UPDATED DOMINION___5+Things about VP Kay

Stimson__THREAD is KAy Stimson in trouble?

DOMINION VP KAY STIMSON – 5+ Things to know
(above clipped from: https://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/12/bidens-wolves-gaurding-
thee-election.html )
This article you have just accessed introduces the reader to ms Kay Stimson,
Vice President of Dominion Voting Machines.
CONCLUSIONS ( Based on Extensive / Foresic Research & corroborated by the
sources and raw data links entered below )
It is readily apparent based on all of the information discoverable by the sources and
raw data links entered below that the effort to install Biden as the 46th president began
as soon as President Trump secured the Electoral College majority in 2016 and became
President of the United States. The PLANdemic was an integral part of the crime
against the American People of removing their Chosen President for a second term.
The Voting MAchine / Ballot manipulations were another integral component t of the
Overthrow.
Prior to this effort, the United States “Uniparty” Administrative State’s Election Machine
had been PROGRESSIVELY UPGRADED over the years, as a review of Kay Stimpson
shows, in order to meet the agenda of the Political Powers in America, per election
cycle agenda’s put on the table by the Dem party particularly under OBAMA..
Obama famously confides on a hot mike to the Russian Ambassador,
“Tell Vlad I will have more flexibility AFTER MY ELECTION” – freudianly revealing there
were predetermined forces which he knew prior would guarantee him being re-
elected.

In a meeting mid December Obama and his top “Advisors” met to begin plotting the
2020 Overthrow of President Trump. The unmasking began in the tird week of
December, after McCabe/Strozk & Co securing the first FISA warrant against Carter
Page – 4 more GOP were also granted FISA warrants #lookitUp.
What followed was a series of meetings thru Inauguration day, resulting in
“RESISTANCE” Labelled groups, associations, lobbyist orgs; Also the deliberate
establishment via the corrupt IRS of a series of 501Cs (contributions to which were NOT
tax deductible,) Sampler:
 including miscellaneous SHADOW agencies (designed to undercut and circumvent
existing “Trump Era” agencies) (ie: the “NSA” – National Security ACTION” (see scribd
article: . https://www.scribd.com/document/614522588/NSA-Shadow-Govt-Info .) there
are HUNDREDSW of these “non-profits” many of which are intertwined by the same co-
ordinating individuals… ti was a MASSIVE and EXPENSIVE mobilization with an
EndGame of destroying everything Trump MIGHT do in the 4 years he had been
elected to serve…destroying the Consititutional Republic, the American Capitalism Free
Economy, and merging the ideologies of the Muslim Brotherhood. Nation of Islam, and
maarxist/Lenin/Fascist Socialism. This is when the CCP is recruited as an Election
Corruption Ally, along with Germany and Italy and Canada.
Upon the inauguration of Trump, mr Patrick Gaspard (#LookitUp)

became the head of the Soros Foundation with

control over all of its funds, a position he held until 2018 when the CCP joined the plot to
overthrow Trump and aided Pelosi with the introduction of the Wuhan Virus during her
Impeachment of Trump over the perfect Ukraine call.
Pelosi , Directly in line for control of the Power levers, Plans Ahead.

She deliberately held up walking the findings of the US House up to the Senate in
anticipation of the outbreak in America, and to cement the 2019 burial of the Laptop

from Hell had taken place. Meanwhile,

Tony Blinken’s Father was in

charge of the Soros Archives –
 skyrocketing his son
Tony to stardom in the illegal Biden Regime series of Quid-Pro-Quo.There were other
“subversives” from Obama’s functional if corrupt departments added to the “Resistance”
underground… the plot to overthrow Presidential Election in 2020 – here is one
example:

and this shows Clinton gates & Soros ties to the

Plandemic:

2018 – the SQUAD is first “elected” – Obama /Holder redistricting campaign…etc.

 etc.

This article you have just accessed introduces the reader to ms Kay Stimson,
Vice President of Dominion Voting Machines.

Kay Stimson has been the Dominion Voting system VP since the 2020 election, hired in
2018:
Interesting Times: Dominion's Kay Stimson on Cybersecurity …
https://electionacademy.lib.umn.edu/2018/12/20/...
Dec 20, 2018 · Interesting Times: Dominion’s Kay Stimson on Cybersecurity
Response in the Private Sector. By Doug Chapin | December 20, 2018. [Image via
reddit] Dominion Voting’s …
 Author: Doug Chapin
---the year “the Squad” first arrived in Washington DC….

THREAD: Is Dominion VP: Kay Stimson in trouble??

UPDATED 022212023 famous last words: “I HAVE A DIG ON THAT”
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THREAD: Is Dominion VP: Kay Stimson in trouble?

2 weeks before 11/3/2020, certain people were exposed to a
“tutorial” on how the media should COVER THE 2022
ELECTION RESULTS. All gears in that machine were placed
there with the help of KAY STIMSON following a long straight
road from US Government /Obama to Dominion Voting and
the installation of Joe Biden. Associated Press was a huge
part of this manipulation – read below.
Kay Stimson DOMINION VP. Additional reads:
A.This article: https://www.scribd.com/document/487319664/Dominion-Voting-
Machines-Patents# describes the Dominion PATENTS. Learn how the ability to
manipulate results is built into the patented system/s.
B.This article: https://www.scribd.com/document/485674778/Stimson-Article-Kay-
Stimson-Went-to-Work-for-DOMINION# written by Stimson when she was controlling
the Association of Secretaries of State.

This is the Inspector General recommendations/findings in 2017 about the US

Elections Assistance Commission:
https://www.oversight.gov/sites/default/files/oig-
reports/EAC%20Top%20Management%20Challenges%202017.pdf
STIMSON is the architect / creator of the EAC.
Here..[they] hid increased emergency EAC funds – to prepare the election for
coronavirus SAFETY etc, but later likely used in attacking the USPS & preparing for
mass-mail non-absentee request ballots:

EAC Expediting Distribution of $400 million in CARES Act ...

https://www.eac.gov/news/2020/04/03/eac-expediting...

Apr 03, 2020 · Silver Spring, MD - On March 27, 2020, President Donald J. Trump signed the
Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act) into law. The Act includes $400 million
in new Help America Vote Act (HAVA) emergency funds, made available to states to prevent, prepare
for, and respond to the coronavirus for the 2020 federal election cycle.

That^ reads in part:

“Along with our partners, the EAC is working diligently to get this money to the states so
election administrators across the country can immediately implement contingency
efforts in response to coronavirus to protect voters and election staff, and maintain the
integrity of our election process. State and local election officials are doing their utmost
to make sure the voting process is safe while keeping it secure and accessible.
The CARES Act is subject to the conditions and restrictions in the Consolidated
Appropriations Act (CAA) of 2020. These conditions include the requirement that states
allocate a 20% match of funds spent on the emergency grant project, which is to
prepare and protect the administration of federal elections during the 2020 election
cycle. The EAC is providing state grant recipients with FAQs and webinars to provide
guidance in meeting the 20% match and accessing the funds.
CARES Act funds are expected to be awarded to the states by late next week and the
EAC will conduct additional information sessions on the use of the funds.”
At the site: https://www.eac.gov/news/2020/10/19/eac-host-roundtable-discussion-
election-night-reporting-2020-election
..how is this a discussion on the use of the funds, when the agenda is “Election Night
Repporting”????

“MEDIA
ADVISORY”
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWoTB1I5shs

Here is an alleged transcript of that video:

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1 United States Election Assistance Commission Roundtable Discussion: Election Night
Reporting for the 2020 Election Held at 1:30 p.m. Tuesday, October 20, 2020 Via Zoom
Meeting VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT 2 The following is the verbatim transcript of the
United States Election Assistance Commission (EAC) Roundtable Discussion that was
held on Tuesday, October 20, 2020. The meeting convened at 1:30 p.m. and adjourned
at 2:30 p.m. *** CHAIRMAN HOVLAND: Well, good afternoon. I'm U.S. Election
Assistance Commission Chairman Ben Hovland, and I'd like to welcome all of our
speakers today and everyone watching virtually to this EAC roundtable on Election
Night reporting for the 2020 election. We have conducted a series of roundtable
discussions and hearings this year to examine preparations during the COVID-19
pandemic by State and local election administrators through the primaries and in the
lead-up to the November general election. It's our hope that this series has been helpful
to election officials, but also, for the public as we all prepare for Election Day. Our
election system is resilient, and we've seen how State and local election officials have
been able to adapt processes, procedures, and resources to account for the COVID-19
pandemic. Today, we're two weeks away from November 3rd, which has truly become
the last day to vote in this election with the expansion of how Americans are
participating this year. We're seeing high levels of enthusiasm and record-breaking
usage of mail-in absentee ballots, as well as a significant number of Americans voting
early in person. The most recent estimates have 3 at least 34 million Americans having
already cast their ballot according to the U.S. Elections Project. Today's discussion will
focus on what happens after the ballots are cast and what we should and should not
expect on Election Night. While the results on Election Night have always been
unofficial, voters may need to practice patience in waiting for election results this year.
We've seen more attention being focused on this fact, but a delay in results reporting is
not an indication of something going wrong. Every year, we know that election officials
must prioritize accuracy and integrity of elections and have processes and procedures
in place to ensure the certified winner of the election reflects the will of the voters.
Today, we are joined by an excellent panel to discuss this topic. We're joined by State
election officials, New Mexico Secretary of State Maggie Toulouse Oliver and Iowa
Secretary of State Paul Pate. We've also asked Vice President and Managing Editor of
the Associated Press, Brian Carovillano, to participate in our discussion today and offer
a unique media perspective. And finally, we are fortunate to be joined by Stanford Law
Professor Nate Persily. While our panelists today have different roles, they all share a
responsibility when speaking about election results and reporting. I hope today's event
will help build and instill confidence in the 4 election system. Thank you to our speakers
and to everyone viewing this discussion online. Now, I'd like to ask EAC Vice Chairman
Don Palmer for some opening remarks. VICE CHAIR PALMER: Thank you, Chairman
Hovland. I'd like to welcome our guests. Everybody looks great. I look forward to today's
discussion on Election Night reporting of unofficial election results and sort of the
statutory process to get to final and certified results, and also talk about traditional
projections of winners based on unofficial precinct results and how that looks today in
the COVID environment. COVID-19 might result in an increased number of absentee,
and I think we will have increased mail ballots, so a delay in the processing and
counting of those mail ballots may impact the ability for the media decision desks to
project a winner for President or other close elections. Or does it? That's the
question. That's an issue I hope the AP can address. Today, I hope that we'll foster a
discussion on what has changed and what remains the same for how results will be
reported on Election Night. I have told folks that normally you have to stay up late to find
out who might be the winner or projected to be the winner in -- for President or in close
elections. However -- 5 excuse me -- however, it is going to be a unique experience,
and I advise folks to go to sleep early and wake up on Wednesday morning and
see how the winds are blowing. In addition to those responsibilities of administering
elections, election officials are facing a lot of questions about how the counting will be
closer to the completion of the election. For many States, early voting and Election Day
will be reported significantly on Election Night. However, there will be days of counting
provisional or mail ballots that arrived at the election office either on Election Day or
shortly thereafter, so different States have different timelines and requirements. I have
faith in election officials. They are doing all they can to -- that election results will be
timely, promptly, and accurately. Accurate results are, as always, more important than
fast results. So there may be discrepancies that need to be identified right after Election
Night and addressing the canvassing of results, and this can be very important in close
elections. Again, I look forward to today's -- hearing from today's guests. Thank you, Mr.
Chair. CHAIRMAN HOVLAND: Thank you, Vice Chairman Palmer. Commissioner
Hicks, do you have any opening remarks? COMMISSIONER HICKS: 6 Yes, I do. While
election officials must prepare for Election Night reporting to take longer this year than
in past years, voters must be patient. The results presented on Election Night are not
the official results of the election, but the official results are produced shortly after.
Election officials must go through a lengthy certification canvassing logic and accuracy
testing and in some States risklimiting audit processes before the preliminary results of
the election are certified and become official. This process can seem lengthy, but it's
all part of the -- it's all in place for a very distinct purpose. I -- I'm very much looking
forward to today's guests and hearing what they have to say. And with that, I'll turn my
time back to the Chair. CHAIRMAN HOVLAND: Thank you, Commissioner Hicks.
Commissioner McCormick. COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK: Thank you, Chair. After
everything that's happened so far in 2020, it's hard to believe we're now just two weeks
from Election Day. And of course, as we speak, millions of Americans are casting their
ballots. Of course, we're all in suspense as we await the outcome of the 7 presidential
race, but also, so many of the other races that are to be decided. And hopefully, we'll
know the outcome on Election Night, but it's quite possible that we may not. As we all
know, the media plays a critical role in Election Night reporting. They're tasked with not
only reporting the available information as accurately as possible, but also must
reiterate to voters why the results may be taking longer or may seem different than in
previous election years. They also have a responsibility not to report speculative or
inaccurate information. There are famous examples of elections being called and
reported on too soon. Voters must often turn to news outlets for election results, and
now more than ever it will be incumbent on the media to explain the process of the
counting of the ballots and on any possible delays in Election Night reporting. Accurate
and honest reporting will be critical for upholding confidence in the American election
system. As voters are registering to vote and planning how to cast their ballot, we
encourage them to use only trusted sources of information. These trusted sources are
the State and local election officials. Voters and members of the press still need only
to look to these officials and the trusted and accurate information they provide for
accurate and up-to-date election results. 8 So I want to thank all of our panelists for
being here, and I also look forward to today's discussion. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
CHAIRMAN HOVLAND: Thank you, Commissioner McCormick. I'd like to now introduce
our panelists who are joining us today. The Honorable Maggie Toulouse Oliver is the
New Mexico Secretary of State and the current President of the National
Association of Secretaries of State. Welcome. We also have the Honorable Paul
Pate, the Iowa Secretary of State and immediate past President of NASS. We're also
joined by Brian Carovillano, the Vice President and Managing Editor of the
Associated Press. Thank you for being here. And finally, Nate Persily, the James B.
McClatchy Professor of Law at Stanford Law School. Among Professor Persily's
accomplishments was serving as the Research Director for the Presidential
Commission on Election Administration. So we have a great panel, and I look
forward to the discussion. So I'm going to go ahead and kick things off with Secretary
Toulouse Oliver. I mentioned in my opening remarks that Election Night results are
always unofficial. As the current Secretary of State and a formal local election official, I
was hoping that you could walk us 9 through why that is and some of the process of
finalizing and certifying the results. SECRETARY TOULOUSE OLIVER: Sure. Well, first
of all, thank you, Chairman Hovland and honorable members of the Commission, and to
my colleague Secretary Pate and our other panelists, really a pleasure and an honor to
be here with you all today with 14 days and counting till Election Day, and boy, has this
been an election year for all time. So I think you all in your remarks, your initial remarks,
sort of hit it on the nose already. Election results are always unofficial on Election Night,
and that's something that we as election officials always talk about before every
election, but usually we don't talk about it quite as much as we have this year or quite as
far out. I started talking with the media and to public interest organizations about this,
you know, starting at least a month ago. Why? Because we are seeing so many
changes because of the pandemic to how people vote, primarily a drastic increase in
voting by mail whether it's voting absentee or States even shifting to automatically
mailing out ballots to every voter. And that is just a slower process in terms of making
sure that every ballot is counted. So for one thing, on Election Night when everybody's
going to sleep and they're looking at all the results that have come in and can have a
fairly good idea of the outcome, your election officials 10 are always continuing to work
through days and weeks after Election Day. For one thing, it's important to make sure all
those initial votes are counted in the first place, right? Those ballots that come in on
Election Day or in some States even after Election Day can be received and counted,
as I think Commissioner Palmer mentioned, qualifying and counting of provisional
ballots. Your local election officials can't even start opening up and looking at those
provisional ballots deciding whether or not to qualify and count those until that initial
count has been completed. And of course, the canvass of the election process before
results are certified, which is essentially an audit that every local election official goes
through to make sure every ballot issued is equivalent to every ballot cast or spoiled or
rejected, right, to making sure that everything adds up so that we know for a fact that
the election process was conducted accurately, that the count was released accurately
to the public, and that whatever the local board is responsible for certifying those
election results or, in other words, making them official can have confidence that the
outcome is in fact correct. CHAIRMAN HOVLAND: Thank you, Secretary Toulouse
Oliver. With that, I'll turn to Mr. Carovillano. Sir, can you walk us through the AP process
for calling elections? I recently reviewed 11 some excellent information on your
website and certainly recommend to anyone who's interested, but I was hoping you
could share how the AP goes through ensuring your projections are accurate and not
prematurely calling a race. MR. CAROVILLANO: Sure. I can start by just kind of giving
an overview of AP's overall operation on elections in U.S. elections, which kind of
fits into four broad categories. We count the votes, so we gather elections data from
county and State elections officials. We compile that and then we report it via our
customers and on our own platforms. We call the races, and this year, we'll
declare winners in more than 7,000 local, State, and national campaigns, and I can
talk a little bit more about that in a sec. We also work with our partners at NORC at the
University of Chicago to conduct a massive voter survey called VoteCast, which is
not an exit poll. We no longer participate in the exit poll consortium. And then lastly, we
obviously cover the election, which means we do journalism on candidates and voters
and election security and misinformation and all the other aspects of the election.
As the Managing Editor, I am primarily involved and responsible for the latter, but I can
talk about all of these things today as much as you like. 12 Since you asked specifically
about race calling and used the word projection, let me start by saying the AP does not
do projections. We only do declarations. You might hear a network make a projection.
We do not declare a winner until we are 100 percent certain that the trailing candidate
cannot catch the leading candidate. And so that is quite a big difference. And this year,
because of all the factors that we have been talking about involving the much larger
number of early and mail-in votes, we expect that it may take much longer in a lot of
races to declare a winner than it normally does. So we have been out, you know, doing
media interviews, participating in panels like this, my colleagues and I, for months now
just trying to manage expectations in the same way that you did, Mr. Hovland, at the top
to say, you know, we have to be patient. We have come to expect in our democracy that
we will have a lot of information on Election Night that we might not have this year. And
it's really important to add to that that if certain races, closely watched races are
delayed, that is not a sign of problems. That does not mean that there's fraud. It does
not mean that the election is flawed in some way. It just means that this is a much more
complex election, and that applies to our operations on elections, but it also applies to
all of your operations on Election Nights. 13 And in some States we still don't even know
exactly how they're going to handle the large -- larger numbers of absentee and mail-in
votes, so here we are two weeks out of the election, and last night we had a key ruling
from the U.S. Supreme Court on how Pennsylvania should handle mail ballots. So I fully
expect that we'll be right up to Election Day without having the absolute clear picture on
exactly which States are going to be in which place. We also know that there are States
that have a long history of handling high volumes of mail-in votes and are prepared to
start counting those and probably will finish counting them. So there's just so many
variables heading into this election that we haven't dealt with in the past, and patience, I
think, is definitely the watchword. CHAIRMAN HOVLAND: Thank you. And I think that's
good advice. Professor Persily, you recently authored an op-ed in the Wall Street
Journal with Professor Charles Stewart where you discuss the issue of Election Night
results and official results. Can you discuss that piece and what you're seeing across
the country on this issue? MR. PERSILY: Certainly. And thank you for having me talk to
this esteemed group here. 14 I want to be clear about sort of what we will know and
when we will know it. It is -- and I think it's important to manage people's expectations.
All of us are trying to preach patience. We think that everyone should be in a mindset
where they will not know who the winner of the presidential election is on Election Night,
as we have historically. That's not necessarily going to be the case, but it's important to
sort of prepare for the worst and hope for the best here, that we will have to be patient
for results. However, whether it's the Associated Press or other media organizations, we
will have a lot of information on Election Night. And different States will be reporting
different totals at different times. And whether it's -- this -- you know, there will be the
latebreaking States, the ones that are only going to begin processing absentee ballots
on Election Day, that they will be the latest maybe to produce results, but then there will
be a lot that will report results very soon after polls close. And from the data that we get
from those early reporting States, we will have a good idea about which way the winds
are going. And I think the important thing here is that we shouldn't assume that there's
going to be some kind of information vacuum into which the sort of malicious actors can
spread disinformation about who's won if it's too premature. There's going to be a lot of
information from places like Florida that have started processing 15 ballots already,
places like North Carolina, Maine, New Hampshire, several others, Texas. And from
those States, we'll get a sense of the trends. Now, if this election is like the same -- the
election was four years ago, let alone if it's like the 2000 election, well, then we're in for
the long haul. And by the long haul means that we particularly would wait for the
absentee ballots to be counted in States like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin
and possible litigation that would accompany that. But it's too soon to sort of predict
that. And it's important for us to sort of keep our antenna up on Election Night to look at
not just the fully or nearly fully reported States, but also the nearly fully reported
counties in the States that are not yet fully counted. And from that data we'll get a lot of
good ideas as to who might have won. CHAIRMAN HOVLAND: Thank you very much. I
want to turn it over to Vice Chair Palmer for questions. VICE CHAIR PALMER: Sure.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I guess my initial question for the Secretaries, you know, there
will be increased mail or absentee ballots, and, you know, I guess -- you know, I know a
lot of States are adding additional resources on the back end to sort of process prior to
or on Election 16 Day and it can be very -- you know, it can be very tiring on Election
Day and then have to delve into also processing and tabulating absentee. Sort of what
are your plans in your States and sort of how have you addressed perhaps the shift in
duties and work and, you know, if you know some other States are handling it, different
laws, you know, require different reporting regimens, but how are the States and
localities handling how they will be reporting what they receive on Election Night?
SECRETARY PATE: I'd like to thank the Commissioners for putting this together, and
I'm very honored to be on this panel. But I'd just say that, you know, we're making all the
accommodations we can to work through this. I can speak for Iowa. We learned a great
deal from the primary alone and what we had to do to adjust for all the challenges. And
if COVID wasn't enough, we had our own little hurricane come through Iowa, so we're
faced with challenges on polling locations and along those lines. But the CARES Act
funding helped a lot because with those funds we were able to get those to the
counties, the local level, so they could buy the additional equipment they might need for
the tabulation because, you know, we saw the high uptick in the primary for absentee
balloting, so we knew we needed to have the best equipment possible to make sure we
could get those 17 processed. It also covered the cost of additional staff and overtime
that might be involved, so those are all pieces of it. But in our case our State law allows
the local election folks the day before the election on the 2nd to start processing and
putting the ballots through the counter, if you will. But I went and -- to our legislature and
asked for an emergency directive to allow them to start the process on Saturday,
actually, to be able to get a head start on -- at least getting the envelopes opened and
some of the time-consuming tasks done. This is weed stuff nobody wants to talk about
it, but it is the thing that slows it down so that nine o'clock at night when we close off the
voting, those ballots are ready to go, particularly when you're looking at, in our case,
800,000 folks who are requesting absentee ballots right now in Iowa alone. We'll have
those counted, so we won't be looking at, you know, days and days later. Let's
recognize if I could say for a moment here elections are getting tighter and tighter
victory margins. That makes it -- the pressure on us to make sure we're accurate as we
come out of the chutes with our results. And I think Maggie will agree with me. I know
my auditors and us are on the same page and that is we don't call a race here. That's
the media's job. Our job is just to make sure every ballot is counted and is counted
correctly, so that's the 18 pressure we have. And working with making sure that they
have those resources is what we're doing and we're focusing on. And I don't plan on
being up till the wee hours of the morning Election Night myself, but I'm confident we're
going to have our numbers in. And some of my colleagues in other States, they've got a
bigger, steeper hill to climb, and I recognize that, so we've got to be patient for them.
And I appreciate all the comments here so far echoing that as we go into the election.
SECRETARY TOULOUSE OLIVER: We've done a lot of the same in New Mexico that
Secretary Pate and his colleagues have done in Iowa. We've backed up the processing
time for absentee ballots. We are also starting this Saturday with the process of
counting those absentee ballots that are coming in at a record pace. We've used
CARES Act funding to help outfit our county clerks' offices with the equipment they
need, the extra staffing they need, particularly in this time of COVID when so many of
the traditional folks who help work elections are, you know, in the high exposure risk
group for COVID. And we also backed up the deadline to apply for an absentee ballot,
working together with the Postal Service to understand what their limitations are, what
their best practices are, seven-day period to mail any piece of mail one way or the
other. So today is actually our deadline here in New Mexico to apply for 19 that
absentee ballot so our clerks can get it in the mail no later than tomorrow. We're urging
everybody to get those ballots in as quickly as they can, and we've expanded the drop-
off capacity at every single polling place throughout the State because we don't want,
you know, a vast number coming in at the last minute on Election Day. But we also
introduced a little humanity into our process here, and we are seeing the process of
counting ballots is going to draw to a close at 11:30 on Election Night recognizing, as
you said, Commissioner Palmer, the exhaustion level. That's when you begin to insert
human error and mistakes and allowing folks to get a good night's sleep and come back
the next morning to continue the process. You know, States -- other States have done
what Iowa and New Mexico have, rolling their processes, backing their processes up on
the front end so they can start the process sooner. States like Michigan, Secretary
Benson there got at least an extra day in advance of Election Day to begin processing
her ballots. But as Secretary Pate said, we know a lot of States are really -- they have
their hands tied by their statutes about when they can start, and so it's those States, of
course, that, especially as Secretary Pate said, if there's a close race that, you know, all
eyes are going to be on in the ensuing days. 20 VICE CHAIR PALMER: Thank you. I
have a question for the AP, Brian Carovillano. You know, there have been over the
years some criticisms of the exit polls, and you noted -- and I didn't know the specifics
until I was reading some of the materials. And could you tell us a little bit about Vote
Cast and how that's a little bit different? And how do you -- you know, how does that
work into your model of projection? I think that's important for folks that have been doing
this for a while but don't quite understand how exit polls have worked in the past and
what VoteCast of the polling is doing for you now. MR. CAROVILLANO: Sure. I would
just add on what Secretary Pate was saying before about, you know, weed stuff. You'd
be surprised at how interested people are in weed stuff in this election. [Laughter] MR.
CAROVILLANO: You know, we've been doing a lot of explanatory reporting just to try
and help people to understand what's different and what's happening. And the level of
engagement in those stories is like off the charts. So, you know, things like, you know,
when will the envelopes being opened I think would have been weed stuff in any other
election. This year, it actually is something that people are pretty interested in. 21 Yeah,
so on the question of VoteCast and exit polling, so the AP was part of a coalition up
through the 2016 election -- and that coalition still exists; we're just not part of it
anymore -- which included the U.S. networks to do exit polling outside polling locations
in all 50 States to gather information from people about who they voted for and also why
they voted the way they did. I mean, I think one of the untold stories about exit polling,
in general, is that it's usually a lot more valuable after Election Day in terms of
understanding the trends and how people voted and why they voted the way they did
and, you know, what groups went this way, what groups went that way, and asking
detailed questions about it. But the AP pulled out of the NEP and parted ways with the
exit poll coalition because we felt that exit polling no longer had the value it once did in
helping to call elections and understand the electorate because of the way that people
vote. So already by 2016, as you all know, obviously, a large percentage of ballots cast
in the presidential election were not cast at polling places on Election Day. And now
we're going to see a huge increase in that because of all the reasons that we've been
talking about, so that really creates a lot of limitations because you're already missing,
you know, in 2016, 40 percent of the electorate, and in this election 22 by some
estimates up to 60 percent of the electorate, and so it really doesn't paint you a very
complete picture of voter behavior. And so, we partnered with NORC, which is a public
research outfit at the University of Chicago -- which is not strictly a political polling
operation, which is an important point here -- to create essentially a new alternative to
exit polling, which is called VoteCast. And what VoteCast does is it tries to reach voters
where they actually are, so it uses phone, online, and actual mail surveys to survey a
very large number of people across all 50 States in the days leading up to and on
Election Day itself. This year, we expect to get about 140,000 surveys back. And so,
heading into this election with all of the uncertainties around the number of mail votes
and how people are going to vote and everything, it turns out to be a much more
effective way to reach a much broader cross-section and a much more complete cross-
section of voters, so we hope and expect that we're going to get a pretty rich mosaic of
how people voted and the way that they voted. But again, since we don't do projections
in close elections, VoteCast is but one data point that we're looking at as we're calling
races. And there's nothing more important than actual vote, especially when we get into
the closer elections. I mean, there are States where I think we know the outcome of a
presidential or 23 senatorial or House election already, and then there are States where
we really won't know. And VoteCast is just one of many data points that we're looking
at, along with historical voter behavior, the early vote and how that broke down, and
then of course actual vote. And there's no substitute for actual vote. And so, when we
get down to the handful of States that are really going to decide this election, VoteCast
is of limited use. But what it is really useful for is in the days and weeks and months and
even years afterward really understanding what were the issues that people -- that
brought people out to vote this year, why did they choose the candidates they chose, to
break that down demographically, look at it regionally, and, you know, it gives us a
really, really rich amount of information that we'll be reporting for years after the
election. VICE CHAIR PALMER: Thank you. A real quick question for Professor Persily.
You know, I think I interpret your comments as sort of like what happened in 2000 is,
you know, I think that we could be in for weeks of a recount situation if it's so close
that's in a battleground State. You know, at the time -- and I think Secretary Toulouse
Oliver will appreciate, in 2000 the New Mexico race was like razor thin, but it didn't have
the attention because it wasn't going to decide the race for President, so it didn't go
weeks. And of course 24 then the litigation got involved in Florida. But is that sort of
what you're saying is that we may have results in the day or two after the election
unless one of the key battleground States is sort of so close that we have to go through
recount that could involve litigation? MR. PERSILY: Well, that's right. I think that, you
know, we're seeing this already, that there's a considerable amount of pre-election
litigation. And I guess the way to put it is if we have a replay of 2000 where it does come
down to one or a few of these Midwestern battleground States with a lot of absentee
balloting, we should expect there to be considerable disputes over those absentee
ballots. And so, assuming -- look, as you know, the election administrator's prayer is,
oh, God, whatever happens, please don't let it be close, right? And if it is a close
election, then all of the sort of contentiousness that we've seen over absentee ballots
will then come into full bloom into court. I have actually behind me my Palm Beach
butterfly ballot machine. I wouldn't say it's a good luck charm. It's a historical reminder of
what we went through 20 years ago. But, yes, if it's close, you know, and one State is
dispositive, we should expect everyone to be going into court. But since there's been so
much conflict between the campaigns over absentee 25 balloting, I think that if it does
come down to one State and the absentee ballots in those States, I mean, it could be
still a substantial number of votes that would be in that middle category of being
contested that then would -- know, it would delay the counting considerably. VICE
CHAIR PALMER: Thank you, Nate. Mr. Chair, I'll hand it back to you. CHAIRMAN
HOVLAND: Thanks, Vice Chair Palmer. Commissioner Hicks, do you have questions?
COMMISSIONER HICKS: Yes, I do. Thank you. I want to thank everyone for being here
today, and I want to go on a little bit about what Vice Chair Palmer was talking about a
little bit there, as well, particularly to the Secretaries. If the results are extremely close,
what are your plans to get the information out to voters to be patient basically and rely
on you as the trusted source of information? I think back to 2000 with Florida, as Vice
Chair Palmer had said. Was it -- Florida wasn't the closest race; it was New Mexico with
basically 633 votes, but we didn't hear much about New Mexico because of the way that
they did the recounts, and so forth. But the final results were not in until November 17th.
26 So how do we keep people calm for those -- that -- you know, that time frame?
SECRETARY TOULOUSE OLIVER: Well, thanks for that question, Commissioner. First
of all, we have done a lot of good work here in New Mexico to improve our overall
administration of elections. I was a baby undergraduate student working for the
Democratic Coordinated Campaign back then, and the most I could do was just, you
know, go to the county voting machine warehouse and get sworn in and, you know, sort
of help the process along. But, you know, we -- one of the things that we have done
since then, of course is, you know, between HAVA and, you know, the work we've done
here at the State levels, we now have a unified, you know, reporting system at the State
level. All local election results get reported up to our centralized State reporting system.
And a feature of our system is that we actually flag, for voters, the close races,
particularly those -- we have an automatic recount law here in New Mexico that, you
know, if a certain race is within a certain margin, it will automatically go to recount no
matter what, you know, once the results are certified. We will flag those races as the
night progresses and as the unofficial count progresses, so that you could go to our
website at any point and look up any race that's flagged as a possible recount. Of
course, 27 you know, that's just informational. It's not official until the State Board of
Canvass orders it to be official. So that's one way. We are also working on a system to
ensure -- with our election management system that we use in the State, we'll know
exactly how many absentee ballots are still outstanding, how many have come back,
how many have been rejected, what is still left to count. We'll be able to report those
numbers to them as well, so that, you know, if you can do a little rudimentary math, you
can make a determination as to whether, you know, the outstanding ballots are greater
or less than the number of -- you know, the margin of error in the race. So, we're hoping
all of that information and just being proactive in helping get it out there to the public is
going to help. But I agree. You know, I definitely don't want New Mexico to be in a
position of saying thank God for Florida like we were in 2000 -- [Laughter] SECRETARY
TOULOUSE OLIVER: -- and, you know, that's what we're trying to avoid here.
SECRETARY PATE: I don't know how to follow that one. I agree. We're all very focused
on this one, Commissioner. And the media has definitely shown a significant interest
nationally. My staff here gets calls on a 28 regular basis asking the same question, you
know, what are you going to do? Iowa is a purple State so, you know, when you look at
Election Night, which way will they fall? And we want to know right away. As I said
earlier, you know, our roles as commissioners of elections in our States isn't to call the
race. We're here to make sure that the ballots are counted and that they're counted
correctly. But we do try to set reasonable expectations, and that's what we're doing right
now. We're spending a lot of time, you know, reaching out to the media. Today, for an
example, I think I have at least eight or ten Zoom outreaches to media just telling them
just exactly what we're discussing right now, but I have to do it in such a way that it
doesn't look like it's a problem, because it's not. It's actual reality. This is just the way it
works. You know, there are a lot of votes being cast, we want to make sure we get it
right. We have postelection audits in Iowa. We have, of course, a lot of other checks
and balances in line to ensure that we are getting that accuracy. But this isn't new. I
mean, in our State on a regular basis we have many legislative races that are won and
lost by less than 100 votes, so we have to be very careful on those razor thin margins
that you're looking at. And there are State Houses that are up -- that are very significant.
You know, losing their House or Senate are just as important. Congressional races as
well, so it is a domino effect when you start looking at all the 29 races from the local
level right up to the presidency. So, we are going to continue to educate and
communicate to the public on this front. And the last thing that any of us want to do is
give them the wrong information, because walking it back is really dangerous and really
hard to do. So, I would much rather tell the media no comment or we don't have the
answer yet, we'll get it to you and give them a reasonable timeline, and that's safer in
the end. We don't -- we do not want to be walking it back. And Maggie can attest to this.
You know, her role as President of NASS is working with all of us in our different
systems we might have in our States, but we share the same common goal on
Election Night, and that is getting the information out there, the accurate information
out there, and making sure voters are comfortable that the system is working the way
it's supposed to. COMMISSIONER HICKS: Great. Thank you both. Brian, I just have a
quick question of how can people get the information from the AP? And so, I know, you
know, if you go to the website, yes, but if -- if I want local information, how do I get local
information? And the reason I ask is because I'm viewing the AP as a trusted source.
Both Secretaries, back in February, were part of the NASS conference and were part of
the trusted source 30 campaign with this poster that I have behind me, and so I just
wanted to know, you know, as the AP is looked at looked at as a trusted source,
how do I get local information as opposed to the national races? MR. CAROVILLANO:
Yeah, we are primarily a wholesaler of news and information, and so most U.S. news
organizations are members of the AP and get AP's vote count and race call
information. So if you're looking at your local newspaper website on Election Night, the
chances are that they are using AP's data and the data that is displayed there, which is
coming, again, from, you know, county election offices and from Secretaries of State,
but distributed by the AP, is ending up on local news sites all across the country, and
there are about 3,000 U.S. members, as well as thousands of -- outside the U.S.
organizations that also rely on us for that information. We also have consumer-facing
platforms called APnews.com and the AP news mobile app where you can drill as
deep as you want. You can find very granular local information on there and so -- if
you're interested in what's happening in your local State legislative race. You can also
find it by coming to the AP's platform. But we tend to point people to their local news site
because there's also a lot of coverage and context around those 31 races that we just
can't get that local. So, you know, your local newspaper is not only going to be able to
provide you local data, but they're also covering those races and can put context
around, you know, what we do and don't know about the information that's available so
far. So, you know, that's important. I think in this election it's also incredibly important to
say what we don't know and to be very transparent about what the information we have
tells us and what it doesn't tell us. I already mentioned this once, but I'll say it again.
This is a time for explanatory journalism, which is maybe not the sexiest form of
journalism, but it's the type of journalism where we explain what's happening, why it's
happening, and why it matters in very simple and accessible terms, and we've been
doing a lot of that. I expect we will be doing even more of that in the two weeks ahead
and certainly on Election Day and the immediate aftermath as we just try and explain to
people and give them some -- you know, some easily accessible information about what
we know, what we don't know, you know, what are the questions that still need to be
answered, and how long do we expect it to take to answer those questions.
COMMISSIONER HICKS: Great. The follow-up that I have to that is the down ballot
races, do you -- when you do the VoteCast for information on that, 32 is it a way to
figure out why people don't vote or do vote in the down ballot races as well? MR.
CAROVILLANO: I don't have the survey in front of me. That's a good question. I believe
the answer is yes, but I'd have to look at the survey and see what we're asking about
whether people do or don't vote in down ballot races and why. But understanding the
nonvoter is definitely one of the goals of this whole -- COMMISSIONER HICKS: I'm
fascinated, yeah. MR. CAROVILLANO: It's a third or more of the electorate in any U.S.
election, and so understanding why people don't vote and what their motivations are for
not voting is one of the things that we try to get at. So -- COMMISSIONER HICKS:
Great. Great. Nate, one quick question for you. Do you see any -- it might not be quick -
- but it's the -- do you see parallels between 2000 and 2020, in terms of the way that the
election has gone so far? MR. PERSILY: No, I mean, I think that no one could have
predicted in 2000 that it would end the way that it did. In some ways, right now, we are
in a better position in predicting what the areas of concern may 33 be even if there are
so many moving parts. And so, obviously the shift to early and absentee voting is the
thing that people are most focusing on, but we don't know what's going to happen in
polling places on Election Day, for example. But, you know, as I'm sure the election
officials on the call would agree, one of the most important things is that we have clear
rules in place for this election before Election Day. Hopefully, the remaining courts that
are adjudicating various controversies will get their decisions out soon, but that means
that some of the rules with respect to deadlines for ballots or witness signatures and the
like, those are the legal issues that are crystallizing right now, and so I think that we -- if
we are in a postelection litigation situation, that that's -- that makes this a little bit
different than Florida in 2000. But we've also made a lot of changes in the electoral
system since the 2000 election, and I think that we all, you know, recognize that this is
not an election that's going to be decided by dangling chads or the like, but it's one that
-- where absentee ballots would be a pretty important factor in who wins.
COMMISSIONER HICKS: Great. Thank you. Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN HOVLAND:
Thank you, Commissioner Hicks. Commissioner McCormick, do you have questions?
34 COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK: I do. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Secretary
Toulouse Oliver, I know we've touched on getting into the weeds and opening
envelopes. And for those who don't know, what exactly is the process and the timeline
for counting mail-in or returned paper ballots? And why does it take so long?
SECRETARY TOULOUSE OLIVER: Thanks for the question, Commissioner. And
obviously it looks a little bit different in every State. The requirements are a little bit
different, the timelines are a little bit different, but fundamentally, you know, the process
is the same in that, you know, most jurisdictions use a combination of technology and
humans to do this process. You know, when you go and vote on Election Day and you
get your ballot or use a direct recording machine, you, you know, fill out your vote and
the machine tabulates it right there on the spot, and so, all an election official has to do
once those polls are closed is turn off the machine and print the tapes or the report and
get that memory card over to the local election official to be, you know, aggregated and
counted and put out on websites. But with mail-in ballots, there are always requirements
for voters to provide information with that ballot, whether it be as simple as just a
signature that needs to be verified, using, you 35 know, voter verification software or
human eyes, a combination of both, whether it's other information, a birth date, in my
State the last four digits of the Social Security number, some other kind of information.
States require notaries or witness signatures, right, so verifying that all of that
information is in place before a ballot envelope can be opened. And then, in every place
where you have a mail-in ballot, you have an outer envelope that has that identifying
information, so before it's even opened, you can make sure that you've got the ballot
from the person who is representing themselves to be the voter. And then, you've got to
separate that outer envelope from an inner envelope that's protecting the privacy of the
ballot. And you have to do that in a systematic way. You can't do it both at the same
time because then you're compromising the privacy of the ballot, of the voter's choices.
So you first have to separate those inners from those outers and get those
completely put into a different pile, and then you have to go about removing the inner
-- the ballot from the inner envelope and get those separated, get them straightened
out, flattened out, whatever you have to do in some places. Then you begin feeding
them through the machine to be scanned. That takes a while. If there's an overvote, let's
say, or a mistake or a stray mark on a ballot, either -- either computers or 36 humans or
both need to try to determine how the vote was cast, right? So, it's not the quick, simple
in many cases in-and-out process, and that is why it takes so long. And as we
mentioned earlier, Commissioner, it's also a matter of when can you start, right,
because, you know, early votes or Election Day votes, you know, those votes are being
counted as you go along and added to the totals, but if you cannot start even opening
those ballots until Election Day or the day before, obviously, that creates a bottleneck
and it makes the process longer. COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK: And take that
process and multiply it by thousands or hundreds of thousands of ballots, sometimes
truckloads of ballots, and we understand why it might take long. SECRETARY
TOULOUSE OLIVER: That's right. COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK: Yeah. So, Brian,
can you tell me how you declare a winner, what factors you use in declaring a winner
when you might not have all the precinct data in yet? I read something about you even
take into consideration the impact of outside money on a race. So, I found that kind of
interesting and I wondered how that -- those factors, you know, enter into your
declaration of winners. 37 MR. CAROVILLANO: That's not one of the factors usually.
COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK: Oh, it isn't? MR. CAROVILLANO: We look --
COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK: Okay. MR. CAROVILLANO: Yeah, we're looking at
historical voting patterns. You know, we're looking geographically at areas where there's
outstanding vote and how those places have voted historically. We are looking at the
VoteCast survey as another input. But primarily, we're looking at the actual vote as it
comes in and those unofficial election results and looking for basically a balance among
those data sets that gets us to a point where we are confident that the trailing candidate
can no longer catch the leading candidate, and that's the point at which we would
declare a winner of the race. COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK: And given that the
apparent expanded turnout in early voting this year, how does that impact the historical
data in declaring a winner? I mean, does that change the calculus at all? MR.
CAROVILLANO: 38 It does change the calculus, especially in terms of timing. You
know, we get pretty good data from all of you about the complexion of the early vote,
how much early vote and, you know, what is the party affiliation of the people who have
requested ballots in States that require that or who have voted, and those are all -- you
know, those are all inputs that go into the process of calling the race. In this case,
because it's going to be such a high percentage, that's going to be a bigger factor than it
is in the past and, you know, one of the reasons why it may take longer to get to a
declaration in races that are close. COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK: Thank you.
Professor Persily, what happens if we don't have certified electors, say, by December
8th? I know we're kind of jumping the shark there a little bit, but, you know, what is the
process? I mean, what can voters expect if we don't know what the results are? MR.
PERSILY: Well, the question is whether December 8th or December 14th is the magical
date here. COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK: Right. MR. PERSILY: 39 So, let's start with
the -- why you mentioned that date, which is that under the Electoral Count Act, it says
that if a slate of electors has been chosen by a process in place before that date, that
then that becomes the presumptive slate for the electoral college. We -- the short
answer is we don't really know what will happen and the role of the State legislatures
and the courts and the Governor and then ultimately, Congress. But just to put the legal
machinery out there, right, in the event -- there is a question as to by what date do you
have to have the electors essentially vote? That's December 14th, right, that they have
to have voted by then, the electoral slate. And then on January 6th, the -- in Congress,
they would open up -- Vice President Pence would preside over the preceding that
would open the certificates of the electoral -- of the electoral slates. Now, the question is
if there is no electoral slate coming from a State, what does that mean? And that is not -
- that doesn't stop the process, but it depends whether Congress itself would be
adjudicating controversies over electoral slates, right? When there's a process in the
Constitution where both houses participate. If there is -- if the failure to have an electoral
slate be part of the -- the certificate doesn't arrive in Congress, then there's a question
as to whether either candidate has won a majority of the electors, in 40 which case then
there's a process in the Constitution where the House of Representatives votes by State
in order to decide that. So, you know, it's -- we've never tested -- we've never sort of
kicked the tires on the Electoral Count Act process, and no doubt the courts would be
intimately involved both in the run-up to that in the event that we don't have a victor, as
well as afterwards if there are competing slates of electors. I hope that answers your -- I
could certainly go into greater detail. COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK: It sounds very
complicated, and I hope we don't get there actually. We're hoping we actually do have
an answer on Election Night or shortly thereafter, so -- but I -- just out of curiosity
because a lot of people have been asking me, you know, what happens if we don't
know? So, you know -- MR. PERSILY: Right, and so the question is whether -- so the
Constitution says that each State shall in a manner determined the legislature thereof
appoint a number of electors, so there's constitutional power vested in the State
legislature. However, the Electoral Count Act gives sort of presumption to slates of
electors that were determined on -- by that date, and then, also the certificate that is 41
signed by the Governor is then given presumptive validity when it comes to the electoral
college. But what you ask is also suppose none of that happens, that we don't actually
have any electors coming from a State, and then that doesn't prevent us from deciding
who a President is, but then it depends on how many electors each candidate has
garnered. COMMISSIONER MCCORMICK: I think it's interesting that this year -- I
mean, I've been in this business for many, many years, but this year -- and I think Mr.
Carovillano mentioned this -- voters are intimately interested in these questions, and
they haven't been in the past, so I think it's really an interesting year. And the voters are
very curious about what the process is and how we're going to get there. And, you
know, I think it's important that we all put the right information out, because there is a lot
of confusion over, you know, what this process is. It's a lot more complicated than folks
realize. So, thank you. Mr. Chair, I'll return it back to you. I know we don't have a lot of
time left. CHAIRMAN HOVLAND: Thank you, Commissioner McCormick. That is right,
we are getting close, but you did just hit on something I want to give the Secretaries a
chance to talk about. 42 You know, there is some confusion out there, but certainly we
at the EAC have been proud to participate in the #TrustedInfo2020 effort that the
Secretaries led. Obviously, there's an intersection here. You know, certainly some of the
concerns around Election Night reporting are the potential for disinformation in this
space. And so, Secretary Pate, Secretary Oliver, if you could talk a little bit about that
and why it's so important for people to get that trusted source information from their
local and State election officials. SECRETARY PATE: Well, we thought it was
important, as Secretaries, during my term as President to get out ahead of this. It's --
obviously, it's a very serious problem we're facing, and it's not just going to go away by
itself. And it's not one we can just quickly resolve because we have a thing called
freedom of speech, so balancing out freedom of speech with misinformation and
disinformation, who's going to be the referee? Who's going to decide is that? So, we
take the initiative by at least dealing with the technical side. We want to make sure that
anything that's being put out there that's misrepresenting that fact, we want you to
know, as a voter, you can go to your Secretary of State or you can go to your local
county auditor to get the hard facts. 43 I wish there was an easy answer for some of
those other things that come up about candidates and their positions and all that stuff,
but that's another battle. But right now, you know, we face things like people posting
misinformation out there about, you know, long lines at polling sites, or frankly, right
now, the one that concerns me is we're seeing a lot of this stuff going out there about
planning to see that there's going to be civil unrest at the polling sites this election cycle.
That makes me uncomfortable. And I don't want to sit here and say it can't happen, but
by planting that out there, now you've created another problem that isn't really there,
and we need to be staying ahead of that. During the primary, we were faced in Iowa
with questions about civil unrest, you know, was it going to impact polling locations
because protesters might be there or will it inhibit how we get the votes all back to the
courthouse to count them if people are out protesting, some of the things that we have
to work as Secretaries to be -- stay ahead of. And we utilize social media just like
everybody else doing programs like this. We want to make sure we're ahead of it. So
that's definitely not going away, and I'm not even touching on the fact that we've got
people in Russia and China and Iran who are pushing this one just as aggressively as
sometimes 44 the campaign candidates themselves can get out ahead of it and cause
some issues. SECRETARY TOULOUSE OLIVER: Yeah, I would just echo everything
that Secretary Pate just said and thank him as well for, you know, his leadership during
his presidency of NASS, sort of bringing this campaign to fruition and, you know, kind of
handing the baton over me to continue it forward. Everything that he just described is
exactly what we're all sort of dealing with in our daily lives as election administrators.
One thing that I just want to add to what Secretary Pate said is that it has been really
helpful to begin close working relationship with and communication with the social
media platforms. That was my kiddo. We're between classes, so he hasn't learned the
rule yet, don't interrupt Mom when she's on a Zoom, but hey, here we are. [Laughter]
SECRETARY TOULOUSE OLIVER: But the social media platforms have been
particularly helpful in, you know, working with -- working together with election officials,
so we had a perfect example sort of, you know, the exact thing you would not want to
see circulating on social media here a couple weeks ago. You know, the Governor's
going to close all the polling places on October 15th, so get out and vote now before,
you know, 45 you lose your chance to vote in person, of course was totally untrue, had
no basis in fact. It had already circulated, been shared about 200 times. But once we
got wind of it, contacted Facebook right away, they took the post down right away. And
then, as Secretary Pate said, we were able to engage our social media and put out a
misinformation alert by the next day. That had circulated around about 1,500 times
already, you know, the counternarrative of, this is incorrect information and go to your
trusted sources. But when I -- one thing I am deeply learning this election that I've
learned before, and many of us have, is that old saying that, you know, a lie is spread
around the world, you know, while the truth is still getting its clothes on in the morning.
And, you know, this is the challenge is being able to react quickly and take it down
quickly and combat it. But, you know, this is something we're going to have to continue
to contend with over the long term, I believe. CHAIRMAN HOVLAND: Well, thank you
for that. It's certainly an important piece of this discussion. Sadly, we are running out of
time. We could probably talk about this all day. But I want to thank our panelists again
for taking the time to join us today for this discussion. 46 For those of you who are
joining us virtually, I hope this conversation was helpful for what to expect as we get
closer to November 3rd. This is an incredibly busy time of year, particularly for our
election officials who joined us today and all those working at the State and local level
across the country. I'd like to thank all the officials who have been working tirelessly to
serve voters this year. Administering elections too often is a thankless job, and 2020
has been a true test. So, on behalf of myself, the EAC Commissioners, and the staff,
thank you to all the State and local election officials and poll workers who are on the
ground making sure elections are safe, secure, accessible, and accurate. Please
remember this year the importance of being a prepared, participating, and patient voter,
and please rely on and share trusted source voting information as we enter the last
days before Election Day. Thank you all for joining us. *** [The Virtual Public Hearing of
the United States Election Assistance Commission adjourned at 2:30 p.m.] bw/cms

From https://www.eac.gov/news :
Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council Executive
Committee
October 22, 2020
For Immediate Release
Learn More

their statement – warning against claiming fraud ?

Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council

Executive Committee

www.eac.gov – an organization established by Kay Stimson….

1 min read

October 22, 2020

For Immediate Release
Silver Spring, MD - The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency Assistant
Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Ben Hovland,
National Association of Secretaries of State President and New Mexico Secretary of
State Maggie Toulouse Oliver, National Association of State Election Directors
President and Washington Director of Elections Lori Augino, and Escambia County
Supervisor of Elections David Stafford—all members of the Government Coordinating
Council Executive Committee—issued the following statement:
“Last night’s announcement by Director of National Intelligence and the Federal Bureau
of Investigation should serve as an important reminder that we must remain steadfast in
our efforts to secure America’s elections. Since 2016, federal, state, and local
partners have worked to prepare for the November 3, 2020 General Election.
While this year has thrown unprecedented obstacles in our way, the entire election
community stands ready for the task ahead and united in our goal to protect our
democracy from interference.
Americans, however, must remain diligent: rely on trusted sources – your state and
local election officials – for information about the upcoming election. Only share
information from those trusted sources. Encourage others to look to those sources for
information about the election. Election officials have invested time and money in
securing election systems and equipment, but the last line of defense is the trust of the
American people.
We are committed to making sure that American voters determine the outcome of the
election. Be prepared for attempts to confuse or misinform; be prepared before casting
your ballot; and be prepared for foreign efforts aimed at sowing division and
undermining the legitimacy of the election. An informed public is the best
defense we have to #Protect2020.”

2023 UPDATE - INSERT:

to demonstrate the Dominion system corruption and the part
Kay Stimson has played thru to 2023….

We include the full text (for preservation against

“scrubbing”)of this 2020 article from
https://www.westernjournal.com/dominion-voting-
systems-lawyers-backs-oversight-hearing-last-
minute/ LINK: (above)
HEADER:

Text:

… Dominion Voting Systems Lawyers Up, Backs Out of

Oversight Hearing at Last Minute

The company that makes many of the voting

machines used in this year’s controversial election
said yes and then no when asked to sit down with
Pennsylvania lawmakers to answer questions
about the company’s machines.
Dominion’s machines, which have a history of
concerns, were used in many counties in
Pennsylvania. President Donald Trump has
questioned whether the machines were a factor in
the apparent election of Democrat Joe Biden.

People are not going to stand for having this

Election stolen from them by a privately owned
Radical Left company, Dominion, and many other
reasons! https://t.co/RMOa4jKZwA

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November

14, 2020

Now it is learned that the horrendous Dominion

Voting System was used in Arizona (and big in
Nevada). No wonder the result was a very close
loss!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November

13, 2020

While there have been multiple alleged instances

of voting irregularities in multiple states, proof
has yet to surface of widespread nefarious activity
that affected the final results of the presidential
election.

To get to the bottom of the issue, Republican state

Rep. Seth Grove, acting chairman of the State
Government Committee, said the company
had pulled out of a scheduled appearance before
his panel.
“The members of the state government committee
were looking forward to publicly addressing the
plethora of accusations of Dominion Voting
Systems in a format which would have allowed
open and honest dialogue. I was impressed at what
appeared to be the willingness of Dominion Voting
Systems to address accusations, and it would have
put the 1.3 million Pennsylvanians who used their
machines at ease, including myself,” he said Nov.
20, according to The Epoch Times.

“Unfortunately, last evening, Dominion Voting

Systems lawyered up and backed out of their
commitment,” he said.

Video of today’s #PAHouse State Govt Cmte press

conference after Dominion Voting Systems abruptly
canceled its appearance at a hearing planned for
this AM.

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WATCH: https://t.co/yHaJabKp2Z pic.twitter.com/
kN9WGuFalX

— PA House Republicans
(@PAHouseGOP) November 20, 2020

Grove said the turnabout does not look good for

the embattled company.

“Instead of running towards the light of honesty

and integrity, Dominion Voting Systems retreated
to the darkness. Why? Why would a vendor of
public goods fear discussing their products sold to
the public for the public good?” Grove said.

“If Dominion’s products were successful and

operated as they were supposed to, why wouldn’t
Dominion take the opportunity to publicly review
its success? How hard is it to say, ‘our ballot
machines worked exactly as promised, and they
are 100 percent accurate?’”

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In a video posted to his Facebook page, Grove said

that he had been looking forward to what he called
an “open forum discussion” to discuss the veracity
of claims that the machines themselves might be
part of the widespread irregularities noted in the
election.

“They walked away from the table. There was no

reason for them to do that,” he said, noting that no
legal action against the coming is on the horizon.

“If you’re not litigated, and we ask you to come

before us, we expect you to fulfill your promise
and come before us to address the questions that
people have,” he said.
“It’s not going to change the outcome, but we need
to know what happened. Dominion is part of that.
There are broad accusations, I didn’t say they were
true. I didn’t validate any of those accusations. We
wanted to give them the opportunity to address
them. They chose not to. Why?”

“It adds more skeptical issues with our

constituents moving forward,” he said.

Kay Stimson, Dominion’s vice president of

government affairs, explained the change in a
statement, saying the company did at first agree to
the hearing.

“However, that conversation was overshadowed

yesterday by threats of litigation coming towards
our company during a national press conference,”
she said. “As we await the opportunity to debunk
the baseless conspiracy theories being offered
about Dominion and its voting systems in a court
of law, we had to ask for a postponement of the
discussion. Notably, our company doesn’t even
support Philadelphia, or some of the other
jurisdictions being targeted by attorneys in their
remarks.”

Republican state Rep. Dawn Keefer said Dominion

was offered a chance “to demonstrate who they
were, the services they were providing, the
products that they were selling us and how they
 were being utilized, and give the voters the
confidence that they’re looking for.”

“My job is to figure out what happened and how

we do it better,” Grove said, according to
the Beaver County Times. “If they have nothing to
hide, why are they hiding from us?”

Grove said that he was “mad and frustrated” the

panel could not put any allegations to rest.

“I want it off the table so we can focus on the

actual election process administration and laws of
the commonwealth,” Grove said.

“That’s my focus. I can’t get there with all this

other noise and sound out there.”

5 things

1/ : Kay Stimson is Chair of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Election

Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council for election industry providers. She is a 20+-
year veteran of election administration, having represented both the U.S. Election Assistance
Commission and the National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS) in media and
government relations positions. She also served as the White House and congressional affairs
liaison for the 2005 Presidential Commission on Election Reform. Kay has worked on a number
of major election initiatives in the U.S., including the creation and passage of the Help America
Vote Act of 2002 and the initial formation of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission.
Follow Kay on Twitter
Twitter:
https://twitter.com/dominionvoting

above from: https://www.rsaconference.com/experts/kay-stimson

2/ What is RSAC:

[PDF]

By Kay Stimson
knowledgecenter.csg.org/kc/system/files/Stimson 2015.pdf
Kay Stimson is director of communications and special projects for the National Association of
Secretaries of State in Washington, D.C. A former television news reporter who covered the state
legislatures in Maryland and South Carolina,

2/ Kay Stimson | RSA Conference

https://www.rsaconference.com/experts/kay-stimson
Kay Stimson is Chair of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Election Infrastructure Sector
Coordinating Council for election industry providers.

3/ Kay Stimson - Vice Presid.. - Dominion Voting Systems ...

https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Kay-Stimson/398298871
Recent News. Hello Denver - Security-challenged firms are gatekeepers of US elections. Dominion's
vice president of government affairs, Kay Stimson , said her company has also had independent third
parties probe its systems but would not name them...

4/ The fox guarded the henhouse this election cycle – [your]NEWS

https://yournews.com/2020/12/03/1950622/the-fox...
Dec 03, 2020 · The SCC’s executive committee members included Chairman Chris Wlaschin of Election
Systems & Software, Vice Chair Bryan Finney of Democracy Live, Kay Stimson of Dominion Voting
Systems, Ericka Haas of the Electronic Registration Information Center, and Edwin Smith of Smartmatic.
1. For 1/ above: DHS report: Hackers could meddle with election ... - Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs-report...

Nov 07, 2016 · Kay Stimson, spokeswoman for the National Association of Secretaries of State, told
FoxNews.com they are taking “every precaution and using all …
o Author: Jana Winter
2. Foreign observers ratchet up presence at US ... - Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/foreign-observers-ratchet-up-presence-at-us-poll...

Oct 25, 2016 · Whether the observer presence will lead to tensions at poll sites remains to be seen. But
Kay Stimson, spokeswoman for the National Association of Secretaries of …

1. Business Identity Theft

www.csg.org/pubs/capitolideas/may_june_2011/BusinessIdentityTheft.aspx
by Kay Stimson States are facing a new wave of crime—thieves are targeting businesses, stealing their
identities to open up phony lines of credit to illegally obtain goods and services. “This can explode quickly
and become a big problem,” said Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler, who noted his state has
registered 85 victim entities ...

5/ she laid the groundwork in 2018:

2. Interesting Times: Dominion’s Kay Stimson on Cybersecurity ...
https://editions.lib.umn.edu/electionacademy/2018/...
Dec 20, 2018 · [Image via reddit]. Dominion Voting’s Kay Stimson has a fascinating new post at the IT-
ISAC blog about “interesting times” and the role that private sector vendors play in the election
cybersecurity effort:. As we approach the end of the year, I am reminded of my family’s standard New
Year’s toast, “May you live in interesting times.”

6/ Mister Dianne Feinstein aka Richard Blum Investor in ...

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3904123/posts

Nov 09, 2020 · Kay Stimson is Chair of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Election
Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council for election industry providers.

7/ what about DHS?

1. DHS And Partners Convene First Election Infrastructure ...
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/10/14/dhs-and-partners-convene-first-election...
 Oct 14, 2017 · October 14, 2017. For Immediate Release. Office of the Press Secretary. Contact: 202-
282-8010. ATLANTA – The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) joined the Election Assistance
Commission (EAC), the National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS), and state and local
election officials from around the country today to convene the first Government Coordinating …
2.
3. 8/Sector Coordinating Councils | CISA
https://www.cisa.gov/sector-coordinating-councils
The Sector Coordinating Councils (SCCs) are self-organized and self-governed councils that
enable critical infrastructure owners and operators, their trade associations, and other industry
representatives to interact on a wide range of sector-specific strategies, policies, and activities.
The SCCs coordinate and collaborate with sector-specific agencies (SSAs) and related Government …
4.
5. 9/Election Security | Homeland Security
https://www.dhs.gov/topic/election-security
Jul 13, 2020 · Sector Coordinating Council. The mission of the Sector Coordinating Council (SCC) is
to advance the physical security, cyber security, and emergency preparedness of the nation’s
election infrastructure, in accordance with existing U.S. law. This mission will be accomplished
through voluntary actions of the infrastructure owners and operators represented in the Council, as set …
Nov 03, 2020
Immigration and Customs Enforcement | Homeland Security
Cybersecurity | Homeland Security Mar 16, 2020
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6.
7. DHS and EAC Meet with Election Industry Members to Launch ...
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/12/14/dhs-and-eac...
Dec 14, 2017 · Contact: 202-282-8010. WASHINGTON – Election industry representatives from across
the country met yesterday with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and representatives from the
Election Assistance Commission (EAC) to launch the formation of an industry-led Sector Coordinating
Council. Sector Coordinating Councils are bodies that enable critical infrastructure owners and …

BOTTOM LINE – KAY STIMSON, VP of DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS, has been

mucking around in U S ELECTIONS since at LEAST 2007.

Lets make her famous~