Dean Young
Dean Young
Dean Young
from Skid
Action Figuring
Maybe this is a guy thing but I find
pizza almost completely sustaining.
One does not have meals, one has pizza
and thus is able to work unimpeded
upon one's theories. One gunman,
definitely one gunman. Such simplicity,
however, can lead to murderous boredom.
In the last 3 days, I have rented 8 videos,
have seen explode: helicopters, satellites,
a bridge, flesh-eating puppets, heads,
hands, the White House, unclassifiable
weaponry, flora and fauna of distant worlds
and still within me some fuse burns on.
Love is not everything yet without it
one explosion is much like any other.
Monday, mine own true saboteur returns
to complicate my diet and napping
deliciously although there will be infinitely
more dishes, more fuzz. Sex isn't
everything but inside each of us is
a sort of timer, a sort of spring.
My one and only detonator comes with
many small accessories which, if she was
an army man, would be: grenades, bazookas,
flame-throwers, all in danger of being
sucked up a vacuum cleaner hose. I believe
everyone should have the opportunity
to sift through dust and hair and find
an emerald. On the whole, I am in favor
of the sense that "things are more complicated
than one at first thought" which makes one
nervous often in a good, young-in
the-fingertips way. You could be washing
your car, you could be gleaning naught
from the printed media while inside
is this flying then, gee, how did all
this fruit salad get here? But wait!
Shamanism 101
Like everyone, I wanted my animal
to be the hawk.
I thought I wanted the strength
to eat the eyes first then tear
into the fuse box of the chest
and soar away.
I needed help because I still
cowered under the shadow of my father,
a man who inspected picture tubes
five out of seven nights,
who woke to breakfast on burnt roast
except the two weeks he'd sleep
on a Jersey beach and throw me
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Peach Farm
I felt pretty stupid in brown pants,
brown jacket, shirt, shoes and tie
at the peach farm. I cast them off!
The young peaches clung to the limbs
like sag-resistant muscles.
It's a good place to have a pony. Ditto
a heartbeat, something long, a SpanishEnglish dictionary and lots of water
to remove stickiness. Bees are encouraged,
so too worms in the soil and every evening,
bats. Quadratic equations, not so much so.
Only an old dog is buried there.
I can't find the anvil
but then "Go find the anvil"
turns out to be some kind of joke
at the peach farm. The owner started paying
for the peach farm by selling a motorcycle
then selling peaches. Walking through the trees
how different from looking for a Ph.D.
Yet also not. One good thing about
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Some of the French Surrealists do it for me, as well as Tomaz Salamun, O'Hara, Lorcapoets
whose vitality reminds me of the great joy of being able to make art, even when it's about terrible
things.
What about a poet like Paul Celan?
Celan's poetry is a black hole for me. As the language of his poems becomes both more and more
fractured and compact, it feels like less and less can escape. I admire that level of psychic
concentration, but it's something I don't go to. I would pick up Keats or Hopkins before Celan, or
Emily Dickinson. Emily Dickinson gives me a headache! There's definitely a greatness there,
and something about the language is totally engagingbut finally, it doesn't sustain me.
Remember how Ashbery's "Three Poems," begins with something like, "I realized that I could
either leave everything out or put everything in"? I want to put everything in. The critiques of
representation, the critiques of manifestations of the self, the materiality of languageI look at
all that stuff as opening up opportunities for shimmer and wobble, not as a form of negation.
And, I'm constantly getting involved in meat.
Meat?
Yeah, meat, and parasols, and my cat.
To read the rest of this interview, see JUBILAT 4
EG: What role do tradition and poetic tropes play in your poems? For example, one might think
of the "Lives of" poems as in the elegiac vein (not to mention a great deal of the new book,
whose title might have something to do with this question).
DY: Traditional and poetic tropes are the very things that help us recognize poetry as poetry. I'm
not interested in trying to destroy everything that makes a poem a poem as too many writers
seem to be trying to do. Whether one approaches the conventions frontally, as in writing an ode,
or more covertly, perhaps through covert sound systems or an autobiographical trace, those
conventions are there to be reinvigorated, the challenge then is not inhabiting conventions but in
not being conventional.
EG: Your work bears undeniable traces of the avant-garde, and yet [complete as you wish]?
DY: The avant-garde has always been split between a party you want to be invited to and a party
that if you're not a member, you're damned as counter- revolutionary. Currently the avant-garde
is owned by the experimental, post l=a=n=gooey poets who fetishize novelty to the sacrifice of
true amazement, sentimentalize the fragment with assumptions of emotionality and refuse any
notion of subject. Wake me when it's over.
EG: Teaching in the Workshop, you must have a pretty good "beat" on the direction of younger
American poetry. What do you feel are the biggest challenges facing young American poets?
DY: The challenges to young poets now are the same as the challenges have always been to
poets. To write with energy, to stay true to those primary, urgent drives that first made us write
poems, to get better, to not be utterly stuck in the sap of our own time.
EG: If you could be any cartoon character, who would it be? Why?
DY: I resent the notion that I am not already a cartoon character. Wait, that didn't come out right.
EG: Do you write in the mornings or the evenings? With or without music? Longhand or directly
to the typewriter? Vodka or gin?
DY: All the above except gin, gin makes you mean and a very poor typist.
EG: I am interested in Dean Young, Inc. Who designs and promotes the Dean Young brand?
Where are its headquarters, manufacturing facilities, and where can I get free promotional
samples of Dean Young? And most importantly, is there really such a thing as Dean Young, or is
it just a marketing device?
DY: As you know, as the author of Blondie, I have many subsidiary concerns. For further
information regarding these matters, I encourage you to contact Vatican City.
EG: Do you ever resent the labels associated with your work (i.e. humor poet, American
surrealist, New York School)? Theyre all traditions you clearly work with, but then again, do
you worry about them limiting the way your work is read?
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DY: I'm sick of all of them because most of the time no one knows what they mean. I don't really
care about them limiting the way my work is read though because I hardly care at all how my
work is read.
EG: What is your idea of "beauty," either as an aesthetic guideline for writing or as a principle
for life in general?
DY: Beauty is the manifestation of form. Form is the manifestation of fatality. I guess you can
see where this is going.
EG: Given the choice of super powers, which would you chose: flight or invisibility?
DY: Well, with invisibility I could walk into the girls' locker room alright but flight I think would
have far more daily applications. Yet one can imagine being made very exhausted by flying but
never so from being invisible. This is a TOUGH question!
EG: Whats you favorite thing to cook? Why?
DY: I like to cook things that take days, many small processes. Thanksgiving dinner (always
brine the bird), fish stew (I can't spell the other names for it) starting with salmon heads, lasagna,
risotto, missionary.
EG: Whats the longest youve gone without writing? How did you feel?
DY: Are you trying to depress me?
EG: How do you think using the third person in your poems changes the way you think when
writing them? When you write, do you think of Dean as yourself, or as someone entirely
different?
DY: Considering that the person in my poems is always a shifting center of descriptive gravity,
the pronouns are rather unimportant. A switch in pronouns may allow a quick exit and scene
change which can always help the play along.
EG: If you were forced to write a novel, what would it be about?
DY: It would have to be about what could possibly force me to write a novel, perhaps an even
more extreme situation than what forces me to read a novel.
EG: One of the striking characteristics of your work, especially noticeable in Strike Anywhere, is
the co-presence of an American confessional mode and a European surrealist aesthetic. That is,
the poems are informed by a locatable "person" or "life" as much as by wild associative leaps
and humor. In what way do you consider these two projects working together? Are they at odds
with each other, or flip-sides of the same coin? Do you have to do a lot of coaxing to get them to
cooperate?
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DY: For me, what is of primary importance in a poem is the human dilemma. That pang. For
emotion to resonant it needs a subject to resonant in, a kind of chamber. The nature of that
subject is always shifting, decentered yes, but not nonexistent, more constantly re-centering as
our consciousness does whenever we move through our day, meet the various gazes. Even
rabbits have selves. I suppose that's a surrealist idea.
EG: How do you make ceviche?
DY: Soak white fish in lime juice. Drain when opaque, toss with a little olive oil, olives,
tomatoes, capers, vodka, come on help my out here.
EG: Thomas Hobbess "Leviathan": philosophical treatise, or long suicidenote from a
reallyboring guy?
DY: Who?
speak of a "third generation" and after, influence of the New York School is now so pervasive
that such a term has become almost meaningless" ("The Artists & Poets of the New York
School," accessed Sept. 28, 2008, Poets.org, http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/
prmMID/5941).
Bernadette Mayer is recommended for a woman's voice.
from Wikipedia :
"He finds the process of creation to be more important than the work itself, and that his poems
are more demonstrations than explanations. He also finds that using mangled quotes from
technical journals, as he experimented with in First Course in Turbulence, allows for a kind of
collage in which tones confront each other. Citing Andre Breton as a major influence, Young
finds Surrealism useful in understanding the imagination and removing the boundaries between
real and unreal."
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Legend
By Dean Young
Someone said lightning from a clear sky
Threaded through a house and struck
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nave. But I admired the speaker of those poems, & wanted to live like him. That guy in those
poemsDean Young or notwas a friend to me. He knew interesting stuffhe had apparently
been a med student at one time and there was one poem where he showed an open brain. Cool.
Hed had a wide variety of romantic and sexual relationships, knew something about drugs, not
to mention reggae (I mean, in Legend, thats a good analysis of the little bob-slash-groove of
reggae dancingI wanted to analyze stuff like that!). That poetic speaker also had hip, activist
friends. Those poems seemed to want the world to be a good, or at least better place. And the
speaker of those poems was possessed of this ability for vision. I wanted to absorb what I saw
like that speaker absorbed those spark-spurting workers in the girders. I was learning from those
poems how to see, I guess.
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The energy of a Young poem lies in the accumulation of zigs and zags, quips and cries, knee
jerks and caresses, and like previous collections, the poems in embryoyo are both luminous and
deceptive. More than once I have read a Dean Young poem aloud and more than once have I
realized, after baiting my audience with the promise of something hilarious, that the poem was
actually heartbreaking, This is not to say that embryoyo isnt funny, but most of the humor comes
at a price: heartbreak, lest we forget Mary Reuffles poetic impersonation entitled A Poem by
Dean Young: Dont think for a fucking instant/ that I dont have a broken heart. Even the
casual reader will note one of Youngs most ubiquitous themes is the agony love inflicts on the
heart. The hyperbolic airing of wounds is melancholic and satirical. Percy Shelley took a hit in
Skid, and in embryoyo, its Keats: Bloom rhyming with doom/ pretty much took care of Keats.
Young gets away with this mockery because he is equally seduced by the Romantic impulse. We
all know he has fallen on the thorns of life, and his poetry defends the connection between
emotion and artistic creation and honors the moment of creation as inseparable from the art itself.
Ten Inspirations portrays the artist afflicted by the void, then saved by the intensity of feeling,
at the moment of creation
You decide to make a flower.
You dont have any seeds, bees,
bat guano, engravings, pitchforks,
sunshine, scarecrows.
You have a feeling though.
Presto.
Despite the criticism that some artists mistake inspiration as art, Youngs poetry spans only a
short distance between inspiration and art, and by that I mean, his art is one of improvisation.
In the ars poetica prose poem of the collection, Leaves in a Drained Swimming Pool, Young
lays it out:
Theories about art arent art anymore than a description of an aphid is an aphid. A menu isnt a
meal. Were trying to build birds not birdhouses. Put your trust in the inexhaustible nature of the
murmur, Breton said that and know when to shut up, Im saying that. Were not equations with
hats. Nothing appears without an edge. Theres nothing worse than a poem that doesnt stop. No
one lives in a box. The heart isnt grown on a grid. The ship has sailed and the trail is shiny in the
dew. Door slam, howling in the wood, rumble strips before the toll booth. Enter: Fortinbras.
Ovipositor. Snow. Bam bam bam, lets get out of here. What I know about form couldnt fill a
thimble. What form knows about me will get me in the end.
The final lines of the above passage touch on two additional themes running through the pages of
embryoyo: mortality and form. The death of his father continues to haunt, and that loss seems to
have lead to meditations on material and abstract forms and a desire to escape linguistic
boundaries. If, as Young says, Every word is from elsewhere/ and wants to return, does his
poetry offer us, as readers, the experience of returning with them to a world undifferentiated by
language? For this reader, it comes close and thats saying a lot. Who else can be so
transcendental and so flip at the same time?
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