P1760 Nissan
P1760 Nissan
P1760 Nissan
Possible symptoms
- Engine Light ON (or Service Engine Soon Warning Light)
P1760 TOYOTA
P1760 TOYOTA - Linear Solenoid for Line Pressure
Control Circuit Malfunction
Possible causes
- Open or short in shift solenoid valve SLT circuit
- Shift solenoid valve SLT
- ECM
Symptoms
- Engine Light ON (or Service Engine Soon Warning Light)
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Diagnostic Trouble Code numbers are read by plugging a code reader or scan tool into the vehicle diagnostic connector
(usually located under the instrument panel near the steering column) that can read vehicle manufacturer enhanced or P1 c
odes (not just generic or P0 codes). The presence of a code will turn on the Check Engine Light. The light will remain on until
the code has been erased. The code number does not tell you which part has failed. It only indicates a possible fault has
been detected in the circuit, system or sensor described. Further testing is usually required to isolate the fault BEFORE
.repairs are made
For vehicle specific diagnostic charts and vehicle specific repair information, refer to a service manual, or get a subscription
.to the GM Tech Info website, or AllDataDIY
:The following is a partial listing of common General Motors specific "P1" enhanced OBD II fault codes
:The following is a partial listing of common General Motors specific "P1" enhanced OBD II fault codes
In the majority of cases this condition is caused by the Engine Control Module (the main control brain of the car).
For reasons unknown, the symptoms start to appear around 80k miles and gradually worsen over time harsh
shifting, poor gear kickdown, and abrupt starts from a stop. The symptoms can come and go, but never
disappear entirely. Driving with the symptoms can potentially lead to transmission failure, requiring the
.replacement of both the module and the transmission
Toyota offers an updated Engine Control Module for the condition which corrects the condition for most owners.
While relatively expensive, the repair is effective in alleviating the harsh shifts and preserving the life of the
.transmission
!We hope this helps any Rav4 owners or other technicians correctly identify this issue and get it resolved
P1760 2002 Nissan Altima Sedan
P1760 2002 Nissan Altima Sedan - Overrun Clutch Solenoid Valve
Possible causes
Faulty overrun clutch solenoid valve Overrun clutch solenoid valve harness is open or shorted Overrun clutch solenoid valve circuit poor electrical connection ?What does this mean
?When is the code detected
The P1760 code is detected when the Transmission Control Module (TCM) detects an improper voltage drop
.when it tries to operate the solenoid valve
Possible symptoms
Engine Light ON (or Service Engine Soon Warning Light) P1760 2002 Nissan Altima Sedan Description
The overrun clutch solenoid valve is activated by the Transmission Control Module (TCM) in response to signals
sent from the Park/Neutral Position (PNP) switch, overdrive control switch, vehicle speed and Engine Control
.Module (ECM)
Jeff Parlee
This transmission has some unique problems that can cause you to scratch your head. Add the lack of information
available from the manufacturer and your frustration level can skyrocket. Here are some common problems and
.suggestions on how to resolve them
Binding on the 1-2 shift is a common complaint with this transmission. A quick way to determine if you have a
valve body/solenoid problem or a faulty ECM is to see if you have reverse with the electrical connector
disconnected from the transmission. If you do NOT have reverse, suspect the B2 control valve stuck on or pushed
to the apply position by cross leaks or a DSL solenoid stuck open. If the transmission engages into reverse, suspect
.a faulty ECM
Here's why. The DSL solenoid, also known as the TCC solenoid, doesn't just come on for lock up. The DSL
solenoid is also energized in manual low and is used to inhibit reverse. The DSL solenoid is a normally closed
solenoid. When energized, it allows oil pressure to stroke the B2 control valve, apply the B2 clutch in manual low,
and block oil to the B2 clutch in reverse. If the DSL solenoid is stuck open in drive, the B2 clutch will apply in 1st
as it does in manual low. When the 1-2 shift occurs with the B2 clutch applied, one too many clutches are applied
and the transmission binds up. If the DSL solenoid is stuck open when reverse is selected, the B2 control valve
.will block oil to the B2 clutch, inhibiting reverse
The engine and the transmission are controlled by the ECM (Engine Control Module), more commonly known as
the PCM (Powertrain Control Module) in these units. It is not uncommon for 2001 2003 RAV4 vehicles to have
a faulty ECM. Many times the vehicle will have binding or harsh shifts, which are often be accompanied by codes
P0750, P0753, P0755, P0758, and P1760. For more information, see Toyota bulletin # TC002-06 with an issue
.date of March 3, 2006
Before you order a new ECM, be aware of the following. Keep in mind that adaptive strategy is used to control
this transmission and the learned adapts must be reset to avoid damage to the transmission after a transmission
overhaul or valve body replacement. Remember that the reset procedure will reset all of the ECM learned adapts,
not just the transmission adapts. The Toyota factory scanner is capable of resetting the ECM adapts. Resetting the
adapts should be followed by performing a re-learn procedure. Bring the transaxle to operating temperature. Next,
drive the vehicle at light steady throttle through all of the shifts and repeat until the shifts feel normal. You may
find that resetting the shift adapts will correct any binding on the shift, without having to replace the ECM. I
.would highly recommend performing the ECM reset first, before replacing the ECM
Gear
SL1
SL2
SL4
*DSL/TCC
1st
On
On
Of
2nd
Of
On
Of
3rd
Of
Of
Of
3rd TCC on
Of
Of
Of
4th
Of
Of
On
4th TCC on
Of
Of
On
On
Manual 1st
On
On
Of
On
On
The direct clutch sealing rings wear into the ring grooves in the cover and the direct drum is frequently ring
grooved. Proper clearance between the sealing ring and the ring land is .003" to .005". Direct drums with damage
where the sealing rings ride should be replaced. Do NOT
.try to salvage the drum by sanding out the damage
Another cause of pressure loss to the direct clutch is a
missing or incorrectly positioned rubber washer type seal
.between the case and the rear cover
Various shift and engagement feel concerns can be due to accumulator spring mix up. The chart below shows the
.location, color and dimensions of each accumulator spring in the case
Bore
Spring Location
Color
Free Length
Dia.
# Of Coils
Wire Dia.
C1
Case side
Red
3.555"
.727"
14.5
.075"
C3 Outer
VB side
White
3.645"
.738"
14
.117"
C3 Inner
VB side
Plain
.470"
.450"
.078"
B3 Outer
Case side
Blue
2.945"
.856"
10
.098"
B3 Inner
Case side
Green
2.370"
.625"
12
.085"
.As always, information is the key to fixing it right the first time
Found in:
o 1996-2003 Dodge Dakota 3.9L V6
o 1998-1999 Dodge Durango 3.9L V6
o 1996-2001 Dodge Ram 1500 3.9L
Found in:
o 1996-1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.2L V8
o 1998-2000 Dodge Durango 5.2L V8 (4WD (98-99) or 2WD (99-00))
Found in:
o 1996 Dodge Dakota V8 (Also 98-03 Dakota 5.9L R/T)
o 1996-2002 Dodge Ram 1500/2500/3500 V8
o 1998-2003 Dodge Durango 5.9L V8 (4WD or 2WD)
o 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9L V8 (4WD)
o Introduced in the early 1990s, it was used in trucks, vans, and Jeep Grand Cherokees
This is the classic symptom of a transmission that's got internal mechanical damage.
NOTE 1: Low transmission fluid level (usually due to a transmission fluid leak) can also
cause the transmission to slip.
This generally happens when the PCM senses an electrical problem and commands the
transmission to stay in what is known as Limp In Mode.
In Limp In Mode, the automatic transmission will not downshift or upshift at all.
The usual cause of this condition is an electrical issue, like a bad shift solenoid...
although some internal mechanical problem/damage can also cause this.
In the next couple of paragraphs, we'll explore the above symptoms more in-depth...
Let's move on to the next subheading and find out more about the specific symptoms a 42RE, 44RE, or
46RE with internal damage...
In Conclusion
Hopefully this article has given you the info you need to be able to say that the issue affecting your
automatic transmission is an electrical issue or an internal issue (that requires an overhaul).
If you'd like to share your particular experience with the rest of us (which I'll include in an update to this
article), you can use the contact form below:
Symptom:
P1765-TRANS 12 VOLT SUPPLY RELAY CTRL CIRCUIT
When Monitored and Set Condition:
P1765-TRANS 12 VOLT SUPPLY RELAY CTRL CIRCUIT
When Monitored: Continuously with the key on.
Set Condition: This code will set if the voltage detected on the Transmission Relay
Control circuit at the PCM is different than the expected voltage for 3 seconds.
POSSIBLE CAUSES
TRANSMISSION CONTROL RELAY
INTERMITTENT TRANS 12 VOLT SUPPLY RELAY
GENERATOR SOURCE CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
TRANSMISSION RELAY CONTROL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
GENERATOR SOURCE CIRCUIT OPEN
TRANSMISSION
P1765-TRANS 12 VOLT SUPPLY RELAY CTRL CIRCUIT - Continued
DTC is ''Diagnostic Trouble Code''; this is your P1765
DRB is the Chrysler Diagnostic
Scanner that is necessary for many diagnostic functions.
2 - WIPER MOTOR
4 -XXXXXCONNECTORS (3)
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To be a bit more specific, this article will explore the specific symptoms an automatic transmission displays when
its shifting issue/problem is due to an electrical fault (like a bad shift solenoid) or due to an internal/mechanical
failure.
Here are the contents of this article at a quick glance:
Let's get started...
Found in:
o 1996-2003 Dodge Dakota 3.9L V6
o 1998-1999 Dodge Durango 3.9L V6
o 1996-2001 Dodge Ram 1500 3.9L
Found in:
o 1996-1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.2L V8
o 1998-2000 Dodge Durango 5.2L V8 (4WD (98-99) or 2WD (99-00))
Found in:
o 1996 Dodge Dakota V8 (Also 98-03 Dakota 5.9L R/T)
This is the classic symptom of a transmission that's got internal mechanical damage.
NOTE 1: Low transmission fluid level (usually due to a transmission fluid leak) can also
cause the transmission to slip.
This generally happens when the PCM senses an electrical problem and commands the
transmission to stay in what is known as Limp In Mode.
In Limp In Mode, the automatic transmission will not downshift or upshift at all.
The usual cause of this condition is an electrical issue, like a bad shift solenoid...
although some internal mechanical problem/damage can also cause this.
In the next couple of paragraphs, we'll explore the above symptoms more in-depth...
1. You'll have a specific transmission diagnostic trouble code (or a Speed sensor diagnostic
trouble code).
2. The automatic transmission does not slip, no matter how many times you road test your
vehicle.
3. The 42RE, 44RE, or 46RE stays in Limp In Mode.
Let's move on to the next subheading and find out more about the specific symptoms a 42RE, 44RE, or
46RE with internal damage...
Removing the transmission oil pan to see if you have metal shavings and/or friction material sediment
on the pan is what will give you the definite proof that you have internal transmission damage (and in
need of a transmission overhaul).
In Conclusion
Hopefully this article has given you the info you need to be able to say that the issue affecting your
automatic transmission is an electrical issue or an internal issue (that requires an overhaul).
If you'd like to share your particular experience with the rest of us (which I'll include in an update to this
article), you can use the contact form below:
replace the PCM. The pcm grounds this circuit to activate the relay you changed.
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Customer Question
2003 Kia Spectra base w/ automatic transmission When in drive, I only have second gear. I can manually shift down into 1st, but when it's in drive I only
have 2nd. No overdrive light when I push the button. OBD2 codes P1693 and P1765. This car has given
me problems with loose connectors (throttle position sensor, etc.) in the past. What's my least expensive
option?
Ok, with both of these codes, the possible causes are the same - either a short to ground, open in
circuit or faulty ECM/TCM.
check for loose wiring at the ECM/TCM connectors, check for chafing or breaking of the wiring harness
where it goes thru the firewall. If all is ok, then there is only one other option - replace the ECM/TCM
P1693
Function
The Malfunction lndicator Lamp (MIL), which is located in the instrument cluster, comes on to
notify the driver that there may be a problem with the vehicle and that service is needed. Lmmediately after
the ignition switch turnson, the malfunction indicator lamp is lit to indicate that the MIL operates normally
and goes off after starting.
DTC Description
ECM sets DTC P1693 if the ECM detects that the MIL control circuit is open or shorted ground or
bettery..
Detecting Condition
Possible Cause
Item
Signal check
Contact resistance in
connectors
DTC Strategy
Enable Conditions
20 sec
2 Driving Cycles
Threshold Value
Diagnostic Time
MIL On Condition
o
P1765
o
Function
o
o
ECM(Engine Control Module) uses torque reduction signal from TCM to reduce the shift shock by
controlling ignition timing. If duty ratio is approx. 9%, ECM advances ignition timing to approx. 20
degrees and If duty ratio is approx. 90%, ECM retards ignition timing to approx. 20 degrees.
o
o
DTC Description
o
o
o
o
o
o
o
o
o
o
Detecting Condition
Possible Cause
Contact resistance in
Item
DTC
Signal check
Strategy
TCM/ECM
Enable
Conditions
Threshold
o
Value
connectors
Continuous
2 Driving Cycles
Diagnostic
o
Time
MIL On
Condition
o
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P1720 Nissan
Possible causes
Malfunction is detected when ECM detects a difference between two vehicle speed sensor signals is
out of the specified range.
Possible symptoms
The Engine Control Module (ECM) receives two vehicle speed sensor signals via the Control Area
Network (CAN) communication line. One is sent from Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) / Traction Control
System (TCS) / Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) control unit, and the other is from Transmission Control
Module (TCM). ECM uses these two signals for engine control.
Description
ECM receives two vehicle speed signals via the CAN communication line. One is sent from
ABS actuator and electric unit (control unit) via the combination meter, and the other is from
TCM (Transmission control module).
DTC Logic
NOTE: If DTC P1720 is displayed with DTC UXXXX first perform the trouble diagnosis for
DTC UXXXX. Refer to EC-1179, "DTC Logic".
If DTC P1720 is displayed with DTC P0607, first perform the trouble diagnosis for DTC
P0607. Refer to EC-1378, "DTC Logic".
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1.PRECONDITIONING
If DTC Confirmation Procedure has been previously conducted, always perform the following
before conducting the next test.
>> GO TO 2.
1. Start engine.
2. Drive vehicle at a speed of 20 km/h (12 MPH) or more for at least 5 seconds without depressing
the brake pedal.
Diagnosis Procedure
2.CHECK DTC WITH ABS ACTUATOR AND ELECTRIC UNIT (CONTROL UNIT)
Transmission Shift And Drivability Enhancements DTCs P0711, P0887, P1720, P1D98, P215C,
U0401 2014 Jeep Cherokee
SUBJECT:
o
o
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves reprogramming the Transmission Control Module (TCM) with the latest
available software followed by a drive validation.
o
o
MODELS:
2014
NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with a 2.0L Turbo Diesel engine (Sales Code
(KL)
EBT) and a 948TE 9-speed automatic transmission (Sales Code DFH or DFJ).
o
o
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
The following software enhancement, for the 948TE 9-speed transmission, is being released to
improve diagnostics for the following Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs):
The software also enables DTC P07A7 Transmission Friction Element C Stuck On to set in the
case of a dislodged C-clutch snap-ring.
o
o
DIAGNOSIS:
Using a Scan Tool (wiTECH) with the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures available in
TechCONNECT, verify all engine systems are functioning as designed. If DTCs or symptom conditions,
other than the ones listed above are present, record the issues on the repair order and repair as necessary
before proceeding further with this bulletin.
If the customer describes the symptom/condition listed above or if the technician finds the DTC,
perform the Repair Procedure.
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o
REPAIR PROCEDURE:
CAUTION: The Engine Control Module (ECM) must be updated to the latest available software at
the conclusion of this repair procedure. Refer to all applicable published service bulletins for detailed
repair procedures and labor times regarding updating the ECM software.
NOTE: Install a battery charger to ensure battery voltage does not drop below 13.2 volts. Do not
allow the charging voltage to climb above 13.5 volts during the flash process.
1. Reprogram the TCM with the latest available software. Detailed instructions for flashing control
modules using the wiTECH Diagnostic Application are available by selecting the HELP tab on the upper
portion of the wiTECH window, then HELP CONTENTS. This will open the Welcome to wiTECH Help
screen where help topics can be selected.
2. Using wiTECH, perform the TCM VIN Verification routine located in the TCM Misc
Functions menu and follow the on-screen prompts.
3. Using wiTECH, perform a PROXI Configuration Alignment routine located in the Vehicle
Preparations tab on the main vehicle view screen.
4. Clear any DTCs that may have been set in any modules due to reprogramming. The wiTECH
application will automatically present all DTCs after the flash and allow the them to be cleared.
5. Turn the ignition off, disconnect the wiTECH, open and close the door and let vehicle sit for 1
minute.NOTE: Before proceeding to the next step, verify the ECM is programmed with the latest available
software. Refer to all applicable published service bulletins for detailed repair procedures and labor times
regarding updating the ECM software.
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NOTE: Verify that the Clutch Filling Counters and Fast Filling Counters were not reset to 0 (zero)
after flashing using Wi-Tech. If they have reset then 9 Speed Adaptation Drive Learn will have to be
performed at the conclusion of this service bulletin.
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a. Start the vehicle and allow the coolant temperature to reach between 35C and 105C (95F and
221F).
b. Allow the transmission temperature to reach between 50C and 115C (122F and 239F).
d. With the vehicle located in a suitable area and traveling in a straight line, bring the vehicle to a
minimum of 48 kph (30 mph) (5th gear) and perform a 0 throttle coasting deceleration until the
transmission downshifts from 5th gear to 4th gear.
No>>> If all of the Clutch Filling Counters and Fast Filling Counters were reset to 0 (zero) after
flashing, the 9 Speed Adaptation Drive Learn must be performed. Refer to all applicable published service
bulletins regarding the 9 Speed Adaptation Drive Learn for detailed repair procedures and labor times. If
they have not reset, then no further action is required.
P1720 VSS
Description
ECM receives two vehicle speed signals via the CAN communication line. One is sent from "ABS actuator
and electric unit (control unit)" via the combination meter, and the other is from TCM (Transmission
control module). ECM uses these signals for engine control.
DTC Logic
NOTE:
o
If DTC P1720 is displayed with DTC UXXXX first perform the trouble diagnosis for DTC
UXXXX. Refer to See: U Code Charts\U0101.
If DTC P1720 is displayed with DTC P0607, first perform the trouble diagnosis for DTC P0607.
Refer to See: P0607.
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DTC CONFIRMATION PROCEDURE
1.PRECONDITIONING
If DTC Confirmation Procedure has been previously conducted, always perform the following before
conducting the next test.
Start engine.
Drive vehicle at a speed of 20 km/h (12 MPH) or more for at least 5 seconds without depressing the
brake pedal.
Diagnosis Procedure
1.CHECK DTC WITH TCM
Check DTC with TCM. Refer to See: Testing and Inspection.
Is the Inspection result normal?
YES >> GO TO 2.
NO >> Perform trouble shooting relevant to DTC indicated.
2.CHECK DTC WITH "ABS ACTUATOR AND ELECTRIC UNIT (CONTROL UNIT)"
Refer to See: Testing and Inspection.
Is the Inspection result normal?
YES >> GO TO 3.
NO >> perform trouble shooting relevant to DTC indicated.
3.CHECK COMBINATION METER FUNCTION
Refer to See: Testing and Inspection.
>> Inspection END
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P1794 OBD Trouble Code
P1794 - Kia
Type
Description
Cause
Supply voltage
DESCRIPTION
DETECTION CONDITION
POSSIBLE CAUSE
DESCRIPTION
Diagnostic Procedure
Action
Inspection
Yes
Step
No
Action
Inspection
Step
No
INSPECT GENERATOR
Inspect the generator.
No
Yes
No
Action
Inspection
Step
Action
Inspection
Step
DESCRIPTION
Keyless control module power supply circuit (+B2) voltage is 16.5 V or more for 0.5 s.
DETECTION CONDITION
POSSIBLE CAUSE
Inspection
Yes
Step
No
Action
Inspection
Step
No
No
No
P1884 CADILLAC
P1884 CADILLAC - TCC Enable/Shift Light Circuit
P1797
P1797 - Neutral Switch Circuit Malfunction
Possible symptoms
- Engine Light ON (or Service Engine Soon Warning Light)
P1797: Clutch Pedal Position Switch Or Neutral Switch Malfunction
Latest News
Automotive Electro-Mechanical Relays Types / Faults / Diagnosis
May 2013
available, easily tested and replaced, small but important component that gets generally verbally abused when it fails. Ask
me how I know.
Lets look at the types of vehicle relays and the importance of fitting the correct replacement
Typical commonly used automotive types.
Mini Relays electromechanically operated contact switches. May be 4 pin / 5 pin or 6 pin configuration.
A normally closed (NC) relay where the internal mechanical contacts are held closed when the relay is in a disconnected
state.
Micro Relays
These units are ideal, due to their size, for space restricted areas. The micro relays vary in pin configuration to the mini
relays but are still available in 4 and 5 pin with similar variations and features.
Faults/ Diagnosis/Testing.
The relay may intermittently fail under certain conditions or fail totally. This may be confused with harness or socket terminal
faults so it is important to correctly verify the fault.
Simple test equipment is available to quickly identify some circuit or relay faults and carry out time saving quick tests.
Renewing the relay and sending the vehicle on its way is not a thorough test. Unfortunately, by the time the Technician has
been called out and proceeds to carry out any tests on the vehicle the ECM has cooled down and may function normally.
Thorough testing again is required to pin point the area of concern.
Simple test equipment again may assist the Technician to carry out this task. Bridging relay socket pins for the inexperienced
or semi educated may result in damage or unrepairable damage to the fuel pump control circuit in the ECM. You may be
surprised on how many times this has occurred. Then again you may not!
P1306
P1306 - Kickdown Relay Pull In Circuit Fault
Symptoms
- Engine Light ON (or Service Engine Soon Warning Light)
P1306 Description
Kickdown Relay Pull In Circuit Fault is one of the definitions for the P1306; however your vehicle's
manufacturer may have a different definition for the P1306 code. Please check below for your specific
make.
P1306 FORD
P1306 FORD - Kickdown Relay Pull In Circuit Fault
Symptoms
- Engine Light ON (or Service Engine Soon Warning Light)
Alan
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:I made a schematic annotation to help power flow
Theo
Porsche 928 GTS midnight blue 1992
The Netherlands
Kickdown relay (two versions, this is the pre-1989, starting 1989 the relay has extra inputs)
?What is the sole purpose of kickdown switch relay and how will I know that it is malfunctioning
Bora Ertung
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Hello Bora, The kick-down switch closes a circuit to the automatic transmission and forces a
downshift to the lowest possible gear for the speed/RPM of the car. A relay is a switch, with the
"open/close" controlled by a relatively small current compared to the amount of current flowing
through the actual switch. A relay is used when it is desirable to control a large amount of current
with a small current. The kick-down switch (and wires) at the throttle are small compared to what
would be necessary to manage the solenoids in the transmission. If the kick-down relay isn't
working, you will see two possible scenarios; - if it is stuck in the open position, you get no kickdown when stomping the throttle petal to the floor - if it is stuck closed, you will always be in kickdown mode and will have a much too aggressive shift program for normal driving (always revving
.to near the redline prior to upshift) My guess is being stuck in the closed position would be rare
Rich
s with kick-down switches '928 2
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For all those auto. trans. out there. I installed a temporary switch to bypass the kickdown process
for my '85. I've read a few messages on the list that extoll the new found gitty-up that there cars
seem to have at lower speeds without having to put the pedal through the floor. Well, after I
screwed up a $10 job, (pinched wire = meltdown), I had my mechanic go through it, (now $200 job
w/wire harness, accordion conduit around the wires etc.), and it is functional. However, the only
real benefit I have found is at the higher cruising speeds where if you need to pass, with a simple
press of this button, (mine is on the left footpad), it shifts down into 3rd for that added response.
But that is it! From what I read on the list, I was expecting it to send it to 1st or 2nd for that true
"kickdown" efect. It absolutely had no benefit for freeway onramp acceleration. Am I missing
,something? Thanks
Rory Hart '85S A/T
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Dear Roy: On my previous 86 928S AT I installed a parallel kick down switch. When pressed once it
was on. To turn it of, it had to be pressed again. During autocrosses I would "set it, and forget it." I
was always in the lowest possible gear that did not exceed redline. During DE, I prefer to determine
the gear I want on my own, so it rarely was used. For street use, it was good for a few low speed
thrills, but not often. Besides my mileage was not great to begin with, and using it made it much
worse. The fact that your AT is not shifting down to the lowest gear possible may indicate there are
other problems. Try the following experiment. First, do not use the kick-down switch at all. Second,
from a standing start, place the gear selector in "2". Accelerate slowly to 25 MPH (40 KPH) and take
notice of the Tach. (You should be in 1st gear). When you get to 4,000 RPM move the selector to "3"
and back to "2" quickly. (You should now be in 2nd gear.) Continue to accelerate and at 3,000 RPM
move the selector to "3" and leave it there. (You should be in 3rd gear.) Finally, move the selector
~to "D". You should now be in 4th. Merry motoring. ~Ed
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:At 08:46 PM 7/24/01, Dennis Wilson wrote
I recently tried doing the "kickdown switch modification" as documented on many sites. Result <
was no discernable change in shifting behavior. After checking my connections and ensuring the
toggle switch is really switching the circuit (probing continuity across the foot switch connector),
I'm fairly sure there is nothing wrong with my wiring job. That leaves me to suspect faults in how
this circuit is sending control signals to the AT. I think I'm in for some under-car exploration... Has
.anyone BTDT? I'm guessing there may be some kind of relay involved
?Anyone know how/where the kickdown circuit connects to the AT <
TIA dw<
.... As usual, it would have been nice to know the specific year model, but
The automatic transmission is primarily controlled by internal hydraulic pressures. This includes the
.speed at which up shifts and downshifts occur, and the firmness of the shifts
The kickdown solenoid is only one of several devices that adjust the control pressure to change the
shifts. When the kickdown switch is made (closed), power flows from fuse #10 (on the '87) thru the
switch, then into the 30 terminal of the kickdown relay (XV on the '87), thru the normally closed
contacts of the relay, and out the 87a terminal to the kickdown solenoid mounted inside the
transmission. When the solenoid is energized, it reduces control pressure, raising the shift speed
.close to the maximum speed
The kickdown relay doesn't do what most people think that it does. The power flow from the switch
to the solenoid is thru the NORMALLY CLOSED contacts of the relay. This means that the power
normally flows thru the relay. In order to control the shift points more precisely (since the speed is
very close to engine redline), the kickdown relay receives a signal from the tachometer when
engine speed hits 5800 +/-60 RPM (USA and Japan - it's 100 RPM higher for the ROW). This signal
open the contacts in the kickdown relay, breaking the power to the kickdown solenoid. This has the
same efect as instantaneously lifting your foot from the throttle switch, causing an instant shift. As
soon as the engine speed goes back below 5800, the relay closes the contacts, lowering the control
.pressure to hold the next shift
So, the kickdown switch (and the added parallel kickdown switch) supplies power to the kickdown
solenoid only when the engine speed is below 5800 RPM. Above that speed, the kickdown relay
.opens, breaking the circuit
You can check by pulling relay XV (on the '87) and jumpering terminals 30 and 87a in the socket,
then driving the car. If there is now a diference in the shift speeds, relay XV or the contacts for it
.are bad
.I would suggest that you NOT try the full throttle shift points with the relay jumpered
Wally Plumley
Specialists 928
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I recently learned more about the kick down relay operation (even though I don't have one). It is
.not intuitive
The relay is not activated by the switch (or a bypass installed instead). Instead it is activated
.(variously over the years by engine RPM, throttle position, speed, dynamic throttle inputs
The relay terminals are normally closed and the solenoid is activated directly by the kick down
switch (or bypass) though these normally closed contacts. When the solenoid is activated the AT
.control pressure is lowered & the shift point speeds are raised
The kick down relay is activated primarily by an engine RPM signal (at high RPM points - from dash)
which causes the relay to turn of the solenoid - this is what causes the shift to happen - which itself
causes the RPM to drop and reengages the solenoid to hold the next gear until it gets to high RPM
...again
So bottom line is you will engage the solenoid almost full-time if your kick down is always
activated/bypassed. It does not seem to be a major reliability factor since I haven't seen reports of
solenoid failure and as far as I can see its just operating a pressure relief valve so is probably quite
...low power
:So in summary
.The kick down switch causes the trans to hold in gear to higher RPM/speed
.The relay momentarily breaking the connection causes the high RPM shifts to happen
.I do also think a (left) foot operated momentary switch is probably the best option to control this
Alan
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Hello Alan
I didn't realize that the relay has normally closed contacts. What I said earlier should have more
correctly stated "Looking at the circuit, the KD switch applies battery volts to the 12v side of the
."CONTACTS of the kick down relay
So as I understand it, the KD relay may be opening its contacts at some predetermined rpm but
until the KD switch is bypassed or normally activated then the KD relay can't activate the gearbox
solenoid because there are no volts available to energize it (and then allow the relay to break those
supply volts)
? Do you agree
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Yes - the KD relay is actually more of an "anti K-D" relay in most versions. Its job is only to disable
the kick-down when the trans should shift or before a min speed has been reached. This is what is
.not intuitive at all about it - it works quite opposite to the switch
Only in the GTS dynamic kick-down can the relay actually activate the solenoid itself. In that case it
still retains the disable function - its just as if there is now also a parallel kick-down switch inside
the relay. The schematics for the later relay do not show this extra contact set - but they must be
.there
Alan
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new TPS & New KD relay and a bit of additional wiring - 1 new wire between the new TPS & the
relay should get you exact GTS 94+ behavior. Actually not that hard to do electrically (but you have
...to pull the intake to swap the TPS. Its a little more complex on 88 and older
See http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=245964
Alan
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:I made a schematic annotation to help understanding the kickdown relay power flow
Electronic Transmissions
Copyright AA1Car Adapted from an article written by Larry Carley for Underhood Service magazine
Todays electronic transmissions use sensors, solenoids and relays to regulate the operation of the clutches, gears and
torque converter. On applications where these functions have not been integrated into the powertrain control module (PCM),
there is a separate transmission control module (TCM) to oversee the operation of the transmission - and that is the focus of
.this article: how TCMs and PCMs interact
Just like the PCM, the TCM needs accurate information to do its job properly. If the transmission computer receives bad
information from the transmissions own internal sensors or bad inputs from the PCM or other engine sensors, it will have an
adverse effect on how the transmission operates. It may not shift smoothly. It may shift at the wrong rpm. It may even go into
.a "limp-in" mode and remain frozen in second or third gear
Essential Information
Electronic transmissions are getting smarter all the time. Most of the current generation units have fully adaptive control
systems that "learn" the best shift points based on real-time sensor inputs and feedback. The transmission computer adapts
the shift strategy to compensate for changes in engine performance and wear in the transmission friction elements in the
clutches. By making subtle changes to the shift points and engagement, the computer tries to maintain consistent shift
.quality
The transmission computer monitors what is happening inside the transmission with various speed and gear range sensors
that tell it if the gears are shifting correctly and at what speeds. But to pick the shift points, it needs certain inputs from the
engine and PCM. The transmission computer needs to know how fast the vehicle is traveling. This information is provided by
.the vehicle speed sensor. It also needs to know engine speed (rpm) and load
On some applications, the rpm signal is hard-wired directly to the transmission computer as well as the PCM. There is a
dedicated circuit between the crankshaft position sensor and TCM to supply the rpm signal. On other applications, the rpm
.signal goes only to the PCM and the PCM forwards it to the TCM via a data bus circuit
Engine load can be determined from throttle position, intake vacuum and airflow. Depending on what type of fuel injection
system is used (speed density or airflow), engine load inputs may come from the throttle position sensor (TPS), manifold
absolute pressure sensor (MAP) and/or a vane airflow sensor (VAF) or mass airflow sensor (MAF). As with the rpm signal,
the information may be shared directly with the transmission computer or it may go through the PCM and forwarded to the
.TCM over the data bus
Because the transmission needs to know engine speed and load as well as vehicle speed to pick the right shift points, a bad
.sensor input or loss of a signal can create real problems for the transmission computer
The throttle position sensor signal takes the place of the throttle kickdown linkage on older mechanical automatics. So if the
TPS is reading high or low, or has a dead spot, it can affect transmission kickdown shifts when accelerating, as well as
normal upshifts and downshifts, too. If the TCM cannot get a good TPS signal, it may substitute a "calculated" throttle angle
provided by the PCM over the data bus. Or, if this signal is not available, it may substitute a fixed value for the TPS signal.
This will obviously affect the way it shifts (transmission typically hunts for shift points) but not necessarily cause it to go into a
.limp-in mode
A faulty throttle position sensor will not always set a fault code. The PCM has to be smart enough to figure out when the TPS
is working properly and when it is not. Its diagnostic strategies may compare the TPS signal against engine rpm, MAP signal
and/or airflow to determine if the TPS signal makes sense. If the TPS signal does not correspond to other sensor inputs that
can be used to measure engine load, the PCM may set a fault code. Then again, it might not. It all depends on the self.diagnostic strategy, how sensitive it is to faults and how easily the PCM can detect problems
Like PCMs, TCMs have the ability to self-diagnose faults and set diagnostic trouble codes that can be read with a scan tool.
So if the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) is on and the transmission is not operating properly, the fault may be in the
.transmission - or it may be in the engine. The only way to find out is to pull the code(s) to see what is going on
It is not unusual to blame some engine driveability problems on the transmission and vice versa. A torque converter that
locks up prematurely or fails to release quickly enough can cause a driveline shudder that may feel like an engine misfire or
.vibration. If the torque converter fails to release at all, it can cause the engine to buck and stall when coming to a stop
Any time you encounter a problem with an electronic automatic or find a transmission code, make sure the engine is running
properly and there are no engine codes that could affect the operation of the transmission. In other words, take care of any
.engine problems first before attempting to diagnose a transmission problem
If a vehicle has a data bus communication problem between the TCM and PCM, you probably will not be able to access any
transmission codes until the wiring problem is fixed. Possible causes include an open or short to the ground or battery in the
.PCI bus circuit, or an internal failure of any module or component that is attached to the bus
The data bus is monitored any time the ignition key is on. If no messages are received from the PCM for 10 or more
.seconds, it tells the TCM something is wrong and it sets a data bus code
If the transmission can find an engine speed signal from the crankshaft position
sensor or PCM, the transmission can be forced into the limp-in mode. The
problem should set a crank sensor circuit fault code and turn on the MIL. Possible
causes include an open or short in the crank sensor circuit, a TCM connector
problem, an open or short in the crank sensor ground circuit, or an internal fault in
.the TCM or PCM
On OBD II applications, various transmission codes are included in the "generic"
list of OBD II codes. If the transmission computer detects a problem that may
affect emissions, it will send a request over the data bus to the engine computer to turn on the MIL lamp. A code will be set in
the TCM and remain there until it is cleared or no fault is detected during 40 consecutive drive cycles. The MIL may go out
.but leave the code in memory if no fault is detected during three consecutive drive cycles
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