Property talk:P485

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archives at
the institution holding the subject's archives
Descriptioninstitution with the subject's archives
Representsarchive (Q166118)
Data typeItem
Domainpersons, organizations (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed valuesinstances of organization (Q43229) (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
ExampleJohann Sebastian Bach (Q1339)Bach-Archiv Leipzig (Q798038)
Deux-Sèvres (Q12765)Departmental archives of Deux-Sèvres (Q19606454)
Lyon Cathedral (Q1521)Archives nationales (Q182542)
International Federation of Journalists (Q26750)La contemporaine (Q856640)
Martin Luther University Halle-Wittenberg (Q32120)Archive of the Martin Luther University Halle-Wittenberg (Q28735033)
Ruby Duncan (Q19957642)University of Nevada Las Vegas Libraries (Q73644758)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P485 (Q75176207)
See alsocollection creator (P6241), has works in the collection (P6379), archive URL (P1065), personal library at (P9419), artist files at (P9493), oral history at (P9600), newspaper archive URL (P7213), documentation files at (P10527), type of document(s) held (P11868)
Lists
Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total91,353
Main statement89,52298% of uses
Qualifier2490.3% of uses
Reference1,5821.7% of uses
Search for values
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Value type “organization (Q43229), human (Q5), institution (Q178706): This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value organization (Q43229), human (Q5), institution (Q178706) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P485#Value type Q43229, Q5, Q178706, SPARQL
Qualifiers “described at URL (P973), applies to part, aspect, or form (P518), URL (P2699), inventory number (P217), statement is subject of (P805), subject named as (P1810), copyright license (P275), collection creator (P6241), level of description (P6224), archive date (P2960), title (P1476), start time (P580), end time (P582), file format (P2701), newspaper format (P3912), original film format (P3803), page(s) (P304), number of pages (P1104), country of origin (P495), distribution format (P437), location (P276), state of conservation (P5816), based on (P144), document file on Wikimedia Commons (P996), retrieved (P813), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), reason for preferred rank (P7452), collection or exhibition size (P1436), copyright status (P6216), start of covered period (P7103), end of covered period (P7104), latest start date (P8555), earliest date (P1319), earliest end date (P8554), latest date (P1326), collection (P195), access restriction status (P7228), use restriction status (P7261), donated by (P1028), amount cataloged (P7328), Archives West finding aid ID (P9335), official website (P856), production date (P2754), scope and content (P7535), object of statement has role (P3831), object named as (P1932), type of document(s) held (P11868), has part(s) of the class (P2670), together with (P1706): this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P485#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P485#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P485#Scope, SPARQL
Item “instance of (P31): Items with this property should also have “instance of (P31)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P485#Item P31, search, SPARQL

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Constraint fails when collection (Q2668072) used

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Can someone see the best way to resolve when "archives at" specifies an item that has an instance of collection (Q2668072), eg. target is Constantine Collection (Q28028160). The target is a collection that is housed within an institution, so it seems we need a means to connect the two, as archives in a collection at an organisation will often be most accurate.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:54, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Self-references seem reasonable for archives

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The constraint report does not like that an organisation's archives may not be housed at the organisation. It seems a reasonable assignation, so is there a means to reflect this in the items?  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:56, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2019-12 partial archive

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Can this property be used for partial archive, and how? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 17:42, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Removing allowed qualifiers constraint

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I see no good reason why this property should have an allowed qualifiers constraint. If anybody sees value in that constraint, please explain. The Source MetaData WikiProject does not exist. Please correct the name. ChristianKl❫ 19:56, 9 June 2020 (UTC) The Source MetaData/More WikiProject does not exist. Please correct the name. ChristianKl19:56, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ChristianKl: Don't see a reason for it either,  Support removing it. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 20:33, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Oppose removing it. There are a lot of archiving-specific properties that may be hard to discover without this constraint. At the very least, I'd argue the constraint should be kept to provide autocomplete suggestions for manual input (though it can be set to "deprecated" for that use case). –IagoQnsi (talk) 19:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reciprocal property?

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Shouldn't this property be reciprocal? Meaning that the institution named should have a property such as "Archives contained" where it would list all instances where P485 has named it? - Kosboot (talk) 14:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Was just created 2 days ago: has archives of: Q105285756 - Kosboot (talk) 21:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kosboot: that is an item, not a property, which is what would be needed. I have requested its deletion. Why do you see that it needs its own property rather than being able to be inferred?  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:17, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Be careful with 'start time' and 'end time'

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It seems that in some cases, editors are mistakenly adding start time (P580) and end time (P582) to indicate the time period covered by the archives, instead of using start of covered period (P7103) and end of covered period (P7104). This is incorrect usage; when used as qualifiers on this property, P580 and P582 actually indicate the time period during which the archives were available at some institution. To use the Johann Sebastian Bach (Q1339) property example, the qualifier start time (P580)1999-12-31 would indicate that Bach-Archiv Leipzig (Q798038) obtained the archived material in 1999, NOT that the archives include material from 1999 onward.

It seems likely that legitimate uses of P580 and P582 would be fairly rare, as archives don't change hands terribly often (archives are meant to be rather permanent, after all). Thus, I've whipped up a SPARQL query to check for all instances of these qualifiers to allow for checking: WDQS link. –IagoQnsi (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Handles, DOIs, etc?

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Any reason this property just takes URLs? Lots of libraries (especially major ones) assign persistent URIs to their archives (see, e.g., https://archives.yale.edu/repositories/12/resources/4519). AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Limiting value to "organization" leaves out things that are instance of "archive"

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One of the most frequent values for "archives at" statements will be entities that are instance of (P31) archive (Q166118). However, based on how archive (Q166118) are currently defined, they are not parsed as organization - obviously one can add instance of: organization to each archive, or update archives to say that they're all organizations, but perhaps one could just extend it to include archives? Ruthbrarian (talk) 17:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]