Busbar Sizing Calculation
Busbar Sizing Calculation
Busbar Sizing Calculation
Calculation:
De rating
Proxy Effect (K7):
Factor
1 0.82
2 0.82
3 0.82
4 0.89
5 0.95
6 0.99
7 1
Mechanical strength of the bus bars=(F1X i /12)x(1/ Modulus of inertia of a bus bar )
Results:
About Jignesh.Parmar
Jignesh Parmar has completed M.Tech (Power System Control), B.E(Electrical). He is member of
Institution of Engineers (MIE) and CEng,India. Membership No:M-1473586.He has more than 16 years
experience in Transmission -Distribution-Electrical Energy theft detection-Electrical Maintenance-
Electrical Projects (Planning-Designing-Technical Review-coordination -Execution). He is Presently
associate with one of the leading business group as a Deputy Manager at Ahmedabad,India. He has
published numbers of Technical Articles in “Electrical Mirror”, “Electrical India”, “Lighting
India”,”Smart Energy”, “Industrial Electrix”(Australian Power Publications) Magazines. He is Freelancer
Programmer of Advance Excel and design useful Excel base Electrical Programs as per IS, NEC,
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86 Responses to Panel Design & Calculate Size of Bus bar
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atmakur murali Krishna says:
August 7, 2014 at 11:06 am
Extremely useful information
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RAMACHANDRAN S says:
August 14, 2014 at 3:43 am
Thank u for this useful information.Great
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ganapathy sadayan says:
September 13, 2014 at 3:08 am
Hi, Mr. Jignesh Parmar,
The above information is really useful for us who ever doing the design and selection of busbar for
panel engineering.
Thanks for this information, kindly share electrical technical information to us.
Ganapathy.
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Ibrahim says:
October 27, 2014 at 5:46 am
thank alot for this valuable information however, I notice that you are considering derating factor for
busbar calcualtion is 0.9 then after derating current rating shall be reduced but in your calculation it
is increasing. can you please explain why it is so or it is only a typing mistake.
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P S N RAJU says:
December 21, 2015 at 11:33 am
CAN I USE HALF GRADE COPPER BUS BAR 15X100 MM FOR 2500AMPS AC 50HZ
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karan says:
November 20, 2014 at 11:51 am
thank u sir, for this information
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P.Ramesh kanna says:
November 21, 2014 at 1:33 pm
useful information
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Hitesh parikh says:
November 24, 2014 at 6:39 am
Dear sir,
Hitesh parikh
Design Engineer in MV SWGR company
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Biswanath Hazra says:
December 9, 2014 at 10:38 am
Truly useful. Thanks for sharing.
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indrajit says:
December 10, 2014 at 6:52 am
Dear Sir,
thanks for your above article, I also want the same type of calculation for Earthing bus
bar(Conductor) for electrical panel.
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Da a says:
December 11, 2014 at 1:20 pm
Thanks Sir,
I need more elaboration on the temperature rise calculation. I am not able to get the answer 30 in the
given example. Deg cel with the given formula. My T1= 40 Deg cel, I1= 4055 Amp, I2= 4000 Amp , T2=
?
: Calculated Maximum Temperature Rise (T2)=35/(Log(697/630)1.64)
Pl help,
Thx,
Da a
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Faizal Ruzley says:
December 15, 2014 at 2:00 am
Good Info,
Thanks for detail and calculation,good for RMU and CSU design.
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phaneendra kumar says:
December 16, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Thank you for your information.I am doing Air core reactor designs myself.I know the temperature
rise of the conductor.It is R&D ..I am not ge ing Economical Designs…They are going very large size
for smaller current and impedance… Will you pleas help to do learn reactor design….I am doing this
research my self from last one year..
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Vinodkumar says:
December 20, 2014 at 8:55 am
Dear Sir,
Very use ful information you have given to us. Thank you . I have one doubt . Can you please tell me
why we choose 2nos of 75X10 bus bar for each phase when one is enough for the Isc rating. Is there
anything else we have to know.
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Nani says:
December 21, 2014 at 5:34 pm
sir,
i want to learn more from u……
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Paulraj says:
January 28, 2015 at 5:46 am
Ji,
Let me know the factors reference for PVC sleeve & ma black painted busbar.
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Cha akis Zacharias says:
February 3, 2015 at 9:05 am
hi,
nice info indeed.
i’d also like to know how you chose the above bus bar size and please post the board with the bus bar
dimensions.
thanks
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rajeev says:
February 19, 2015 at 4:59 pm
thank
you sir
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mourad says:
March 8, 2015 at 3:50 pm
Thanks a lot brother
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vipin khandelwal says:
March 8, 2015 at 6:28 pm
Hello Sir,
Thanks for the information but I have one doubt . Can you please tell me why we choose 2 nos of
75X10 bus bar for each phase when one is enough for the Isc rating. Is there anything else we have to
know.
Which standard reference you have considered ?
Thanks,
Vipin
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eqsgroups says:
April 2, 2015 at 6:45 am
Dear Sir,
Please provide following information given below-
1- How to select Al Bus bar (Info of Al Bus bar Material )
2-How to compare Al and Cu Bus bar to select for same rating.
3-Any thumb rule is there to select bus bar size quickly.
4-Please provide bus bar selection chart for AL and Cu Both.
5-How to select no, of Bus bar per phase.
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Subhadeep Banerjee says:
April 3, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Thank u sir, this will help me a lot in my field of job…
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Girisha CD says:
April 25, 2015 at 4:57 am
Very Usefull document….
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ron says:
May 14, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Power distribution load centers generally have 2 methods of current supply. Source current is either
introduced at one end of the bus (top fed) with branch circuit loads distributed through taps and
over-current devices along the bus. Many smaller capacity load centers (100-225 amperes) have
current supplied through a main breaker connected to the mid-section of a bus. How is bus design
affected with a center fed approach as opposed to a top fed approach? Did your calculation assume
the top fed design approach? Thank you
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K. Sivakumar says:
May 14, 2015 at 4:20 pm
Can you refer to relevant IS/IEEE/IEC Standard that you followed for these calculations? You may
mail me at: “[email protected]”
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sandeep tawade says:
June 17, 2015 at 9:31 am
can provide bus bar size calculation for 3sec
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dinesh says:
June 24, 2015 at 4:58 am
hello sir i have 63 A mcb 24 nos out going. so what would be a main incommer.
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rahul says:
June 25, 2015 at 2:00 pm
Very thankful to you
Dear Sir,
Please provide following information given below-
1- How to select Al Bus bar (Info of Al Bus bar Material )
2-How to compare Al and Cu Bus bar to select for same rating.
3-Any thumb rule is there to select bus bar size quickly.
4-Please provide bus bar selection chart for AL and Cu Both.
5-How to select no, of Bus bar per phase.
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Zee says:
July 2, 2015 at 11:04 am
Jignesh .Parmar,
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TranMinh says:
July 8, 2015 at 2:15 pm
Someone explains to me: Number of Bus Bar Strip per Phase (K1)..What is bus bar strip
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Mahesh says:
July 9, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Please tell me what is the formula for determine MCCB maximum working temperature..?
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Mushtaq Ahmad says:
August 24, 2015 at 7:30 am
Thanks a lot for sharing such a useful article
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Nandarathana says:
August 26, 2015 at 9:27 am
Dear Sir,
Please explain why did u take 50 deg. C as ambient temperature? Is it actual ambient temperature of
se led value after temperature has risen due to heat emi ed?
Thanks
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BAMBANG Yuwono says:
November 11, 2015 at 10:58 pm
Thankyou for all your usefull refference. And 1 question Ihave small power plant with 1 set 500
kva cat,365 kva cat, n 100 kva cummin eng I want to built synchronize both of thre genset for safe
operation and load sharing….best regard Bambaang Yuwono.
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Ramesh says:
October 23, 2015 at 9:31 am
Dear Sir,
I want to design a Bus bar of rating 700V, 130A DC supply , then what is thinkness of bus bar size
when it is a copper material
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BAMBANG yu says:
November 11, 2015 at 10:52 pm
Thankyou for all your usefull refference. And 1 question Ihave small power plant with 1 set 500 kva
cat,365 kva cat, n 100 kva cummin eng I want to built synchronize both of thre genset for safe
operation and load sharing….best regard Bambaang Yuwono.
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Ravindra says:
December 17, 2015 at 10:06 am
how to select busbar as per rating changes of panel… for eg.. 1000A ACB, 2500A ACB … WHICH
SIZE OF BUSBAR
WE HAVE SELECT
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Nur.Md.Badsha says:
December 28, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Please let me know about I/d(50/63) for F1
N.M.badsha
Electrical & Electronic Engineer,KUET
Experience on power Distribution,pharmaceutical,Food & Beverage Production Machineries.
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Rajan says:
December 31, 2015 at 10:43 am
Hi – is there any reference document to substantiate the consideration of current density 1.6A/mm2
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abhinav shukla says:
January 6, 2016 at 7:23 am
thank you sir for sharing your valuable knowledge
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S.Selvam says:
January 20, 2016 at 7:31 am
Sir,
Pl.provide us design calculation for AMF Panel bus bar size – Both three phases & one neutral ,we
have three DG Set which are 500KVA each and controlled by 800A / 1600A ACB with protection
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gulshad khan says:
March 8, 2016 at 7:07 am
MD GULSHAD KHAN
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NAGA CHAITANYA VEMURI says:
March 14, 2016 at 6:02 am
can you please clarify me, for HIGH RISE Buildings , Bus bars are used instead of only using
armored cables . Is this because of economical factor or any technical advantage is there.?
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Amita says:
May 1, 2016 at 11:13 am
Tanks, it is very useful
If it is possible for you, please tell us about your standard or document reference.
Best regards.
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zillur rahman says:
May 25, 2016 at 8:19 am
can i use half grade copper bus bar for 1000amps cos formula
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Papoo Sankaran says:
May 26, 2016 at 5:47 pm
Greetings to you Mr.Jignesh Parmar.
You are doing a great service yo practicing engineers.After all, teaching is a noble way of serving the
people.
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zillur rahman says:
May 28, 2016 at 10:01 am
can iuse half grade copper bas bar 500&1000amps change over switch formula?
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SUNNY KUMAR says:
June 13, 2016 at 5:07 am
thanks for this useful information. which standards are applicable to this calculation.
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amitkumar says:
June 15, 2016 at 8:47 am
Thanks for bus bar information
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Papoo Sankaran says:
June 17, 2016 at 9:05 am
Item(6) De-rating Factor K6:
Area of Busbar is mentioned as Width x Thickness x Length.x No.of busbars. How can the product of
these three dimensions be “area”, it can be only “volume”; Please clarify.
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lohit says:
July 5, 2016 at 5:17 am
thanks for the information
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Vasu says:
July 8, 2016 at 10:41 am
you want panel board design for LT switchgear & current rating busbar calculation (copper &
Aluminium)
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Sonia says:
July 14, 2016 at 1:02 pm
According to which IEC standard is performed this calculation?
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Rohith says:
August 22, 2016 at 5:56 am
any one knows how to find bus bar size with a only amps rating. because i dont know about the bus
bar size mean, how could i find the bus bar rating with a only amps. any one know the formulas
?????
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Palwe Babasaheb says:
August 31, 2016 at 9:14 am
it will be gr8 if you provide backup sheet (All table source))for above calculations.
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D.VAMSI KRISHNA says:
September 5, 2016 at 7:06 pm
thnks for the information sir,, can you post a quick thumb rule to check the size of busbar with
respect to CB used (ex.800A MCCB/ACB etc)
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Shyam Pathak says:
October 24, 2016 at 9:34 am
I request you to please mention reference IS / IEC standard for be er understanding
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mohit jain says:
October 27, 2016 at 5:40 am
great job sir……………..thanks for the info
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NARSIMULU says:
November 21, 2016 at 9:48 am
the above mentioned explanation is based on which Forum or what?
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bhas karan says:
January 14, 2017 at 2:27 pm
Current Rating of Bus bar after De rating Factor (I1)= 0.9*630 = 567 or 697 ???
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PRITHWIRAJ GHATAK says:
October 17, 2017 at 7:35 pm
it’s a typographical error…should be
630/.9
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AHMED SAAD says:
February 20, 2017 at 2:52 pm
KINDLY PROVIDE US WITH THE RELATION BETWEEN BUS BAR SIZING AND INTERNAL
SEPARATION
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Venkatesan says:
February 21, 2017 at 10:36 am
For outdoor installation, factor k6 has to be 0.95,0.9 & 0.85. For Indoor installation with poor
ventilation, k6 to be 0.65,0.6 & 0.5.
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K THIRUMAL RAO says:
April 7, 2017 at 11:13 am
Thanks Mr. Parmar, I was looking for data related to the torque limits for the bus bar joints and its
impact on temperature rise of bus bars during normal usage. Are there any methods to deduce
temperature during full load conditions based on temperatures available during part load condition
of the system ( like we have seen temperature rise near MCCB 630 A terminals of 55deg above
ambient of 35 deg at a constant load of 300A, what would be temp at say 600A, is 55+35 = 90Deg
acceptable at 50% load )
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Rajesh says:
April 17, 2017 at 3:54 pm
Sir,in bus bar size calculation from where we get the values of alpha, Dita,and Dita t
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Arunkumar says:
April 21, 2017 at 6:35 am
Please advise from which standard the derating factors are taken
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Vijay Kumar says:
April 23, 2017 at 4:39 pm
can i share this on my personal blog ???
really useful info !!!
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Karthik says:
May 2, 2017 at 9:33 am
dear sir ,
Confirm temperature inside outdoor Metering panel when carrying full load current at an ambient of
40 Deg.C.
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ARIJIT ROY says:
May 16, 2017 at 2:56 pm
It is a very usefull calculation, which could serve my present requirement. In future pls forward the
useful eletrical calculation to my mail id. Thank you.
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ARIJIT ROY says:
May 16, 2017 at 3:05 pm
Could you help me to forward the cu bus bar-bar dimensions(wdth x thknss ) for 1000Amp, 500Amp,
300Amp, & 200Amp Bar .
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omer asif says:
June 20, 2017 at 9:25 am
how to calculate Resistivity of copper bus bar
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pavitra says:
June 28, 2017 at 2:32 pm
hi jignesh
can you mail me copy of Indal text book and Thomas & rata text book if you have.
regards
[email protected]
+91-9826719220
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SIVAKUMAR K says:
July 3, 2017 at 1:18 am
Dear Ms. Pavitra, Just now I have sent the book by mail to your above mail ID. Please
acknowledge receipt.
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sai krishna betha says:
July 3, 2017 at 1:39 pm
This gives the volume of the right, how you considered it as area?
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manoj says:
August 30, 2017 at 8:16 am
sir kindly show me the calculator of selection switch gear and cable size
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rasoul Zare says:
December 17, 2017 at 11:58 am
Dear Jignesh
This is very useful technical information which you share
Thanks
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punitha says:
January 8, 2018 at 10:23 am
Sir,
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RAJESH says:
January 11, 2018 at 5:44 pm
Hi Jignesh,
I need to know the temperature of a copper busbar and steel pad at 12.5KA ISC fault level for 2 sec. if
we know the size of bus bar or spade?
Rajesh
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Kamal Trivedi says:
January 27, 2018 at 5:42 am
Dear Jignesh,
Will You please give me t Busbar calculation for 1250 Amps, Alluminium, PMCC Panel, Permissible
Temp 45 Deg C, InsulatedHeat Shrink Sleeves, Volatge 415 V , 50 Hz, Humid Atmosphere Assam-
Noonmati.. Regards, Kamal Trivedi ([email protected]
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ranjith says:
February 18, 2018 at 10:58 am
Dear Sir,
On which standard basis, your made panel sizing and calculation. which is not specified. Kindly
clarify.
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Akhil S M says:
April 22, 2018 at 8:01 pm
Dear sir
Could u please share the derivation for that formula to calculate area of busbar as per the short
circuit capacity please.
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Joy Mukherjee says:
June 11, 2018 at 8:09 am
What will be the magnitude of current of one 1600 KVA 3 phase Transformer at its LV winding side.
The manufacturer has consider the Busbar size is 100×12 mm=1200 sq.mm.copper Bus single. what is
the Current density of the Copper and is the Busbar size sufficient for that Transformer?
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DK says:
November 17, 2018 at 12:13 pm
Hi
Could you please explain about Various Testing in ACB & Protection Relay.
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Dinesh Kumar Sarda says:
December 19, 2018 at 6:47 am
Kindly confirm the name of the standard followed by you to arrive at the formulae defined above
and how shall be the approach to calculate for DC currents.
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Vinodhkumar.R says:
December 28, 2018 at 6:03 am
Can this calculation applies for Busbar design in relays and contactors
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