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Creative work Place Sports Sister projects
Transportation Natural science Computing Lexeme

See also

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This page is for the proposal of new properties.

Before proposing a property

  1. Search if the property already exists.
  2. Search if the property has already been proposed.
  3. Check if you can give a similar label and definition as an existing Wikipedia infobox parameter, or if it can be matched to an infobox, to or from which data can be transferred automatically.
  4. Select the right datatype for the property.
  5. Read Wikidata:Creating a property proposal for guidelines you should follow when proposing new property.
  6. Start writing the documentation based on the preload form below by editing the two templates at the top of the page to add proposal details.

Creating the property

  1. Once consensus is reached, change status=ready on the template, to attract the attention of a property creator.
  2. Creation can be done 1 week after the creation of the proposal, by a property creator or an administrator.
  3. See property creation policy.


Cultural heritage

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Cultural heritage, Wikidata:WikiProject Intangible Cultural Heritage
Other related projects: Category:Cultural heritage WikiProjects

National Historical Museums of Sweden object ID

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   On hold
Descriptionauthority identification for an object in the collections of the National Historical Museums of Sweden
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values[0-9A-Z]{8}-[0-9A-Z]{4}-[0-9A-Z]{4}-[0-9A-Z]{4}-[0-9A-Z]{12}
Example 1Streiff (Q10681657) → https://samlingar.shm.se/object/A4B754D2-5CB6-4FA1-997A-970250E32044
Example 2Mosjömadonnan (Q10589526) → https://samlingar.shm.se/object/7C505995-EBF5-4106-BBEE-17F52BB3EA83
Example 3Elizabeth Reliquary (Q26253636) → https://samlingar.shm.se/object/8BA2743C-5065-438B-9FAA-D854606DB716
Sourcehttps://samlingar.shm.se
Planned useMatching and creating items in the collection that are depicted on Wikimedia Commons
Number of IDs in source1 300 000
Expected completenessno label (Q21873886 (always incomplete))
Formatter URLhttps://samlingar.shm.se/object/$1
See alsoNationalmuseum Sweden artwork ID (P2539)
Single-value constraintyes
Distinct-values constraintyes

Motivation

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Needed to be able to matching and creating items on Wikidata that are objects in the collection of NHM and that are depicted in images on Wikimedia Commons, for example. / LinneaKarlberg (talk) 12:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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 Support Azad Karimi (talk) 13:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Support LinneaKarlberg (talk) 13:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Support Eva L Vedin (talk) 13:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Support Elinor Rajka (talk) 19:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Support Azad Karimi (talk) 13:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment @LinneaKarlberg:, @Eva L Vedin:, @Elinor Rajka:, @Azad Karimi: coordinating support votes with ones colleagues is not helpful, the property proposal process is in place for a reason. Abbe98 (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, we did not know. LinneaKarlberg (talk) 07:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment Considering that National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) exists and that other properties from SHM are likely to be proposed in the future(places, events, heritage sites, ect) maybe there should only be one property? As far as I'm aware the UUIDs are unique across the various types and even if that wouldn't be the case one could include the type prefix in the id. Abbe98 (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Abbe98: Sure, that would probably work. Do you have an example of another external identifier that includes several different types so I can check how it works? Is it possible then to change the name and details of P9495? LinneaKarlberg (talk) 07:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Europeana entity (P7704) would be one example. I would imagine migrating/generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) by: 1. updating the formatter URL 2. adding the agent prefix to existing values 3. updating the label/description of the property Abbe98 (talk) 10:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Oppose Per the discussion above, I would suggest generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) rather than creating a new property for each type. I cave created a section on the discussion page. Abbe98 (talk) 10:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Abbe98 Hello, It would then be necessary to differentiate "agents" from "object". How would you like to do? (incorporate it into the identifier as a general property? or use an external URL formatter?) We can also consider that each property will be dedicated to the type (less errors with dedicated constraints). It would be necessary to recontact those who have already voted, as well as the voters of the other property, to find out if your idea appeals to them, but with more information. I don't see a URL leading directly to the correct page without using the type (with only the UUID). Example: type:UUID. Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 03:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I would imagine we would use one of the seven possible prefixes like agent/<UUID> and object/<UUID>. We could also use a generic resolver but there isn't an official one so I think such a solution is less optimal. Abbe98 (talk) 06:48, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Abbe98: @Eihel: @LinneaKarlberg: We just had a discussion about this with the Wikidata team at the National Historical Museums of Sweden. Our conclusion is that this property should not be created, and Abbe98's solution (using prefixes) is better. This will include us (WMSE is supporting the museum in their Wikidata work) generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) and removing /person/ from the formatter URL and then adding the person prefix to all the existing uses of the property. --Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) (talk) 12:10, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) I have pinged all the people who voted on National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495). I think we should leave it over the weekend at least but then if there are no one oposing this I can migrate it early next week. Abbe98 (talk) 12:32, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We at NHM are all on board with this approach instead of several Properties. LinneaKarlberg (talk) 08:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like an excellent idea. Many thanks Abbe98 . /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 08:51, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks everyone, I've started re-defining National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) and will migrate the existing items using it. --Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) (talk) 12:19, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

National Archives of Sweden persistent identifier

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   On hold
Descriptionpersistent identifier for objects in the National Archives of Sweden main archival database
RepresentsNational Archives of Sweden (Q1724971)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainarchival resource (Q106815942), document (Q49848), work (Q386724)
Allowed valuesBase62-encoded UUID
Example 1No 2. Elbing. (Q111517198) → eYHMeAFOm4sNVmxKK3M5L2
Example 2No 3. Elbing (Q111517379) → 0zDW3BS0Gw9Haap2yUVspE
Example 3No 4. Danzigk wir es Eltere und newer werck (Q111519390) → zmQwWNi2ag9DQGJxnSVmD0
Implied notabilityWikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URLhttps://sok.riksarkivet.se/arkiv/$1
See alsoSwedish National Archive reference code (P5324)
Applicable "stated in"-valueNational Archives of Sweden (Q117288060)
Single-value constraintyes
Distinct-values constraintyes

Motivation

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Wikidata-objekt med denna egenskapen kan också ha Nationell Arkivdatabas Referenskod (P5324), men den persistenta identifieraren är enklare att använda för att skapa webbsides-URLer och länkad data-URIer. Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige) (talk) 13:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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It has been created as Swedish National Archive agent ID (P9713) se discussion - Salgo60 (talk) 07:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not the same as I understand. This proposal is for objects in archives (maybe even archives or series, though I struggle to come up with a case where they would have a wikidata item). The property you link is for an agent (Swedish: arkivbildare). Belteshassar (talk) 09:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Belteshassar, Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige), Abbe98: Dont we make it more complex than needed. Formatter url is the same
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/agent/$1
My suggestion change the name on Swedish National Archive agent ID (P9713) to be both... I have used (maybe wrongly) both for the "person agent" and the "archive agent"
1) List examples nota bene August Strindberg seems to have more person identifiers at the National Archive looks like something that needs to be cleaned at "the National Archive"...
Having 2 different properties is like if someone should connect with Wikidata and add new properties for every type of instance instance of (P31) Wikidata has... ?
- Salgo60 (talk) 20:35, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like Nils left Riksarkivet and the whole thing died. I tried to ask about Riksarkivets terms but get odd answers see issue #22 - Salgo60 (talk) 10:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ID Centre d'Etudes Picasso

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   Ready Create
Descriptionidentifier of a resource of the Picasso Museum
RepresentsMusée Picasso (Q743206)
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Paul en Arlequin (Q3898246)→c160000000000554
Example 2Jaime Sabartés (Q130752354)→c160000000018448
Example 3La berceuse (Q124703839)→c160000000001183
Number of IDs in source54387 in november 2024
Formatter URLhttps://cep.museepicassoparis.fr/ark:/43781/$1

Motivation

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The Musée Picasso (Q743206) has a new website for its collections and all documents (photographs, archives, books...) : https://cep.museepicassoparis.fr/decouvrir-le-cep . It's a unique website with ark URLs. The main website museepicassoparis.fr links only to this new website where ressources are linked and wil be maintained in a sustainable manner. According to this discussion instead of changing the current property Musée Picasso artwork ID (P6358), which is linked with M&M, it is proposed to create a new one.

User:Zolo
Jane023 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
User:Vincent Steenberg
User:Kippelboy
User:Shonagon
Marsupium (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
GautierPoupeau (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Multichill (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Susannaanas (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative[reply]
Mushroom (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Jheald (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Spinster (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
PKM (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]
Sic19 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wittylama (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Armineaghayan (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Musedata102 (talk) 20:27, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hannolans (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
User:Martingggg
Zeroth (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User:7samurais
User:mrtngrsbch
User:Buccalon
Infopetal (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Karinanw (talk) 16:38, 24 March 2020‎ (UTC)[reply]
Ahc84 (talk) 17:38, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:BeatrixBelibaste
Valeriummaximum
Bitofdust (talk) 22:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mathieu Kappler
Zblace (talk) 07:22, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oursana (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ham II (talk) 08:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DaxServer (talk) 16:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Ebakogianni
 :Bold 62.122.184.227 11:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts,@Thierry Caro, Nomen ad hoc, PKM, Marianne Casamance, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Gamaliel: participants to the previous property proposal. Best regards Shonagon (talk) 20:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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  •  Support PKM (talk) 08:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Interesting to know about the issue with the old property. I guess going forward it will be useful to have both if the former one is for objects on show or something. Looks useful. Jane023 (talk) 08:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Creating a new property for the CEP id seems to be the best solution, although we are not really talking about a new id here. The ids of the objects that are part of the museum’s collections (subject to inventory) are generated by the museum’s collections management software. They do not depend on the website. Example:
https://www.navigart.fr/picassoparis/artwork/160000000000554
https://cep.museepicassoparis.fr/ark:/43781/c160000000000554
The only difference here is the prefix “c” (for “collection” I guess) in the CEP record. This difference is due to the fact that this new website aggregates contents that come from different sources:
  • the publication tool of the museum’s collections management software (Gcoll, Navigart): ids with prefix “c” like the one in the example above.
  • the documentation, audiovisual and archive database (Ligeo): ids with prefix “aligeo-” (example)
  • the library records that seem to be attributed a RBMN id: ids with prefix “b” (example)
  • (maybe there are other cases I missed)
So, it would seem to me that the old id is still THE id for objects subject to inventory and should not be deprecated. At the same time, creating the new property, as suggested, would allow Wikidata to link to the corresponding CEP record, as well as to create new Wikidata items for objects not subject to inventory (documentation, private archives etc.), whose records are being published for the first time. I am not sure whether this CEP id should be considered as an object id or more likely as a record id.
Ebakogianni (talk) 17:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ebakogianni As you point, the ID is indeed the same for artworks of the collection; only the root URL is changing. That's why, there was hesitation to propose a new property. But as you explain, the old database retains its value, including structured value and Mix'n'match as bridge to wikidata. The new database has a larger scope, is promoted by the museum that undertakes to maintain URLs with the use of ark. Best regards Shonagon (talk) 14:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎Collectie Nederland ID

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   Under discussion
Descriptionaggregation identifier in the Collectie Nederland database
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Girl with a Pearl Earring (Q185372)→mauritshuis/670
Example 2The Night Watch (Q219831)→amsterdam-museum/SA-7392
Example 3The Night Watch (Q219831)→rijksmuseum/oai-rijksmuseum.nl-SK-C-5
Example 4At Eternity's Gate (Q500554)→kroller-muller/44553
Formatter URLhttps://data.collectienederland.nl/resource/aggregation/$1

Motivation

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Collectie Nederland is an aggregator with over 6 million objects in it including at least 30.000 paintings. We probably have most of them, but probably still quite a few missing paintings and a good way to check coverage for the Netherlands. Multichill (talk) 16:33, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Zolo
Jane023 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
User:Vincent Steenberg
User:Kippelboy
User:Shonagon
Marsupium (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
GautierPoupeau (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Multichill (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Susannaanas (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative[reply]
Mushroom (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Jheald (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Spinster (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
PKM (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]
Sic19 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wittylama (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Armineaghayan (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Musedata102 (talk) 20:27, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hannolans (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
User:Martingggg
Zeroth (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User:7samurais
User:mrtngrsbch
User:Buccalon
Infopetal (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Karinanw (talk) 16:38, 24 March 2020‎ (UTC)[reply]
Ahc84 (talk) 17:38, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:BeatrixBelibaste
Valeriummaximum
Bitofdust (talk) 22:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mathieu Kappler
Zblace (talk) 07:22, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oursana (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ham II (talk) 08:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DaxServer (talk) 16:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Ebakogianni
 :Bold 62.122.184.227 11:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts

Discussion

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  •  Support Looks useful! I also just recently discovered this website. Jane023 (talk) 19:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support This has come up on DifoolBot's list of unrecognized URLs as we have over 22,000 items with collectienederland.nl URLs in the references. There seems to be two URL formats: https://data.collectienederland.nl/page/aggregation/$1 and https://www.collectienederland.nl/page/aggregation/$1 which give exactly same looking pages. You can also replace "page" with "resource" and it redirects you to the right page. Samoasambia ✎ 16:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cinematography

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies
Other relevant projects: Category:Movie WikiProjects

Television

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies

Anime and manga

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Anime and Manga

‎Danbooru tag

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   Ready Create
Descriptiontag for an item on Danbooru
RepresentsDanbooru (Q64514853)
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Flandre Scarlet (Q41561041)→flandre_scarlet
Example 2Nessa (Q116707789)→nessa_(pokemon)
Example 3Rem (Q28859527)→rem_(re:zero)
Example 4My Hero Academia (Q104918088)→boku_no_hero_academia
Example 5Zenless Zone Zero (Q111983519)→zenless_zone_zero
Example 6Kill la Kill (Q13637192)→kill_la_kill
Example 7skirt (Q2160801)→skirt
Example 8nagamaki (Q1304426)→nagamaki
Example 9ponytail (Q653122)→ponytail
Sourcehttps://safebooru.donmai.us/tags
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://safebooru.donmai.us/wiki_pages/$1
URL match pattern^https:\/\/(?:safebooru|danbooru)\.donmai\.us\/wiki_pages\/([a-z0-9_!"#$%&'()+.\/:;<=>?@\[\\\]^`{|}~-]+)
web page title extract pattern (P10999) → ^(.+)\ Wiki\ \|\ Danbooru$
See alsoArchive of Our Own tag (P8419)
Wikidata projectWikiProject Anime and manga (Q7098843)

Motivation

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Danbooru is an imageboard for anime/manga-style art, it has a very extensive tagging system along with a wiki that describes many of the tags.

Tags can be categorised as general, character, copyright, artist or meta. I have only provided examples for character, copyright and general - though it should be possible to match artists with pixiv user ID (P5435). The wiki articles are usually short, reasonably well-written and often provide useful external links related to the topic.

Note that the true domain for the website is danbooru.donmai.us, and the safebooru.donmai.us (official SFW mirror) domain is just being used to prevent accidentally exposing people to NSFW content - I'm not sure which formatter URL would be best for the property.

--Lewis Hulbert (talk) 14:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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‎AniSearch character ID

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   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a character in AniSearch database
RepresentsAniSearch (Q55517348)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainQ95074
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1Noriko Takaya (Q124629290)AniSearch character ID is3506
Example 2Nadia la Arwall (Q101342467)AniSearch character ID is49348
Example 3Rei Ayanami (Q1140524)AniSearch character ID is1
Sourcehttps://www.anisearch.com/
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned useIdentifying characters with corresponding character IDs on AniSearch.
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.anisearch.com/character/$1
Robot and gadget jobsYes
See alsoAniDB character ID (P5648), AnimeClick character ID (P5847), MyAnimeList character ID (P4085)

Motivation

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(Add your motivation for this property here and your signature)  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Z. Patterson (talk • contribs) at 02:35, December 3, 2024 (UTC).

Discussion

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Konggaru Starry K. Erne Mogilevich Santer AldNonUcallinme? Thibaut120094 Shikeishu C933103 Sight Contamination -Zest Vulphere Sakretsu Jean-Frédéric Tris T7 TT me
Wallacegromit1 Jeanjung212 Bagas Chrisara ミラP CrystallineLeMonde
Nicereddy Shisma (talk) MatrosMonk Bwk24 Mickn RPI2026F1 Yirba Eniehack Wiccio IntensionalLogican

Notified participants of WikiProject Anime and Manga

 Support. As one of the leading anime and manga databases, this property is intended to be comprehensive in its field. --Wiccio (talk) 07:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Music

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Music
Other relevant projects: Category:Music WikiProjects

Zvuk album ID

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   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for an album or single on Zvuk
RepresentsZvuk (Q105047698)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainmusical release (Q2031291), release group (Q108346082)
Example 1L'Emprise (Q114656238)→33387960
Example 2In the Zone (Q27166)→3322072
Example 3Akustichesky Albom (Q4060256)→8125614
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://zvuk.com/release/$1
See alsoZvuk artist ID (P10524)
Wikidata projectZvuk (Q105047698)

Motivation

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Уже существует свойство для страниц исполнителей, но пока нет свойства для самих альбомов.

Discussion

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DNCI label ID

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   Under discussion
DescriptionID used on DNCI website to define a music label
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainQ18127
Example 1Fantasy (Q3739374) → 376
Example 2Odeon (Q706013) → 23
Example 3Q3637713 → 730
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttp://discografia.dds.it/scheda_etichette1.php?ida=$1
See alsoNational Discography of Italian Song artist/group ID (P2510), National Discography of Italian Song work ID (P4027)
Wikidata projectWikiProject Music (Q5830855)

Motivation

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There are properties to link to DNCI database for releases and for artists but not for labels. --★ → Airon 90 19:14, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Airon90 ValterVB Alexmar983 Epìdosis Pietro Jura Beta16 Yiyi Sannita Camelia Sentruper Pierpao Marcok CristianNX Daniele Pugliesi (WMIT) AttoRenato Parma1983 Aborruso Sabas88 Lalupa DnaX Fausta Samaritani Una tantum Malore Jtorquy Nicholas Gemini Civvì Devbug Afnecors Susanna Giaccai FabC FeltriaUrbsPicta Horcrux Uomovariabile Luckyz Francians Carlobia Ferdi2005 Luca.favorido Lemure Saltante Giacomo Alessandroni divudì Federica Gaspari Zwolfz Daniele Santini Bargioni Wiccio S4b1nuz E.656 GioviPen

Notified participants of WikiProject Italy

Discussion

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Board game

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Board Games

Video game

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Video games
Other relevant projects: Category:Video game WikiProjects

‎Game Jolt username

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   Ready Create
Descriptionusername on Game Jolt
RepresentsGame Jolt (Q28444637)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5), group of humans (Q16334295), video game developer (Q210167), video game publisher (Q1137109)
Allowed values^[\w-]+$
Example 1NomnomNami (Q92000350)→Nomnom-Nami
Example 2Angela He (Q107359444)→Zephy0
Example 3Studio Peaches (Q130478353)→studiopeaches
Example 4Pirate Software (Q113101662)→PirateSoftware
Example 5Killmonday Games HB (Q24080817)→Killmondaygames
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Implied notabilityWikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URLhttps://gamejolt.com/@$1
URL match pattern^https?:\/\/(?:www\.)?gamejolt\.com\/@([\w-]+)
web page title extract pattern (P10999) ^(.+)\ \(@[\w-]+\)\ -\ Game\ Jolt$
See also‎Game Jolt game ID (P12072), itch.io developer profile (P8176)
Single-value constraintyes
Distinct-values constraintyes
Wikidata projectWikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

Motivation

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Game Jolt is a platform for indie games, we already have ‎Game Jolt game ID (P12072) and this property can be used to identify developers/publishers/etc. of those games.

--Lewis Hulbert (talk) 12:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Battle.net game ID

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   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier of this game on Battle.net
RepresentsBattle.net (Q725130)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainvideo game (Q7889)
Example 1Overwatch (Q18515944)→overwatch (end time - October 4, 2022)
Example 2Overwatch 2 (Q73163646)→overwatch (start time - October 4, 2022)
Example 3Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare® III - Tracer Pack: Ghost Punk Pro Pack (Q131406347)→call-of-duty-modern-warfare-iii-wz-ghost-punk-pro-pack
Example 4Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time (Q96574138)→crash-bandicoot-4
Example 5World of Warcraft®: Free Trial (Q131406401)→world-of-warcraft-free-trial
Sourcehttps://eu.shop.battle.net/en-us
Formatter URLhttps://eu.shop.battle.net/en-gb/product/$1
See alsoEA games ID (P8261), Ubisoft Store game ID (P8268)
Wikidata projectWikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

Motivation

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Discussion

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Literature

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Books
Other relevant projects: Category:Book WikiProjects

‎Innovating Knowledge manuscript ID

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Descriptionidentifier of a manuscript in the Innovating Knowledge database
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainitem
Allowed valuesM plus 4 digits (regex: ^M\d{4}$)
Example 1St Dunstan's Classbook (Q55287054) → M0445
Example 2Paris, Bibliothèque nationale de France, Latin 1008 (Q125135736) → M0238
Example 3Tripartite Psalter (Q62053634) → M0233
Sourcehttps://zenodo.org/records/13827506
Number of IDs in source507
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notabilityWikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316)
Formatter URLhttps://db.innovatingknowledge.nl/#detail/$1
Applicable "stated in"-valueInnovating Knowledge (Q130602682)
Single-value constraintyes
Distinct-values constraintyes

Motivation

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Innovating Knowledge (https://db.innovatingknowledge.nl/) is a database about the manuscripts of Isidore of Seville's Etymologiae. In September 2024 they released their data under CC BY 4.0 (https://zenodo.org/records/13827506). This database holds a lot of original information and would be very useful to have as a reference on Wikidata.

Angayubagia CRolker Epìdosis HHill Jahl de Vautban Jason Evans Jonathan Groß L.P. Coladangelo Lynn Ransom Marsupium MartinPoulter Mel22 Pierre Tribhou Pmt PKM Toby Burrows Maxime

Notified participants of WikiProject Manuscripts Jonathan Groß (talk) 14:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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@Jonathan Groß, Epìdosis, Marsupium, Angayubagia: ✓ Done: Innovating Knowledge manuscript ID (P13100). --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 15:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to add my support with a question, but the proposal is already closed. @Lewis Hulbert: I feel that barely 24 hours is a bit short for the community to meaningfully review a property proposal. Please consider extending it for other cases. —-Jahl de Vautban (talk) 08:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lewis Hulbert: previous ping likely didn’t work. —-Jahl de Vautban (talk) 08:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jahl de Vautban: The proposal was created on the 21st of October so it was open 7 days before creation. But, in hindsight, I probably would have left it a little longer if I had noticed the ping and support votes were all in the past 24 hours. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 11:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lewis Hulbert: my bad you’re right, I only considered on the ping without checking the history. —-Jahl de Vautban (talk) Jahl de Vautban (talk) 12:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lewis Hulbert, Jahl de Vautban: My bad! I created this proposal on 21 October but it took a few days to get the details right. I only transcluded it on 27 October, which I thought should have been regarded as the beginning of the evaluation period. Anyway, many thanks to all involved! Jonathan Groß (talk) 11:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scientific literature

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Video

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Image

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts

Podcast

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Podcasts

Theatre

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Performing arts, Wikidata:WikiProject Theatre

Fiction

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Fictional universes, Wikidata:WikiProject Narration
For projects about specific universes, see: Category:Fiction WikiProjects

health/hit points

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   Under discussion
Descriptionhealth or armor points of this video game, board game or role-playing game character
Representshealth (Q668136)
Data typeQuantity
Example 1Adam Warlock (Q130232493) > 250
Example 2Infested Girl (Q130232401) > 16
Example 3Mercy (Q28592386) > 225
Example 4Sniper (Q128164668) > 90
Example 5Sniper (Q128164668) > 50 (applies to part > armor (Q130232601))
Example 6Claude Speed (Q2721597) > 10
Example 7Claude (Q14805400) > 100
Example 8Zoey (Q65924442) > 100
Example 9Creeper (Q13164404) > 20 (applies to work (P10663) > Minecraft (Q49740))
Example 10Cacodemon (Q108324133) > 400 (applies to work (P10663) > Doom (Q189784))
Wikidata projectWikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

Motivation

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We have no way of modeling this so a property is needed

Discussion

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  •  Comment is this really within Wikidata:Scope? You can only look this up from the game data which makes this original research. Also how do you compare this across games? 100 hitpoints might be a lot for one game and not so much for a game where the weapons kill you at first shot. Matthias M. (talk) 21:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It can also be referenced from wikis about the game. Original research isn't the only option. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 22:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Wd-Ryan: Are you referring to Fandom/Wikia wikis and other player-maintained wikis? These are considered unreliable (due to it being user-generated content) on many other Wikimedia projects. Is this "allowed for" on Wikidata? EdoAug (talk) 22:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure if it makes the statement ineligible for inclusion altogether, but most identifiers can be entered as a reference. These websites, however, do not make the subject of the item notable. Either way, it isn't accurate to say health points wouldn't be found in any other external resource. For example, this random news article I quickly found references hitpoints (Not that this specific one is applicable).
    I'd also be fine with having this data in an existing property if there's a good one. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 23:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If someone for whatever reason wishes to ban Fandom as a source then this is not the right place to discuss it anyways Trade (talk) 22:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikidata has no general policy that declares player-maintained wikis to be unreliable. In practice it depends on the individual source. When it comes to information about these statistics I would expect those Wikis to be very reliable. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 19:35, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Naturally in some games 100 hitpoints will be a lot and in others very little. This is an issue of scaling and balancing and not something that affects the truthness of the statement Trade (talk) 22:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment This could be used on all items of Minecraft mobs. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 22:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment What about using properties such as has characteristic (P1552) (or something similar) and quantity (P1114) for the plethora of (video, board, role-playing) game attributes? A similar property is personality trait of fictional character (P9652). EdoAug (talk) 22:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How about we just widen the scope to include board and role-playing games? Trade (talk) 22:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Trade: I'm referring to other types of attributes, such as strength, charisma, armour, running speed, mana, agility, dexterity, and the many other traits that characters may have in video games (but also other types of games), as well as health (and damage). Instead of creating bespoke properties for these, why not just have one for "gameplay trait of fictional character or item", or just use one of the aforementioned properties (and qualifier)? EdoAug (talk) 22:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Mechanics such as hit points and damage are largely universal across game genres and (arguable) inherent to most of them. Being able to spend skill points across multiple attributes for your characters is not Trade (talk) 23:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not all usage of other attributes include spending skill points. Health and damage are not static numbers, either – many non-player characters in RPG video games have an ever-changing array of numbers, such as Jaina Proudmoore (Q819585), whose health is different in various expansions of World of Warcraft, as well as spin-off games such as Heroes of the Storm and Hearthstone, where her damage and mana (resource) is also relevant.
    I am simply offering an alternative way of portraying these numbers in a way that may include a wider spectrum of similar traits. I don't really think specific properties are necessary, but I'm not too opposed to them either. I think it would be better to have a more open-ended property that would accommodate for multiple types of statistics (including health and damage... and mana, agility, running speed, level, et cetera). EdoAug (talk) 23:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree we need a property with a wider scope, there's going to be plenty of stats that only apply to items from specific games so a general purpose property in the same area as has characteristic (P1552) would likely work best. Taking Pokémon items as an example (I believe we have over 1000 of those at this point) it would be advantageous to be able to provide their base statistics: HP, Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed. Since these stats are quite relevant to gameplay it should be easy to find sources without having to resort to fan wikis. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 02:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with you, Lewis. Some kind of "has statistic" property with a number data type and units for each statistic type. (health point, attack point, etc.) -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 17:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's something along the lines I meant. EdoAug (talk) 17:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @EdoAug, @Lewis Hulbert, @Matthias M., @Wd-Ryan, would you like to give your opinions? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 19:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We need some kind of scope for that type of property to work. Otherwise it just becomes an unworkable mess Trade (talk) 14:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose This type of data belongs in a specific fan wiki. The numbers aren't meaningful to non-players. Dexxor (talk) 00:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikidata is contributed by people active in different topics and have very different goals of contribution, so "not meaningful to non-players" is not a good reason against it. However we does have a Wikia equalvent of Wikidata (Wikibase Cloud), so I have no position for or against the property.--GZWDer (talk) 11:20, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The values are only comparable within other actors of the same game so a per game https://wikiba.se/ is the only option that makes sense to me. I am biased because I think this is the equivalent of en:WP:GAMECRUFT and I am not at all interested in these values as well. Matthias M. (talk) 19:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There are plenty of property proposals that doesnt interest me. Doesnt mean that it somehow doesnt belong on Wikidata Trade (talk) 11:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, this whole proposal process is mostly not about validity, but if people find it interesting. You can also get rejected when nobody replies. Also note that I did not vote against your proposal even though I raised concerns. On Wikipedia this kind of content would be removed and Fandom wiki (Q106513246) took over the niche. Maybe this wants to live in a Wikidata instanced hosted by Fandom, Inc. (Q20466202) instead? I am not sure where to draw the line and if this has been discussed already. I think even video game character classes like Sniper (Q128164668) and Sniper (Q56363410) are a bit of a stretch of what I assume this website is about. Matthias M. (talk) 09:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Actually, this whole proposal process is mostly not about validity, but if people find it interesting." Dunno. If i were to oppose any identifiers for scholarly papers with the reasoning that the subject bored me i can imagine it would get some push back
    Either way i think it would be beneficial for both of us if we had something like Wikidata:Arguments to avoid in property proposals Trade (talk) 18:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The thing with these numbers is that they are not comparable across game franchises. I can't imagine a situation where you would want to query for them on Wikidata instead of processing a table of health values collected by fans of the game, especially considering it's unrealistic to create items for every game entity that has health points. While there's nothing wrong with this property per se, we also need to take into account whether it's useful (external identifiers are often useful because they help with disambiguation and data reconciliation). Dexxor (talk) 21:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I cant imagine a situation where someone would want to compare health points across completely different games in the first place. If one wishes to query this property, limiting the results to characters from specific works or franchises shouldn't be too hard Trade (talk) 16:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "not meaningful to non-players" is not a good reason against. -- Jerimee (talk) 23:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support (without comment) Jerimee (talk) 23:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment So far, fictional objects have been primarily modeled based on lore/story information, like we would describe/model a real object. So the focus was mostly on the fiction aspect, not the specific technical implementations in games or other works. But health points, damage, mana, strength, dexterity or number of weapon slots are purely gameplay-specfic technical details that developers apply to game characters for gameplay and balancing-related reasons and don't necessatily correlate with their lore-version. Adding properties like this and the other proposals could IMO shift the focus of the items to the rather specific, purely technical details of individual implementations. --2A02:810B:581:C300:6C68:1127:8BA5:DCF9 17:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As long as the properties are broad enough to be able to be applied to a wide range of fiction items i don't think it's an issue. As it is, hitpoints is a fairly generic statistic that exists in virtually all games featuring combat Trade (talk) 06:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment How would this work for characters with variable health points? For example, Nick Valentine (Q107028136) of Fallout 4 has health points which are dependent on player level. His HP is calculated as follows: 225 + (([Player Level] - 10) × 5). 1857a (talk) 23:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would just stick with the base HP. People can read the fandom page themselves if they want to calculate something more specific Trade (talk) 06:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

game damage

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   Under discussion
Descriptiondamage value of this video game weapon, ability or character
Representsdamage (Q130232698)
Data typeQuantity
Example 1Neon Annihilator (Q116862236) > 52
Example 2Crowbar (Q127947788) > 18
Example 3Baseball Bat (Q130215531) > 4
Example 4Hammer (Q123017141) > 16 (target (P533) > front (Q32198356))
Example 5Hammer (Q123017141) > 32 (target (P533) > back (Q32198402))
Example 7Crowbar (Q66690853) > 180 (applies to work (P10663) > Saints Row (Q2020055))
Example 8Crowbar (Q66690853) > 100 (applies to work (P10663) > Saints Row 2 (Q2006628))
Example 9M1911 (Q128801867) > 60 (nature of statement (P5102) > minimum (Q10585806), applies to work (P10663) > Call of Duty 2 (Q210298), game mode (P404) > single-player video game (Q208850))
Example 10Peacekeeper (Q130212252) > 21 (nature of statement (P5102) > minimum (Q10585806))
Example 11Peacekeeper (Q130212252) > 70 (nature of statement (P5102) > maximum (Q10578722))
Example 12Bee (Q114351851) > 2 (degree of difficulty (P7252) > easy (Q124400204))
Wikidata projectWikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

Motivation

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We have no way of modeling this so a property is needed

Discussion

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Creative work

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ISLRN

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   Under discussion
DescriptionInternational Standard Language Resource Number
RepresentsISLRN (Q30592540)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values\d{3}-\d{3}-\d{3}-\d{3}-\d
Example 1TIMIT (Q7670405) => 664-033-662-630-6
Example 2Chinese Proposition Bank 1.0 (Q125926939) => 731-738-468-307-2
Example 3The AQUAINT Corpus of English News Text (Q124812853) => 153-002-267-999-9
Formatter URLhttps://www.islrn.org/resources/$1/

Motivation

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Persistent Unique Identifier for Language Resources.--GZWDer (talk) 12:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/works
Software products and brands, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/terms

study or design for this work

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   Ready Create
Descriptionpreliminary work for this finished work
Representscreative work (Q17537576)
Data typeItem
Domainitem
Allowed valuescreative work (Q17537576)
Example 1The Triumph of Pan (Q26699627) → Triumph of Pan (Q20392049)
Example 2Jane Seymour (Q20091565) → Queen Jane Seymour (1508/9-1537) (Q62071377)
Example 3Apollo in the Forge of Vulcan (Q247282), depicts (P180) : Apollon (Q37340) → Study for the head of Apollo (Q4473883)
Example 4The Tulip Folly (Q18748908), depicts (P180):aristocrat (Q2478141) → Dutch Cavalier (Q19862183)
Example 5Echo and Narcissus (Q5332757), depicts (P180):Echo (Q207368) → Study for Echo from Echo and Narcissus (Q21181748)
Example 6The Assassination of the Duke of Guise (Q17174298), depicts (P180):Henry I of Lorraine, duke of Guise (Q313700) → Dead body of the Duke of Guise (Q28939637)
Example 7The Coronation of Napoleon (Q1231009), depicts (P180):Joseph Bonaparte (Q7726) => Prince Joseph Napoleon, Later King of Naples, and Subsequently King of Spain (Q131147786)
Example 8The Coronation of Napoleon (Q1231009), depicts (P180):Charles-François Lebrun, duc de Plaisance (Q707712) => Consul Charles-François Lebrun, Duc de Piacenza, Arch-Treasurer of the Empire, Holding the Imperial Insignia (Q131147911)
Example 9The Coronation of Napoleon (Q1231009), depicts (P180):Louis-Alexandre Berthier, Prince of Neufchatel and of Wagram (Q155734) => Berthier, Maréchal de France, Holding the Imperial Orb of Charlemagne (Q131147947)
Planned useto link artworks with their preliminaey workss
See also

Motivation

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This property, inverse of study or design for (P6606) will makes it possible to identify this studies or design in the finished work item. It was already suggested but not proposed. It was said that based on (P144) could be used but this use has several issues :

With a specific property, as sketches are often about part of an artwork, we could precise the study or design at the depicts (P180) level, what we cannot do properly at present. For the above example, in the painting item Apollo in the Forge of Vulcan (Q247282) there is a claim depicts (P180) : Apollon (Q37340) which could be qualified to the preparation work : Study for the head of Apollo (Q4473883).

The creation of this property would involve work on the p144 already filled in, in which I would be happy to participate.

Discussion

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User:Zolo
Jane023 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
User:Vincent Steenberg
User:Kippelboy
User:Shonagon
Marsupium (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
GautierPoupeau (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Multichill (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Susannaanas (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative[reply]
Mushroom (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Jheald (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Spinster (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
PKM (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]
Sic19 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wittylama (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Armineaghayan (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Musedata102 (talk) 20:27, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hannolans (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
User:Martingggg
Zeroth (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User:7samurais
User:mrtngrsbch
User:Buccalon
Infopetal (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Karinanw (talk) 16:38, 24 March 2020‎ (UTC)[reply]
Ahc84 (talk) 17:38, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:BeatrixBelibaste
Valeriummaximum
Bitofdust (talk) 22:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mathieu Kappler
Zblace (talk) 07:22, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oursana (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ham II (talk) 08:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DaxServer (talk) 16:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Ebakogianni
 :Bold 62.122.184.227 11:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts

‎thesis submitted for

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   Under discussion
Descriptionacademic degree for which a thesis or dissertation is submitted
Data typeItem
Domainitem, thesis (Q1266946)
Allowed valuesacademic degree (Q189533)
Example 1A Survey of Radial Velocities in the Zodiacal Dust Cloud (Q28971627)→Doctor of Philosophy (Q752297)
Example 2L'Église et les clercs face aux béguines et aux béghards du Rhin supérieur du XIVe siècle au XVe siècle (Q43257720)→doctorate in History (Q27639256)
Example 3On stochastic processes (Q113686414)→Doctor of Science (Q2248352)
Example 4French Books in Early Australian Public and Private Collections (Q116950303)→Master of Arts (Q2091008)
Example 5Flight Speeds and Energetics of Seven Bird Species (Q76550143)→Master of Science (Q950900)
Example 6Some aspects of early castle building in Scotland (Q105097652)→Master of Philosophy (Q1527520)
See alsothesis submitted to (P4101), academic degree (P512), grants (P5460)

Motivation

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Academic thesis is written and submitted to obtain an academic degree, but the property describing this relationship is lacking. Some people try to represent this relationship (see [1]) using academic degree (P512), main subject (P921), or even instance of (P31):

Another way is using a subclass of thesis (Q1266946) for each kind of academic degree (Q189533) (see [2]); however, there is no way connecting such subclass and degree item. So it is desirable to create a new property. --Mzaki (talk) 05:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits
ArthurPSmith
Vladimir Alexiev (talk)
Toniher
Runner1928
Daniel Mietchen (talk)
Satpal Dandiwal (talk)
Asdfghjohnkl
Sushma Sharma (talk)
John Samuel OdileB(talk)
Ivanhercaz
Mlemusrojas
Jjfloyd
Kippelboy
Germartin1
Benjamenta
Simon Cobb
Mathieu Saby
Kiwi2020
Saethydd
Epìdosis
Gengrubber (talk) 04:40, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Blue Rasberry (talk)
Walkuraxx
Sdkb (talk)
IbiloyeAC2 talk
Paul Jason Perez (talk)
Waydze (talk)
Pru.mitchell (talk) 21:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keystone18
María Sacristán
Il Lupa (talk)
Athayahisyam
Kippelboy
Soufiyouns
CptViraj

Notified participants of WikiProject Higher education

Discussion

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 Comment Another way to link this is via the item for the thesis writer, where you could have a educated at (P69) statement qualified by academic degree (P512) and academic thesis (P1026). Here's a query with examples of this. Some of the results seem odd, presumably errors in data entry somewhere. But I'm not sure a new property is necessary here since it's already being done another way? ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mzaki (talk) 01:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment We created an application profile for our theses and dissertations: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_PCC_Wikidata_Pilot/University_of_Washington/Application_Profiles/Dissertations_and_Theses. We use instance of (P31) = written work (Q47461344) (or other appropriate class such as sheet music sheet music (Q187947)), and either doctoral thesis (Q187685) or master's thesis (Q1907875). However, this doesn't specify the specific degree such as Ph.D., Ed.D., D.Mus., etc. The specific degree is given in the graduate student's item who wrote the thesis. AdamSeattle (talk) 14:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean a thesis is not bound to specific degree at the time of submission in your system, and the committee or the institution decide which degree should be granted to the thesis author, so students cannot expect either Ph.D or D.Mus would be granted before the decision? In my country, almost all thesis is submitted for obtaining specific degree, since there are different standards for granting different degree and students write their thesis to satisfy the standard for specific degree, that means a thesis is bound to specific degree at the time of submission. That's why I need new wikidata property for describing such intrinsic property of thesis (Q1266946), as I explained above. Mzaki (talk) 15:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I didn't mean that. The thesis is certainly submitted for a particular degree, known in advance. What I meant was that we associate the degree with the person in their item and in the thesis item we can only state that it is an instance of a master's thesis or doctoral thesis. I agree that there is no current way to say which specific degree a thesis was submitted for (M.A., M.S., Ph.D., Ed.D., etc.). If accepted your proposal would provide the means to do that, although perhaps it's a bit redundant with the information in the person item. But if your proposal is approved, we would probably add it to our application profile to use in our thesis items. AdamSeattle (talk) 17:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for clarification. As for the redundancy, I think we have to tolerate it, because the relationships among human (Q5), thesis (Q1266946), academic degree (Q189533), and higher education institution (Q38723) is not so simple as we instantly imagine. There are thesis-based and non-thesis-based degrees. Both students and non-students are granted thesis-based degrees. There are accepted and failed theses. We need a set of properties sufficient to capture these diverse relationships, which may seem redundant in simpler cases. Mzaki (talk) 01:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another comment for the redundancy. We already have thesis (Q1266946)thesis submitted to (P4101)higher education institution (Q38723), although this relationship could, possibly, be inferred via the person item using educated at (P69) or conferred by (P1027) for simpler cases. But this is not an easy task, as similar in the case of thesis (Q1266946)→academic degree (Q189533). My proposal is in line with the introduction of thesis submitted to (P4101), and I think the redundancy claimed is an acceptable price to pay for the practical benefits, as in the case of thesis submitted to (P4101). Mzaki (talk) 02:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

role named as

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   Under discussion
Descriptionuse as qualifier to indicate how the object's role was named in the credits of it's respective work
Representsrole (Q4897819)
Data typeString
Example 1No Sex for Ben (Q7044953) > composer (P86) > Gabe Andruzzi (Q99705003) > "Composer, Lyricist"
Example 2Adrenalin (Q131154333) > contributor to the creative work or subject (P767) > Stefan Glaumann (Q6128925) > "Studio Personnel, Mixer"
Example 3Strip Poker: A Sizzling Game of Chance (Q21282752) > creator (P170) > Mitch Garnaat (Q104029367) > "By"
Example 4NeuroDancer: Journey Into the Neuronet! (Q60748373) > designed by (P287) > David Lo (Q99751817) > "Lead 3D Design"
Example 5QI: A Quite Interesting Game (Q101554101) > John Lloyd (Q366162) > "thanks: stills"
Example 6Cultist Simulator: Original Soundtrack (Q125506146) > adapted by (P5202) > Brent Barkman (Q125506249) > "Composed and arranged by"
Example 7Cultist Simulator: Original Soundtrack (Q125506146) > contributor to the creative work or subject (P767) > Brent Barkman (Q125506249) > "Programming and Mixing"
Sourcehttps://www.mobygames.com/, https://bandcamp.com/, https://www.youtube.com/ (YouTube auto-generated video (Q64727712)), https://www.imdb.com/, https://www.discogs.com/
See alsoobject named as (P1932), subject named as (P1810)
Wikidata projectWikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

Motivation

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As you might be aware almost all works have different ways of naming the roles of it's contributors in the credits even if the role means the same. Other works have roles that are so specific that they have no items on Wikidata.

Having this property would allow us to show how the roles of subjects were described in the individual works, both as a way to provide additional context but also to allow us to show the roles even when no appropriate item exists and to make it easier to find said subjects in the credits--Trade (talk) 07:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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  • Thought you might be interested @Moebeus:--Trade (talk) 16:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It is indeed interesting. My immediate thought: this would be meaningless very confusing unless it's specifically tied to an edition of a work, right? Moebeus (talk) 18:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I haven't encountered this issue so far. Either way we should always go with whichever release is the original/official Trade (talk) 18:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If we already do this for movie cast roles I guess it's only logical to do an extension into video games too. It will lead to more text in how roles appear in video games. Can help us make roles better, so this data may help us editors more than it might help others(which is not a bad thing, life can be very difficult for editors like us who are expected to be either experts or know a thing or two). I find subject named as being very useful when naming video games on Wikidata because we see identifiers like Steam, how they name a game and then on igdb it may appear differently, especially if the main language isn't English. That helps in creating "Also named as" where people may search for something but it may turn up 0 results, which can be very frustrating so knowing what names roles have, we can better know how to name a role.
  •  Support Don't see an issue, as long as they include structured data as well. More information is good. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 18:37, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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