see Commons:Deletion requests/File:JuliaSuzuki.jpg. The original copyright question has not been addressed: no evidence that copyright owner has released the image under a free license. Wdchk (talk) 13:00, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: per nominator, same picture as previously deleted 99of9 (talk) 11:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
false license attribution, non-free game box cover. Ari Linn (talk) 13:15, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: copyvio 99of9 (talk) 11:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Suspect invalid "Own work" claim. Looks like a low resolution television still. Although published later, also appeared here (neville.jpg). This upload also includes a few pixels border. –Krinkletalk 18:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: already deleted (not by me) 99of9 (talk) 11:51, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Video still from a TV interview, resolution and picture quality are consistent with a still —SpacemanSpiff 04:37, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 23:49, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Used in a now deleted copyvio on en.wikipedia. Likely copyrighted. No reason given to suggest that uploader is copyright holder. FASTILY (TALK) 07:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio and out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 19:02, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't think it's the Flickr uploader's own work because the image page states that "Press Shot Photo Credit: Dante Marshall dantemarshall.com/" Morning Sunshine (talk) 09:37, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - [1], the website to which the photo was credited, is not loading, so I can not check to see if there is any copyright information. -- Luke Talk 12:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Probable Copyvio, delete as per COM:PRP Captain-tucker (talk) 23:57, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Drawing of unidentified object, no educational use, out of scope Funfood ␌ 10:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 19:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Just an advertising business card Funfood ␌ 10:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 19:04, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Logo of a presumably non-notable company Andre Engels (talk) 11:29, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 19:05, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
self-portrait of a non-notable person Andre Engels (talk) 11:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 19:06, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Not useful without a description, and it has none Andre Engels (talk) 11:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Per nom. Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 19:08, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
portrait of a non-notable person Andre Engels (talk) 11:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 19:07, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Advertisement logo, with File:Cartao.png the only upload of user Funfood ␌ 11:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 19:08, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Unused low-definition photograph of a very common subject (people in a forest) Andre Engels (talk) 12:00, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Low quality, not useful. Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 19:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
portrait of an apparently non-notable person Andre Engels (talk) 12:06, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 19:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Logo of non-notable company Andre Engels (talk) 12:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 20:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Non-notable writer (this is his page on Amazon...) Andre Engels (talk) 12:18, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 19:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
portrait of non-notable person Andre Engels (talk) 12:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 19:12, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
self-portrait of non-notable person and/or portrait of a Wikipedian with zero edits Andre Engels (talk) 12:31, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 20:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
This person is not notable. So out of scope. Takabeg (talk) 14:31, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- For the image File:Mete_Gülsoy.jpg, I notice the same image at http://www.myspace.com/metegulsoy/photos/23711448#{%22ImageId%22%3A23711448} but I feel that based on looking at this and his non-active Twitter account, the uploader of the images is also this actor. The article was indeed deleted on the Turkish Wikipedia, but his images were used on other Wikis before about basic theatre. If we can get permission for File:Mete_Gülsoy.jpg it can be in scope for the makeup for theatre and dress for it. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 05:05, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 20:59, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Hoax, the description is absurd and a joke. Zeroth (talk) 15:58, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Delete --NaBUru38 (talk) 16:28, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 21:24, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Unused personal photo - out of project scope. XXN, 22:48, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. --Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:59, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Spanish text and a unidentified cartoon character, out of scope Funfood ␌ 20:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 21:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Single file of an inactive user, unused. GeorgHH • talk 21:15, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of project scope George Chernilevsky talk 21:27, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Promotional image of some sort. Likely copyrighted. No reason given to suggest that uploader is copyright holder. FASTILY (TALK) 23:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Copyvio Captain-tucker (talk) 00:08, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
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Diese Category ist schon vorhanden. Domenik2011 (talk) 12:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC) Domenik2011 (talk) 13:01, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted as empty duplicate of Category:Ulmer Weihnachtsmarkt. --AFBorchert (talk) 21:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry - I spotted the "Photo credit: IsraCast" way too late. Please delete, will tag en-Wiki image for no permission Ronhjones (Talk) 00:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted per Ronhjones. --AFBorchert (talk) 21:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Low quality homespun "collage" that is a derivative of about 4-5 files none of which are attributed. Fred the Oyster (talk) 00:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- I do not know if there is a rule that collage of lower quality have to be deleted, but it is firstly important to say that it does not violate any copyright. Secondly, it consists of photographs from a very small geographic area that has little number of pictures in total. For this reason, perhaps I could not choose a better pictures, but still I try to select images that will represent location as beter as posible. Again, I do not know whether it violate some wikimedia collage rule.--MirkoS18 (talk) 01:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted as derived work of at least three images whose copyright status is not disclosed. One of the source images seems to be File:Folklorna manifestacija ZVO-a.png which does not appear to be me CC-BY-SA as claimed. --AFBorchert (talk) 22:16, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
screenshot of nonfree content (website) DS (talk) 00:52, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: clearly below the threshold of originality. The uploader presently uses it in some kind of article draft at en.wp, so apparently in scope as well. Rosenzweig τ 22:23, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
The statement that the copyright of this recent photo has expired is not tenable. Mkativerata (talk) 07:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: copyvio. Rosenzweig τ 22:26, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
copyvio http://blog.yahoo.com/_VI2LRCBUJLT5L6PNJKMLDAAW6Y/articles/30101 太刻薄 (talk) 01:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: clear copyvio Túrelio (talk) 09:41, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
seems to be a copyrighted poster (very low image size my insist that it's own work) 80.187.97.38 18:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Estimado miembros. La imagen me pertenece soy el autor de ma misma y es la portada de la edición 193 de la revista Producción agroindustrial del NOA. Por favor indiqueme como puedo cambiar la imagen por una de mayor tamaño y de que otra forma puedo probar de que es de mi propiedad y no es un poster. --181.1.36.226 21:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Perdón en el mensaje anterior no esta mi firma correcta porque no estaba logueado.--Edicioneswiki (talk) 21:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Por favor eliminen este archivo. He subido la imagen con mejor resolucion.
Esta imagen ya no está siendo usada.
Disculpen pero no sabía como reemplazarla por una imagen de mejor resolución.
Saludos--Edicioneswiki (talk) 02:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: already deleted. Rosenzweig τ 20:36, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
No EXIF, court-level photo, from several years ago... I can't put my finger on it, but everything about this photo screams copyvio to me... Courcelles (talk) 21:30, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Thats the ar.wp sharapova copyvio sockpuppeteer again. Martin H. (talk) 20:33, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Someone created a logo for - well, what is "Cosas de la vida" anyway? Andre Engels (talk) 12:14, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Per nomination Ecemaml talk to me/habla conmigo 23:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
While the uploader got permission from one website, the said website may not be the owner of the image. [2] is a higher res image available elsewhere, numersous other copies and versions of the image are available in print and on the web. —SpacemanSpiff 08:52, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Delete A.J. (talk) 13:08, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
copyvio http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/viewthread.php?tid=512315&highlight= 太刻薄 (talk) 01:58, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. shizhao (talk) 14:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
taken by KV7798 太刻薄 (talk) 02:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. shizhao (talk) 14:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Relaying a nomination by an IP that was place on wikipedia's image deletion page: The photo was published in a magazine, and states so in the description "Radio i telewizja" weekly, 3. October 1951. So, it is not a government source photo. Also, it was published before the "copyright law of July 10, 1952" took affect, so due credit to the photographer may be required. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:05, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- This image is in the public domain because according to the Art. 3 of copyright law of March 29, 1926 of the Republic of Poland and Art. 2 of copyright law of July 10, 1952 of the People's Republic of Poland, all photographs by Polish photographers (or published for the first time in Poland or simultaneously in Poland and abroad) published without a clear copyright notice before the law was changed on May 23, 1994 are assumed public domain.Szczebrzeszynski (talk) 05:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
This image fulfills the criteria of {{PD-Poland}} because was published before May 23, 1994.Szczebrzeszynski (talk) 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
- The "Radio i telewizja" weekly was published by a state-owned publishing company. At 1951 all publishers in Poland were state-owned by the communist government. Szczebrzeszynski (talk) 19:46, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep Per Szczebrzeszynski. Btw: It is irrelevant the magazine was state-owned or it wasn not... The Polish copyright law says nothing about this subject. Electron ツ ➧☎ 16:33, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep; this image meets the copyright law provisions, and the IP user has been blocked on En:wikipedia for edit warring because he took a specific dislike to this picture. Buckshot06 (talk) 17:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Delete The image was taken and published before the "copyright law of July 10, 1952" took affect. The description itself notes: "Radio i telewizja" weekly, 3. October 1951. So, the photographer still has rights to the work, as stated in the "copyright law of March 29, 1926" (Art. 8). Prawo autorskie do dzieł zbiorowych (encyklopedji, roczników, kalendarzy i t. p.) oraz do czasopism jest podwójne: do całości służy wydawcy, do poszczególnych części ich twórcom. Translated, article 8 states that if an image was published in a magazine, the publication and the photographer both have rights to the work. So, it is irrelevant that the magazine was state owned, before 1952, the photographer still held a partial claim to their work. --76.118.227.161 19:50, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- It wasn't published with the required copyright notices, so no protection arises. The photograph had copyright protection from creation until the 1952 law took effect, which removed the specific protection afforded to media photographs.
How can the publication and the photographer have dual rights to a work ? Surely the economic rights must reside with the publication or the photographer, and the moral rights with the photographer...--Claritas (talk) 19:59, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- It wasn't published with the required copyright notices, so no protection arises. The photograph had copyright protection from creation until the 1952 law took effect, which removed the specific protection afforded to media photographs.
- Well, it is irrelevant that dual ownership of an image is unusual, the "copyright law of March 29, 1926" clearly states that such a provision is given, and I have included the text from article 8 which makes note of this. Also, I understand that no copyright notice was provided, but due to the changing political situation in Poland many legal errors and omissions occurred. Regardless of this fact, in recent years many individuals and organizations have sued to regain ownership of physical and intellectual property which was improperly, or illegally "nationalized" under communism. Thus, Wikipedia is best served to steer clear of such issues, and remove the image, in the end the photographer has a claim to this picture based on the "copyright law of March 29, 1926". --76.118.227.161 20:31, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- I've found a full translation in English now, and there is indeed a provision of dual ownership. However, this image was not "illegally" nationalized under Communism, as the People's Republic of Poland was the legitimate sucessor state to the Second Polish Republic, it legally entered the public domain by the passing of a law. Under which law can Polish works in the public domain leave the public domain due to "illegal nationalization" ? --Claritas (talk) 20:43, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Every Polish citizen has the right to take their claim to court in order to regain property, which they believe was "wrongly" taken over by the communist government, and it is for the judge to examine the details of each case. But, that is not the main point. The 1952 law was not retroactive, so the photographer still can claim dual rights to the image based on the "copyright law of March 29, 1926" this is one of the reasons why the 1926, 1952 and 1994 copyright laws are all included in the Wiki image disclaimer, an image has to be inline with all three based on the year of its publication. Because this photo was taken in 1951 it falls under the "copyright law of March 29, 1926" and the photographer still holds claim to it. --76.118.227.161 21:16, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Even if the 1952 law was not applied retroactively (I suspect it was), this image was not published with a copyright notice, so no protection arises. Therefore Keep. --Claritas (talk) 22:23, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well, "suspecting" is not a valid argument. If the law was retroactive it would have stated so in the text at the very top of the code. Also, how do you know that there was no copyright seal, do you have the magazine in front of you? It seems that some of the contributors are basing their final judgment on very questionable reasoning. You agreed that there is "dual rights" to this image, yet you voted to keep the picture, which is in violation of copyright law? --76.118.227.161 22:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- It is retroactive, as technically the 1952 law is an amendment to the 1926 law, and thus the amended version of the 1926 law is the only one relevant since 1952. Copyright notices were pretty unusual on Soviet era publications anywhere. I'm going to cease arguing here, you're simply not getting the point. --Claritas (talk) 22:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well, "suspecting" is not a valid argument. If the law was retroactive it would have stated so in the text at the very top of the code. Also, how do you know that there was no copyright seal, do you have the magazine in front of you? It seems that some of the contributors are basing their final judgment on very questionable reasoning. You agreed that there is "dual rights" to this image, yet you voted to keep the picture, which is in violation of copyright law? --76.118.227.161 22:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Even if the 1952 law was not applied retroactively (I suspect it was), this image was not published with a copyright notice, so no protection arises. Therefore
- Every Polish citizen has the right to take their claim to court in order to regain property, which they believe was "wrongly" taken over by the communist government, and it is for the judge to examine the details of each case. But, that is not the main point. The 1952 law was not retroactive, so the photographer still can claim dual rights to the image based on the "copyright law of March 29, 1926" this is one of the reasons why the 1926, 1952 and 1994 copyright laws are all included in the Wiki image disclaimer, an image has to be inline with all three based on the year of its publication. Because this photo was taken in 1951 it falls under the "copyright law of March 29, 1926" and the photographer still holds claim to it. --76.118.227.161 21:16, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- I've found a full translation in English now, and there is indeed a provision of dual ownership. However, this image was not "illegally" nationalized under Communism, as the People's Republic of Poland was the legitimate sucessor state to the Second Polish Republic, it legally entered the public domain by the passing of a law. Under which law can Polish works in the public domain leave the public domain due to "illegal nationalization" ? --Claritas (talk) 20:43, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well, it is irrelevant that dual ownership of an image is unusual, the "copyright law of March 29, 1926" clearly states that such a provision is given, and I have included the text from article 8 which makes note of this. Also, I understand that no copyright notice was provided, but due to the changing political situation in Poland many legal errors and omissions occurred. Regardless of this fact, in recent years many individuals and organizations have sued to regain ownership of physical and intellectual property which was improperly, or illegally "nationalized" under communism. Thus, Wikipedia is best served to steer clear of such issues, and remove the image, in the end the photographer has a claim to this picture based on the "copyright law of March 29, 1926". --76.118.227.161 20:31, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- I have a real issue with how some of the "more experienced editors" are approaching this dispute. I have presented solid evidence that there is a potential copyright liability attached to this image, and it is Wikipedia's policy to err on the side of caution. While on the other hand, persons who want to keep this picture, are only presenting vague and unsubstantiated statements. I clearly proved that the "copyright law of March 29, 1926" (Art. 8) gives the creator and the publicist dual rights to the image, and in fact the "copyright law of July 10, 1952" (Art. 45) makes a specific reference that "dual rights" are permitted under communist rule, thus upholding the earlier 1926 law in this respect. Also, I question the claim there there is no copyright of any kind on this image, as the laws had a blanket effect protecting the creators from unauthorized reproduction of their work. Finally, I made note of ongoing litigation regarding just such cases regarding ownership of intellectual property. So, I find it very disturbing that some editors are foregoing good judgment, and voting to keep this image, basing their interpretation of the issue on American or Soviet copyright laws, and not those of Poland (which are different in their application). --76.118.227.161 23:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- In the state of law everybody can clame everything before the coart of law. But here no evidence that it can win in this case... Can you produce any evidence? If not it is only your own opinion. From time to time a person tried to disscuss this case but they have no evidence and can't prove their opinion. Many word, no proofs. Why? Because the Polish law is clear in this subject and there are any lawsuit won before the coart. If you really believe in what you are saying you should go with your clames to the coart and try to win... Electron ツ ➧☎ 12:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- I have presented the evidence, so here it is again... make sure you look at the dates of when the law took effect and when the image was first published: The image was taken and published before the "copyright law of July 10, 1952" took affect. The description itself notes: "Radio i telewizja" weekly, 3. October 1951. So, the photographer still has rights to the work, as stated in the "copyright law of March 29, 1926" (Art. 8). Prawo autorskie do dzieł zbiorowych (encyklopedji, roczników, kalendarzy i t. p.) oraz do czasopism jest podwójne: do całości służy wydawcy, do poszczególnych części ich twórcom. Translated, article 8 states that if an image was published in a magazine, the publication and the photographer both have rights to the work. So, it is irrelevant that the magazine was state owned, before 1952, the photographer still held a partial claim to their work. --76.118.227.161 14:59, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- To be strict the Polish copyright act from 1926 stated that (Art. 21): (...) Prawo autorskie do dzieł fotograficznych, lub otrzymanych w podobny do fotografji sposób gaśnie w dziesięć lat od zdjęcia fotografji (...). Prawo autorskie do serji zdjęć fotograficznych, mającej znaczenie artystyczne lub naukowe, gaśnie w pięćdziesiąt lat od śmierci wydawcy. (abr. in English: The author copyrights last for 10 years after the photo was taken. The copy rights for set of photos, if they have science or artictial value, last for 50 years after the publisher death. You see: not the author but the publisher. No one photo but set of photos, no a photo but the set of photos that have science or artictial value. So you produced not the truth: the law from 1926 treated the photos in difference way that other works. So the autor copyrigts has gone meny years ago... Even if we talking about the law from 1926 but it was superseded by the 2 next releases of the Polish copyright law... As I sad the 1926 law act is irrelevant in this case. And what about a lawsuit won before the coart? Have you produced any?.. No, because there is none. Electron ツ ➧☎ 17:02, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- I just had a chance to read Article 21 of the "copyright law of March 29, 1926" and nowhere does it differentiate between the author, or publisher, instead the word used in the text is "twórcy" translated as "creators". Also, you don't know if this photo was part of a series or not, so your argument that such laws apply only to a group of photos is inconclusive in this case. Finally, this photograph is a static portrait of soldiers, so it does not depict a live historic event, thus it can be seen as being of artistic nature, and as you noted above it than has copyright protection for fifty years after the creators death. Finally, since the creator is unknown we are not able to determine his death, but there is a very reasonable possibility that he is still alive, and is entitled to this work. So, as per Wikipedia rules we should err on the side of caution. The burden of proof requires that we are sure no copyright laws are being violated, in the case of this image, there are unknown factors that prevent us from guaranteeing 100% that no copyright laws are violated. --76.118.227.161 01:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Also, I'd like to fully discredit the claim that there was no copyright notice on this photo... per the (Art. 3) of "copyright law of March 29, 1926" and (Art. 2) of "copyright law of July 10, 1952", if the year when the photograph was taken is present, it thus establishes a benchmark for copyright protection. "Na odbitkach fotograficznych i reprodukcjach, otrzymywanych w podobny do fotografji sposób, na filmach, a także na nutach dla mechanizmu, na walcach fonograficznych i tym podobnych przyrządach, odtwarzających utwór w sposób mechaniczny, należy uwidocznić rok zdjęcia lub przeniesienia". This photo has a year in its description 1951, so it has copyright protection set by this benchmark. --76.118.227.161 01:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- OK. but art. 21 stated also: Prawo autorskie, które powstało na rzecz osób prawnych, gaśnie w pięćdziesiąt lat od czasu wydania utworu lub innego podania go do wiadomości publicznej. (abbr. in English: Copyrigths for institution last 50 years after the first publication) -> 1951+50=2001. The publisher was an institution (Radio i telewizja magazin). So copyrigts had gone in 2001 and the photo is in PD. But as I sad the 1926 law act is irrelevant in this case. And what about a lawsuit won before the coart? Have you produced any?.. No, because there is none. Electron ツ ➧☎ 10:17, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Delete I think what IP is trying to say is that the majority of images featured on most Wikipedia pages associated with a military topic are either government source, or copyleft. On the other hand, the disputed image was scanned form a magazine, and was originally taken by a professional photographer. Despite the fact that the ever-changing political situation of Poland created a legal gray zone, it appears that there is some legitimate copyright protection attached to this picture. --Pybk (talk) 04:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- It is very strange that the user, who page was created today -> [3] and has no other contribution except this statemant sapports the 76.118.227.161 words... A puppet of 76.118.227.161 ? Electron ツ ➧☎ 10:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Indefinitely blocked as a checkuser confirmed that this is socking by 76.118.227.161. See here. --Claritas (talk) 22:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Did anyone ask if by chance I set up a new user profile, and started to write as such instead of IP... before locking my new account, It's hard to accuse me of being a sockpuppet after only one posting. --76.118.227.161 23:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- Indefinitely blocked as a checkuser confirmed that this is socking by 76.118.227.161. See here. --Claritas (talk) 22:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- It is very strange that the user, who page was created today -> [3] and has no other contribution except this statemant sapports the 76.118.227.161 words... A puppet of 76.118.227.161 ? Electron ツ ➧☎ 10:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- As for the disputed image... user: Electron... did you not read my earlier comments? You are bringing up an objection that was discredited earlier! I think it's clear that the creator has a rights to the photo, due the the dual ownership clause in the copyright law, see: "copyright law of March 29, 1926" (Art. 8) and "copyright law of July 10, 1952" (Art. 45). In a dual ownership situation between the publisher and creator the copyright expires 50 years after the death of the creator , or 50 years after the first publish date... whichever happens last, as not to undermine the other. So, in this case... the name of the photographer is listed as "unknown", so you can't determine what is the true status of the photograph, and you can't simply say that the photo was published 50 years ago, so the copyright expired, the creator still has the right to it. So, here are the point that raise serious doubt to the claim that this photo has no copyright attached to it:
- 1. DUAL RIGHT TO THE IMAGE, BOTH PUBLISHER, AND CREATOR (LISTED AS UNKNOWN IN IMAGE DETAILS). "copyright law of March 29, 1926" (Art. 8)
- 2. PHOTOGRAPH HAS A DATE STAMP 1951, WHICH SERVES AS A BASIS FOR A COPYRIGHT CLAIM UNDER POLAND'S COPYRIGHT LAW. "copyright law of March 29, 1926" (ART. 21)
- 3. THE CLAIM MADE BY USER: Szczebrzeszynski (WHO SCANNED THIS IMAGE FROM A MAGAZINE) THAT THERE IS NO COPYRIGHT IS BOGUS. EVEN COMMUNIST ERA MAGAZINES USED COPYRIGHT TO PROTECT THEIR MATERIAL, AND ENSURE THAT THEIR WORK IS NOT RIPPED OFF BY COMPETING, OR FOREIGN PUBLICATIONS.
- Also, user Claritas confirmed that the dual ownership claim is correct, user Electron confirmed that this image has a date stamp of 1951, which under the law acts as a copyright claim, and I have again noted that the copyright expires 50 year after the death of the creator. At this point I am not sure how anyone can claim that this image does not violate any copyright laws and should stay!
- You can only !vote once, so I've struck your !vote. That user was certainly your sockpuppet, unless you normally refer to yourself as "the IP". We've already gone through with you the fact that the 1952 copyright law is not a law in itself, but an amendment of the 1926 law, and therefore is retroactive. --Claritas (talk) 01:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Dude, what the hell are you talking about! Even the 1952 law affords copyright protection, and dual ownership!!! You and all the other fools think that just because the photo was taken during the communist era it has no copyright protection whatsoever! Look at Article 45 and Article 2 of the "copyright law of July 10, 1952". Even if there is no copyright stamp it only prevents the third party form being prosecuted for illegally reproducing the image, but they have to cease and desist once notified. At this point there is no use in voting, this image is in violation of the copyright law!!! You and other registered users are just going in circles, I disprove one of your claims, you bring up an old one again!!! --76.118.227.161 01:37, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- There is no copyright notice. "A photograph is a subject of copyright, if there is a clear copyright notice on the work" (look at article 2 §1). No copyright notice => no copyright protection. --Claritas (talk) 02:00, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- And look at Article 2/Section 3!!! It states that if there is no copyright stamp it only prevents the third party form being held liable for illegally reproducing the image. But, they have to cease and desist once made aware of the source of the image. Funny, how you just did not include this section, but listed 1 and 2 only? Also, I noted earlier that if there is a year stamp present (there is 1951) it constitutes the basis of a copyright notice see: (Art. 3) of "copyright law of March 29, 1926" and (Art. 2) of "copyright law of July 10, 1952" You are just trying to put this IP (me), in my place since you are the registered user, right? How many examples do I have to provide!!!--76.118.227.161 02:09, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Also, how do you know there is no copyright stamp present, do you have the magazine in front of you? It's very unlikely that a magazine just publishes its content without a copyright (communism, or not) even under communism magazines were wary of other foreign, and domestic publishers ripping-off their work! So, stop going by stereotypes like "communism = public domain", this could not be further from the truth! --76.118.227.161 02:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Look at the photograph ? Is there a copyright notice printed on the photograph ? No. So no copyright protection applies. --Claritas (talk) 02:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Dude, can you read... did you not comprehend what I just wrote above, just cause someone cuts off the bottom of the image and says "no copyright date here" does not mean that there is no protection afforded. READ ART. 2/SEC. 3 --76.118.227.161 02:55, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Just cause I'm rough around the edges doesn't mean that my claim is invalid, and is to be ignored. But, it seems that you also ignore the fact that the uploaded image is breaking Wiki copyright rules. --76.118.227.161 03:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- You need to find me a full picture of the photograph, showing that it was published with a copyright notice then. --Claritas (talk) 10:55, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- You know, I notice this every time... that the "registered users" gang up on an IP, and totally disregards, or dismiss the IP's claims. Per Wiki rules the burden of prof is on the person that wants to keep the image, ask them to scan the entire page to see if there is a copyright stamp, if they claimed that the image was scanned from a magazine, they surly have it on hand, right. How the hell, do you really believe someone who scanned a photo form a magazine, and claimed that there is "no copyright stamp" whatsoever? I have tons of books and magazines form communist Poland, and they all have copyright notices! This is such BS it's pathetic... So, if I'm a "registered user" I can just add an image, say there is no copyright, and everyone takes my side, right... no one questions my contribution? --76.118.227.161 14:33, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- If you were polite and didn't create sockpuppets, we might listen to you. It's nothing to do with you being an IP. --Claritas (talk) 14:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Just cause I'm rough around the edges doesn't mean that my claim is invalid, and is to be ignored. But, it seems that you also ignore the fact that the uploaded image is breaking Wiki copyright rules. --76.118.227.161 03:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- If you were polite and didn't create sockpuppets, we might listen to you. It's nothing to do with you being an IP. --Claritas (talk) 14:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Here is a link to a Polish magazine http://www.przekroj.pl/index.php/pol/Retro?rok=1951&miesiac= that was founded in 1945, and still exists to this day... you can look at their archive, and see old magazines form 1951... But, the real point is that they still have a claim to their work... So, don't give me that nonsense that communisim = public domain. --76.118.227.161 14:50, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- And here is a link to the intellectual property regulations http://www.przekroj.pl/index.php/pol/REGULAMIN which states that copyright protection exists for all material on this website, including the back issues of the magazine that were made available for viewing on the site, reprinting of such images is prohibited without a written consent. --76.118.227.161 15:20, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- You know, I notice this every time... that the "registered users" gang up on an IP, and totally disregards, or dismiss the IP's claims. Per Wiki rules the burden of prof is on the person that wants to keep the image, ask them to scan the entire page to see if there is a copyright stamp, if they claimed that the image was scanned from a magazine, they surly have it on hand, right. How the hell, do you really believe someone who scanned a photo form a magazine, and claimed that there is "no copyright stamp" whatsoever? I have tons of books and magazines form communist Poland, and they all have copyright notices! This is such BS it's pathetic... So, if I'm a "registered user" I can just add an image, say there is no copyright, and everyone takes my side, right... no one questions my contribution? --76.118.227.161 14:33, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- You need to find me a full picture of the photograph, showing that it was published with a copyright notice then. --Claritas (talk) 10:55, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Look at the photograph ? Is there a copyright notice printed on the photograph ? No. So no copyright protection applies. --Claritas (talk) 02:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- There is no copyright notice. "A photograph is a subject of copyright, if there is a clear copyright notice on the work" (look at article 2 §1). No copyright notice => no copyright protection. --Claritas (talk) 02:00, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Dude, what the hell are you talking about! Even the 1952 law affords copyright protection, and dual ownership!!! You and all the other fools think that just because the photo was taken during the communist era it has no copyright protection whatsoever! Look at Article 45 and Article 2 of the "copyright law of July 10, 1952". Even if there is no copyright stamp it only prevents the third party form being prosecuted for illegally reproducing the image, but they have to cease and desist once notified. At this point there is no use in voting, this image is in violation of the copyright law!!! You and other registered users are just going in circles, I disprove one of your claims, you bring up an old one again!!! --76.118.227.161 01:37, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- You can only !vote once, so I've struck your !vote. That user was certainly your sockpuppet, unless you normally refer to yourself as "the IP". We've already gone through with you the fact that the 1952 copyright law is not a law in itself, but an amendment of the 1926 law, and therefore is retroactive. --Claritas (talk) 01:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Also, user Claritas confirmed that the dual ownership claim is correct, user Electron confirmed that this image has a date stamp of 1951, which under the law acts as a copyright claim, and I have again noted that the copyright expires 50 year after the death of the creator. At this point I am not sure how anyone can claim that this image does not violate any copyright laws and should stay!
DeleteI have not read the extensive statutory discussion, so if I missed some nuance please correct me, but to the extent that the keep argument relies on it being published without a copyright notice, that argument must be rejected without access to the full magazine and verification that there is not copyright information published at the beginning/end with a proper copyright notice and credit, or credit and copyright notice in the photo caption. It's absurd to say that the notice does not exist if not overlaid on the photo itself. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- If you read the text of 1952 law, it is required that the notice is superimposed on the photograph. --Claritas (talk) 16:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- Keep then... It's public domain for no notice (regardless if there would have been two copyright owners if the copyright had existed in the first place). Sounds like a bizarre rule but that's what the law says as best as I can understand from Google translate (and the comments above). As far as an argument that that sentence only applies to reliance parties, that's not what it appears to say -- 76..., you'll have to make that argument much more clearly if you want to persuade people. Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:22, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- I have found proof that Polish magazines form the communist era did indeed carry copyright protection, and listed the names of the photographers just below the image itself, see hyperlink for a 1951 Przekrój magazine: http://mbc.malopolska.pl/dlibra/doccontent?id=58859&from=PIONIER%20DLF you may have to download a Djvu reader to see it. But, on every page there is a caption that identifies the creator. Also, here is another point... you do not know if the intellectual property rights were sold off to a third party, and someone all together different holds the right to this publication, and reserves the claim to this image. --76.118.227.161 01:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- How does that prove that they carried copyright protection? There isn't even a copyright notice anywhere in that magazine, as far as I see (except one added during the digitization process decades later). (There are photo credits, but those are entirely unrelated.) If anything, this magazine supports the argument that copyright notices were unusual in this era. Because there are no copyright notices for the photos in that magazine, they too would be in the public domain. This concept of public domain by no notice is not unique to Poland - it also applied in the United States for some time - see {{PD-US-no notice}}. I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to wrap your brain around this. Calliopejen1 (talk) 03:46, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- If you read the text of 1952 law, it is required that the notice is superimposed on the photograph. --Claritas (talk) 16:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
At this point, can we go ahead and remove the disputed image... The users who voted to keep the photo are presenting very weak arguments to support their claims.
- User: Buckshot06 voted to keep the image, but only argued that the image is nominated for deletion because someone does not like it, and provides no further comments.
- User: Szczebrzeszynski who uploaded the image, simply states that the photo is in the public domain, because it's form the communist era in Poland, and mistakenly believes that communism/state owned = unrestricted public domain. A claim that was disproved by user Electron, who actually voted to keep the image.
- User: Electron voted to keep the image, because he believes that the copyright has expired, but he is not acknowledging the fact that we do not know who's the photographer that took the image is, so determining the expiration date of a copyright is impossible in this case.
- User: Claritas voted to keep the image, but his only method is to shoot down claims supporting the removal of the image, by trying to argue minute details that suppository completely render any copyright protections null and void.
--76.118.227.161 01:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- In short:
- Well, this is exhausting, and can we really say being 100% sure that this image has no copyright protection whatsoever? All the users have been going back and forth on this issue, arguing obscure details, and the only thing that was confirmed... is that the law, and its application is very complicated, due to the ever changing political situation in Poland, and the out dated linguistic style used in its text. In the end, I doubt that this image has no copyright protection. After all, it's from a magazine, and I don't believe for a second that the publishers would allow their work to be printed without a copyright. Forget the public domain in a communist country argument, what about the publisher's work being ripped-off by some other printing house outside the country? No publisher is that naive to allow their work to be hijacked. So, can we get an expert to finally sort this out... or can we ask the person who scanned this image to request a written confirmation from the publisher that this image indeed holds no copyright protection. At this point, most of us are just guessing as to the interpretation of the copyright law, and my initial request for delection was based on the fact that this image was scanned form a magazine. --76.118.227.161 00:14, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
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--76.118.227.161 01:33, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
- Can anyone find sure proof of this picture's copyright status, otherwise it should be deleted. The discussion has been going on for a two months. The person who uploaded the image did not provide any additional information on this photo, when asked to do so. Also, the image was allegedly scanned from the "Radio i Telewizja" weekly magazine which was a TV guide... so without additional information how can we be sure that this image is of actual Polish soldiers, and not of some TV program stand-ins. Not to mention that there is a very possibility that this image is violating copyright laws. This picture's status, and subject matter is unclear... thus it should be deleted. --76.118.227.161 01:16, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
- Keep. Assuming that the Template:PD-Poland is correct, which I have no reason not to, there are no grounds for deletion. Btw, this photo has been subject to some discussion and edit warring on en wiki. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 04:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
KEPT, no proof this photograph was clearly restricted, as required by pre-1994 copyright law in Poland. Unrestricted photos gained no copyright protection, so other regulations (like protection terms etc.) are not relevant to resolution debate. A.J. (talk) 07:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Is it really from 1890? Evidence? Looks more modern to me 80.187.96.191 19:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep, was soll die Vermutung Is it really from 1890? Evidence? Looks more modern to me aussagen? Persönliche Ansichten haben bei Wikipedia keinen Platz. Der Benutzer IP.80.187.96.191 mag Beweise für seine Annahme bringen. Julie Zanders ist 1869 gestorben Von daher kann das Bild auch älter sein. Da aber andere Bilder der Familie Zanders um 1890 entstanden sind, habe ich diese Zeit als den spätesten Zeitraum angegeben, weil sich das genaue Jahr der Entstehung nicht festlegen lässt. Auf jeden Fall ist das Bild älter als 100 Jahre, womit urheberrechtliche Probleme ausgeschlossen sind.--Pingsjong (talk) 11:03, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep, das Bild muss in den 1830er oder 1840er entstanden sein, siehe Lebensdaten und Kleidung der abgebildeten Person. --Atamari (talk) 16:37, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep "Erscheint mir moderner" ist rein spekulativ. Wenn wir alles löschen würden was uns moderner erscheint ..... --Graphikus (talk) 21:15, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - although I understand the nominator; I wonder if the face was not redone or touched up at a later date. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:45, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
??? Wann wird denn hier mal eine Entscheidung getroffen?--Pingsjong (talk) 11:13, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Kept: Curious licence situation; GDFL hardly fits. I changed it into PD-art/PD-old [Anybody any comments to that please contact me on my disk site]. But all in all, this is no copyright violation. High Contrast (talk) 14:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Derivative work. Sounds like advertising. Sdrtirs (talk) 18:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete it also says "todos los derechos reservadas". /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:35, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Obvious copyvio/promotional content Morning Sunshine (talk) 02:15, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Derivative work of copyrighted product Morning Sunshine (talk) 09:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- delete all, clearly unacceptable here. NVO (talk) 11:20, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:46, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Derivative work of copyrighted product Morning Sunshine (talk) 09:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:46, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Derivative work of copyrighted product Morning Sunshine (talk) 09:58, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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Derivative work of copyrighted product Morning Sunshine (talk) 09:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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Derivative work of copyrighted product Morning Sunshine (talk) 10:00, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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Derivative work of copyrighted product Morning Sunshine (talk) 10:01, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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Derivative work of copyrighted product Morning Sunshine (talk) 10:01, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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Derivative work of copyrighted product Morning Sunshine (talk) 10:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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Derivative work of copyrighted product Morning Sunshine (talk) 10:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:46, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Derivative work of copyrighted product Morning Sunshine (talk) 10:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
The design of Canadian coins are the copyright of the Royal Canadian Mint, so images taken of coins from 1961 and after (Crown copyright is 50 years) cannot be hosted on Commons. Kobac (talk) 10:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Couldn't we change it so that it states that the image is the copyright of Royal Canadian Mint because there's no other way to show monetary objects since there's generally no free alternatives? Cncxbox (talk) 21:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. Per Commons:Currency#Canada. -- Asclepias (talk) 12:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: We host only freely licensed images on Commons -- no others, even if it is inconvenient. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
The design of Canadian coins are the copyright of the Royal Canadian Mint, so images taken of coins from 1961 and after (Crown copyright is 50 years) cannot be hosted on Commons. Kobac (talk) 10:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. Derivative work of non-free work. -- Asclepias (talk) 12:50, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:48, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
The design of Canadian coins are the copyright of the Royal Canadian Mint, so images taken of coins from 1961 and after (Crown copyright is 50 years) cannot be hosted on Commons. Kobac (talk) 10:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. Per Commons:Currency#Canada. -- Asclepias (talk) 12:44, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
The design of Canadian coins are the copyright of the Royal Canadian Mint, so images taken of coins from 1961 and after (Crown copyright is 50 years) cannot be hosted on Commons. Kobac (talk) 10:23, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- That being the case, please do go ahead and delete the image. Nuujinn (talk) 11:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. Per Commons:Currency#Canada. -- Asclepias (talk) 12:43, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
The design of Canadian coins are the copyright of the Royal Canadian Mint, so images taken of coins from 1961 and after (Crown copyright is 50 years) cannot be hosted on Commons. Kobac (talk) 10:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Photograph of a presumably copyrighted object Andre Engels (talk) 11:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Photograph of a presumably copyrighted object Andre Engels (talk) 11:23, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Claimed "own work", but quite obviously is not. Also claimed to be work of User:CNIA, who does not even exist Andre Engels (talk) 11:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Doubtful own work claim; even if it is, it is described as a "tribute", which makes me doubt whether the author is the photographer (and if not, whether he has the photographer's permission to distribute this as his own work) Andre Engels (talk) 11:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Clearly unapplicable licensing info; no source info Andre Engels (talk) 11:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
portrait of apparently non-notable person Andre Engels (talk) 11:45, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:51, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
'Spiral of development' - development of what? in whose description? Also nominating File:Dvpcplx01.jpg, File:Dvpcplx01a.jpg and File:Dvpcplx01b.jpg which have basically the same content Andre Engels (talk) 11:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:51, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Logo of a newspaper; incorrect 'own work' claim Andre Engels (talk) 12:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:51, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Looks like it's been copied from a book or something. Even if this is own work, Commons is still not the right project for something that is just plain text Andre Engels (talk) 12:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:52, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
'own work' claim seems very doubtful to me Andre Engels (talk) 12:29, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:52, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
insufficient licensing; unclear own work claim not corresponding user Agora (talk) 13:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:53, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Small German lift company. 84.62.204.7 13:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
How many Knizia Strelow lifts exist? --84.61.139.62 10:51, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:54, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Low res BW photo of bust. There is high quality pictures of same sculpture, see Category:Alexandr Golytsin by Shubin Shakko (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Not own work. Uploaded to Commons after being deleted on ar.wikipedia 62.76.41.63 13:55, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Out of scope Sankoswal (talk) 12:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. Daphne Lantier 21:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Not own work. Uploaded to Commons after being deleted on ar.wikipedia 62.76.41.63 13:56, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Not own work. Uploaded to Commons after being deleted on ar.wikipedia 62.76.41.63 13:56, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Not own work. Uploaded to Commons after being deleted on ar.wikipedia 62.76.41.63 13:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Not own work. Uploaded to Commons after being deleted on ar.wikipedia 62.76.41.63 13:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Out of scope. Photo was never used afaik. Trijnstel (talk) 14:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
the quality is rather low, and there are two or more better pictures of the same item 89.182.242.223 15:53, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- You're right, better quality pictures have been uploaded since then. I don't object to the deletion. Perditax (talk) 21:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:58, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I think that this image isn't simple gemetry and is a trademarked logo: "The material on this website, which includes text and imagesis the property of GP2 Motorsport Limited or its licensors. You may not do the following without prior written consent from GP2 Motorsport Limited: Distribute the Content; Remove the copyright notice from any part of the Content; Make any commercial use of the Content". NaBUru38 (talk) 16:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- "trademarked" is not a reason for deletion. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:36, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, I thought it was. Good bye! --NaBUru38 (talk) 01:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps this should be deleted, not as a copyvio, but for being saved in JPEG format. We have a SVG version available, File:GP2 Logo.svg, which is a much more appropriate format for a graphic like this. Techtri (talk) 12:49, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Derivative work. -- Common Good (talk) 16:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Keep This placard is not a copvio DW, as its originallity does not pass the threshold; esp. as the photo is de-minimis in this case. And, more importantly, it was released under FOP. Chesdovi (talk) 12:34, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep not de minimis, the original photo of this prisoner is the center of this image, not permanently located, but I do not believe that the original rights holder could claim any rights on this. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:41, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: FOP does not apply and the photo is clearly the center of interest of the image. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:00, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
and File:Clements Elkins Trophy.png. Unlikely to be own work: small resolutions, missing EXIF. EugeneZelenko (talk) 16:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Elkins_High_School.jpg is not the image that was deleted as far as I can tell. I believe the image deleted was Clements_Elkins_Rivalry.png, my own work. Clements Elkins Trophy.png is also my own work.
Reasoning was "Removing "Clements_Elkins_Rivalry.png", it has been deleted from Commons by EugeneZelenko because: Copyright violation: School logo. Not text only." The Clements_Elkins_Rivalry.png was not a school logo. It is my own work. FBISD (talk) 03:25, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:00, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Copyright violation, de:Jutta Osten died in 2009; photo was obviousely taken in Museum Liesbeth Lass (talk) 18:09, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:03, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Derivative work, advertising, probably out of scope. Sdrtirs (talk) 18:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:03, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
A copy of here http://www.skatecanada.ca/Portals/2/2011GPFphotos/JrLadies-Podium.jpg Photo by Stephen Potopnyk, as indicated in the metadata. Luu (talk) 18:51, 12 December 2011 (UTC) Previously, it was stated that this is own work User: Pandamepanda, now replaced by the indication of the author. In any case, permission is required for use.--Luu (talk) 03:25, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:03, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
A copy of here http://www.skatecanada.ca/Portals/2/2011GPFphotos/JrLadies-Champion.jpg Photo by Stephen Potopnyk, as indicated in the metadata. Luu (talk) 18:53, 12 December 2011 (UTC) Previously, it was stated that this is own work User: Pandamepanda, now replaced by the indication of the author. In any case, permission is required for use.--Luu (talk) 03:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:03, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
It seems the source is http://www.vb.eqla3.com/showthread.php?t=989238. Sdrtirs (talk) 19:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:06, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Not useable File with wrong license! (not a screenshot) maybe even out of scope 93.132.69.189 19:41, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:06, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Simple arabic text Funfood ␌ 20:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:07, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Diagram of an unknown game, out of scope Funfood ␌ 20:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Unused promotional banner George Chernilevsky talk 20:25, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Non-notable persons, unused private photo George Chernilevsky talk 20:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
wrong scale Khalidrizuan91 (talk) 02:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: No valid reason for delete Morning Sunshine (talk) 08:44, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Promotional banner George Chernilevsky talk 20:29, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Morning Sunshine (talk) 08:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Promotional banner George Chernilevsky talk 20:29, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Morning Sunshine (talk) 08:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Promotional banner George Chernilevsky talk 20:30, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Morning Sunshine (talk) 08:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Promotional personal banner George Chernilevsky talk 20:31, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Morning Sunshine (talk) 08:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Promotional banner George Chernilevsky talk 20:31, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Morning Sunshine (talk) 08:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Unused image of an inactive user. GeorgHH • talk 21:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Out of scope Morning Sunshine (talk) 08:45, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
outdated Steinhöfer (talk) 15:53, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: No valid reason for deletion Morning Sunshine (talk) 08:45, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- Files by HanaKarolina
Not own work unless the guy's a time traveller and took his Canon MP550 back to WW2. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:05, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Per nom, no evidence that these photos are PD. 99of9 (talk) 11:32, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
This is a made up "logo" ("source: imagination") and thus of no value. 188.109.95.15 14:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep, real channel. Fry1989 eh? 22:05, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- Delete, not a real logo and not verified by ZDF!--Dancle (talk) 14:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
- Delete, real Logo has been announced a few weeks ago --Infanf (talk) 22:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- Currently, ZDFneo HD doesn't exist at all. 84.61.139.62 20:10, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:56, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
This is a made up "logo" ("source: imagination") and thus of no value. 188.109.95.15 14:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep, real channel. Fry1989 eh? 22:05, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- Delete, not a real logo and not verified by ZDF!--Dancle (talk) 14:12, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
- Currently, ZDFkultur HD doesn't exist at all. 84.61.139.62 20:54, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Delete by author --Infanf (talk) 14:53, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:58, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
template's requirements not obeyed: "To use this template, the image must meet both of the following two conditions: 1. published over 70 years ago, and 2. the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication." Saibo (Δ) 15:14, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
- I have added the subtitle from source. I think (google translate) there is maybe something about the photographer, isn't it? Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 18:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Translation:Photograph of Rado Hribar. This photo served to painter as a basis for the "Knight's portrait" (owned by Angelika Hribar*)
- She is a descendant of Rado Hribar and not photograph of image. Also she only poses this photo in her archive. Ipos
- Thank you very much Ipos! :-) Okay, if I understand correctly there is no photographer mentioned. What's about the rest of the document? Is there any photographer mentioned. Do you know which kind of photograph this is? Is it possible that it was published somewhere else with the photographer's name?
- And: where and when was it published? We need a publication which is over 70 years ago. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 20:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Kept: no information was provided about what part of the license requirement has not been fulfilled and why Jcb (talk) 11:56, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
- Renomination #1
template's requirements not obeyed: "To use this template, the image must meet both of the following two conditions: 1. published over 70 years ago, and 2. the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication."
For some people here: the second requirement is not fulfilled (see description page). Apparently mistakenly closed Saibo (Δ) 13:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - seems renominator confuses 'author' with 'subject'. The dates of the photographed person are given, but that's totally unimportant for the copyright situation - Jcb (talk) 14:32, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
- Delete The source does not establish the anonymity of the original publication. --Simonxag (talk) 02:00, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Deleted because circumstances of publication are unknown. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 18:09, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
- Renomination #2
no source (cannot see it at source - which page?!), what is the source of the date of publication. And see last DR. Both requirements are still not fulfilled / not documented that they are. Saibo (Δ) 17:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Speedy deletion -- this was properly deleted per the DR above and did not go through an UnDR. Uploading deleted files is a violation of Commons policy. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 19:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, yes, indeed. Thanks, didn't notice that it was deleted rather than kept (some other DRs of similar files were kept) and the reuploaded. --Saibo (Δ) 22:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Copyright violation - the clear reasoning by Trycatch at Commons:Deletion_requests/File:"Appreciate_America._Come_On_Gang._All_Out_for_Uncle_Sam"_(Mickey_Mouse)"_-_NARA_-_513869.tif applies here too Ajbp (talk) 19:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- File:Get in the Scrap NARA 514359.png
- File:"Get in the Scrap" - NARA - 514359.jpg
- Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mickey Mouse - The Mad Doctor.png
Deleted: per Commons:Deletion_requests/File:"Appreciate_America._Come_On_Gang._All_Out_for_Uncle_Sam"_(Mickey_Mouse)"_-_NARA_-_513869.tif Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 05:51, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Copyright violation - the clear reasoning by Trycatch at Commons:Deletion_requests/File:"Appreciate_America._Come_On_Gang._All_Out_for_Uncle_Sam"_(Mickey_Mouse)"_-_NARA_-_513869.tif applies here too Ajbp (talk) 19:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Per Commons:Deletion_requests/File:"Appreciate_America._Come_On_Gang._All_Out_for_Uncle_Sam"_(Mickey_Mouse)"_-_NARA_-_513869.tif Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 05:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Unused personal logo George Chernilevsky talk 20:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: out of scope Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 05:57, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Promotional banner George Chernilevsky talk 20:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: out of scope Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 05:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Unused watermarked personal photo George Chernilevsky talk 20:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: out of scope Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 05:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Promotional banner George Chernilevsky talk 20:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: out of scope Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 05:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Promotional banner George Chernilevsky talk 20:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: out of scope Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 05:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Out of project scope. Unused personal family banner George Chernilevsky talk 20:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: out of scope Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 05:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
logo of a JavaScript library... Andre Engels (talk) 12:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: Ineligible for copyright, license tag modified →Nagy 18:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Files of User:Pbritos
[edit]- File:Puelo9.jpg
- File:Puelo8.jpg
- File:Puelo7.jpg
- File:Puelo6.jpg
- File:Puelo5.jpg
- File:Puelo4.jpg
- File:Puelo3.jpg
- File:Puelo2.jpg
- File:Puelo1.jpg
- File:Cañadon3.jpg
- File:Cañadon2.jpg
- File:Cañadon1.jpg
- File:Artesania15.jpg
- File:Artesania14.jpg
- File:Artesania13.jpg
- File:Artesania11.jpg
Photos are credited with © Leo F. Ridano, All rights reserved and refering http://www.reflejosdelbosque.com.ar. It isn't clear that the user is the copyright holder and it may be needing go through OTRS. --Sdrtirs (talk) 19:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:04, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Files in Category:Toulouse Metro Ligne B
[edit]No Freedom of Panorama in France, and the selected pictures show artwork, either inside the metro or temporary outside.
- File:Ascenseur.jpg
- File:Ascenseur2.jpg
- File:Metro faculte-de-pharmacie.JPG
- File:Metro Justice 01.JPG
- File:Metro Justice 02.JPG
- File:Metro Justice 03.JPG
- File:Toulouse Tisséo X Mobilier LB Borderouge (2).JPG
Léna (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Keep the files File:Ascenseur.jpg and File:Ascenseur2.jpg the uploader seems to be the artist. See their blog [4].
I made the pictures faculté de pharmacie and Justice. I would like to contact the artists to have authorisations, but am not shure to find all of them and I have some serious problems with my internet acces, which doesn't makes it easier. So if I don't post new information before end of january, I think you will delete the images :-(. Traumrune (talk) 22:48, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, I think it's then best to wait a month :) Léna (talk) 23:11, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- Today I contacted the artists (IRWIN project, D Menconi) and the photographer/artist chat maigre for authorization. I hope they will answer soon. Traumrune (talk) 14:17, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:07, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
template's requirements not obeyed: "To use this template, the image must meet both of the following two conditions: 1. published over 70 years ago, and 2. the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication." Saibo (Δ) 15:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Translation: Rudolf Marčič in Shkodër, 1916. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipos (talk • contribs) 2011-02-14T20:38:32 (UTC)
- Thank you very much Ipos! :-) Okay, if I understand correctly there is no photographer mentioned. What's about the rest of the document? Is there any photographer mentioned. Do you know which kind of photograph this is? Is it possible that it was published somewhere else with the photographer's name?
- And: where and when was it published? We need a publication which is over 70 years ago. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 20:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Kept: no information was provided about what part of the license requirement has not been fulfilled and why (if newspapers don't credit it, it was without credit in their archive) Jcb (talk) 11:38, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
no source (cannot see it at source - which page?!), no date of publication. And see last DR. Both requirements are still not fulfilled. Saibo (Δ) 17:41, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep Saibo, why don't you nominate Mattbuck's WWI uploads instead of renominating failed DRs? Are you afraid? /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:26, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: Anonymous work published in EU in 1916. Source not necessary. Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 05:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
File:"Appreciate_America._I_Get_Exasperated_at_People_Who_Squawk"_(Donald_Duck)_-_NARA_-_513868.tif
[edit]{{PD-USGov}} only applies to works created by an officer or employee of the U.S. government as part of that person's official duties. Works created by others and reused by the Government does not fall into the public domain. This image carries a clear copyright notice: "© WDP" (Walt Disney Pictures) and was not created by an officer or employee of the U.S. government. —LX (talk, contribs) 18:33, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
This also applies to:
- File:"Appreciate America. I Get Exasperated at People Who Squawk" (Donald Duck) - NARA - 513868.jpg
- File:Donald Duck - Derivative of NARA 513868.svg.
—LX (talk, contribs) 18:36, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Comment see as well Commons:Deletion requests/File:"Appreciate America. Come On Gang. All Out for Uncle Sam" (Mickey Mouse)" - NARA - 513869.tif →AzaToth 18:37, 24 October 2011 (UTC)- Comment it is a derivative work, and it is PD as the original work is PD. Jeblad (talk) 18:52, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
- Whether the original work is in the public domain is yet to be determined. Even if it is in the public domain, the reason given is wrong (because it's not a work of the U.S. Government). —LX (talk, contribs) 19:00, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
- Keep It appears to be a work that Disney Studio donated to the US Government to assist with the War effort. Add a {{Trademark}} for the Donald Duck character if you wish, but I'd guess the copyright tag is correct. -- Infrogmation (talk) 22:28, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
- It would appear to be licensed rather than donated. Given the copyright notice, the copyright was obviously not transferred. —LX (talk, contribs) 22:55, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
- I think this is precisely the same situation as the Mickey Mouse one. PD-USGov is definitely wrong; the overall poster has a 1941 copyright notice to Appreciate America Inc., and the Donald Duck portion is copyrighted by WDP (Walt Disney Productions). I do not recall seeing any Donald Duck renewals either when I was looking for Mickey Mouse (nor did I find any Appreciate America Inc. renewals). Derivative works are likely heavily compromised by the character copyright, but technically, this drawing (and poster) is likely PD. Carl Lindberg (talk) 04:53, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Kept: No renewal. As for the Mickey poster, some derivative works may not be in the public domain. License changed to {{PD-US-not renewed}}. Yann (talk) 12:14, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Previous deletion decision was incorrect - the clear reasoning by Trycatch at Commons:Deletion_requests/File:"Appreciate_America._Come_On_Gang._All_Out_for_Uncle_Sam"_(Mickey_Mouse)"_-_NARA_-_513869.tif applies here too Ajbp (talk) 19:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete My argument above had to do with a misreading of the ruling (or rather, looking at text which was not part of the ruling and thinking it was). Anyways, yes, this case should follow the Mickey Mouse DR, which was recently changed to a deletion. Carl Lindberg (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- migrate to english wikipedia, "non-free 2D art" Slowking4 (talk) 19:58, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - derivative of non-free work. --Claritas (talk) 12:48, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- Comment I think that this deletion request also applies to File:"Appreciate America. I Get Exasperated at People Who Squawk" (Donald Duck) - NARA - 513868.jpg and File:Appreciate America. I Get Exasperated at People Who Squawk (Donald Duck) - NARA - 513868.png since those are basically just the same picture. --Stefan4 (talk) 15:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Delete I seem to understand that all pictures of Donald Duck are unfree for as long as The Wise Little Hen remains copyrighted. --Stefan4 (talk) 15:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
- Could we reach a general decision before closing this please? See Commons:Village pump/Copyright#Disney characters deletion requests. Yann (talk) 15:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Deleted Decision at Commons:Deletion_requests/File:"Appreciate_America._Come_On_Gang._All_Out_for_Uncle_Sam"_(Mickey_Mouse)"_-_NARA_-_513869.tif applies here as well. Donald Duck retains an original copyright despite the copyright of the underlying work.
Copyright violation - the clear reasoning by Trycatch at Commons:Deletion_requests/File:"Appreciate_America._Come_On_Gang._All_Out_for_Uncle_Sam"_(Mickey_Mouse)"_-_NARA_-_513869.tif applies here too Ajbp (talk) 19:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete The copyright was renewed. Renewal record:
© 19May41; A5-119459. 26Jun68;
R437991.
- The poster is actually the Donald Duck daily newspaper strip from 19 May 1941[5]. --Stefan4 (talk) 01:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: Unfree, copyright renewed in 1968 Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 05:48, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
template's requirements not obeyed: "To use this template, the image must meet both of the following two conditions: published over 70 years ago, and the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication. " Saibo (Δ) 01:07, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:26, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- Do you surrender in the anonymous works war? ;) Honestly, you know that DRs are not a vote? --Saibo (Δ) 04:09, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Delete The claim source is recent, not more than 70 y. Is not clear for me what is the original publication, the author is unknown and the "around 1930" is not clear enough to think the template is properly use, even picture looks old. To many "unknow" to be freelicence. --Andrea (talk) 17:35, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
- What is unclear? Sitter died 1930! /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:38, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
- Excuse me, the picture says "Author unknown" Or not? --Andrea (talk) 18:07, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
- Exactly the reason why it is tagged with {{PD-EU-no author disclosure}}. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
- So, actually there´s no way to know the author's dead, and clearly the given source is not the first publication of the picture. Right? Is it possible to know when was the first publication of the picture? --Andrea (talk) 19:05, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
- The source site mentions that the photo is from the collection of Angelika Hribar, who has written on Slovenian genealogy. So this photo circulated, anonymously it seems. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
- So, actually there´s no way to know the author's dead, and clearly the given source is not the first publication of the picture. Right? Is it possible to know when was the first publication of the picture? --Andrea (talk) 19:05, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
- Exactly the reason why it is tagged with {{PD-EU-no author disclosure}}. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
- Excuse me, the picture says "Author unknown" Or not? --Andrea (talk) 18:07, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Kept: per Pieter Kuiper Jcb (talk) 13:51, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
"make sure the author never claimed authorship." (citation of copyright indication tag) - I cannot see that fact being documented. Saibo (Δ) 22:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep per last time; what is keeping Saibo from nomination File:BTM 1916 WW1.jpg for deletion? /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Too many uncertain things. If it was created in 1926 or later, it was copyrighted in both Germany and Slovenia on the URAA date. "Before 1930" could mean either "before 1926" or "after 1925". It is also dubious if it really is an anonymous work, or if it has been published somewhere, both things affecting the copyright status in Europe and the United States. Unpublished anonymous works are copyrighted for 120 years since creation in the United States and it is unclear if this is older than 120 years or not. --Stefan4 (talk) 13:21, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Kept: Anonymous author, greater than 70 years in EU. Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 06:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
template's requirements not obeyed: "To use this template, the image must meet both of the following two conditions: published over 70 years ago, and the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication. " Saibo (Δ) 01:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - ordinary group portrait of more than 90 years ago. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:30, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- and how does this fulfill the template's requirements? --Saibo (Δ) 04:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep looking at the source website (Google translation), I do not see any information about the author of the photograph. It looks to fill the requirements of {{PD-EU-anonymous}} tag. MKFI (talk) 19:17, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
- I fail to understand how this no information on one webpage should satisfy "the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication". --Saibo (Δ) 00:31, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - anonymous as even the history museum doesn't know the name of the photographer. --Sporti (talk) 09:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Where do they say that they do not know the name? --Saibo (Δ) 00:44, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
- It is written where it's known like with Maksim Gaspari at the bottom. --Sporti (talk) 05:14, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
- Ah - sorry, that is not satisfying "the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication. ". Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 12:54, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
- Well you can only proove that his identity was publicly disclosed (if it were), not Vice Versa. You can't proove that something doesn't exsist. I mean look at other similar cases. --Sporti (talk) 14:11, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
- Absolutely right, taken strictly this sentence is nearly impossible to proof for most cases. In my opinion it is sufficient if we can be sure to some extent. Your proof is below that threshold in my opinion. There is currently nothing known except the fact that for some unknown reason the museum has not put the name of the photographer below the photo on its website. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 01:10, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
- If they knew, they would give a name. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 06:35, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
- Absolutely right, taken strictly this sentence is nearly impossible to proof for most cases. In my opinion it is sufficient if we can be sure to some extent. Your proof is below that threshold in my opinion. There is currently nothing known except the fact that for some unknown reason the museum has not put the name of the photographer below the photo on its website. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 01:10, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
- Well you can only proove that his identity was publicly disclosed (if it were), not Vice Versa. You can't proove that something doesn't exsist. I mean look at other similar cases. --Sporti (talk) 14:11, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
- Ah - sorry, that is not satisfying "the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication. ". Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 12:54, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
- It is written where it's known like with Maksim Gaspari at the bottom. --Sporti (talk) 05:14, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
- Where do they say that they do not know the name? --Saibo (Δ) 00:44, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Keep Photo meets Template:Anonymous-EU criteria. — MZaplotnik (my contribs) 08:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Delete Image was not first published on that website, thefore the 'no information on the website' is meaningless. From what publication was it scanned, what information was written in that publication. Thats essential source information to say if its Anonymous-EU or not, and this source information is missing. --Martin H. (talk) 09:12, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
- Keep museum showpiece --Miha (talk) 14:25, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
- Keep per Smihael Ipos (talk) 13:51, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Kept. Jcb (talk) 16:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
still no template conditions fulfilling info on the file page - see last DR. "Reasonable evidence must be presented ..." Saibo (Δ) 01:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - renominations like these are not helpful. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:54, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - per Pieter Kuiper - Jcb (talk) 13:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
- Keep per above nomination. There is consensus that reasonable evidence is present. Ajraddatz (talk) 00:43, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Kept. No consensus to delete. Reasonable efforts have been made to discover the author, to no avail. Please do not re-open without positive evidence that the author is not anonymous. Powers (talk) 17:49, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
"Please do not re-open without positive evidence that the author is not anonymous." - Well, no, it is the other way round. Also note this requirement:"make sure the author never claimed authorship." (citation of copyright indication tag) Saibo (Δ) 22:41, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- If we're required to show conclusive proof that nobody has ever claimed authorship of the image, I doubt there are many PD-whatever-anonymous images that we could keep. Not sure whether such proof would be a reasonable requirement legally. Anonymous works are certainly problematic, but consensus seems to be that we should accept some such works instead of playing it safe and only hosting media when the author is known. Jafeluv (talk) 11:51, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- If we do not need any proof and can dump any older-than-70-year photos to Commons we need to change the templates. And that should indicate to reusers that there is totally no proof that this image is free (yes, that is conflicting to Commons' aim and policy).
- Yes, most images with those license templates fail completely to justify the use of the template - like this one.
- Note the closure (you linked yourself) of Commons:Deletion_requests/Template:PD-anon-70: "... its usage requires proper documentation and where this is missing or unsatisfactory, the individual files can be submitted for deletion. ..." Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 14:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - when will Saibo get it? Commons is so out of touch with the wikipedias and with the Foundation and its lawyers. Not only when it comes to the penis wars, but also with regard to copyright: enwp is considering a blackout to protest against de US SOPA law, but he is relentlessly pushing eternal copyright for old photos with unknown authorship. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:07, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Saibo, this is starting to become disruptive. There is a strong and obvious consensus here that what is needed is not conclusive evidence that the author is unknown, only that reasonable efforts have been made and borne no fruit. Powers (talk) 01:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Thats the point. Zero effort made here. We not even have one single source consulted. --Martin H. (talk) 01:28, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ltpowers, then
change the template (to some kind of fair use template)make a new fair use template if you think this would be an lawful and accepted change - and in line with our project goals. --Saibo (Δ) 02:09, 19 December 2011 (UTC) (changed since there are also some few legitimate uses --Saibo (Δ) 02:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC))- Fair use is not allowed on Commons, and you know it. Please stop. Powers (talk) 02:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- It seemed you want to change something like introducing fair use. Rules are there to be rewritten. ;-) Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 03:19, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- But this is not a fair use case; this is a case where the overwhelming consensus of editors is that this image is, in fact, in the public domain due to anonymity. Repeatedly re-starting discussion won't change that; without additional evidence of some sort, it is not productive and it is bordering on disruptive. Powers (talk) 03:20, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- You're welcome to request my block. My suggestion to you is already above: make a big poll to change Commons aims (COM:L, COM:PRP, COM:PS#Evidence) and create new templates ... --Saibo (Δ) 16:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- But this is not a fair use case; this is a case where the overwhelming consensus of editors is that this image is, in fact, in the public domain due to anonymity. Repeatedly re-starting discussion won't change that; without additional evidence of some sort, it is not productive and it is bordering on disruptive. Powers (talk) 03:20, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- It seemed you want to change something like introducing fair use. Rules are there to be rewritten. ;-) Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 03:19, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fair use is not allowed on Commons, and you know it. Please stop. Powers (talk) 02:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- DRs are no vote - in order to give your vote a bit of usefulness please comment on the issue and reply to the claims of the contrary of your opinion. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 15:27, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - the museum doesn't know the identity of the photographer. It is unlikely to be recorded anywhere, hence we assume PD. --Claritas (talk) 14:30, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- How do you know that the museum doesn't know the name? Which research was done by the museum? When was the first publication? Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 15:05, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep see above --Miha (talk) 21:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete There is too little data to prove that the image is in public domain. The burden of proof lies on the uploader or other person arguing for the file to be retained. They have to demonstrate that as far as can reasonably be determined, the file is in the public domain or is properly licensed. The original photo seems to be kept by the Military Museum of Slovenian Armed Forces. It should be retained in Commons only if:
- a) The owner of the image ascertains with an OTRS-confirmed email that they do not know who created the image or a source is found directly stating that the author is unknown, and it is confirmed that the image was first published more than 70 years ago or more than 70 years after it was created.
- b) The owner provides the name of the author or a source is found containing it and it is confirmed that he or she died in 1944 or earlier.
- Possible sources[6] of information are, in addition to the photo library of the museum, J. Švajncer, Slovenska vojska 1918-1919 (COBISS 17207040) and e. g. Sava J. Mikić: Istorija jugoslovenskog vazduhoplovstva [History of the Yugoslav Aviation] (Naša krila, Beograd, 1933, COBISS 16432391), subtitled "sa 615 slika u tekstu" [with 615 images in text].[7] --Eleassar (t/p) 09:28, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Commons images need to be free in both the United States and the source country. The copyright status in the United States is unknown because the source doesn't provide any evidence of publication. If unpublished and anonymous, it is copyrighted in the United States for 120 years since creation. If not anonymous, it might be copyrighted in both the United States and in the source country, and the website doesn't seem to tell whether it is anonymous or not. --Stefan4 (talk) 13:26, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Kept. As per previous Keep closures. If anyone discovers it's not in PD feel free to re-open DR to get it deleted --Denniss (talk) 11:21, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Unlikely to be own work: small resolution, missing EXIF 太刻薄 (talk) 02:07, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:06, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
oops, another problem when moving from en.wiki - credited to "taj images" but no verification of permission Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:06, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
yet another image i have moved to commons and had second thoughts about. all of this user's uploads seem to come from http://voyage-bons-plans.aufeminin.com/album/seeall_112922/Martinique.html, and though that page is not archived at archive.org i think they were copied from there. all of the images at that website have arbitrary alphanumeric filenames in a certain format, and when the uploader contributed four of the images there to en.wiki, they originally had those arbitrary filenames.[8] So unless these two people with totally different usernames happen to be the same actual person, it's extremely unlikely that these got copied to that website and they invented a ton of similar arbitrary long alphanumeric names for the other files. Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
all of this user's uploads seem to come from http://voyage-bons-plans.aufeminin.com/album/seeall_112922/Martinique.html, and though that page is not archived at archive.org i think they were copied from there. all of the images at that website have arbitrary alphanumeric filenames in a certain format, and when the uploader contributed four of the images there to en.wiki, they originally had those arbitrary filenames.[9] So unless these two people with totally different usernames happen to be the same actual person, it's extremely unlikely that these got copied to that website and they invented a ton of similar arbitrary long alphanumeric names for the other files. Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:09, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
- Провокация Wolkodlak (talk) 03:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Данный файл по формальным основаниям нарушения правил: 1. ВП - не трибуна. Тем более политическая - перед выборами. 2. Завтра любой на деньгах от руки напишет любое и сфотографирует, а потом вставит в любую статью. Не АИ, способ повлиять на результат выборов. 3. Оскорбление ныне живущей персоналии. 4. Нет вообще никакой худ. ценности, фото обрезано и кривое. 5. Фото не под 90 градусов, АП? Спасибо! --109.86.219.238 19:15, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
- Название изображения иллюстрирует то, что изображено на фото, а само изображение используется в статьях, следовательно быстрое удаление здесь не применимо.--Anatoliy (talk) 19:30, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
- Кстати, уже не используется строго согласно правилу ВП:СОВР. --Vizu (talk) 21:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ещё как применимо. Фальшивая лицензия: "Это произведение не охраняется авторским правом согласно части четвёртой Гражданского кодекса Российской Федерации № 230-ФЗ от 18 декабря 2006 года. Статья 1259. Объекты авторских прав". Не охраняется целая репродукция банкноты с видом сверху ровно под 90 градусов. У данного фото есть автор, под 60 и часть банкноты. Также ВП не бесплатный хостинг для политических надписей от руки. Представьте загруженный сюда доллар с надписью ОТ РУКИ загрузившим "Обама - лидер партии жуликов и воров": его судьба ясна. Поскольку данный файл используется как АИ, но АИ не является, а является несвободной предвыборной пропагандой. Плюс явное нарушение ВП:СОВР. Плюс невозможность проверить истинность надписи (максимально возможна фабрикация исключительно для политических, но не энциклопедических целей). Плюс - загрузивший бессрочно заблокирован за многократные нарушения правил вместе со всеми своими виртуалами и основной учётной записью, отчего ПДН в отношении данного изображения не предполагаются. --188.230.122.134 20:30, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
- То есть целое произведение не охраняется АП, а его часть — охраняется? То есть, елси я возьму вот это изображение, в Фотоошопе разверну его на 60 градусов и отрежу кусок, то оно станет несвободным? Абсурд.--Anatoliy (talk) 10:55, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Целое произведение является свободным согласно ст. 1259 ГК РФ. А производные работы от него - запрещены. Причем не только авторских прав на такое произведение не возникает, но и использование части гос. символов в производных работах запрещено - законодательством о гос.символике. Отрезанное и повернутое-производная работа. Glavkom NN (talk) 18:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- "А производные работы от него - запрещены"[источник?]. Законодательство о гос.символике нерлевантно, так как это non-copyright restriction (и на изображении купюры нет гербов и флагов). --M5 (talk) 22:25, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Целое произведение является свободным согласно ст. 1259 ГК РФ. А производные работы от него - запрещены. Причем не только авторских прав на такое произведение не возникает, но и использование части гос. символов в производных работах запрещено - законодательством о гос.символике. Отрезанное и повернутое-производная работа. Glavkom NN (talk) 18:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- То есть целое произведение не охраняется АП, а его часть — охраняется? То есть, елси я возьму вот это изображение, в Фотоошопе разверну его на 60 градусов и отрежу кусок, то оно станет несвободным? Абсурд.--Anatoliy (talk) 10:55, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Законодательство о гос символике нерелевантно? Сильное заявление. Сам внешний вид купюры является гос. символикой. Производные работы от гос символики запрещены. Glavkom NN (talk) 15:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- Даже из почтовой марки и купюры, согласно статье Гражданского Кодекса РФ, нельзя произвольно вырезать либо воспроизвести какую-либо часть - только целое изображение. --Vizu (talk) 21:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Согласно какой статье? В 1259 говорится, что "Авторские права не распространяются на... денежные знаки и тому подобное". Купюра (и пол-купюры) - это денежный знак, а марка - "тому подобное" (фрагмент марки, испрльзующей охраняемую работу - совсем другой вопрос. --M5 (talk) 22:25, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Даже из почтовой марки и купюры, согласно статье Гражданского Кодекса РФ, нельзя произвольно вырезать либо воспроизвести какую-либо часть - только целое изображение. --Vizu (talk) 21:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- По поводу "фотографии видом сверху ровно под 90 градусов" - это исправлено, теперь это достоверная плоская копия половины банкноты, то етсь чистое ОД. Что касается достоверности, см. мою реплику ниже, снимок публиковался на http://newsru.com/russia/04oct2011/money.html как пример существующего явления. Ниже привожу примеры допустимых в Коммонс изображений, упоминающих президентов. --M5 (talk) 22:25, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- А вот этот рисунок-нарушение авторских прав. Производная работа от несвободного изображения в newsru.com. К тому же - какова значимость ЭТОГО рисунка? Теперь он-оригинальное исследование. Glavkom NN (talk) 15:34, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- "Плоское" изображение купюры свободно, так как не содержит творческого вклада фотографа. При этом тривиальность поворота и обрезания снимка сохраняет образовательную ценность данного изображения как описанного авторитетными источниками документа, иллюстрирующего значимое явление. --M5 (talk) 19:25, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- А вот этот рисунок-нарушение авторских прав. Производная работа от несвободного изображения в newsru.com. К тому же - какова значимость ЭТОГО рисунка? Теперь он-оригинальное исследование. Glavkom NN (talk) 15:34, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
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Надписанная купюра -
А также фашист -
Буша хотят видеть мёртвым -
намеренная порча денежных знаков
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Some of the "infinite number of things that could be written on a fence" can also be COM:Valued images -
...or even COM:Featured pictures
- Купюра надписана адресом сайта. Там нет надписи "Буш - лидер жуликов и воров" либо подобных. Кроме того, есть правило ВП:АПОЧЕМУИММОЖНО: отвечайте только за своё изображение, не приводите в пример другие загрузки других участников - они рассматриваются совершенно отдельно. Что касается долларов с печатями и адресами сайтов в весьма плохом состоянии, данные изображения не имеют никакой энциклопедической ценности как доллары. А как адрес сайта - не защищены авторским правом (ПД-тривиал). Существует правило ВП:Не бесплатный хостинг. --Vizu (talk) 15:12, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. Inappropriate file name. «Путин-лидер партии жуликов и воров» is Russian for «Putin is a leader for a Party of crooks and thieves» and it is just a mocking name of United Russia. The object (a 100-ruble bill) was obviously made by a single person. It's not a widely spread phenomenon and does not look like a political protest. It's nothing but a childish fun. Anyway, Commons is not a platform for political views and protests of a single user. --Michael Romanov (talk) 20:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep It is in fact a more-or-less widespread phenomenon, see Russian media publications e.g. http://www.regions.ru/news/2374822/ and http://newsru.com/russia/04oct2011/money.html The nominated picture is the one that newsru.com uses in its article (newsru.com attributes it to the facebook user Irina Shedrina), so the image is a genuine illustration of the real political phenomenon, and has educational value. As to copyright issues, the Russian banknote is PD, so is a half of the banknote with some not-so-artfull inscription. The photograph of said banknote may be copyrighted in some cases, so just to be safe I have cropped the picture and removed the perspective to meet "Faithful reproductions of two-dimensional works" criteria. --M5 (talk) 21:52, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- I found another media mention in the history of the file: it's an article from Novaya Gazeta newspaper: Диана Хачатрян. «Жулики и воры» пошли по рукам. Недовольные голосуют «креативным рублем» // Новая газета. 11.10.2011: "Одним из первых распространителей «вирусной рекламы» стала жительница Челябинска Ирина Шадрина, разместившая на своей странице в Facebook изображение «путинки», которую получила в качестве сдачи в магазине. Щедро растиражированную средствами массовой информации новость... " Apparently, the news on exactly this photograph of the banknote was, according to the reliable source, "profusely disseminated by media" which confirms educational value of the picture. --M5 (talk) 23:01, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep It is an educational image that can be used to describe the situation in russia. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 19:47, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Автор надписи - Ирина Шадрина? Нет. До этого был Центробанк России. Тоже нет. Автор - Дмитрий Навальный. Основной темой и частью изображения является надпись, а не водяные знаки и рисунок денег ЦБ РФ, и иллюстрирует изображение не статью о деньгах. Центробанк не давал разрешение на использование надписи на деньгах, более того, порча денег постолронними надписями запрещена; личного разрешения Навального на свободное использование слогана в ВП по ОТРС у вас нет, потому лицензия для основной части иллюстрации не соответствует. --Vizu (talk) 15:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- Слоганы не охраняются авторским правом. ("Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases"[10]). --M5 (talk) 19:25, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- Это афоризм. --Vizu (talk) 16:37, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- Называйте как угодно, но короткие фразы не охраняются независимо от жанра: "Copyright law does not protect names, titles, or short phrases or expressions. Even if a name, title, or short phrase is novel or distinctive or lends itself to a play on words, it cannot be protected by copyright." [11]. --M5 (talk) 12:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Small correction. Titles and names (especially fictional) of something (book, character and etc.) and short phrases can be subject for copyrights as itself (for example, see Russian Civil Code, Article 1259, point 7). But law deprecates usage of such protectable titles and names only for designation of other-thing, and we can freely use them when we talk about respective book, character and etc.
But this short phrase is trivial (people creation / folklore) in itself and uncopyrighted. Alex Spade (talk) 16:35, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Small correction. Titles and names (especially fictional) of something (book, character and etc.) and short phrases can be subject for copyrights as itself (for example, see Russian Civil Code, Article 1259, point 7). But law deprecates usage of such protectable titles and names only for designation of other-thing, and we can freely use them when we talk about respective book, character and etc.
- Называйте как угодно, но короткие фразы не охраняются независимо от жанра: "Copyright law does not protect names, titles, or short phrases or expressions. Even if a name, title, or short phrase is novel or distinctive or lends itself to a play on words, it cannot be protected by copyright." [11]. --M5 (talk) 12:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Это афоризм. --Vizu (talk) 16:37, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- Слоганы не охраняются авторским правом. ("Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases"[10]). --M5 (talk) 19:25, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. Derivative work by state symbolics. Under Russian laws it is impossible. Glavkom NN (talk) 15:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- The only "state symbol" on 100 rubles note is the Soviet coat of arms on the Bolshoy Theater building. And there is no law prohibiting writing on the banknotes or photographing them. If you know such law please provide the link. --M5 (talk) 19:25, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- Пожалуйста, обратите внимание на следующее: 1. Намеренная порча денежных знаков, в том числе политическими надписями, запрещена. 2. Происхождение данной надписи установить невозможно. Её и любую другую может написать кто угодно где угодно (хоть на островах Меланезии) и тут же разместить в ВП - такова Ваша логика. 3. Данное изображение претендует на статус авторитетного источника и используется (-лось) в Википедии как иллюстрация к "народным протестам" как доказательство. Это не источник и не доказательство. 4. Нарушено правило ВП:СОВР в отношении ныне живущего человека - в самом изображении и в названии изображения 100 рублей Путин-лидер партии жуликов и воров. 4. Нарушены авторские права в части надписи. 5. Нет ОТРС. 6. Лицензия Центробанка не соответствует изображению (его названию и основной части). 7. Нарушены авторские права в части названия изображения 100 рублей Путин-лидер партии жуликов и воров. 8. Название изображения 100 рублей Путин-лидер партии жуликов и воров является прямым откровенным политическим антиправительственным лозунгом. --Vizu (talk) 17:14, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- 1) The fact that the act of creating it was illegal is irrelevant. Putin has come to power partially by organising terrorist acts against people in Moscow in order to gain support for destruction of Chechen republic. That was illegal, but making a media depicting that is still legal. 2) Anonymously created images, for example graffiti, are welcome on Commons. 3) What happens on Wikipedia stays on Wikipedia. 4) Putin is in fact a leader of the party United Russia, making that statement is in no way outing him as such. 5) OTRS for anonymous work is not needed. 6) Central Bank of Russia holds no copyright on this due to de minimis and the fact that they did not contract anybody to write this slogan. 7) Slogans are not copyrightable. 8) The fact that the slogan criticises United Russia is of no consequence. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 05:14, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Agree, with some corrections: 1) Legality of depicted act is indeed irrelevant to the question of having such picture on Commons (see Category:Burning money), moreover pencil writing on banknotes is legal anyway 2) It's not just some "inscription of unknown origin" but the image was already distributed by Russian mass media 3) agree 4) agree, Putin is indeed the leader of the party known among it's critics as "Party of crooks and thieves", the image is not defamatory (especially compared to "Obamafascism" and "Bush wanted dead" examples above) and again the picture was already distributed by media 5) The photograph was attributed to Irina Shedrina by newsru.com and Novaya Gazeta, no additional confirmation needed 6) What is the "Central bank license" Vizu talks about? Russian money are not copyrighted per article 1259 of Civil Code regardless of filename of the work, Central bank has nothing to do with it 7); 8) agree. --M5 (talk) 12:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- 1) The fact that the act of creating it was illegal is irrelevant. Putin has come to power partially by organising terrorist acts against people in Moscow in order to gain support for destruction of Chechen republic. That was illegal, but making a media depicting that is still legal. 2) Anonymously created images, for example graffiti, are welcome on Commons. 3) What happens on Wikipedia stays on Wikipedia. 4) Putin is in fact a leader of the party United Russia, making that statement is in no way outing him as such. 5) OTRS for anonymous work is not needed. 6) Central Bank of Russia holds no copyright on this due to de minimis and the fact that they did not contract anybody to write this slogan. 7) Slogans are not copyrightable. 8) The fact that the slogan criticises United Russia is of no consequence. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 05:14, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Пожалуйста, обратите внимание на следующее: 1. Намеренная порча денежных знаков, в том числе политическими надписями, запрещена. 2. Происхождение данной надписи установить невозможно. Её и любую другую может написать кто угодно где угодно (хоть на островах Меланезии) и тут же разместить в ВП - такова Ваша логика. 3. Данное изображение претендует на статус авторитетного источника и используется (-лось) в Википедии как иллюстрация к "народным протестам" как доказательство. Это не источник и не доказательство. 4. Нарушено правило ВП:СОВР в отношении ныне живущего человека - в самом изображении и в названии изображения 100 рублей Путин-лидер партии жуликов и воров. 4. Нарушены авторские права в части надписи. 5. Нет ОТРС. 6. Лицензия Центробанка не соответствует изображению (его названию и основной части). 7. Нарушены авторские права в части названия изображения 100 рублей Путин-лидер партии жуликов и воров. 8. Название изображения 100 рублей Путин-лидер партии жуликов и воров является прямым откровенным политическим антиправительственным лозунгом. --Vizu (talk) 17:14, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
- The only "state symbol" on 100 rubles note is the Soviet coat of arms on the Bolshoy Theater building. And there is no law prohibiting writing on the banknotes or photographing them. If you know such law please provide the link. --M5 (talk) 19:25, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep (strong) from copyright POV. (1) There is no any administrative or criminal sanction for spoiling of banknotes in Russia (compare with US). The art installations/appliqués with both historical and/or present-day banknotes are enough represented in Russia. The spoiled banknote is not forged one, it's still legal instrument of payment - the respective instruction (for Russian banknotes) from Central Bank of Russia (CBR) is very very liberal (especially compared with similar instruction from Russian Post for stamps). This case is not first one, also it is known the similar cases with inscription "Кадаффи жив!" (en:Gaddafi is live!). The CBR representer had commented that CBR were blaming such action, but CBR recognized such spoiled banknotes as legal instrument of payment. In addition, on Commons and other sister projects the copyright law is dominant. If any Russian Law (not copyright/trademark or similar laws) deprecates spoiling/falsification of Russian state/official symbols, it is unimpotant for our purposes. Any (im)possible administrative or criminal sanction in this case will be addressed to spoiler of banknote, not to holder, photographer, editor, reader and etc. (2) And again about Russian Post and stamps. Yes, in Russian practice (а) the author (copyright holder) of stamp art (made especially for stamp or adopted) keeps all his/her copyrights for other usages of work than stamp usage; and (b) the stamp is official symbol only if it is stamp (see File:Nicaragua1 1913.jpg in en:Postage stamp) - country name (Russia/Rossija/Россия), denomination and some part of perforations (if it is specified) must be represented. So, many derivative works with Russian stamps are impossible (and it is known problem for Commons). But, banknotes are not stamps. In Russian/CBR practice the author of banknote art passed all his/her copyrights on it - so, any part of issued banknote (only issued banknotes are state symbols) is uncopyrighted. (3) The discussed additional words on banknotes are uncopyrighted/trivial in both US and Russian Law. Alex Spade (talk) 10:13, 18 December 2011 (UTC) Delete (weak) from encyclopaedic POV. Yes, such actions on banknotes ("Putin is leader of thief party!", "Gaddafi is live!" and some others) are known. But we have not any information about scale of such spoiling (absolute or relative number of cases)
and number of publications about these cases is small enough, so Notability is very/enough disputed. Moreover, we do not know (see Verifiability), what have we got here - wag the tail or wag the dog? It is enough possible that journalist has got only rumours and has not created news about specific/real fact (real banknote) but self-created fact for news. Alex Spade (talk) 10:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)- Sorry, but your "encyclopedic" and "notability" arguments are not relevant to this discussion since "Commons is not Wikipedia, and files uploaded here do not necessarily need to comply with the Neutral point of view and No original research requirements imposed by many of the Wikipedia sites [...] Examples of subject matter disputes that are not appropriate here include: [...] Photographs: “This is propaganda”", see COM:NPOV. Your "wag the dog" theory goes there too. Also what number of publications do you consider small? "Novaya Gazeta" claims that news about the banknotes were "profusely disseminated by media" [12] and there is indeed a great number of such publications, here is a sample: [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] (news.yandex.ru finds many more). Some publications use the same image while others are about totally independent cases, such as a story of member of regional parliament being denied lunch because of "just another case" of inscribed banknotes [27]. If Russian media finds stories about inscribed banknotes valuable enough to publish it, then the picture apparently has educational value (as in “providing knowledge; instructional or informative”, see COM:SCOPE). And the project scope conformance is sufficient condition for file to be Kept per Deletion policy. --M5 (talk) 14:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Repeat - weak or even very weak. Yes, Commons is not Wikipedia. But Commons is not repository for all and sundry (for anything). Ok, you have helped with additional sources/publication about problem of banknote spoiling in whole. But we still have question, how many cases were registered. Alex Spade (talk) 16:35, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Apparently a great many: Novaya article claims that "Russia is being covered with the wave of protest banknotes" now, and last year such banknotes were "endemic". But the real answer to the question "how many cases?" is "enough for media to turn attention", even if it was a single one. For example, the "Obamafascism" poster on picture above is probably a single copy for a single event, yet it is on Commons as it provides non-neutral but valuable information on political movement. The discussed banknote also provides valuable-though-non-neutral information on political movement and has additional value by being some interesting image widely circulated by media. Any of these two qualities would be enough to keep the file. --M5 (talk) 21:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Alex Spade) is right. This picture doesn't have encyclopedic sense. Any can draw on a note whatever and to place it in a rag paper. Glavkom NN (talk) 20:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Anyone can draw on a note indeed but not just any such note can get such prominent publicity as this one. --M5 (talk) 05:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Anybody can be elected a president, anybody can get a nobel prize, anybody can do anything. We should include nothing on commons? VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 05:35, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- Anyone can draw on a note indeed but not just any such note can get such prominent publicity as this one. --M5 (talk) 05:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Repeat - weak or even very weak. Yes, Commons is not Wikipedia. But Commons is not repository for all and sundry (for anything). Ok, you have helped with additional sources/publication about problem of banknote spoiling in whole. But we still have question, how many cases were registered. Alex Spade (talk) 16:35, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, but your "encyclopedic" and "notability" arguments are not relevant to this discussion since "Commons is not Wikipedia, and files uploaded here do not necessarily need to comply with the Neutral point of view and No original research requirements imposed by many of the Wikipedia sites [...] Examples of subject matter disputes that are not appropriate here include: [...] Photographs: “This is propaganda”", see COM:NPOV. Your "wag the dog" theory goes there too. Also what number of publications do you consider small? "Novaya Gazeta" claims that news about the banknotes were "profusely disseminated by media" [12] and there is indeed a great number of such publications, here is a sample: [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] (news.yandex.ru finds many more). Some publications use the same image while others are about totally independent cases, such as a story of member of regional parliament being denied lunch because of "just another case" of inscribed banknotes [27]. If Russian media finds stories about inscribed banknotes valuable enough to publish it, then the picture apparently has educational value (as in “providing knowledge; instructional or informative”, see COM:SCOPE). And the project scope conformance is sufficient condition for file to be Kept per Deletion policy. --M5 (talk) 14:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete of course. It`s private provocation of single person, with target to publicize his marginal views thru media or similar. For example, Wikipedia. Look: if I or you or anybody else write "Hitler to be ruler of the Universe!" on banknote, it`ll be deleted from Wikipedia at once. Nickpo (talk) 20:48, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- I believe that Novaya Gazeta and other reliable sources provided above are competent enough to distinguish some imaginary "provocation of single person" from newsworthy phenomenon. Moreover, question of supposed "provocation" is irrelevant to Commons per COM:NPOV. --M5 (talk) 21:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Прекрасная инсталляция спорного происхождения, значимость которой сомнительна. Другое дело, если бы данная надпись была бы инициирована, например, известной политической партией и была бы нанесена на большое число сторублевых купюр Delete Ювеналюс (talk) 17:59, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Выше в обсуждении приведены источники, что надписи на купюрах широко распространены, а представителя одной известной политической партии чуть не лишили обеда из-за таких купюр. --M5 (talk) 07:14, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete как оскорбление действующего, законного и признанного всеми членами ООН первого лица государства. Явное прямое нарушение ВП:НЕСВАЛКА и ВП:Современники. Также как прямую политическую агитацию через свободную энциклопедию. Прямое нарушение ВП:Не трибуна. Также как в принципе непроверяемую маргинальную надпись, которую может сделать кто угодно левой задней ногой на любую тему, пусть и политически пропагандируемую "Новой газетой" в своих целях. Явное нарушение ВП:МАРГ и ВП:Не бесплатный хостинг. --93.183.239.109 17:30, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Ссылки на ВП:ЧТОУГОДНО неприменимы к данной дискуссии, так как Коммонс — не Википедия. --M5 (talk) 12:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Ссылки применимы, т.к. Викисклад - составная часть вики и изображения Викисклада используются именно и напрямую в Википедии. --Vizu (talk) 16:44, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Пожалуйста, ознакомьтесь с COM:NPOV, там этот вопрос рассматривается подробно. --M5 (talk) 17:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Ссылки применимы, т.к. Викисклад - составная часть вики и изображения Викисклада используются именно и напрямую в Википедии. --Vizu (talk) 16:44, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Ссылки на ВП:ЧТОУГОДНО неприменимы к данной дискуссии, так как Коммонс — не Википедия. --M5 (talk) 12:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Out of Commons:Project scope: there are infinite number of things that could be written on banknote (fence, etc.). The same should be applied to similar things written about Russian opposition. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 17:58, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Did you read the discussion above? Here are some quotes for you: "Anyone can draw on a note indeed but not just any such note can get such prominent publicity as this one"; "If Russian media finds stories about inscribed banknotes valuable enough to publish it, then the picture apparently has educational value (as in “providing knowledge; instructional or informative”, see COM:SCOPE).". --M5 (talk) 12:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Маргинальная надпись, не имеющая никакой исторической, культурной, идеологической и прочей ценности. Выражение частной позиции неизвестного лица. --Sdobnikov A. (talk) 09:35, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Editors of Novaya Gazeta [28], newsru.com, [29] Bolshoy gorod [30] and dozens others (see above) found enough value in this banknote and inscription to publish it, which invalidates your claims of "marginality", "not having any value" and "unknown personal opinion". If mass media founds value in this picture than it is valuable for Commons. --M5 (talk) 12:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Добавление: существуют критерии минимальной художественной значимости загружаемых изображений. В рассматриваемом случае - косая надпись кривым почерком от руки, не представляющая ценности. --Vizu (talk) 16:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Вы ошибаетесь, критериев "художественной значимости" в Коммонс не существует. --M5 (talk) 17:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Delete Предоставье ссылки на авторитетные источники, где это изображение либо получило какую-то значимость для важного обсуждения, либо употреблялась во многих СМИ. Ни того, ни другого автор не предоставил в достаточной мере. Drimidiri (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- А ведь это изображение уже печатается в СМИ со ссылкой на Википедию. Неизвестного происхождения, нарисованное кем угодно левой задней ногой чисто пропагандистское политическое изображение становится... авторитетным благодаря размещению в Вики! Вот вам и политическая ура-трибуна по свержению Путина. --109.86.219.238 15:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: Per COM:SCOPE. Commons is a place for educational media content, which means providing knowledge; instructional or informative (see there). But it is questionable in which way an inscription on a banknote provides educational value - even if it is a part of the current political protest. A.Savin 19:16, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
copyvio - appears at least as early as 2007 here Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:18, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Ich habe nicht beachtet, dass die Veröffentlichung dieses Fotos das Urherberrecht des Architekten, Bildhauers etc. verletzen könnte (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panoramafreiheit#Innenaufnahmen). Eine Genehmigung des Architekten, Bildhauers etc liegt nicht vor. Ersuche daher um Löschung. Robert Wetzlmayr (talk) 08:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Copyrighted by Salvador Dalí, work at en:Dalí Theatre and Museum, not FoP, maybe fair use V.Riullop (talk) 08:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I am the uploader of the file. Now I notice that this image is clearly a rendering of a SketchUp model (please see http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=bf70c031232c1f7eccb7386b8d07a826&prevstart=0).
Please also see http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/3dwh/tos.html mostly 11. Content license from you. Jacopo Werther (talk) 11:45, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:20, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
triplon avec File:Sous l’égide de Mars - Armet à décor repoussé - 014.jpg Thesupermat (talk) 12:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:21, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Logo of a fraternity, seems out of scope. I also much doubt that this is 'own work' Andre Engels (talk) 12:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:21, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Unknown stamp copyrights. This site referes the year of 1969, which it is less than 60 years ago to be in the public domain. Commons:Derivative works, needs permission. Sdrtirs (talk) 17:16, 12 December 2011 (UTC) I dis agree because it is published in many public iranian website and there is no copy right for it.
- Unfortunately I agree. It is of unknown origin. It also lacks proper copy right citation. I vote for delete. 68.194.22.97 06:42, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
- Delete--Vituzzu (talk) 12:00, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Deleted. Denniss (talk) 21:51, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
This is a joke, the article deleted as a nonsense in the Hebrew Wiki. the title translation is: "Ben Zeev as beening photo by The Amos satellite moments before the killing before שנילי (talk) 17:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:22, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
no source for component images Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:29, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
"make sure the author never claimed authorship." (citation from copyright status indication template) - I cannot see that fact documented on the file page Saibo (Δ) 22:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - Saibo is a man on a mission. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:26, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, indeed. :-) --Saibo (Δ) 00:28, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
copyrighted - Not uploaded as part of the cooperation (those were bot-uploaded and 800px wide) → fake license template Saibo (Δ) 23:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - watermarked, faked template. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:30, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted. A.Savin 19:27, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Previous deletion decision was incorrect - the clear reasoning by Trycatch at Commons:Deletion_requests/File:"Appreciate_America._Come_On_Gang._All_Out_for_Uncle_Sam"_(Mickey_Mouse)"_-_NARA_-_513869.tif applies here too Ajbp (talk) 19:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Derivative work of a non-free file. Claritas (talk) 12:48, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- How difficult can it be to reference the correct pages… Commons:Deletion requests/File:"Appreciate America. I Get Exasperated at People Who Squawk" (Donald Duck) - NARA - 513868.tif Jeblad (talk) 14:20, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- I uploaded File:Donald Duck - Derivative of NARA 513868.svg to see how Commons would handle, and limit, a derivative work. It seems like you don't know, and that the discussion is far more hot-headed than usual; Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#COM:REVDEL, Commons:Deletion requests/File:Donald Duck - The Spirit of '43 (cropped version).jpg, etc. It was fun to se thoughtful comments on the original work, not so with some of the later remarks and edit wars. Better just close the discussion on this file, I hereby ask you to delete the file I made as a derivative work, a fanzine, to test the limits of a derivative work in this context. Enough of that… If the caracter as such is copyrighted, and it seems so to me, then the source for the file should also be deleted. This I would not request as I am not the uploader. I would although ask someone to please make a call to Disney corp to ask them to release a representative image with a well-defined license and clear limits on what derivative works can be made from it. Jeblad (talk) 10:15, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: Author requested it John Vandenberg (chat) 10:31, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
triplon avec File:Sous l’égide de Mars - Armet à décor repoussé - 014.jpg Thesupermat (talk) 12:23, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Ne serait-ce pas plus simple si tu demandais plutôt la suppression immédiate de ces téléversements récents puisque tu en es l'auteur ? -- Asclepias (talk) 21:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Uploaded twice PierreSelim (talk) 17:48, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- File:Khaleej ajam.jpg
- no copy right has been breached.THE OWNER OF THE COLLECTION OF MAP HAS GIVEN RIGHT for free publication. this is why the map had been published in iranian newspaper many times.
owner of the book has published it 2003 and distributed free by the persian magazin of Gostresh Sanaat.september2003. there is no copy right for the book.[31] the map had also republished in 3 iranian atlas in 2008- 2006.
Kept: DW of map that is PD. The file has clear educational value, Illustrate the map (it doesn't need to be in used to be in scope). PierreSelim (talk) 06:08, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
"make sure the author never claimed authorship" (citation from copyright status indication template) - I cannot see that fact documented on the file page Saibo (Δ) 22:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - Saibo is pushing to delete basically all old photos of which the author is unknown. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:20, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete per my comments in the related DRs. Parsecboy (talk) 21:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: May be PD in EU due to being anonymously published (well no proof of that either), however it's not PD in the US due to the URAA: it was still copyrighted at the time of the URAA. PierreSelim (talk) 06:18, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
"Reasonable evidence must be presented that the author's name (e.g., the original photographer, portrait painter) was not published with a claim of copyright in conjunction with the image within 70 years of its original publication" (citation from copyright status indication template) - I cannot see that fact documented on the file page Saibo (Δ) 22:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep source link goes to the newspaper where it was published in 1941, without credits. But no amount of sourcing will ever satisfy Saibo. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:23, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - All images on Commons must be PD in the country of origin and the United States; this photo is presumably a work for hire, and under EU copyright law, would have entered the public domain last year. However, the URAA would have renewed the copyright in 1996 in the US; the URAA adds 95 years from the date of publication, which in this case means this photo will not be PD in the US until 2036. You are more than welcome to upload it again then. Parsecboy (talk) 21:30, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: May be PD in EU due to being anonymously published, however it's not PD in the US due to the URAA: it was still copyrighted at the time of the URAA. PierreSelim (talk) 06:14, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
"Reasonable evidence must be presented that the author's name (e.g., the original photographer, portrait painter) was not published with a claim of copyright in conjunction with the image within 70 years of its original publication" (citation from copyright status indication template) - I cannot see that fact documented on the file page Saibo (Δ) 22:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep source link goes to the newspaper where it was published in 1941, without credits. But no amount of sourcing will ever satisfy Saibo. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:23, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete per this. Parsecboy (talk) 21:31, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: May be PD in EU due to being anonymously published, however it's not PD in the US due to the URAA: it was still copyrighted at the time of the URAA. PierreSelim (talk) 06:15, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
let me quote the bold text from the copyright status indication template: "This template must not be used on its own." It is.
Furthermore it is claimed by the uploader: "The copyright to this work was owned by the federal authorities of the former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia". However the mentioned author is provided as "unknown". Well... so where is the proof that the copyright was owned by xyz as claimed? --Saibo (Δ) 23:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Note: the license template was like this also on upload date: history. --Saibo (Δ) 01:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete The picture is claimed to be from 1944 but the source page does not list an author of date; plus the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was not created until 1945 so how can a country that does not exist claim to be an author of the image. There is a lot of unknowns with this image. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 01:42, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Per Zscout370 PierreSelim (talk) 06:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
It seems a video screenshot. Probably non-free. Sdrtirs (talk) 17:46, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Да, это скриншот. Но я же сам его сфотографировал при помощи программы. А как иначе мне найти фотографию Серачини? Сидарт (talk) 17:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Я полгода не пользовался Викимедиа и Википедия, поэтому каких-то нюансов не учесть. Извините, если так. Сидарт (talk) 18:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Just that Commons doesn't allow Fair use and all files must be previous freely licenced by the copyright holder. You can read Commons:Project scope, Commons:Derivative works and Commons:Fair use. Regards, Sdrtirs (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Что мне сделать? Сидарт (talk) 19:25, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- А здесь уже есть File:Seracini.JPG. Вот его и используйте. Загружать несвободные фото живых людей нельзя ни сюда, ни на википедию. NVO (talk) 11:36, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Deleted: Non-free video screenshots. Jafeluv (talk) 10:39, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
i just uploaded this, but i just noticed that the user's uploads at en.wiki are variously credited to Mark F. Peterson, Mary Cross, Erick Paiva Nouchi (see uploads) - not clear which of these, if any, the uploader is Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:46, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- This also applies to:
- File:Jam6.jpg
- File:Harry Packer Mansion.JPG
- File:Peter Constantine Jan-2009 2.png
- File:Peter-Constantine-reading.png
- File:Hotel Switzerland.JPG
- File:Downtown Jim Thorpe.JPG
- File:JFK1.jpg (this is one by Erick)
- File:Deli-sign.jpg
Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Invalidly licensed. See also w:Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2011 December 12#File:Narita.jpg, which closed as delete all. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 05:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
- Delete support uploader's request for deletion/rationale Werieth (talk) 03:42, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: Dubious attribution -> invalidly licensed. Léna (talk) 08:14, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
"make sure the author never claimed authorship." (citation from copyright status indication template) - I cannot see that fact documented on the file page Saibo (Δ) 22:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fine, thanks - at least a info now why it may be assumed that the author is unknown. Don't they just forget to mention the name in some collections? And: how is that satisfied? "make sure the author never claimed authorship." --Saibo (Δ) 13:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is reasonable evidence because the photograph is kept at the National and University Library of Slovenia and the Digital Library of Slovenia (maintained by the National and University Library of Slovenia) doesn't state the author - therefore it is safe to say the author is unknown. --Sporti (talk) 08:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- And how do they know that the author never claimed authorship? From where do they got the image? --Saibo (Δ) 13:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is reasonable evidence because the photograph is kept at the National and University Library of Slovenia and the Digital Library of Slovenia (maintained by the National and University Library of Slovenia) doesn't state the author - therefore it is safe to say the author is unknown. --Sporti (talk) 08:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fine, thanks - at least a info now why it may be assumed that the author is unknown. Don't they just forget to mention the name in some collections? And: how is that satisfied? "make sure the author never claimed authorship." --Saibo (Δ) 13:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment this is not the person it should be (composer Osterc), this is slovenian violinist Igor Ozim...[32] ; redirect or delete! Ziga (talk) 12:38, 16 January 2012 (UTC):
- Delete - as this is actually Igor Ozim (born 1931), it has to be from 1960s or 1970s and is not PD. --Sporti (talk) 13:22, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- Comment Ziga and Sporti, what source(s) do you have pointing to Igor Ozim as the subject of this photo? — Jeff G. ツ 16:15, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
- Comment as one can see, this image-index-error has done quite some "damage", e.g. other wikis, Youtube clip etc. For one, I know the violinist, though I have no pics of him from his younger age (similar to our image here, but you can compare it to image, made 40 years later and still recognize same person; nevertheless Osterc was bald, and he would be quite happy to look like Ozim :) Ziga (talk) 06:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, Osterc was bald here. Did the Slovenian library make an error? The photo does not look ancient. Delete /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:22, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- "Did the Slovenian library make an error?" I hope you do come a step down from your opinion (see top of this page) that libraries do everything careful and if they mention no author it is safe to assume that no one knows the author. ;-) Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 14:32, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
- Among reasonable people, one unrelated error would not influence this assumption significantly. — Yerpo Eh? 14:34, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
- I see, thanks for the explanation. ;-) --Saibo (Δ) 23:09, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- Among reasonable people, one unrelated error would not influence this assumption significantly. — Yerpo Eh? 14:34, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
- They will have to change image, I wrote them an email. Perhaps it is going to take a while, due to public office. :) Ziga (talk) 09:27, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- Comment as I have forseen, it will take time to correct an error in a national institution:) so far I recieved no reply; anyway you can see the same person Igor Ozim (which is not S. Osterc) in the same library only by searching for string "igor ozim": [33]. So if you compare results of this sarch to the image, titled as S. Osterc, you will see no diference. National institutions are not always reliable. That's all. Ziga (talk) 16:53, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Ok, image is no longer attributed to wrong person. Žiga (talk) 16:22, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - Photo from the 1960s, still under copyright in the EU and the US. Parsecboy (talk) 21:35, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Delete still under copyright Werieth (talk) 03:50, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: Despite being (probably) anonymously published, the pictures doesn't qualify for {{Anonymous-EU}} because it's not 70 years old PierreSelim (talk) 22:05, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
and other uploads by Marianolamboas (talk · contribs). Unlikely to be own work: small/inconsistent resolutions, missing EXIF. EugeneZelenko (talk) 16:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, but matias is my brother, some of the files are scanned from photos that my own father (and olders brothers, we are 7 brothers) took a long time ago. Thanks! Marianolamboas
- Keep - the problem can easily be fixed, I think. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Get a permission from your father and brothers next time. See also Commons:Deletion requests/Marianolamboas. Thuresson (talk) 09:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 09:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
missing source, missing details for given license, "from personal collection" of a disruptive and blocked user Polarlys (talk) 23:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - this photo was used on stamps in 1943 and 1944, see http://placomuso.free.fr/croatie/Croatie40.htm - {{PD-Croatia}}. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep I don't think this is "from personal collection", however this portrait is well-known. And as Pieter said this image was also used for stamps of Nazavisna Država Hrvatska (1941-1945). [34], [35]. Takabeg (talk) 00:05, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Do we know the following?
- a) it is a work of known authorship and the author died before January 1st, 1949 –
Not done – if the author is known and died after 1949, the file can’t be used as PD-Croatia - b) it is an anonymous work and it was published before January 1st, 1949 – Not done – even if the work was published as a stamp before 1949, the file can’t be used if this is not an anonymous work
Is the following provided?
- To the uploader: Please provide the authorship and publication details. Not done – of course not, since trolls like „AP1929“ always refer to their “archives” or “personal collections”. --Polarlys (talk) 01:15, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. This is obvious case b) - an anonymous work and it was published before January 1st, 1949 – The photo was obviously taken by official photographer (somebody that every head of a state has-person that is the author but not the copyright holder of the photo so it is irrelevant who he/she is or whether was dead on January 1st, 1949 ) for official purposes (as it can be seen from this stylish pose of the photographed person). This is a kind of photo usually made and sold/given through propaganda (again-which every had of a state has! ). The original uploader (AP1929) is obviously a fan of Ante Pavelić, so he scanned it or digitalized it in some way. A clear
{{PD-Croatia}}case. So, Polarlys, your opinion about AP1929 without strong evidence is not relevant for this issue.Quahadi Añtó 13:34, 13 December 2011 (UTC)- Your fiction about 'official photographers' is wrong. The author is a natural person, copyright in a work belongs to its author by the mere act of creation of the work. Read the law of your country and please forget your explanation as quickly as you invented it. We have enough people on Commons who claim some 'governments' or some 'officials' beeing authors of works while in fact their claim is not supported by the law or not covered by any evidence of employment or transfer of intelectual property rights. On Commons such claims of 'official photographer' are rather used as bad excuses for "i have no idea who the author is and I did nothing to find out" or "i dont care". --Martin H. (talk) 18:51, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Would you please stop with that meaningless accusations?? ( 'fiction' , 'invented theory' ..)It is clear that this photo was published before January 1st, 1949 . Author is unknown so far (you provided zero (0) evidence that contradicts to that!) so this is
{{PD-Croatia}}case. Even if the photo was not made by official photographer. Are you trying to say that Pavelić did not have own photos and Croatian mail had to steal it from the independent photographer?? Smth hard to believe, right?? Quahadi Añtó 06:46, 14 December 2011 (UTC)- I said nothing regarding publication or not, unknown or not. I just tried to explain to you that your phrase "obviously taken by official photographer" is obviously meaningless. --Martin H. (talk) 16:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Quahadi, you are a friendly person, aren’t you? So please stay calm and don’t attack other users. I can easily open up a magazine at a store, look into a book or just use an image search on the internet: Often I will find no name next to a photo. But that doesn’t make this work an anonymous work, because an anonymous work is a work where nobody claimed authorship and no authorship can be established with some research. The one who claims a work to be an anonymous one is the person that has to provide evidence. --Polarlys (talk) 20:10, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- I attack nobody. I am the one who was attacked.
- Would you please stop with that meaningless accusations?? ( 'fiction' , 'invented theory' ..)It is clear that this photo was published before January 1st, 1949 . Author is unknown so far (you provided zero (0) evidence that contradicts to that!) so this is
- Your fiction about 'official photographers' is wrong. The author is a natural person, copyright in a work belongs to its author by the mere act of creation of the work. Read the law of your country and please forget your explanation as quickly as you invented it. We have enough people on Commons who claim some 'governments' or some 'officials' beeing authors of works while in fact their claim is not supported by the law or not covered by any evidence of employment or transfer of intelectual property rights. On Commons such claims of 'official photographer' are rather used as bad excuses for "i have no idea who the author is and I did nothing to find out" or "i dont care". --Martin H. (talk) 18:51, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
| “ | The one who claims a work to be an anonymous one is the person that has to provide evidence. | ” |
Excuse me???? Somebody has to prove that other person (unknown who) is anonymous?? Quahadi Añtó 19:31, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Au contriare ! you have to prove that the photographer (and possible copyright holder! ) is still live. But, off course you can not do that because the person is anonymous!Quahadi Añtó 19:34, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- As requested by the template: “Always mention where the image comes from, as far as possible, and make sure the author never claimed authorship.” What someone who wants to keep the photo could do: Provide a proper source (archive, book, not some random web search result). Look into publications on Pavelić where this image is reproduced, look for information on the author there. Ask a local archive about the photo. --Polarlys (talk) 13:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- That is Commons fundamentalism. In the real world, this is a free photo. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:40, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- We tell the world This is a free photo, although we don’t know anything about it. --Polarlys (talk) 13:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- We know that it was published in 1943 (perhaps even earlier!) and author is unknown.Quahadi Añtó 10:55, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Neutral No opinion. Dark Attsios (talk) 16:08, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
as there is no evidence of copyright vilation I suggest this DR to be closed.Quahadi Añtó 08:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - no indication this photo is PD in the US; Commons policy requires all images to be PD in the country of origin and the United States, where the servers are physically located. Even assuming for the sake of argument that this photo's author died before the 1949 cut-off, its copyright expired would have expired in 1999, which means that it would have been restored by the URAA in the United States. The URAA adds 95 years from the date of publication, which means some time circa 2038, you can re-upload this photo to Commons. Parsecboy (talk) 21:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- 'no indication this photo is PD in the US- there is not indication that US copyright laws are here applied.Quahadi Añtó 07:37, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- COM:L „Wikimedia Commons accepts only media that are explicitly freely licensed, or that are in the public domain in at least the United States and in the source country of the work.“ --Polarlys (talk) 15:24, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you , Polarlys! FYI , we can read and understand English! and we have proven that this photo is {{PD-Croatia}} case.Quahadi Añtó 16:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Explain then who took the picture, and provide a pre-1949 death date for him or her. Failing that, provide a pre-1946 date of publication with an explicitly anonymous credit. Not knowing the author now is not the same thing as having been published anonymously. Parsecboy (talk) 16:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Nobody can explain who took picture because it is anonymous. That is the definition of word anonymous. I feel like a parrot repeating this all the time. This photo was published in 1943 (as Pieter wrote above) or even before.Quahadi Añtó 07:47, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- Nobody can explain who took the picture because nobody provided a source for this file. --Polarlys (talk) 17:08, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- Nobody provided source about original photographes because it is unknown ( anonymous). Can you prove that the photographes is some John Smith?? no, off course not. You can't even prove that you are Polarlys and not somebody who uses the same Username.Quahadi Añtó 07:17, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
- You seem to not understand my point. I'll try to rephrase it. That we, here in 2012, do not know who took the photo because it's some 70 years old does not' mean the same thing as the photo having been published anonymously. In all likelihood, this image was published with credit to the author. That no one has spent the time to figure it out does not mean it doesn't exist. Parsecboy (talk) 01:54, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- "image was published with credit to the author" Yes, the image was published. Yes, there was an author-the person that clicked the button on a camera. But that person obviously is not copyright holder as they have transferred it to Independents State of Croatia in 1943. (or even before). The author is anonymous or dead, otherwise they would claim their rights long time ago or simply is not credited.Quahadi Añtó 05:53, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- I do not think you understand copyright law. The creator holds ownership over the image simply by the virtue of creating it. That you or I do not know his or her name does not mean s/he no longer holds copyright. They also do not need to come here to claim copyright. Copyright also does not stop when the author dies. Do you have any proof that the creator of this image transferred their rights to this photograph to the government of Croatia? If not, we have to assume that the creator of the photo still retains copyright. Let me say this again, so perhaps you will understand: a photo published explicitly as "anonymous" is one thing. Not knowing the author of a 70-year old photo is another thing. They are not the same thing. If you think they are, you are wrong, plain and simple.
- Perhaps more importantly, no one has explained how this image is PD in the United States. As I said above, all images on Commons have to be PD in the country of origin and the US, since Wikimedia's servers are located here. Parsecboy (talk) 11:37, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- What do you want me to do?? bring certificate from court that person is anonymous???Quahadi Añtó 05:45, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- If you can do that, yes. For the image to be legally considered an anonymous work, the photo must have been originally published with an anonymous credit. If you can find the first publication of the image, and it is credited anonymously, then we're fine. Otherwise, since we cannot prove the image was published anonymously, we can't use it. We host images solely by what we can prove, not what we think or wish was true. Parsecboy (talk) 11:42, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- You did not read sarcasm in my last message?? Do YOU have a court certificate for these imagesQuahadi Añtó 17:49, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- No, I got the sarcasm, I just ignored it. I don't need a court certificate for those images, because they are either derivatives of clearly acceptable images, or they have pre-1923 dates of publication, which renders them PD in the US. I'm glad to see you've accepted the fact that your line of argument is invalid, and have thus turned to attacking me as a means to prove your case. Now that we've reached this point, would you care to change your !vote to "Delete"? Parsecboy (talk) 17:36, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
- Nobody provided source about original photographes because it is unknown ( anonymous). Can you prove that the photographes is some John Smith?? no, off course not. You can't even prove that you are Polarlys and not somebody who uses the same Username.Quahadi Añtó 07:17, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
- Nobody can explain who took the picture because nobody provided a source for this file. --Polarlys (talk) 17:08, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you , Polarlys! FYI , we can read and understand English! and we have proven that this photo is {{PD-Croatia}} case.Quahadi Añtó 16:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- COM:L „Wikimedia Commons accepts only media that are explicitly freely licensed, or that are in the public domain in at least the United States and in the source country of the work.“ --Polarlys (talk) 15:24, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't need a court certificate for those images, because they are either derivatives of clearly acceptable images
Really? Why should we thrust you? What makes you more thrustworthy than AP1929?
I'm glad to see you've accepted the fact that your line of argument is invalid
you have completely misunderstood my last message! I do not consider my arguments as "invalid" .
have thus turned to attacking me
Mirror , oh , mirror...
FYI, there is no such as sacred cow! AP1929 is not sacred cow and neither YOU are. Whole this DR is based on prejudice towards AP1929 as editor. (" he was doing crap on en.wiki so this must be the same thing" ). Which is a heavy violation of "assume good faith" principle. my "bad" assumption here is no worse than yours. Pot calling the kettle black Quahadi Añtó 18:45, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
- Up till now, you have proved you have no understanding of copyright law, now it seems clear you do not know how to read. Let me try again, perhaps if I bold it, you'll get it. The images I upload are either derivatives of already acceptably licensed images or are published before 1923, which means they are automatically in the public domain in the US.
- You apparently missed the point, so I'll spell it out: you stopped arguing your line of reasoning, because apparently you lost faith in it. Ad hominems are the last result of the defeated.
- I could care less about AP1929; I have had no interaction with him/her, and have no prejudice. What I DO have is a working understanding of copyright law, which has led me to the obvious conclusion I have repeatedly yet unsuccessfully tried to hammer into your head. Parsecboy (talk) 21:48, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
You keep accusing me for misunderstanidng copyright law , lack of reading skills and you are saying I am attacking you? This is so tragical! (I wish it was funny! ) I (Takabeg and Pieter Kuiper as well ) have written at the beginning that this image is {{PD-Croatia}} case.Quahadi Añtó 10:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
- Answer me a simple question: Have Takabeg or Pieter Kuiper (or anyone else) provided any evidence that this image is PD in the US? Parsecboy (talk) 20:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
- A quick simple answer: one image that is in PD in certain country can not be re-copyrighted in another. Not just images from Croatia but all over the world. Or US laws are over?? So , this photo, as well as these photos [36] [37] is PD.Quahadi Añtó 07:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- Again, you should actually try to learn about copyright law before you start arguing about it, because that is exactly what the URAA did. There are plenty of images that are public domain in the country of origin now, but were not when the URAA came into effect in 1996, and so had their copyrights extended in the US (for example, many of Willy Stöwer's paintings that were painted after 1923 cannot be hosted on Commons because they were still copyrighted in 1996, even though they are currently PD in Germany). Parsecboy (talk) 11:56, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- Oh ,really ??
- Again, you should actually try to learn about copyright law before you start arguing about it, because that is exactly what the URAA did. There are plenty of images that are public domain in the country of origin now, but were not when the URAA came into effect in 1996, and so had their copyrights extended in the US (for example, many of Willy Stöwer's paintings that were painted after 1923 cannot be hosted on Commons because they were still copyrighted in 1996, even though they are currently PD in Germany). Parsecboy (talk) 11:56, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- A quick simple answer: one image that is in PD in certain country can not be re-copyrighted in another. Not just images from Croatia but all over the world. Or US laws are over?? So , this photo, as well as these photos [36] [37] is PD.Quahadi Añtó 07:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
There are tons of images (btw, do you know what ton means?? ) that are not published in the USA. Neither before 1996 or after or ever. as these ones. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Willy_St%C3%B6wer as vast majority of these ones: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Painters_from_Germany
Besides that , how in the world we can check so, these ridiculos criteria will maked them deleted. Are you intending to start mass DR?
This photo is one tiny example.
As Pieter Kuiper said "That is Commons fundamentalism. In the real world, this is a free photo. " search for Ante Pavelić"
- http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441467&ct=11577565
- http://domovina.110mb.com/zivotopisi/pavelic-ante.htm
- http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_m47RlRiYoAg/S37vm25cWYI/AAAAAAAAFs8/waEdNv-kIlU/s400/Pavelic+bez+maske1.jpg
Quahadi Añtó 18:26, 1 June 2012 (UTC) Quahadi Añtó 18:26, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- Since you apparently cannot read, let me try again in boldface: Willy Stower's paintings done after 1923 are not PD in the US. Do you understand why that year is significant?
- Unfortunately for Pieter and you, the real world has lawsuits, and we cannot in good conscience allow reusers of Wikimedia content to be placed in legal jeopardy because we told them it's "free". If you have a problem with that, then you should be spending your time on something else, because you clearly are not suited to a free-content project. Parsecboy (talk) 18:39, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, right. :roll:Republic of Croatia will suit wikimedia foundation for uloading image that is PD inside Republic of Croatia?? or Anonymous author will suit Republic of Croatia ?? or what?? :-j
I suggest you to keep focused on Iraq and Afghanistan wars, not this. This is not a battlefield!Quahadi Añtó 09:49, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not talking about Wikimedia being sued, I'm talking about end users who take Wikimedia content and use it elsewhere. Numerous people have been sued for using material we said was free content, which turned out to not be the case. There's a discussion about it related to this image everyone was up in arms about earlier this year, though I can't be bothered to find it.
- As much fun as this discussion is, not you or anyone else have given a good reason why this image is in the public domain in the United States, which is a fundamental requirement on Commons. Parsecboy (talk) 11:46, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
and here we go on with this theater of the absurd (see what is absurdity and absurdity ) To review the facts in again:
- This is photo anonymous photographer probably from Independent State of Croatia . That country was dissolved in 1945 and has no legal successors. Their successors might be either Croatia either Bosnia and Herzegovina. I am familiar about its copyright laws but it was published before January 1st, 1949 that makes it {{PD-Croatia}} . NDH territory was later in Yugoslavia etc. The author is unknown (very probably daed for a long time)
- On the other hand, what is not discussed yet... why is by default taken as granted that AP1929 is not the owner of photo?. Misstrust or what?Quahadi Añtó 15:03, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- For the love of all that's holy, not knowing the author now is not the same thing as being published anonymously. They are not the same thing. Why can you not understand that distinction? Oh, right.
- Being PD in Croatia is only half the question. You have yet to even address the copyright status of the photo in the US (apart from questioning why it matters). Oh, right.
- Where is AP1929's proof that the creator of the image legally granted him or her all rights to the image? Parsecboy (talk) 16:47, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- Let me take a different tack: to prove that the image was published anonymously, you have to find the first publication (perhaps in a newspaper or book), with an explicit "anonymous" credit. Simply ot knowing the author's name 70 years after the photo was taken (or not wanting to spend the time figuring it out, which is what is going on here) does not cut it. Otherwise, we can upload any photo we want if we have a plausible argument that you or I do not know who took it, which is the definition of absurdity. Parsecboy (talk) 16:51, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- All this DR is based on argument "Ad hominem"!Quahadi Añtó 16:14, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
and your comments are nothing more than Pot calling the kettle black. Quit playing dr. Freud.Quahadi Añtó 18:28, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- No, this DR is based on the very reasonable requirement for a source to prove an image is suitably licensed. And I'm not psychoanalyzing anyone, I've been unsuccessfully trying to get you to understand basic concepts in copyright law. I now see that is a futile endeavor. Parsecboy (talk) 00:25, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am so flattered by efforts of Your Holyness to educate me. :roll: Quahadi Añtó 08:23, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- Deleted. Requirements in the template has not been met: "To the uploader: Please provide the authorship and publication details." Thuresson (talk) 13:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 13:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
template's requirements not obeyed: "To use this template, the image must meet both of the following two conditions: published over 70 years ago, and the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication. " Saibo (Δ) 01:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep Subject and year indicated on the photo, but photographer not disclsed; and please ignore that robot. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:53, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi, vk robot, I did not say it isn't. Please fulfill the second requirement. --Saibo (Δ) 04:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep per Pieter Ipos (talk) 13:42, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
- This is no vote. Please comment on the issues I made clear in my initial statement. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 22:16, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- Your statement indicates that you did not even look at the photo; you only copied your identical text in several unrelated images, like a bot. Ipos agreement with my response shows that he actually looked at the photo. And his comment is more informativ than all these admin deletions where no reason is given at all. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:36, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I did copy my deletion reason because all images have the same issue. What is your problem with this?
Yes the image contains some info in the lower right corner (I cannot read them) - fine. But why does this mean that "the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication"? Yes, the name maybe (if you can read correctly) wasn't mentioned on the front side of the photo. What about the back side? What about a accompanying letter, whatever? Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 01:36, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I did copy my deletion reason because all images have the same issue. What is your problem with this?
- Your statement indicates that you did not even look at the photo; you only copied your identical text in several unrelated images, like a bot. Ipos agreement with my response shows that he actually looked at the photo. And his comment is more informativ than all these admin deletions where no reason is given at all. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:36, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
- This is no vote. Please comment on the issues I made clear in my initial statement. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 22:16, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Kept. Jcb (talk) 13:53, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
No reason for last close given. Saibo (Δ) 22:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- While I recognize that "published anonymously" and "we don't know the photographer's name" are two very different things, it seems to me that Saibo's reading of this template requires the impossible burden of proving a negative -- that the image was in fact published anonymously and that the author never disclosed his authorship.
- Perhaps the template needs re-wording, or should be removed from our arsenal, because as it is, I think the only legitimate use for it is on images that were clearly marked as "anonymous" on first publication. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 12:13, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, the template is usable only on a tiny fraction of the images which currently use it. Also see my comment here. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 15:00, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - do not give in to Jim and Saibo who want to deleta basically all old photos of which the photographer is unknown. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:11, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Pieter, you misrepresent me in two ways. First, although I believe that this particular template is not applicable here, I offered no opinion on this image. Second, I also have no particular desire to delete any image -- Commons is richer for every image we keep. I do, however, require that we obey the law and Commons policy on every image -- which means that sometimes we must delete an image simply because we do not have enough information. You have a tendency to conflate "anonymous" with "unknown to Commons". As you certainly know they are not the same. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 22:25, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- No misrepresentation, as you wrote that you want to delete the template. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:32, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Pieter, you misrepresent me in two ways. First, although I believe that this particular template is not applicable here, I offered no opinion on this image. Second, I also have no particular desire to delete any image -- Commons is richer for every image we keep. I do, however, require that we obey the law and Commons policy on every image -- which means that sometimes we must delete an image simply because we do not have enough information. You have a tendency to conflate "anonymous" with "unknown to Commons". As you certainly know they are not the same. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 22:25, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - not knowing the photographer's name is not the same thing as the image having been published anonymously. If you had a contemporary source, it would be one thing, but some random website is not sufficient to demonstrate an anonymous publication. Parsecboy (talk) 21:15, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Deleted. It has not been shown that the photographer published this anonymously, that a serious attempt has been made to find the photographer or that such a search would be futile. From previous discussion: "As in case of other templates, its usage requires proper documentation and where this is missing or unsatisfactory, the individual files can be submitted for deletion." Thuresson (talk) 12:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 12:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
template's requirements not obeyed: "To use this template, the image must meet both of the following two conditions: published over 70 years ago, and the original author's actual identity was not publicly disclosed in connection with this image within 70 years following its publication. " Saibo (Δ) 01:13, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep WWI photo; ignore the bot. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:56, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi, vk robot, how should this fulfill the second requirement? --Saibo (Δ) 04:19, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keepseems to be, that the original author's actual identity is unknown as in most cases concerning photos from WWI. made in the field! --Steinbeisser (talk) 06:28, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
- Hi, vk robot, how should this fulfill the second requirement? --Saibo (Δ) 04:19, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep per Steinbeisser Ipos (talk) 16:03, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Kept: {{PD-EU-no author disclosure}} seems to apply. – Adrignola talk 00:50, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
template's conditions still not fulfilled (see last DR above). The picture was only published on some WW1 fan page (or what is it). What do they know about the photo? Would they surely know the author if somebody (from the "public") know him? Was this photo never published in a book? Why should the doubtful internet fanpage be enough to strip the photographer from his 70 years pma copyright? Saibo (Δ) 05:36, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - repeating DRs like this is just disruptive. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 16:09, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- Delete, unless a reference to the 1917 publication of this photo is given for verification whether it is published with or without author name. This will not be reasonable research to verify that the authorship was never disclosed, but it is a startingpoint at least. At the moment we have no information on nothing. --Martin H. (talk) 18:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Kept - per previous DR - Jcb (talk) 13:57, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
What is going on here? NO replies to my questions - no nothing. --Saibo (Δ) 01:16, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
- I agree, the file description explains: "because it was published more than 70 years ago without a public claim of authorship", this explanation must bear up against the question: Where was it published more than 70 years ago without a public claim if authorship? If the file description cant answer this question then the explanation is incorrect and cant be used. The file not has a valid copyright tag. --Martin H. (talk) 09:42, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
- I could open a third DR... awesome processes here. --Saibo (Δ) 17:48, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Same as last DR. Saibo (Δ) 22:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - and block Saibo if he does nominate this a fourth time. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:17, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment I see a 'vote' saying "ignore it", I see an opinion saying that the author is unknown because it is unknown in "most" cases, I see a closure saying "{{PD-EU-no author disclosure}} seems to apply"... Sorry, but thats not arguments. The file description says that the file "was published more than 70 years ago without a public claim of authorship". Can we confirm this with a source? Where was it published? If this cant be answered the file should be removed from the project because of unclear copyright status. Delete. And because of unclear information. It appears to me that the "unknown" author is not added to the file description because various sources confirm or suggest it, but written there for the only purpose to upload something to Wikimedia Commons. That is manipulation of historic facts for a very strange reason. --Martin H. (talk) 23:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep --Nevit Dilmen (talk) 09:23, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- DRs are no vote - in order to give your vote a bit of usefulness please comment on the issue and reply to the claims of the contrary of your opinion. --Saibo (Δ) 15:15, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence presented that the photo was published prior to 1942. This looks like a private photo and could be unpublished before it appeared on the web.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:09, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete - As I said in a related DR, not knowing the author's name is not the same being published anonymously. Also per Nigel. Parsecboy (talk) 21:17, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Deleted. It has not been shown that the photographer published this anonymously, that a serious attempt has been made to find the photographer or that such a search would be futile. From previous discussion: "As in case of other templates, its usage requires proper documentation and where this is missing or unsatisfactory, the individual files can be submitted for deletion." Thuresson (talk) 12:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 12:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Apparently flag and coat of arms of brazilian municipality founded in 1995, failing {{PD-BrazilGov}}. No trivial text logo, failing {{PD-textlogo}}. Unlikely to be own work, grabbed from internet via (example from 11.2009) http://180graus.com/belem-do-piaui/camara-aprova-homenagem-a-ex-vereadores-261237.html. Obs.: If I'm misinterpreting the case, pls see also Commons:Deletion requests/File:Cópia de brasão iTAIPULÂNDIA.jpg + Commons:Deletion requests/File:Brasao-slo.jpg + Commons:Deletion requests/File:Foto simbolos brasao.jpg Gunnex (talk) 23:05, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Werieth (talk) 13:20, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Non-credible own work claim for a copyrighted work. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 10:35, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 17:55, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Files uploaded by JayShaw_TT (talk · contribs)
[edit]Identified as non-sensical (w:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fundamental model).
- File:Fold-dyad-TT.png
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- File:Tree of life MDS TT.png
- File:Intro-multispace.png
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- File:Vesica piscis square roots.png
- File:E - PHI - PI Vesica piscis.png
—Ruud 20:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Since when has original research been a deletion issue for Commons? This isn't Wikipedia ya know! --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Note the qualifier "non-sensical". Or do you think it's within Commons' mission of "making available public domain and freely-licensed educational media content" (emphasis mine) to mislead people into believing that it's possible to construct a right-angled triangle with sides of e, π and φ?
- —Ruud 22:31, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- And that wonderful display of gobbledy-gook changes what? Sometimes it's just as important to know what isn't correct, and knowing what pi is does not an education make. Education takes many different forms. As it happens none of those files make any sense to me at all, yet strangely I still know that "original research" isn't a deletion criteria for commons, who knew eh? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Dear Fred, while it greatly saddens me that the Pythagorean theorem hasn't been a part of your education, please don't focus on the "original research" part here (I've even removed this term from my rationale above). The important part here is that the images are non-sensical, ergo non-educational. —Ruud 00:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- So put them in a "non-sensical" category. And yes I know Pythagorus, what I don't know is mathematical notation. I'm an illustrator, not a mathematician. What I do know is that knowing how not to do something is also educational. I see no harm in these images. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 08:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- No, because "non-sensical" images not in the scope of Commons. These images do not even demonstrate how not to do something, they simply depict something which is untrue (i.e. that, according to one of the images, e2 + φ2 = π2). You may not be mathematically mature enough to even see what the image means, I am mathematically mature enough to immediately recognize it a nonsense, but imagine the large group of people that fall somewhere in between us. They will might be mislead into believing that equation does hold. In that sense the image is anti-educational, looking at it it might actually make you dumber. —Ruud 11:39, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Hmmm, "not mathematically mature" eh? Talk about patronising? "They simply depict something which is untrue", so on that basis are we to delete any optical illusion imagery? You really don't give people much trust do you? Let me see now, images in a category called "non-sensical" yet you still believe that people who are 'mathematically between you and I' could believe it/them to be true? Do you really believe that people below your mathematical ability lack commonsense and reasoning ability? Is that patronising, arrogance or simply a language problem on your part? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:53, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Optical illusions are real, so obviously no. Yes, again, I do believe people can be misled by these images, especially without the context of the article in which they originally appeared. These images have no educational value or possible use, as opposed to images of optical illusions. —Ruud 15:00, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Hmmm, "not mathematically mature" eh? Talk about patronising? "They simply depict something which is untrue", so on that basis are we to delete any optical illusion imagery? You really don't give people much trust do you? Let me see now, images in a category called "non-sensical" yet you still believe that people who are 'mathematically between you and I' could believe it/them to be true? Do you really believe that people below your mathematical ability lack commonsense and reasoning ability? Is that patronising, arrogance or simply a language problem on your part? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:53, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- No, because "non-sensical" images not in the scope of Commons. These images do not even demonstrate how not to do something, they simply depict something which is untrue (i.e. that, according to one of the images, e2 + φ2 = π2). You may not be mathematically mature enough to even see what the image means, I am mathematically mature enough to immediately recognize it a nonsense, but imagine the large group of people that fall somewhere in between us. They will might be mislead into believing that equation does hold. In that sense the image is anti-educational, looking at it it might actually make you dumber. —Ruud 11:39, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- So put them in a "non-sensical" category. And yes I know Pythagorus, what I don't know is mathematical notation. I'm an illustrator, not a mathematician. What I do know is that knowing how not to do something is also educational. I see no harm in these images. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 08:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fred, strangely you don't know that files not useful for education purposes or in use in Wikimedia projects aren't in scope.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:56, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Strangely enough I do, but that wasn't the original nomination rationale. Likewise "not in use in Wikimedia projects" is also not a legitimate rationale. I wonder how many images here aren't in use in any of the projects? I'm guessing quite a large percentage. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 08:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- COM:SCOPE says that "A media file which is neither realistically useful for an educational purpose, nor legitimately in use as discussed above falls outside the scope of Wikimedia Commons." Don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs.--Prosfilaes (talk) 12:11, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Oh I agree, they are "fucking useless", but then again there are lots of fucking useless files around these here parts. If you'll notice I haven't actually !voted one way or the other, and I certainly haven't voted for a keep. But between you and I there's a wee bit of academic patronisation and arrogance going on around here, so in those situations I go into wind-up mode. incidentally, tell your Grandmother about Heinz's Salad Cream. it goes wonderfully with eggs. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 13:32, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Because why would we care what someone educated in a subject thinks about the usefulness of images on the subject?--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:08, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Because regardless of education 1)It only takes so much education to know if it's right or wrong, anything beyond that is irrelevant. 2) having an extended education on a particular subject doesn't validate someone's subjective opinion, i.e. right or wrong is objective, knowing if something is useful is subjective. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:44, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Because why would we care what someone educated in a subject thinks about the usefulness of images on the subject?--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:08, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Oh I agree, they are "fucking useless", but then again there are lots of fucking useless files around these here parts. If you'll notice I haven't actually !voted one way or the other, and I certainly haven't voted for a keep. But between you and I there's a wee bit of academic patronisation and arrogance going on around here, so in those situations I go into wind-up mode. incidentally, tell your Grandmother about Heinz's Salad Cream. it goes wonderfully with eggs. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 13:32, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- COM:SCOPE says that "A media file which is neither realistically useful for an educational purpose, nor legitimately in use as discussed above falls outside the scope of Wikimedia Commons." Don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs.--Prosfilaes (talk) 12:11, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Strangely enough I do, but that wasn't the original nomination rationale. Likewise "not in use in Wikimedia projects" is also not a legitimate rationale. I wonder how many images here aren't in use in any of the projects? I'm guessing quite a large percentage. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 08:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Dear Fred, while it greatly saddens me that the Pythagorean theorem hasn't been a part of your education, please don't focus on the "original research" part here (I've even removed this term from my rationale above). The important part here is that the images are non-sensical, ergo non-educational. —Ruud 00:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- And that wonderful display of gobbledy-gook changes what? Sometimes it's just as important to know what isn't correct, and knowing what pi is does not an education make. Education takes many different forms. As it happens none of those files make any sense to me at all, yet strangely I still know that "original research" isn't a deletion criteria for commons, who knew eh? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Since when has original research been a deletion issue for Commons? This isn't Wikipedia ya know! --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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- Delete No educational use.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - potentially educationally useful in illustrating pseudoscientific abuse of mathematics. I suggest rewriting descriptions to make it clear that the contents are nonsense. Wikiversity hosts a lot of pseudoscience of one type or another, like it or not, so it's perfectly likely that they'll one day be used. --Claritas (talk) 08:26, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- There is absolutely no way in which these images could be reused by anyone but their author. Do you have concrete suggestions for their usage and, perhaps more importantly, for updated descriptions of the images (and could you please apply those those the images as well.) —Ruud 10:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- You wouldn't be trying to offer opinion as fact now would you Ruud? "There is absolutely no way" seems a little black & white for which is only a subjective opinion after all, don't you think? I just cannot resist this bit, but here goes... do you have a citation or proof to back up that assertion? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:09, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- There is absolutely no way in which these images could be reused by anyone but their author. Do you have concrete suggestions for their usage and, perhaps more importantly, for updated descriptions of the images (and could you please apply those those the images as well.) —Ruud 10:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep Per COM:NPOV and the fact that this is not Wikipedia. VolodyA! V Anarhist (converse) 20:02, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - just pretending to be scientific. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:52, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete - Out of scope. -FASTILY (TALK) 01:21, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete unusable photo --Katarighe (Talk · Contributions · E-mail) 23:18, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - should be decided individually for every file --McZusatz (talk) 12:20, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- Keep File:Vesica piscis square roots.png - true. File:E - PHI - PI Vesica piscis.png is also true:
φ²+e²=9.869…≈π²=10.007…φ²+e²=10.007…≈π²=9.869…sorry, the other way round BartekChom (talk) 22:34, 30 May 2012 (UTC) and 1.6²+2.7²=9.85≈3.14²=9.8596. Probably others also contain some true. BartekChom (talk) 22:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
- I also think File:Vesica piscis square roots.png could be kept. But is there any other file which is correct and could be kept? I "corrected" the [[:File:E - PHI - PI Vesica piscis.png]. I think its useless now, isn't it? --McZusatz (talk) 07:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
- Please, do not fool. 1.6²+2.7²≈3.14² was already true and I'm going to create some "φeπ" triangles to show, how similar to a right triangle they are. BartekChom (talk) 22:34, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
- I have done. Category:Φ e π triangle. BartekChom (talk) 17:23, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Please, do not fool. 1.6²+2.7²≈3.14² was already true and I'm going to create some "φeπ" triangles to show, how similar to a right triangle they are. BartekChom (talk) 22:34, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
- I also think File:Vesica piscis square roots.png could be kept. But is there any other file which is correct and could be kept? I "corrected" the [[:File:E - PHI - PI Vesica piscis.png]. I think its useless now, isn't it? --McZusatz (talk) 07:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
- Delete out of scope Werieth (talk) 03:46, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Deleted all but two per discussion. Thuresson (talk) 10:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Deleted, Thuresson (talk) 10:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
"make sure the author never claimed authorship." (citation from copyright status indication template) - I cannot see that fact documented on the file page Saibo (Δ) 22:56, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - the Slovenian archive does not give the photographer. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 01:12, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- I do not really see who this should be a reply/riposte to my citation. If I understand (via google translator) the soruce page correctly they do not mention author at all - not even a mention "author unknown". --Saibo (Δ) 02:10, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - They do mention the author where it is known (like here). As this is from the Digital Library of Slovenia, which is maintained by the National and University Library of Slovenia, where this photo is kept, it is safe to say the author is unknown. --Sporti (talk) 07:08, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fine, thanks - at least a info now why it may be assumed that the author is unknown. Don't they just forget to mention the name in some collections? And: how is that satisfied? "make sure the author never claimed authorship." --Saibo (Δ) 13:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is reasonable evidence because the photograph is kept at the National and University Library of Slovenia and the Digital Library of Slovenia (maintained by the National and University Library of Slovenia) doesn't state the author - therefore it is safe to say the author is unknown. --Sporti (talk) 08:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- And how do they know that the author never claimed authorship? From where do they got the image? --Saibo (Δ) 13:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is reasonable evidence because the photograph is kept at the National and University Library of Slovenia and the Digital Library of Slovenia (maintained by the National and University Library of Slovenia) doesn't state the author - therefore it is safe to say the author is unknown. --Sporti (talk) 08:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fine, thanks - at least a info now why it may be assumed that the author is unknown. Don't they just forget to mention the name in some collections? And: how is that satisfied? "make sure the author never claimed authorship." --Saibo (Δ) 13:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - is there evidence that the image was published before 1941 ? If not, it doesn't qualify as PD-anon-EU despite the anonymity of the author. --Claritas (talk) 08:36, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep The source (dlib.si) lists the date in the 1920's (192? to be exact) and thus would make it qualify for PD-anon-EU Werieth (talk) 03:49, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Delete. This document,[38] published by Dlib itself, specifically states on pg. 31 that works whose author is unknown ("osirotela dela" - "orphan works") are not published at Dlib: "V kolikor se v postopku razčiščevanja pravic izkaže, da je določeno delo osirotelo, ga na portalu dLib ni dovoljeno objaviti." (In the case that in the process of clearing the copyright status it is found out that the work is orphan, it is not allowed to publish it at the Dlib portal.) Orphan works are defined as those where even after a reasonable search it is not possible to identify or find out all the copyright holders. In addition, according to the same document (pg. 20), the works whose author died in 1945 or later are still copyrighted in Slovenia. It is possible that the author died before that year, but this should be documented with a reliable source. --Eleassar (t/p) 07:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
- "In the case that in the process of clearing the copyright status it is found out that the work is orphan, it is not allowed to publish it at the Dlib portal." So as this was published on dlib, therefor it isn't an "orphan". --Sporti (talk) 05:49, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, the creator is therefore not anonymous. If it is therefore not documented in reasonable time (usually 7 days) who he or she is and that the image is in the public domain or under a free license, the image should be deleted. "The creator or copyright owner should be identified, if known or reasonably ascertainable. ... All description pages on Commons must indicate clearly under which license the materials were published, and must contain the information required by the license (author, etc.) ..." --Eleassar (t/p) 06:29, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- P.S.: The incompleteness of the dLib metadata was also pointed out in 2010 by the professor Miran Hladnik.[39] --Eleassar (t/p) 07:36, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Kept: No evidence that the author of the picture is not enough dead. Pymouss Let’s talk - 21:31, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
"Reasonable evidence must be presented that the author's name (e.g., the original photographer, portrait painter) was not published with a claim of copyright in conjunction with the image within 70 years of its original publication" (citation from copyright status indication template) - I cannot see that fact documented on the file page Saibo (Δ) 23:04, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - The name of the author is not stated for this photo (like here). As this is from the Digital Library of Slovenia, which is maintained by the National and University Library of Slovenia, where this photo is kept, it is safe to say the author is unknown. --Sporti (talk) 07:16, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fine, thanks - at least a info now why it may be assumed that the author is unknown. Don't they just forget to mention the name in some collections? And: how is that satisfied? "Reasonable evidence must be presented that the author's name (e.g., the original photographer, portrait painter) was not published with a claim of copyright in conjunction with the image within 70 years of its original publication" --Saibo (Δ) 13:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is reasonable evidence because the photograph is kept at the National and University Library of Slovenia and the Digital Library of Slovenia (maintained by the National and University Library of Slovenia) doesn't state the author - therefore it is safe to say the author is unknown. --Sporti (talk) 08:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- And how do they know that "the author's name [...] was not published with a claim of copyright in conjunction with the image within 70 years of its original publication"? From where do they got the image? --Saibo (Δ) 13:54, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is reasonable evidence because the photograph is kept at the National and University Library of Slovenia and the Digital Library of Slovenia (maintained by the National and University Library of Slovenia) doesn't state the author - therefore it is safe to say the author is unknown. --Sporti (talk) 08:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fine, thanks - at least a info now why it may be assumed that the author is unknown. Don't they just forget to mention the name in some collections? And: how is that satisfied? "Reasonable evidence must be presented that the author's name (e.g., the original photographer, portrait painter) was not published with a claim of copyright in conjunction with the image within 70 years of its original publication" --Saibo (Δ) 13:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Delete per this - no indication this photo is PD in the US. Parsecboy (talk) 21:36, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Delete. This document,[40] published by Dlib itself, specifically states on pg. 31 that works whose author is unknown ("osirotela dela" - "orphan works") are not published at Dlib: "V kolikor se v postopku razčiščevanja pravic izkaže, da je določeno delo osirotelo, ga na portalu dLib ni dovoljeno objaviti." (In the case that in the process of clearing the copyright status it is found out that the work is orphan, it is not allowed to publish it at the Dlib portal.) Orphan works are defined as those where even after a reasonable search it is not possible to identify or find out all the copyright holders. In addition, according to the same document (pg. 20), the works whose author died in 1945 or later are still copyrighted in Slovenia. It is possible that the author died before that year, but this should be documented with a reliable source. --Eleassar (t/p) 07:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Kept: No evidence that the author of the picture is not enough dead. Pymouss Let’s talk - 21:33, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
"make sure the author never claimed authorship." (citation from copyright status indication template) - I cannot see that fact documented on the file page -- Saibo (Δ) 23:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - The name of the author is not stated for this photo (like here). As this is from the Digital Library of Slovenia, which is maintained by the National and University Library of Slovenia, where this photo is kept, it is safe to say the author is unknown. --Sporti (talk) 07:16, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fine, thanks - at least a info now why it may be assumed that the author is unknown. Don't they just forget to mention the name in some collections? And: how is that satisfied? "make sure the author never claimed authorship." --Saibo (Δ) 13:53, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- See the second part of my previous answer again. Also if you think there is a problem with the template, start a centralised discussion rather than nominating individual photos for deletion with identical explanations. --Sporti (talk) 14:04, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Still no answer... I will not reply anymore. There is no problem with the template - just with the many wrong usages of it. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 00:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- See the second part of my previous answer again. Also if you think there is a problem with the template, start a centralised discussion rather than nominating individual photos for deletion with identical explanations. --Sporti (talk) 14:04, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Fine, thanks - at least a info now why it may be assumed that the author is unknown. Don't they just forget to mention the name in some collections? And: how is that satisfied? "make sure the author never claimed authorship." --Saibo (Δ) 13:53, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - per Sporti. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:36, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep Given the authority and standards that the Digital Library of Slovenia provides, if an author is not given then the author is unknown, and thus valid use of the template. Werieth (talk) 03:55, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Delete. This document,[41] published by Dlib itself, specifically states on pg. 31 that works whose author is unknown ("osirotela dela" - "orphan works") are not published at Dlib: "V kolikor se v postopku razčiščevanja pravic izkaže, da je določeno delo osirotelo, ga na portalu dLib ni dovoljeno objaviti." (In the case that in the process of clearing the copyright status it is found out that the work is orphan, it is not allowed to publish it at the Dlib portal.) Orphan works are defined as those where even after a reasonable search it is not possible to identify or find out all the copyright holders. In addition, according to the same document (pg. 20), the works whose author died in 1945 or later are still copyrighted in Slovenia. It is possible that the author died before that year, but this should be documented with a reliable source. --Eleassar (t/p) 07:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Kept: No evidence that the author of the picture is not enough dead. Pymouss Let’s talk - 21:34, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
The discussion at Commons:Deletion_requests/File:"Appreciate_America._Come_On_Gang._All_Out_for_Uncle_Sam"_(Mickey_Mouse)"_-_NARA_-_513869.tif was clear that there is a visual copyright in distinctive characters and that where later works apparently enter into the public domain, there is still a derivative copyright on those elements. Although there are numerous "comic book" sources that state that these cartoons are "public domain" - there are no good legal sources that state that. Only those elements of these cartoons that are not derivative of the superman comic books are PD - and that does not include Superman, so these cartoons should be deleted. Ajbp (talk) 19:29, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Note that this is equally applicable to all of the other images in Category:PD_Cartoon_-_Superman and so this should be considered a meta discussion on all of those images. Ajbp (talk) 19:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Uh, surely you meant to nominate the file for deletion, not its talk page? Dcoetzee (talk) 10:07, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- I assumed so and so edited the link and DR page. -mattbuck (Talk) 11:42, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Based on the cited precedent, this and most of Category:PD Cartoon - Superman should be deleted File:Arcticgiant2.JPG and File:Superman-mechanical-monster.jpg are the only files there that are totally in the clear - containing only characters created by Fleischer studios. - J Greb (talk) 19:14, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- comment: See also the 2007/2008 Commons:Deletion requests/Cartoons. --Bensin (talk) 06:11, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: Per discussion, loss of copyright applies to film, not to copyrighted character depicted. Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 04:41, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm extending this so that it also covers the following images, uploaded by the same user:
When were the original pictures made, and by whom? Are they really in the public domain? Don't take 1697 on the last picture for a date when the illustration was made: there were no trains in 1697. Stefan4 (talk) 17:29, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - {{PD-Australia}} seems likely for the first two images (if there is no signature). /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:19, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - No. 1 was taken in an Australian railway museum south of Alice Springs. It is a printed poster. -- Reinhard Dietrich (talk) 16:13, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Comment - No. 2 shows a station-decoration at the station of Pickering. As far as I remember it consists of tiles. Originally it was a means for public information on the network. -- Reinhard Dietrich (talk) 16:13, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Comment - No. 3 is out of a pattern-book by Rock & Graner, a firm produing metal toys. This is from about 1875/1880. Under {{PD-Germany}} that ist public domain. -- Reinhard Dietrich (talk) 16:13, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Kept: Per arguments. I will note that this would be easier if individual discussions were done, since the conditions for each were different, rather than requesting by "all from a single user" Bastique ☎ appelez-moi! 04:40, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
