Radio Interview with Aajonus on Superhuman Radio*

Date: 28 Apr 2009

Host: Carl Lenore
Carl Lenore: Welcome back to Superhuman Radio. You know, all over the internet and every news
media outlet out there, everybody is talking about the swine flu. Actually it's probably causing quite a bit
of stir amongst most people. Several people I've talked to jokingly said,
"Gee, I hope I don't get it." It just arrives on the scene out of nowhere. And it is kind of suspicious. And
my guest today is the keeper of the native nutrition flame, none other than
Aajonus Vonderplanitz. How are you doing?

Aajonus: Fine, how about you?

Carl: Very good. Very good. Eating raw. Eating raw.

Aajonus: Yes.

Carl: Anyway, I received an interesting e-mail from you and I looked at it and I thought,
“Hmmm, this really deserves some attention”. So, we're going to talk about this theory that you have
about what's going on. First of all, one of the things that I was amazed at, that I learned about in the e-
mail, is the nature of these viruses. Viruses are not living things, are they?

Aajonus: No, viruses are not living things. They are not microbes. They are fractionated animal
proteins in solvent solution. Therefore RNA and DNA of that animal tissue are present and
usually can be determined. Now, you cannot transfer animal tissue of that nature or any kind of
an animal flu from human to human. A flu is a solvent detoxification. A cold is normally a
bacterial detoxification where janitorial microbes eat damaged tissue/waste product. Janitorial
bacteria can consume about 50 times their weight in twenty-four hours. From that organic
tissue consumed, bacteria produce waste products about one to five percent. Imagine us
eating 50 pounds of food in one day and having one to five pound of feces and urine. We
would be very efficient eaters. Janitorial microbes are very efficient. I invite colds to cleanse my
body efficiently.
When our tissues are poisoned with chemicals such as food additives, medication, pollution
and any industrial compound that kills or harms cells and bacteria, janitorial microbes cannot
help us cleanse. Janitorial microbes (certain bacteria, parasites and fungi) cannot eat poisoned
tissue to eliminate intercellular waste so our bodies use viral detoxification, which we call flu.
Our bodies' cells have to make specific solvents (virus) to fractionate chemically toxic tissue.
For example, animal cells can create a specific virus to cleanse veins in a particular area of
themselves, whether it be neurological, lymphatic, or blood veins. Our cells manufacture
specific cleansing viruses for specific cells in particular areas in the bodies. Our cells can make
about 300,000 types of viruses that are specific to tissue within cells for all varieties of cells so
that the whole cell's integrity isn't compromised, so that whole cells don't die. Now, at no time,
does it ever get to the point where you have more than, let’s say, three viruses at a particular
time in any particular body.
If you’re in a laboratory looking at virus, you will not find any nucleus, respiratory, circulatory,
digestive or reproductive systems. I reiterate, viruses are not alive. That’s like saying soap is
alive and contagious. Viruses are solvents, just like fractionating enzymes, they dissolve
waste. Now, what happens when you use a solvent? You use water, which is also a solvent,
our universal solvent.
Rain dissolves rock so plants can eat. So water is our main solvent. If you look in an
archeological book, the first thing listed under solvents is water. So we mix solvents with water
to dissolve substances.
Now let’s have a clear coherent look at swine flu. A pig will only created a virus when its
tissues become so toxic from processed feed, vaccines, antibiotics and other medication, and
industrial chemicals such as we find in factory farms. Like us, those pigs are too toxic to use
their natural microbial janitors.
We can have about 300,000 varieties of swine flu just like we can have approximately 300,000
varieties of human flu because of the complexity of animal tissue throughout the body.
However, they cannot cross species. We cannot get a swine flu, per se. If a person who takes
care of toxically grown pigs, such as in factory farms and the pigs have a lot of dandruff that
the person inhales, that person will create his/her own human virus to dissolve inhaled
chemically toxic swine tissue. If the dissolved swine RNA tissue is analyzed in that person’s
waste, they will call it swine flu. However, it is different from an actual pig's flu. Therefore, it is
not truly swine flu but human flu eliminating swine waste tissue.
Now, rarely do our bodies ever get to the point where you produce more than, let’s say, three viruses at a
particular time in any particular area of our bodies. If you’re in a laboratory looking at viruses, there’s
nothing live there. You’ve got soaps - you’ve got solvents, just like we have soaps and solvents to
dissolve grease off of your garage floor from your car. Now, what happens when you use a solvent? You
use water in to enhance the solvent effect of the soap because water is the main solvent on this planet.

Carl: Universal solvent.

Aajonus: Rain dissolves rock so plants can eat. So water is our main solvent. If you look in an
archeological book, the first thing listed under solvent is water. So we mix a compound of
proteins or chemicals, which with water create a fractionation or dissolution of substance. In this
particular case of swine flu, you’re talking about a specific tissue of a pig. And, of course, a pig is not
going to have a virus unless it is so toxic from toxic feed, vaccines and all kinds of medication, that it
can’t use its natural microbial cleansings.

Carl: And that obviously is happening because if you have ever seen animal husbandry, how it
relates to swine – I mean they feed them garbage, they literally feed them, you know, garbage –
everything that people throw away that is rotten, they feed it to pigs.

Aajonus: Well, it started in Egypt and Israel over 6000 years ago. Pigs were used in the streets.
That’s why it was illegal to eat pigs, not because there was anything wrong with them at first, but
because they would eat anything and clean streets. So, all the waste products got dumped out the
windows and the pigs went around the streets eating garbage. So, it was illegal to eat the garbage
collectors. But, because people were eating a lot of cooked foods and throwing contaminated foods out –
let’s say that were left in silver vessels or lead cups and dishes, then of course pigs became contaminated
with heavy metals. Pigs started to get diseases. It became politically and religiously illegal to eat pork,
not only because they were garbage collectors but because they were diseased. Jump to the 20th Century
when feed became a big agricultural money maker, companies started going to other companies that
made processed food, like cereals, getting the waste products cheaply and then feeding them to pigs.

Carl: Right. Like one of the things they feed to pigs is chicken waste, chicken feces. People who have
chicken farms, they gather all that chicken waste up – they sell it to both the pig farmers and the cow
farmers and they feed it to those animals.
Aajonus: Yes, but that’s OK. Pigs and dogs and chickens and some birds eat fecal matter. As long as the
animal isn’t eating feces from chemically fed and injected animals.

Carl: But, that’s the issue. That’s the issue.

Aajonus: Yeah. The feces are pre-digested matter that the body didn’t have time to absorb all of. So
other animals eat those feces and they’re very healthy unless as I said, the feces is contaminated with
industrial chemicals, including medical.

Carl: So, let’s get back on track. I’m very intrigued by this. So, swine flu has arisen because we have
sick pigs out there who cannot -- the necessary microbial response is inadequate for them to take care of
their own bodies so they develop, they manifest this swine flu. Correct?

Aajonus: Correct. Now you can have 300,000 varieties of swine flu however, they cannot cross species.

Carl: So how did we get swine flu then?

Aajonus: It’s been made in a factory and injected. Just the way AIDS was manufactured. AIDS was
created at UCLA in 1961 and 62, supposedly to create cancer in laboratory animals to study cancer.

Carl: OK. I don’t want to get too deep into that yet. Because I want to just elaborate one more thing here
before we move there. So, in theory, a virus – first of all there are good viruses, obviously, as you just
described.

Aajonus: All viruses are good viruses.

Carl: And they’re obviously necessary responses to something that’s happening biologically in us.

Aajonus: Correct.

Carl: And so the swine flu virus or any of the normal viruses that we catch throughout the years, what
are they actually? Do they incubate in our body and stay dormant until we spread it to someone else.
I’ve never understood where the viruses go. The viruses are like the ziccadas? To me, it’s a mystery.
They come out once every 7 years. But where are they for that 6.9 years before they come out. Where do
viruses reside?

Aajonus: OK. You’re working under a wrong premise to begin with and you’re never going to find the
answer if you do that. Viruses have no nucleus. There’s no respiratory system. There’s no circulatory
system. There’s no digestive system. Viruses are not alive. That’s like saying soap is alive. They’re not
alive. They are solvents. They are soaps. However, more accurately, they are enzymes to fractionate
tissue for waste elimination.

Carl: So when they are not making us sick – the bad ones, when the bad ones are not making us sick,
where are they or what are they doing?

Aajonus: What’s happening is, like I said, we have colds, which are mainly bacterial, which go feed on
toxic tissue that’s been damaged – we don’t eat well enough, we don’t eat all raw and therefore we
accumulate toxicity. So bacteria have to come in and eat that waste product because we can’t keep up
with all the waste. OK. So that’s what a cold is. Flu is mainly viral. Some bacteria may be active during
flu. Some areas of our bodies may not be so contaminated that bacteria - the natural way that we cleanse
with bacteria when we’re overloaded with toxicity or waste products, will help us. But when we are so
toxic that the bacteria are poisoned by the tissue, from chemical inundation, then we have to make
solvents. Each cell makes a solvent. Each cell makes a soap to help clean itself. And it’s a union. It’s
like a factory. All the particular cells get together and say, “Let’s make this to help clean ourselves.”
So they make enzymes which we will call soap to do that. So there’s nothing dormant about it. It’s just
that when the accumulation of industrially contaminated waste is so great and you can’t use microbes
then the cells make solvents, that is, viruses we call flu.

Carl: All right. Let’s take a quick commercial break. When we come back I want to delve deeper into the
more shocking information which is more associated with a conspiracy theory, if you will. We’re talking
today to Dr. Aajonus Vonderplanitz. He is the foremost authority on primal nutrition.

Aajonus: Primal Diet, actually.

Carl: Well, Primal Diet, you’re right. And that’s actually your web site. Give your web site real quick,
before we go into the break.

Aajonus: Well, I don’t have a web site, but people carry my information and one of the web sites is
primaldiet.com, that is my publisher’s website for my published books. And then WeWant2Live.com.

Carl: OK, stay tuned we’ll be right back for more superhuman radio.
(Commercial break)

Carl: We’re talking today with Dr. Aajonus Vonderplanitz about the sudden and suspicious outbreak of
swine flu. He’s got an interesting theory that we’re going to delve into now. This is going to get really
really meaty. So keep your ears pasted to the radio.
Now, I want to start back at 1976 Aajonus. What happened in 1976 with the swine flu vaccine?

Aajonus: Well, I was 29 and living in California at the time. And a Dr. Eleanor McBean, MD. She and
Ida Honoroff, who was a consumer advocate and was nationwide syndicated on 3000 radio networks,
showed that the swine flu was a hoax and that the swine flu vaccine that Ford and Rockefeller pushed
through was dangerous. Rockefeller was our Vice President and owned controlling stock in many
pharmaceuticals. President Gerald Ford went on TV and received his swine flu shot. Of course, Nelson
Rockefeller didn’t.

Carl: And it did, in fact. Didn’t some people die, I mean a large number of people died from the vaccine,
isn’t that right?

Aajonus: Well, there were three that died there at the pole, immediately after they got it, according to
Ida. I did a radio show with her. She had the figures that showed 2300 elderly people died within two
weeks of the shot as a result of the shot. In other words, they didn’t have the flu before they got the shot
and then they got the swine flu from the shot.
That is the only way that a human being who doesn’t work with chemically toxic pigs can get a swine
flu, when it is injected in them. We do not have those tissues. Once an animal product goes into our
stomach, it no longer holds the animal’s tissue structure. Our bodies completely fractionate it and makes
it into human tissue. So there’s no way we can get a swine flu or a bird flu, avian flu, any other animal
flu. Years ago, they used to blame it on races – you know, the Spanish flu, the Mexican flu and stuff like
that. Then when Rockefeller and Carnegie started taking over the universities in the early 1900s, shortly
after the Spanish flu incident, they started blaming everything on animals: monkey flu and monkey
AIDS. They’re always blaming nature. You cannot get a virus into another animal. Viruses are cellularly
produced by cells. So, if a human cell creates a virus it can only be human flu.

Carl: So there’s no cross-species –

Aajonus: Of viruses? As I first state in the show, it’s impossible.

Carl: You can get herpes from another human being, obviously.

Aajonus: No you can’t. No, that is false also.

Carl: So, how do you transfer herpes from one person to another.

Aajonus: They don’t. That’s also a fallacy. That’s like saying “OK, the bears in northern
Mexico come out of hibernation and then the next door bears in America come out of hibernation, all the
way through the United States to Canada, all the way up to Alaska.” So you’re saying that that is a bear
epidemic. Any kind of flu is the same thing. When the climate and temperature are right, certain tissues
will cleanse. They may have a 7-years cycle. They may have a 6-months cycle. It depends upon the
tissue and how contaminated it is. If certain tissue needs to cleanse every two years, our bodies will
create, if waste tissue is too toxic for mircrobes, our bodies will create a solvent (a virus) that
fractionates and cleanses that particular tissue every two years, every 6 months, every 3 months, every 7
years, every 12 years, depending upon that tissue and how contaminated it is. The myth that herpes is
contagious is pharmaceutical industry fiction to scare you into taking medication.

Carl: So, in other words, if someone has, let’s say a genital herpes, wouldn’t they be able to transfer it to
someone else, especially if it’s a man to a woman since the inside of the vagina is basically like mucous
membrane – it doesn’t have the same barrier as – like it doesn’t have a stratum corneum like outer
dermis does. Couldn’t you transfer it that way then?

Aajonus: Well, do you think soap is contagious?

Carl: No, it’s not, I use it.

Aajonus: OK, soap isn’t contagious. Solvents are not contagious. However, I can inject it into you.

Carl: And then.

Aajonus: And then you would get sick. And that’s the only way people can get swine flu, is if they’ve
taken an animal, a pig tissue, grown it in a toxic environment and then the swine cells create a virus to
break itself down. You can inject it into a human and then you will find there’s actual swine tissue in
there.

Carl: Which is where the virus would have a place to reside then.
Aajonus: No, there’s no place to reside, because they’re not alive to reside. It’s just that you have an
industrially toxic waste product that now the body has to clean out of the body. The body is going to be
very alarmed because you’ve got foreign tissue injected into the body.
That’s why Guillain-Barre disease and anaphylactic shock occur when you people are injected with
foreign debris, foreign tissue. It goes into shock. You can even die from the shock of foreign tissue being
injected into you.

Carl: All right. Let me ask you a question now. In the e-mail that you sent me you postulated that
perhaps some of this vaccine that was created back in 1976, which killed so many people, it has just
been vaulted, it has not been destroyed, you say. Correct?

Aajonus: Correct. They were supposed to destroy it, but my understanding from one laboratory
technician that I know who works at that lab, they put it in a vault.

Carl: Why? That makes no sense to me, why they would vault something that killed people.

Aajonus: Because there seems to be certain people out there who want to hurt us. Even President
Kennedy, a month before he died said in a speech: there is an elitist secret society that intends to get rid
of and annihilate certain people and control the world. You know, the Bush family was connected with
Hitler. They helped finance Hitler. They’re into annihilating people, destroying races and stuff like that.
Kennedy was rooted in that affluent society with many of those ruthless people who intend to destroy a
lot of the population as soon as resources became very low. And the resources are getting pretty low and
we’ve got 6 billion on the planet. According to some of the information that’s available to us, they want
to get rid of 4 billion people.

Carl: So this is all part of the New World Order process that’s occurring supposedly here.

Aajonus: Some people call it New World Order. Other people call it other things: Skull and
Bones groups from Yale. So that’s part of it. And they gave the task of looking at overpopulation to
Henry Kissenger back in the ‘60s. He wrote a paper that’s about 260 some
pages. Kissenger talks about the greatest way to get rid of overpopulation is to inject people with
contaminated medications.

Carl: Really! He wrote that?

Aajonus: Yes. And you can look at the paper, look under “overpopulation, Henry Kissinger”. Run a
search engine and you’ll come up with that paper. And then that was given to the NSA,
National Security Administration, military and government secret services. They all voted on a
particular proposition – I forgot the number: 281, something like that - that gave the military and secret
agencies the right to start biological warfare and experiment on US citizens.

Carl: So, now this vaccine that was manufactured that killed all those people that has since been vaulted
for no apparent good reason, how would it have found its way –

Aajonus: No, the apparent reason is that they want to re-use it.

Carl: No, no I’m saying that that’s a reason, it’s not a good reason.
Aajonus: You mean it’s not a healthy and a compassionate and a humanitarian idea.

Carl: Right, it’s sinister. It’s a sinister reason. So, how does it find it’s way to Mexico.

Aajonus: Well, a few months ago, the Mexican government gave out free flu vaccines.

Carl: That’s what I was going to ask: were these people vaccinated?

Aajonus: Yes, so obviously they were given this -- some of the swine flu vaccine was taken out of the
vault, given to the Mexican authorities, probably with a lot of money in their pockets and they gave it to
some clinics and then it was being injected into people. And then when people got such a reaction, then
they found swine tissue in their bloodstream and in their kidneys maybe and their bladders. So they
found it. And then you have to understand that the media campaign was so fast.

Carl: Oh, I know, it’s explosive.

Aajonus: It already had to have been set up. They were already ready for the cases to be discovered. You
can’t have 85 cases show up and all of a sudden, “Oh my god, we’ve got an epidemic on our hands that
could be a pandemic.” To be reported they would have to show that they’re very unusual cases. For
laboratories test for something, the laboratory has to be directed to test for it.

Carl: I was going to ask you that. They would have had to have been specifically looking for swine flu.

Aajonus: Exactly. Exactly. So this has all been set up. It’s an old media campaign to sell what? They’re
trying to sell Donald Rumsfeld’s Tamiflu and resell the old swine flu vaccine. And they’re going to pull
the swine flu out of the vaults again and start selling the swine flu vaccine.

Carl: I’ve been getting inundated with e-mails from Canadian pharmacies telling me to start buying
Tamiflu now before it runs out. That’s amazing you said that! I got 3 e-mails today alone from 3
different Canadian pharmacies!

Aajonus: Yeah. Well the media is recommending people use Tamiflu to fight against the swine flu. All
you have to do to fight against the swine flu is never get an injection from a doctor, or an injection from
anybody. The only way you can get any kind of foreign animal tissue into your body and remains that
animals tissue is by injection.

Carl: Yeah, you’re right. It makes perfect sense. Makes perfect sense. And we have to take a quick
commercial break. When we come back I want to talk about something you said earlier in the show. And
that is that the aids epidemic was also manufactured, very similarly. We’re talking today with Dr.
Aajonus Vonderplanitz about the current situation, the hoax actually, about swine flu. Stay tuned. We’ll
be right back.
(Commercial break)
Carl: We’re talking today with Aajonus Vonderplanitz about the sudden and suspicious outbreak of
swine flu. And what we’ve learned so far, for those of you who are just tuning in now, is that the vaccine
that may have shown up on the scene there in Mexico may actually be the reason for swine flu. Aajonus,
you said something at the beginning of the show that you also put in the e-mail and I’d like you to
elaborate on it. You say that aids was created in a laboratory.
Aajonus: Yes, in University of California, Los Angeles, 1961 and ‘62, they combined waste product
from the lymphanomic virus of a sheep and the leukemic virus of a bovine. The only way you can get
other animal’s virus is like I said, through injection. To make vaccines, they take animal tissue and put it
in a Petri dish in a contaminated environment, but with enough solution to keep them alive. So the cells
start taking themselves apart with solvents. That unnatural environment eventually kills the cells. Those
viruses kill the cells because of the unnatural solution environment. The cells kill themselves trying to
change the unnatural solution into a natural solution because the cannot thrive in such solution.

Carl: I want to stay on track here for a second. I want to go back to what we were talking about in the
first half of the show. I want to ask you to elaborate more about the AIDS virus. The AIDS virus was
created in a lab at UCLA. For what purpose would they create something like that?

Aajonus: According to the records that I got to see, discovered by a Dr. Robert Strecker. I’m a
nutritional doctor – I got my PhD in nutrition. Dr. Strecker has like 4 doctorates and one is in
biochemistry and virology. The records showed that they incubated cells from those two diseases – the
leukemic virus of a cow (the bovine) and the lymphonomic virus of a sheep to create a new often deadly
biological warfare disease. However, the mission statement on the report stated that a different reason.

Carl: So, if they did that, what is that the reason for it? Were they trying to come up with a new
biohazard, a new biological warfare?

Aajonus: Well, it could have been the reason, but they put in their paperwork it was to create
cancer in laboratory animals so they could study cancer. That is very suspicious reasoning to me to come
up with something like that.

Carl: Yeah, of course, there’s already lots of agents out there, that will cause spontaneous tumors and
cancers in rats.

Aajonus: Exactly, I mean you could put cadmium in it and you’d have kidney cancer in weeks. There
are lots of ways to cause cancer. So this was a suspicious reasoning for me. But, it was done. Dr.
Strecker called his brother, who was an attorney and said “This is where it leads, follow it.” So his
brother checked the NSA, the War Dept and yes that information had been sent to those departments. It
was given the green light for experimental warfare testing on undesirables. The particular committees to
choose who would be undesirables chose homosexuals. Now, how could they administer this to only
homosexuals to see the consequences?

Carl: Well, you just have to find homosexuals who are also intravenous drug users and then spike the
heroin or the speed or whatever they’re shooting with some of this stuff, I guess.

Aajonus: No, you still can’t clandestinely isolate much of that population without exposing the bad
people. They analyzed that in Los Angeles, New York City, Houston and San Francisco, 90% of the
people who were being treated for hepatitis were homosexuals because they used a lot of drugs that
cause liver damage. So hepatitis is a viral detoxification because there’s so many chemicals in the liver
your bacteria from the liver can’t clean it. So the liver cells have to make solvents, which are again
viruses. So it makes a self-cleansing substance. So all of your hepatitis’s are diseases trying to reverse a
toxic condition where the liver is about to stop working completely. When you get to hepatitis that
means your liver is in terrible shape. No bacteria can help you.
Carl: So you’re saying they contaminated the hepatitis vaccine?

Aajonus: Hepatitis B vaccine with this AIDS virus. That’s why 10% of the population in those cities
who got aids were not homosexuals, they were heterosexuals. Then, they went and put it in the smallpox
vaccine. The US government and the UK government donated hundreds of millions of dollars of AIDS-
contaminated smallpox vaccines to African countries. Then all of these do good meaning groups go out
and administer, to the poverty of Africa by giving out and administering smallpox vaccines, including
African children, to save them from smallpox. They were given this aids virus in the smallpox vaccine.
125 million were donated. How many cases of aids propped up in Africa within a year of those
vaccines?

Carl: I don’t know that number, but I remember it was –

Aajonus: 95 million. 75 million people died. Then what the US government and the UK government did
was create an emergency pandemic. They went to those countries governments and said, “Listen, we
have help for AIDS, we have chemotherapy (which is AZT), we have chemotherapy that we can help
your people with, we can help you stop this disease, we can treat your people, we’ll bring you medical
help.” However, the catch was that the African governments would owe the US and Uk governments
lots of money for their help. Now they charged so much money that no way these countries could pay it
back. So when all was said and done and all these people were dead and very few people ever came
through the AIDS without dying, the US government and UK government said, “You owe us so much
money. If you can’t pay it, you owe us your country’s resources.”

Carl: Wow!

Aajonus: So they turned over the county’s resources to be run by the World Bank. So the US and UK
governments took over 27 African counties with that AIDS hoax. They used a different type of warfare
to usurp another country’s resources. It’s like any war, they kill people to take what is not theirs.

Carl: But, it’s a stealth war, they’re waging a stealth war, almost like a Trojan Horse war because they
are being invited in, they are being perceived as the saviors, but they are really the ones creating the
problem so they can come in and finish the job.

Aajonus: Absolutely. And if you read the book: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins,
it talks about this man who worked for the US government and the CIA, they went in and they loaned
great amounts of money to foreign countries, foreign governments that could never pay it back and then
would take over their resources. That’s the same thing they did with this AIDS caper.

Carl: I want to take our last commercial break and we’ll come back and wrap up the show and
I want to talk about something that you pointed out in your e-mail that I never thought about before, but
it makes such perfect sense that I want to expose my listeners to this. Stay tuned, you’re listening to
Superhuman radio. We’re talking today with Aajonus Vonderplanitz about the swine flu hoax. Stay
tuned. We’ll be right back.
(Commercial break)
Carl: My guest today is Aajonus Vonderplanitz. And we’re talking about the swine flu epidemic or the
pandemic that is trying to be pushed on us right now. Obviously there’s going to be a lot of vaccines
being pushed on us. And that’s what I want to talk about right now. There’s going to be a lot of vaccines
pushed on us here very shortly. And that’s another subject you wrote in the e-mail, Aajonus. Something
that I never gave much thought to: I was born in
1958 and I don’t have the mark on my arm from a polio vaccine so I don’t know that I ever got it. I
remember it was very popular back then. And you pointed something out that was really interesting:
While people were running to get the polio vaccine, there were large numbers of people who were not
getting the vaccine and they were not seeing the outbreak of polio. For instance, the Amish and the
Mennonites – they didn’t go for the polio vaccine back then and their kids didn’t get polio. And the
other interesting things is all these third world countries why are they not overrun by polio today if
they’re not getting these vaccines?

Aajonus: Well, because it is another hoax. Polio is a disease that comes out maybe every 28 years. And
it’ll have its peak and diminish. Sometimes, it will be strong. But it’s usually every 248 years that polio
will create a severe reaction in humans. Polio myelitis, everybody has it, it’s a bacterial detoxification of
the spinal chord. So it usually takes many many generations before the spinal chord will get that toxic to
where a whole race will have to go through a heavy detoxification at the same time. That doesn’t mean
it’s contagious. It means that the toxicity builds up in the whole race at a particular time and everybody
needs to cleanse their spinal chords at the same time. So it’s not a contagious thing. But the
detoxification became necessary right after canned foods came into being during World War II. So 1945
to 1947, canned foods became a regular product at supermarkets and staple in our kitchens. So people
were eating tin – amalgams of metals that were implanting themselves in the spinal chord. Because the
nervous system uses a lot of metallic minerals to conduct electricity and transfer
Light, many of those free-radical metals coming from tin were getting into the spinal chord. So by the
mid 1950s, we had a huge amount of cases of polio. And they weren’t in the people who were eating
normal food. They were in the more affluent neighborhoods where they could afford canned foods, like
my parents. They loved the new era of technology.
So, basically, industry created the need for polio detoxification. They must have known that was going
to happen because they had the polio vaccine ready to sell by 1952. They breeded polio tissue from
monkey spinal chords. They would decompose that tissue and then say this is going to prevent polio.
They added liquid mercury, liquid aluminum, formaldehyde, ether and detergent. Those were just 5 of
the 68 ingredients. All the other ingredients are labeled “inert”. Inert for what? And what is inert matter?
It doesn’t mean it’s non-toxic. It just means that it’s not indicated as part of the solution for the problem
given. But it’s very toxic material. So you have all of these toxic substances in vaccines.
Now, when the polio vaccine was mandated in 1958, it was a year after the polio almost became extinct.
It was down to 1% of the normally infected population that had preceded before it. Not 1% of the whole
population. In 1957, polio was down to a mere 1% of the highest rate of infection.

Carl: So they introduced the vaccine on the heals of it going away, in other words.

Aajonus: Not only the heals, actually the trail. So they took complete credit for getting rid of polio. It
was already gone.

Carl: And you point out that in other countries polio was not a problem and they don’t get polio
vaccines.

Aajonus: Correct.

Carl: Do we still give children polio vaccines today?

Aajonus: Absolutely. They get 3 in their lifetime, minimum of 3. I developed angina pectoris and
diabetes within days after my third polio vaccine.

Carl: So, you obviously had a reaction from it. And that’s another thing. They’re pushing that human
papilloma virus vaccine on a lot of young girls now. And they’re trying to make the parents feel guilty if
they don’t get it. I would never let my kids get a vaccine of any type whatsoever.

Aajonus: Absolutely. They’re all poison. And there’s no science that they ever prevent anything. When I
was in Paris, I researched at the Sorbonne – Pasteur’s material. I had to have someone help me because I
don’t do well in French. And it was all written in French, of course. And not one of the animals he ever
vaccinated lived. Not one lived after vaccination! They all died of anaphylactic shock or severe flus.

Carl: That’s shocking. And so there’s no real foundation that supports that these vaccines doing anything
then?

Aajonus: Correct. Now how can you say, “Oh you’re likely to get some kind of disease and if you take
this you’re going to prevent it”. Many people who get vaccine actually get the disease to be prevented.
In 1958, there were 3 states and one city that kept records of polio cases. And they found that the
numbers went all the way up to 484% increase in polio, all of them, all of the cases among people who
had received three or more polio vaccines. So, when you’re injecting polio tissue into somebody you’re
likely to give them polio.

Carl: I went for a flu shot when I was a young adult when I lived in Las Vegas – my mother called me
and said “The flu’s going around, you should go get a flu shot”. I never thought about it and I thought,
“OK, I’ll go”. I had a flu shot and three days later I had all the symptoms of a flu. I was sick and down
and out for about two days.

Aajonus: You were given a flu.

Carl: And I thought to myself, I’m never going to do that again. That would be stupid.

Aajonus: Absolutely, it’s stupid. There’s not one person that doesn’t get sick from a flu vaccine. They
may get a little nauseous. They may have diarrhea, they may have some vomit, they may get dizzy, they
may get very sleepy for days – everybody has a reaction. Everybody.

Carl: That’s amazing. Cause everybody’s being given the flu at that point. Chances are that your
reaction is the same reaction you would come in contact with if you had the straight flu injected in you
anyway. So you would probably survive it anyway. It really wouldn’t matter.

Aajonus: Correct.

Carl: And really, the key to all of this, and we come back around it -

Aajonus: Let me also say one thing that’s very important. There’s a lot of your listeners who are saying
“Well, look at the Spanish flu vaccine”. The Spanish flu was the first vaccine ever made. It was given to
people all over the world. Only people who got the vaccine got that deadly flu. The research was
documented by, I forgot the man’s name, in his book Man’s Correct Diet. It was written by R.B. Pearson
in 1921. When he had gathered all the information – he was an engineer for a health company – he
proved that the vaccine created the disease and 19 of 20 people treated by the medical profession died.

Carl: That’s the truth.

Aajonus: The medical community compounded the contamination with penicillin and other drugs.

Carl: It’s amazing. It’s amazing. It just continues to go on. And my biggest frustration is that medical
orthodoxy does not look at people like people, they just look at us as –

Aajonus: As organisms.

Carl: Yeah, a vehicle for them to achieve what they want to achieve, which is basically a parasitic
relationship, they want us to depend on them for ever and ever. And buy their drugs.

Aajonus: And they have lots of cars and swimming pools and big families and stuff like that.

Carl: Yeah, it’s disgusting. So there’s the key. If you never want to get the swine flu, don’t go get the
swine flu vaccine. There you are.

Aajonus. Don’t get any injection. You never know what’s in them.

Carl: Well, I inject myself with testosterone, part of my hormone replacement therapy.

Aajonus: No, I’m talking from a medical people.

Carl: Yeah, there you go. And I actually buy my testosterone from a laboratory that I know of and I trust
them implicitly. You’re right. And the farther that you stay away from most physicians – there’s a
handful of good physicians out there, don’t get me wrong and they’re not all bad; but the ones that just
follow the company line, you know, they don’t use their own brains, they just do what the black book
says to do for this and that – those are the ones you have to stay clear of.

Aajonus: And that’s 99.9% of them are merely pawns of big pharmaceuticals.

Carl: Yeah, Aajonus now you are currently in Chicago and heading where?
Aajonus: I’ll be going to Viroqua Wisconsin.

Carl: You’re doing a seminar there?

Aajonus: Yeah, I’ll be giving a workshop – a lecture workshop there.

Carl: And what’s the venue? Where are you going to be?

Aajonus: I will at 321 East Decker St., at the Pleasant Ridge, Old Main Building there.

Carl: And then where are you going from Wisconsin?

Aajonus: Then I’m going to Lodi, New York.

Carl: Oh, wow! There’s a Lodi in New York?

Aajonus: Yep.

Carl: God, I’ve lived in New York for most of my life and I never knew there was a Lodi there.

Aajonus: Yeah, it’s near Seneca Lake, New York.

Carl: I know where Seneca Lake is. OK. So now when I sing that song, Stuck in Lodi again, I can
actually relate to it because I lived in New York and I can sing that song.

Aajonus. There you go.

Carl: Anyway, well listen, I want to have you back on the show because I want to talk about raw milk –
you were actually in Asia last time, I think you were in Thailand last time we wanted to get together on
the phone. But, we have to get back to the whole raw milk thing, to talk about. I’m always pushing my
listeners to find raw milk, drink raw milk. I want to get caught up with you on what’s going on in
California, cause California kind of sets the stage for the rest of the country, I believe.

Aajonus: Correct, yes.

Carl: OK, well listen Aajonus I want to thank you very very much for coming on Superhuman Radio
today and talking about this very very important subject.

Aajonus: You’re very welcome and thank you for having me.

Carl: And then I’ll be in touch with you in the next couple of weeks and we’ll get you back on the air to
talk about raw milk. OK?

Aajonus: OK, I just want to know, have you read both of my books yet?

Carl: I read one of them: We Want to Live. Great book.

Aajonus: And there’s another one called The Recipe for Living Without Disease. It has a lot of the
science on how raw foods and cooked foods differ and all the toxicity in cooking foods.

Carl: And people can get those books at the web sites you gave before, which are PrimalDiet.com and
WeWant2Live.com.

Aajonus: You’re right.

Carl: And obviously a big supporter of my show is none other than Randy Roach, he’s the one that
introduced me to you and he follows your edicts on nutrition and the guy is stronger, he gets younger
and younger as every year passes, so it obviously works.

Aajonus: And everybody on the diet does.

Carl: Well, I eat a lot of raw now thanks to you too. I still haven’t been able to eat raw chicken. I just
haven’t been able to accomplish that. But raw meat and raw beef all the time.

Aajonus: Cut it up and marinate it in some lemon juice and it’ll be the greatest thing you’ve ever tasted.

Carl: Oh, I’ll make ceviche out of it. There you go.

Aajonus: Yes.

Carl: All right, Aajonus thanks so much for coming on Superhuman Radio.

Aajonus: Thank You.

Carl: We’ll see everybody else tomorrow. Thanks for listening.

* Because so many inflections that help define meanings are absent in the transcript of the radio show, this version of the
transcript was edited for print to express the proper meanings of the speakers.