Can Morality Be Objective Without God?
Can Morality Be Objective Without God?
Can Morality Be Objective Without God?
Leslie Allan
This text is a transcript of Leslie Allan’s address to the Discussing Religion Respectfully Meetup Group
on Thursday 7th December, 2017 at Grace Church of Christ, Wantirna, Victoria, Australia.
Some theologians claim that if God did not exist, there would be no grounding for our
moral judgments. Our moral prescriptions, they argue, would be subject only to our
changing whim and fancy. Leslie Allan challenges the presumption that moral
objectivity consists in tapping into a realm of human-independent facts. He
endeavours to show that moral judgments are expressions of human preferences
taken from an impartial standpoint. This view, while explaining the nature of
objectivity in ethics, leaves no room for a deity. Allan concludes by showing how this
account of moral objectivity makes sense of a long-standing universalist tradition in
moral philosophy and religious thinking.
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Leslie Allan Can Morality Be Objective without God?
1. Introduction
By way of introduction, let me say a little about my background. From a very early
age, I was very interested in the sciences. My first keen interest was in astronomy, like many
young children at that age. Who could not wonder at the expanse and beauty of the
universe and all that it held? I then developed a curiosity for chemistry, spending many
hours cataloguing which chemical reacted with which other chemicals to produce
something new. I next got very interested in electronics after casually picking up a hobby
electronics magazine. I then went on to study and eventually work in electronics, it
becoming my career for the first three decades of my working life.
In my early years, I was also surrounded by people who believed strongly and
sincerely that both our earthly lives and all that exists in the celestial sphere are governed
by a superhuman force. I thought a lot about how these two views of humankind and our
place in the universe, the scientific view and the religious view, could be reconciled. In my
later teens, I had many long debates over this question with a couple of religious friends of
mine. These discussions prompted me to enrol in an undergraduate degree in philosophy
and history of religion at my local university. Even though I started with a keen interest in
the philosophy of religion, it did not take me long to develop an even bigger appetite for
two other areas of philosophical enquiry. These were moral philosophy and epistemology.
The latter is the formal name for the philosophy of knowledge.
I’ve recently now mostly retired from the business world, which has thankfully freed
up time for me to get back to my primary loves; science and philosophy. I’m using that time
now to update a number of essays I wrote in earlier times and to publish them on my
Rational Realm web site. I am also writing and publishing new material, and this talk tonight
is based on essays I’ve written more recently on the subject of moral reasoning. My time
now is also taken up with managing my local humanist organization’s web site and social
media presence.
The subtitle of tonight’s talk is Do we really need a God or religion to define for us
what is good and bad, righteous and evil? In exploring this vexed question in my talk, I want
to present to you four key ideas. Firstly, I will argue that there is an important sense in
which we objectively reason about what’s right and wrong in a way that does not refer to
God’s commands. The second idea is that ethics is neither exclusively ‘objective’ nor
‘subjective’. I want to say that it has both an important objective and subjective dimension.
Thirdly, I will propose that the central requirement for moral reasoning is that we reason
impartially; that is, without regard for a person’s identity, social position, ethnicity, gender,
etc. And finally, I want to show how the recognition of this requirement for impartiality has
a long and distinguished tradition in both moral philosophy and religious thinking.
Let’s get started. One of my interests in ethics is enquiring about what things are
good and bad and what actions are right and wrong. Is abortion ever justified? Ought we
allow people to euthanize themselves? What is a just distribution of wealth in society? The
other key area that interests me is the nature of ethics itself. When we debate these big
moral questions of our day, are we just negotiating our separate wants and interests? Or is
there some extra-human dimension to morality that underpins and validates our moral
judgments? This question about what validates our judgments is often couched as the
question of whether ethics is ‘objective’ or ‘subjective’. Some moral philosophers have
argued that without a human-independent ‘objective’ foundation, all of our moral
judgments are baseless. Let me illustrate this view using two prominent Christian
theologians.
In a world without God, there can be no objective right and wrong, only our
culturally and personally relative, subjective judgments. This means that it is
impossible to condemn war, oppression, or crime as evil. Nor can one praise
brotherhood, equality, and love as good. For in a universe without God, good and
evil do not exist—there is only the bare valueless fact of existence, and there is no
one to say you are right and I am wrong.
. . . the fatal superstition that men can create values, that a community can
choose its ‘ideology’ as men choose their clothes.
Lewis then goes on about the moral subjectivists’ moral indignation against the Axis’
powers during World War 2. He objects that (quote)
I think Craig and Lewis are right about morality requiring an ‘objective’ foundation.
Deciding what’s right and wrong is not at all like deciding which tie to wear. However,
introducing a super-human law-giver adds nothing to our capacity to make moral
judgments. Tonight, I want to offer an alternative approach. This alternative view is that
even without a God, a rule-giver outside of ourselves, there is a crucially important sense in
which we can reason about what’s right and wrong in a way that is ‘objective’.
To introduce this approach to moral reasoning, picture this scene. Three friends are
sitting around the coffee table arguing over a moral question that is very much in the
news—voluntary euthanasia. They are discussing whether people enduring unbearable pain
much of the time while suffering a terminal illness ought to be able to end their lives as they
choose.
1. The first friend, Fred, says: ‘The terminally ill ought to have that right as
people have a right to act autonomously unless the act harms someone else.’
2. The second friend, Mary, objects: ‘The terminally ill ought not as instituting
such a right will lead to abuse with some elderly coerced into ending their
lives.’
3. The third friend, John, says baldly: ‘The terminally ill should be prevented
from choosing the manner of their death.’
Fred and Mary ask John why he thinks so. After a brief pause, John replies: ‘I just like
it that way.’ Fred and Mary press John further, ‘Why do you want to prevent people from
choosing how they die?’ John pushes back, simply insisting, ‘That is just what I want.’
I want to propose that Fred and Mary are offering a moral reason for their judgment.
Their reasons are based on considerations broader than their own personal wants and
preferences. Of course, we may disagree with one or both of their justifications, but I think
it natural to say that they are advancing a moral argument.
Regarding John, however, I propose that he is not offering a moral reason for his
judgment at all. Recall that John replied, when he was pressed to support his judgment, ‘I
just like it that way.’ and ‘That is just what I want.’ By exclusively appealing to his own
personal preferences, he seems not to have engaged in the moral debate at all. He may be
advancing a prudential reason for his view. However, I think it’s natural to insist that he is
not putting forward a moral justification for his position. His stated reason is outside the
bounds of moral discourse.
4. Objectivity in Ethics
I think this scenario shows that for a reason to be a moral reason for action, we
expect it to be impartial; without appeal to the speaker’s peculiar interests or the interests
of their favoured group. We think people who give a partial or selfish reason for a moral
judgment as being conceptually confused about what constitutes a moral reason for action.
This requirement for impartiality, I want to say, is built into the very concept of morality.
Most moral philosophers down the ages have felt than morality is objective in some
sense. And here they are in agreement with the person on the street. However, in their
attempt to explain this sense of objectivity, some philosophers and most theologians have
been looking for this objectivity in the wrong place. They have been looking for it in some
mind-independent or human-independent metaphysical realm. And I think this project has
failed. Here are four prominent examples. The first two examples do not require the
existence of God, while the latter two do require his or her existence.
2. Kantian Rationalists try to derive moral rules from the demands of pure
reason. According to Immanuel Kant’s Categorical Imperative, we should act
only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it
should become a universal law without contradiction.
3. Natural Law theorists and virtue ethicists rely on a dubious teleology of life’s
evolution on earth. For them, we act morally when we act according to our
innate natures; natures that allow us to fulfil our purpose.
4. Divine Command Theorists try to identify the good and the right with God’s
preferences and commands. On this view, to say that something is ‘good’ is
just to say that ‘God approves it’.
5. Euthyphro Dilemma
The major problem with the Divine Command Theory is exposed by the Euthyphro
dilemma (pronounced as U-thee-fro). The name of this dilemma is inspired by Socrates’
question to Plato’s character, Euthyphro, in Plato’s play of the same name. In this play,
Socrates asks Euthyphro:
‘Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious? Or is it pious because it is loved
by the gods?’
[Euthyphro 10a]
In today’s language, we can express this question as ‘Does God love the good
because it is good? Or is it good because God loves it?’ In trying to answer this question,
Divine Command Theorists are placed on the horns of a dilemma, illustrated in the following
diagram:
EUTHYPHRO DILEMMA
God loves X
Morality is
1st horn BECAUSE
independent of God
it is good
X is good
Morality is
2nd horn BECAUSE
arbitrary
God loves it
First horn: If God loves the good because it is good, then, as the above diagram
illustrates, goodness is independent of God’s wishes. This option conflicts starkly with the
central premise of Divine Command Theory. On this option, William Lane Craig’s and C. S.
Lewis’ God is now done out of a job. At most, God is simply a law-transmitter and not a
law-giver.
Second horn: If the good is good because God loves it, then to say that ‘God is good’
is just to say that ‘God loves God’. This is true, but it’s trivially true. It says nothing of moral
significance. It also makes morality entirely arbitrary; a conclusion summarized above. God
could have commanded genocide or the taking of sex-slaves and then this would have been
‘good’. This divine capriciousness is what we actually find told in the Old Testament.
However, we think that what is ‘good’ and ‘right’ today was ‘good’ and ‘right’ yesterday and
will be ‘good’ and ‘right’ tomorrow. Taking this horn of the dilemma reduces Divine
Command Theory to the worst forms of subjectivism and relativism, a charge that Christian
theologians have levelled consistently at non-believers. Think back to William Lane Craig’s
and C. S. Lewis’ critique of non-theistic ethics that I quoted earlier.
Now, you could object that God cannot love one thing one day and the opposite on
another day because he or she is unchanging and is virtuous by nature. I think a couple of
problems arise with this response. Firstly, if God is unable to change his or her nature, then
it appears his or her power is limited. I can change my nature with a little effort. I can work
on myself to be a better listener or to be less of a perfectionist. If God cannot do what I can
do with a little effort, then how can we claim God to be omnipotent?
The second problem I see is this. If God finds him or herself possessing a particular
kind of immutable nature, then he or she could have had a different nature. Let’s suppose
that it just so happens that God loves charity. Then it could equally have been the case that
God had an immutable greedy nature. And in that case, today we would have been calling
greed ‘good’. So, appealing to God’s immutable nature only pushes the problem of the
arbitrariness of God’s moral injunctions one step back. If you’d like to find out more about
the Euthyphro dilemma, you can read a good introductory article on handling the dilemma
in the Wikipedia entry of the same name.
Let’s get back to the question of ‘objectivity’ in ethics. The mistake made by these
theologians and the three other kinds of moral thinkers I mentioned is their thinking that
‘objectivity’ in ethics must be contrasted with ‘subjectivity’ in the private feeling sense. They
take ‘subjectivity’ to mean being grounded in people’s personal attitudes and preferences.
Their mistake is in thinking that ethics can only be objective in the ‘knowledge’ sense; that
ethics is about human-independent facts that are there to be discovered and known.
Why is this a mistake? Because they ignore the central expressive function of moral
language. When we say that ‘charity is good’, we are not simply describing the act of charity.
We are also expressing our preference or pro-attitude to charity. Think for a moment about
someone who says, ‘Charity is good, but I don’t really care for it one way or the other.’ Or
someone who says, ‘Torturing innocent children for fun is abominably bad, but I’m not
really fussed about it.’ We think it extremely odd. We feel that they have expressed some
kind of practical contradiction. And that’s because that in saying that something is ‘good’ or
‘bad’, we are expressing our preference or aversion to it. There are many words such as this
in the English language that have this central expressive meaning. Examples of words with
emotive meaning include ‘hero’, ‘villain’, ‘chaste’, ‘whore’, ‘nigger’ and ‘patriot’.
So, when someone calls a woman a ‘whore’, they are describing her as a person who
has many sexual relations. However, the speaker is also expressing their disgust; their
con-attitude to the woman’s sexual practices. The word ‘whore’ is richly value-laden. It has
emotive meaning in addition to its descriptive meaning. The word ‘chaste’, likewise,
describes a person’s sexual activities. In this case, the lack of them. The emotive meaning in
this example is the expression of the speaker’s approval or pro-attitude to the chaste
person’s sexual status.
Another pair of words with emotive meaning is ‘hero’ and ‘coward’. Both words
describe a person’s response to danger or risk. In this example, the former expresses
approval of the person’s actions while the latter expresses disapproval. Well, the words
‘good’ and ‘bad’ and ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ have the same kind of emotive meaning, serving to
express the speaker’s approval or disapproval.
It is important to note here that in expressing our approval and disapproval when we
use moral language, we are not stating that we approve or disapprove. That would simply
be adding to the description of the thing or act we are describing a description of our
psychological state. That would be making the same kind of mistake that ‘moral
subjectivists’ make. In fact, in saying that ‘charity is good’, for example, we are expressing
our attitude in the same kind of way that when we say that ‘charity is rare’ we are
expressing our belief and not stating that we believe it to be true.
OBJECTIVE
recognize human-independent facts SUBJECTIVE
express human attitudes/preferences
However, we also know that morality is not just about what we like or personally
prefer. There is more to saying torturing children is morally abominable than just expressing
our dislike or disapproval of such torture. Our scenario with Fred, Mary and John concretely
brings this point home. The puzzle is solved, I suggest, by thinking of ‘objectivity’ in ethics as
more correctly contrasted with ‘subjectivity’, where ‘subjectivity’ is meant in the sense of
being partisan, selfish and parochial. Think of the inappropriateness of John’s response in
our scenario. Being ‘objective’ in ethics, then, is more like this:
e.g. ‘That tax policy is fair.’ e.g. ‘That tax policy benefits me.’
OBJECTIVE
impartially consider others’ interests SUBJECTIVE
hold parochial/self-serving bias
So, being ‘objective’ in our moral judgments is not about tapping into some
transcendental realm of moral facts or divine commands. It’s about being
impartial/non-partisan in our moral judgments. Conversely, when we accuse someone of
being ‘subjective’ in their moral reasoning, we are not calling them out for expressing their
preferences and attitudes. We are accusing them of basing their moral judgments on their
own selfish interests or on those of their favoured group. This, then, is how we properly
contrast objectivity in ethics with subjective preferences.
Contrasting now the two ways of viewing ethical discourse, we can say the initial
view, the view of many theists, the intuitionists, the Natural Law theorists, and so on, is
mistaken. I will put a big cross next to that view (see below). I will also now put a big tick
next to the second of our considered approaches that contrasts objectivity in ethics with
partisanship.
OBJECTIVE
recognize human-independent facts SUBJECTIVE
express human attitudes/preferences
OBJECTIVE
impartially consider others’ interests SUBJECTIVE
hold parochial/self-serving bias
Let’s go back for a moment and revisit our two theologians. William Lane Craig said,
‘In a world without God ... it is impossible to condemn war, oppression, or crime as evil.’
Well, I think it is possible. Taking the moral point of view is to take an impartial stance
towards people’s interests; to their preferences. It’s to take what the famous utilitarian and
social reformer, Henry Sidgwick, said, the ‘point of view of the universe’.
7. Objectivity as Impartiality
Now, you may think that I have misappropriated the word ‘objective’ to suit my own
philosophical position. Let me say just a few brief words on this point. All of the major
dictionaries give a central sense of the word ‘objective’ as pertaining to things external to
the mind. This is true and I accept this. However, all of the major dictionaries list a second
central meaning of the term as ‘impartial’ and ‘unbiased’. Here, I point you to the British
Dictionary, the Penguin Macquarie Dictionary and Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary. Just to
quote Merriam-Webster’s, it gives this sense of ‘objective’ as:
free from favor toward either or any side. . . . OBJECTIVE stresses a tendency to
view events or persons as apart from oneself and one’s own interest or feelings
The objective dimension, on the other hand, encapsulates the impartial nature of
morality. This dimension explains these two key aspects:
1. our appeal to reason and argument based on general principles
2. the barring of appeals to parochial interests (Think again of John in our
scenario saying, ‘I just like it that way.’)
I want to talk now about this idea of ‘impartiality’ as it has appeared throughout the
history of moral philosophy and religious conceptions of justice. This is not a new idea.
There is a strong philosophical tradition in incorporating this notion of impartiality as
essential to the nature of ethics. Here are five prominent examples:
1. David Hume’s (1711–76) Ideal Observer — For Hume, when we make moral
judgments, we are trying to stand in the shoes of a dispassionate observer,
without regard for self and our particular social group. Even though our
judgments are fundamentally based on sentiment (that is, personal feelings),
they are formulated from what he called a ‘general’ point of view.
[David Hume, A Treatise of Human Nature: book III, part III, §I; Enquiries
Concerning the Human Understanding and Concerning the Principles of
Morals: 228f] Henry Sidgwick, writing some 100 years later, called this the
‘point of view of the universe’.
In addition to the significance and influence of these five giants in moral philosophy,
a case can also be made for the pre-eminence of this concept of impartiality in the thinking
of the founders of the major religions of the world.
In many religions, God is seen as the impartial judge. Consider, for example, the
three Abrahamic religions:
1. Judaism (Ezek 18:30): ‘Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each
according to his conduct,’ declares the Lord GOD.
2. Christianity (2 Cor 5:10): For we must all appear before the judgment seat of
Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body,
whether good or bad.
3. Islam (Quran 2:281): And be conscious of the Day on which you shall be
brought back unto God, whereupon every human being shall be repaid in full
for what he has earned, and none shall be wronged.
Note how in these three religions, dispensing justice is about the nature of the deeds
done, untainted by consideration of the judged person’s particulars (e.g., gender, heritage,
ethnic origin, position in society).
The Golden Rule is another excellent example of how this requirement for
impartiality is embedded into our most central moral maxims. ‘Do unto others as you would
have them do unto you’ is the maxim expressed by all of the major religious and
non-religious world views when they are at their noblest. Going back to the most ancient of
civilizations, we can find it in:
• Ancient Egypt
• Bahá'í [Bahá'u'lláh]
Note how the maxim makes no reference to God and is intuitively compelling as a
way of acting for people of widely varying cultures and times. If you are going to expect
others to consider your interests, then treat them with the same consideration. How can
you expect any different? In dealing with others, your interests do not count for any more or
less just because of who you are. This is the principle of impartiality that is at the core of
what it means to act ethically.
9. Conclusion
• In particular, I also pointed out how Divine Command Theory is caught on the
horns of the Euthyphro dilemma.
• I then properly contrasted being ‘objective’ in ethics with its antithesis; that
is, being ‘subjective’ in the sense of being self-serving, parochial and biased.
To find out more, you are welcome to visit my www.RationalRealm.com web site,
especially the Ethics sub-section under the main section titled 'Philosophy'.
Thank you for taking the time to listen to what I had to say. Now I’m interested in
hearing what you have to say and in engaging in the discussion.
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