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    This document provides an overview of pressure burner (PB) dot and flameout trips in gas turbine engines. It describes what causes these trips, how the trips are triggered based on burner pressure rates of change, and common troubleshooting steps to review data logs and identify root causes such as fuel valve issues, compressor surges, sensor failures or insufficient fuel pressure. Reviewing high-speed data logs and working with customer service is advised to diagnose the specific causes of trips.

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    This document provides an overview of pressure burner (PB) dot and flameout trips in gas turbine engines. It describes what causes these trips, how the trips are triggered based on burner pressure rates of change, and common troubleshooting steps to review data logs and identify root causes such as fuel valve issues, compressor surges, sensor failures or insufficient fuel pressure. Reviewing high-speed data logs and working with customer service is advised to diagnose the specific causes of trips.

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    This document provides an overview of pressure burner (PB) dot and flameout trips in gas turbine engines. It describes what causes these trips, how the trips are triggered based on burner pressure rates of change, and common troubleshooting steps to review data logs and identify root causes such as fuel valve issues, compressor surges, sensor failures or insufficient fuel pressure. Reviewing high-speed data logs and working with customer service is advised to diagnose the specific causes of trips.

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    TROUBLE0001 PB Dot & Flameout Trips PDF

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    This document provides an overview of pressure burner (PB) dot and flameout trips in gas turbine engines. It describes what causes these trips, how the trips are triggered based on burner pressure rates of change, and common troubleshooting steps to review data logs and identify root causes such as fuel valve issues, compressor surges, sensor failures or insufficient fuel pressure. Reviewing high-speed data logs and working with customer service is advised to diagnose the specific causes of trips.

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    PWPS ENGINEERING

    Troubleshooting
    PB Dot and Flameout
    Trips
    Rev. 1, February 2011
    Troubleshooting PB Dot and Flameout Trips -
    Overview
    What is PB Dot Pressure Burner (Negative)
    Derivative Over Time
    • Shutdown (trip) due to burner instability: Protects against relight
    events due to continued fuel feed when combustion is impaired
    • Burner
    B IInstability
    t bilit due
    d to:
    t
    • Over Watering
    • Compressor Surge
    • Loss of fuel (partial blowout of some/all of the nine combustion
    chambers)
    • Non
    Non- uniform flows for fuel, water or air distribution in combustor

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    Troubleshooting PB Dot and Flameout Trips -
    Overview

    How Does it Work

    Logic
    L i
    Calculation

    PT007
    0-340 psia
    p

    Time
    Milliseconds

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    Troubleshooting PB Dot and Flameout Trips -
    Overview

    How Does it Work


    • PB Dot Triggered by Burner Pressure’s Rate of Change

    • < -75 psia/sec for 49ms


    • < -108 psia/sec for 40ms
    • < -141 psia/sec for 30ms
    • < -175 p
    psia/sec for 20ms
    Yes, Burner Pressure is Sensitive to Combustion Changes

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    Troubleshooting PB Dot and Flameout Trips

    What causes PB Dots


    • Fuel Demand
    • Gas or Liquid Valve shutdown
    – Electrical – Valve/Digital Driver/RT SIO
    – Mechanical - Valve
    – Communication
    Co u ca o – RS485/Analog
    S 85/ a og
    – Controls - Demand and Feedback
    • Fuel Distribution
    • Fire Valve Closing
    • Balance
    B l off Pl
    Plantt Supply
    S l
    • Water Injection
    • Over Watering
    • Water Increase or Decrease (Rapid)
    • Water Distribution
    • Compressor Air
    • Bleeds Failed Closed at Low Power
    • Bleed scheduling reinforcing instability in deceleration schedules
    • Surge events
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    Troubleshooting PB Dot and Flameout Trips

    What causes PB Dots (cont’d)


    • Sensor (PT007) problems
    • Failed Sensor
    • Intermittent Wiring
    • Leaking Sense Line

    What is Flameout Logic

    • Protection for loss of Flame and Triggered by Fuel/air Ratio > 0.025 Below
    Idle and 0.034 Above Idle
    • Fuel Mod Valve Open
    p Too Much for a Given Air Flow ((Speed)
    p )

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    Troubleshooting PB Dot and Flameout Trips

    What Action Should be Taken after PB Dot or Flameout?


    • Review High Speed Data Logger (1cut/5msec) (*
    (*.log)
    log)
    • Automatically Saved After Trip or requested
    • Review CITECT Trends and Alarm pages
    • Trend Cut Rate (1cut/sec) May Be Too Slow
    • Contact Your Customer Service Manager
    • Include Data Logger File
    • Include in E-mail Subject Line (Project#/Unit#/Engine#) Brief Problem
    D
    Description
    i ti

    How to Retrieve Data Logger and View It


    • Files Stored At F:\inetpub\ftproot\Datalogs\
    F:\inetpub\ftproot\Datalogs\...
    • View in Control Assistant
    • Woodward Data Analysis Program

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    Troubleshooting Pbdot and Flameout Trips

    Pbdot Trip
    Pbdot Example – Fuel Mod Valve Communication Collision

    PBdot

    100 ms
    -75 psia/sec

    NH

    GF Valve Demand

    GF Valve Feedback

    EGT

    First change is GF mod valve feedback


    Other parameters react to mod valve

    Trip indication

    6pbdot.log
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    Troubleshooting PB Dot and Flameout Trips

    Pb Sense Problem
    Pb

    Only Pb Changes
    No change in NH dot or Valve Feedback
    Identified Failing Probe

    Pb dot

    NHdot

    GF Valve Feedback

    Trip indication

    172.17.1.1 - Local - Thu Nov 6 2008 112945.log

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    Troubleshooting PB Dot and Flameout Trips

    Flameout Example – Liquid Fuel SOV1001 Failure Flameout Trip

    All parameters change at same time


    No instability prior to flameout (sudden event)
    Fuel system troubleshooting identified failed SOV
    PBdot

    NHdot

    LF Valve Feedback

    EGT = 637F

    Water Flow = 0

    Trip indication

    172.17.1.1 - Local - Thu Apr 1 2004 164254.log

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    Troubleshooting Pbdot and Flameout Trips

    Flameout Example – Inlet Temperature Failure Flameout Trip

    PBdot

    NLR2

    NH

    GF Valve Feedback

    EGT

    First change is T1.7 to 288 deg F


    Other parameters react to T1.7
    T1.7

    Trip indication

    U5B_flameout_172.17.5.1 - Friday June 08 2007 161200.log

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    Troubleshooting PB Dot and Flameout Trips

    Some PB Dot and Flameout Lessons Learned


    • Insufficient Gas or Liquid Fuel Pressure
    • Liquid fuel pump distress or clutch disengagement
    • SOV1404 Leak
    • Gas or Liquid Fuel Exits To Drain
    • Bleeds Closed At Low Power
    • SB06M02 Offers Bleed Duct Temps to Help Troubleshoot
    • Water Injection System
    • Water
    W t injection
    i j ti logic
    l i revision
    i i iin process
    • Fuel Mod Valve Communication
    • Sensor Failure
    • Fuel Shut Off Valve Un
    Un-commanded
    commanded Closing (2 each for gas and liquid fuel)
    • Fire Valve Un-commanded Closure
    • Fixed With Improved Electromagnet
    • Fuel Nozzle Blockage
    g
    • Contamination (e.g. Insufficient System Flush After Repairs)

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