Property talk:P2124

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member count
number of entities that are part of an organization at a particular time
DescriptionNumber of people who are part of an organization at a particular time, e.g. members of a political party. This is primarily voluntary membership; use number of seats in assembly (P1410) for number of members (representatives) an organisation/party has in a certain body, where membership is elected/appointed and primarily not voluntary (and generally much smaller and more precise).
Data typeQuantity
Template parameterfi:Malline:Puolue (Template:Infobox political party (Q5622823))
Domainorganization (Q43229), fictional organization (Q14623646), system (Q58778) or group of humans (Q16334295)
Allowed values
According to this template: organization (Q43229)
According to statements in the property:
0 ≤ 𝓧 ≤ 7,000,000,000
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed unitscountry (Q6256), person (Q215627), corresponding member (Q2625729), human (Q5), conscript soldier (Q2672656), organization (Q43229), man (Q8441), woman (Q467), institution (Q178706), bank (Q22687), judge (Q16533), hospital (Q16917), girl group (Q641066), musical group (Q215380), entity (Q35120), user account (Q3604202), not applicable, member state (Q1646605), male human (Q84048850), female human (Q84048852), family (Q8436), music interpreter (Q3153559), instrumentalist (Q1278335), percussionist (Q4351403), performing artist (Q713200), religious denomination (Q13414953), congregation (Q2135977), wiki (Q171), website (Q35127), university (Q3918) or no label (Q125962454)
ExampleNational Coalition Party (Q304191) → 40,000
Arcigay (Q637369) → 228,563
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Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P2124 (Q58066500)
See alsonumber of subscribers (P3744), number of volunteers (P6125)
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  • User:Laboramus/Units/P2124 (Units used)
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    • Proposal discussionProposal discussion
    Current uses
    Total62,993
    Main statement62,62499.4% of uses
    Qualifier3660.6% of uses
    Reference3<0.1% of uses
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    Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
    List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2124#Units
    Range from “0” to “7000000000”: values should be in the range from “0” to “7000000000”. (Help)
    List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2124#Range, hourly updated report
    Integer: values should be integers (ie. they shouldn't have a fractional part) (Help)
    Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
    List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2124#integer, SPARQL
    Citation needed: the property must have at least one reference (Help)
    Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
    List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2124#citation needed
    Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
    Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
    List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2124#Entity types
    Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
    Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
    List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2124#Scope, SPARQL
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    Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

    Allowed unit constraint needs to include subclasses

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    I tried to add this property for NCAA Division III (Q5284440), but when I tried adding higher education institution (Q38723) as the unit, it threw up an error, despite Q38723 being a subclass of organization. We should modify this property so that it allows subclasses of the allowed units, not just the units themselves, no? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 19:59, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    @Sdkb: If this property is intended to be a count of entities other than humans, then the label needs to be updated, too. And I'm not sure it really makes sense to do so, particularly not by using the units feature to mark what type of entity is being counted. JesseW (talk) 14:52, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @JesseW, this property already allows for units like "organization," so it seems to already permit non-human units. Such units are still typically called "members," so I don't see a name change needed. I'm open to alternative ways to structure the information I'm trying to record, so lmk if you think I should be using a different property. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 16:51, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sdkb: Whoops, I used the wrong word. The English label ("member count") is fine, it's the description ("number of people who are part of an organization at a particular time") that needs to be updated to clarify that non-people members are acceptable. As for using the units feature to describe what sort of entity is being counted, I think that's supposed to be done with applies to part, aspect, or form (P518) or applies to people (P6001) per Wikidata:Database_reports/Complex_constraint_violations/P2305#Items_of_an_"allowed_units_constraint"_must_be_units_of_measurement, but I'm not sure exactly how. JesseW (talk) 00:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, I changed "people" to "entities" in the description. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 14:15, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Support for start time/end time

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    When something uses start time (P580) and end time (P582) rather than point in time (P585), this starts throwing up complaints that it's missing "point in time" and that start time/end time aren't valid qualifiers. Could this be remedied? For entities with a small member count (e.g. academic consortia), it makes more sense to denote start/end times than to give the count at a specific point. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 03:17, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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