Wikidata:Property proposal/number of branches
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number of branches
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
| Description | number of branches or stores affiliated with a chain, brand or company |
|---|---|
| Data type | Quantity |
| Domain | item (retail chain (Q507619), business (Q4830453), ...) |
| Allowed values | non-negative integers |
| Allowed units | empty or branch office (Q1880737), supermarket (Q180846), convenience store (Q7361709), ... |
| Example 1 | McDonald’s (Q38076) → 37855 point in time (P585) 2018 |
| Example 2 | REWE (Q16968817) → 3300 sourcing circumstances (P1480) circa (Q5727902) |
| Example 3 | Commerzbank AG (Q157617) → 800 country (P17) Germany (Q183) |
| Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
Motivation
[edit]The number of branches a chain has, is an important characteristic for the chains. I can see it used i.e. for sorting in queries, lists, for external services and in Wikidata-based infoboxes, but this is not exhaustive, due to its fundamental importance. CamelCaseNick (talk) 19:41, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Discussion
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Support Moebeus (talk) 20:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)- Support Though I don't think there's a need for units at all. --Nw520 (talk) 20:28, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Nw520: I can live without the units. It is just that properties tend to get bend in their meanings and I'd rather see it used with units than with qualifiers such as applies to part (P518). --CamelCaseNick (talk) 19:59, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- Yet another question: As far as I can see, there is no clear distinction between brands and brand owners in Wikidata. With this property is there a way to distinguish between branches directly operated by a company (excluding franchisees) and the total number of branches under a brand (including franchisees)? --Nw520 (talk) 17:31, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Nw520: Interesting question indeed. You could e.g. try to fiddle around with applies to part (P518) or similar, but ultimately you won't magically disambiguate ambiguous items with a property. I think the only real solution here would be to split chain/brand and company. Therefore, I did not intend to provide such method of distinction. --CamelCaseNick (talk) 22:47, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Givent that no reasoning is provided to not use has part(s) of the class (P2670) with quantity. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 16:13, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: The reason I did not provide a reason is, that I did not think about it and have not seen it before. I would have seen this new property to be used mostly with the empty unit as for example the numbers for McDonald’s (Q38076) are not explicitly split by store type. But indeed, it could be done with McDonald’s (Q38076)has part(s) of the class (P2670)fast food restaurant (Q1751429)
point in time (P585)yr 2016 quantity (P1114)36 899 and McDonald’s (Q38076)has part(s) of the class (P2670)fast food restaurant (Q1751429) point in time (P585)yr 2017 quantity (P1114)37 241 and McDonald’s (Q38076)has part(s) of the class (P2670)fast food restaurant (Q1751429) point in time (P585)yr 2018 quantity (P1114)37 855. Still, then the changing part of the claim is not in the snak, but only in a qualifier. --CamelCaseNick (talk) 19:56, 8 June 2020 (UTC) - Support Using P2670 is how I have been doing this so far. However, I think this bespoke property is a much nicer solution. It allows for general "has X locations" or for more refined "has X stores/warehouses/offices" using the units - with even further qualifier refinement possible (by country/region). I would recommend it be named "number of locations" as it can then be used for sites which aren't branches too. --SilentSpike (talk) 16:00, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: The reason I did not provide a reason is, that I did not think about it and have not seen it before. I would have seen this new property to be used mostly with the empty unit as for example the numbers for McDonald’s (Q38076) are not explicitly split by store type. But indeed, it could be done with McDonald’s (Q38076)has part(s) of the class (P2670)fast food restaurant (Q1751429)
Weak support Seems like a natural property for supermarkt chains and the like --Haansn08 (talk) 16:50, 8 June 2020 (UTC)- Support Good idea, using an alias "number of stores" Germartin1 (talk) 11:37, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Support makes sense to me --A3nm (talk) 17:07, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- @CamelCaseNick, Moebeus, Nw520, ChristianKl, SilentSpike: @Haansn08, Germartin1, A3nm: number of branches (P8368) has been created. Pamputt (talk) 05:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)